Antarctica’s sea ice is creeping further out in the ocean! New data from a Japanese satellite shows that sea ice surrounding the southern continent in late September reached out over 7.51 million square miles (19.47 million square kilometers).
The extent — a slight increase over 2012’s record of 7.50 million square miles (19.44 million square km) — is the largest recorded instance of Antarctica sea ice since satellite records began, NASA said. Data was recorded using the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer 2 (AMSR2) sensor on the Global Change Observation Mission 1st-Water (GCOM-W1) satellite.
“While researchers continue to study the forces driving the growth in sea ice extent, it is well understood that multiple factors—including the geography of Antarctica, the region’s winds, as well as air and ocean temperatures—all affect the ice,” NASA stated.
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Update — see below for a more detailed description of why this is an important clue that climate change IS happening.
“Geography and winds are thought to be especially important. Unlike the Arctic, where sea ice is confined in a basin, Antarctica is a continent surrounded by open ocean. Since its sea ice is unconfined, it is particularly sensitive to changes in the winds. As noted by the National Snow and Ice Data Center, some research has suggested that changes in Antarctic sea ice are caused in part by a strengthening of the westerly winds that flow unhindered in a circle above the Southern Ocean.”
For those thinking that increased sea ice means we can relax about climate change, this humorous video explains the difference between land ice (glaciers) and sea ice (which is generated from snow, rainfall and fresh water). It’s definitely worth four minutes of your time. The part about sea ice starts around 2:45.
UPDATE: Just to clarify:
Here’s what the graphic says: “The water around Antarctica is more fresh than it has been in previous years because of increased snow and rainfall as well as in increased contribution of fresh water from melting land ice. This fresh cold water is less dense than the warmer, saltier water below. Previously, that warm salty water would rise, melting the sea ice. But now, bcaus of the lighter fresh water on top, there is less mixing of the ocean’s layer and the surface stays cooler longer. “
And so, there is increased fresh water because of the melting land ice – due to climate change. There is a fundamental difference between sea ice and land ice. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass through snowfall. Antarctic sea ice is entirely different as it is ice which forms in salt water during the winter and almost entirely melts again in the summer.
Importantly, when land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably but other parts of the climate system are affected, like increased absorption of solar energy by the darker oceans.
See this article on SkepticalScience for additional information.
Source: NASA Earth Observatory
82 Replies to “Antarctic Sea Ice Takes Over More Of The Ocean Than Ever Before”
This political climate panic-hate needs to stop!
Global temperatures haven’t changed at all for over a decade and a half now. Thus it is unsurprising that the ice coverage around the poles vary randomly. BTW, isn’t ice formation of the arctic ocean dominated by complex variations in the sweet water river outflows from Siberia and Canada? Antarctica has no rivers. What does it take to make the climat panic people to realize that they have been wrong? Could anyone of them mention any event which could disprove their theory? Or is it a political religion…
You should watch Chasing Ice.
I’m sorry if my post above is perceived “political”. This site is far to good to dig itself down into the climat dispute. There’s too much dirt in that ugly business.
Don’t apologize. Until there are dairy farms in Greenland and vineyards in Scotland, Norway, and Sweden, the climate hasn’t changed enough to match the medieval climate optimum, 850CE-1250CE.
But there are many other forums where that discussion is taking place. Sad to see universetoday being dragged down into that loosing battle. Howell and Cain may have whatever political opinion they want, but it is unprofessional, and impopular (and a loosing strategy), of them to exploit this blog for that political purpose. Global warming is a political issue, not a scientific issue.
Tell the 90 percent of the ocean’s species that are wiped out due to rising temperatures that this argument is political and not scientific in nature.
Have you heard about Topex 🙂 Guess not…
Has that happened, or is in another false panic scare?
Sorry, WILL be wiped out in the future. I should have been more clear.
Put the kool aid down
I’m not drinking any, are you? I’m not saying species are currently dying off in the oceans, but they will IN THE FUTURE as ocean temperatures continue to rise. This temperature increase is factual, do some research; I don’t have the time to do it for you.
So your a fortune teller
Try naming the ones from so called global warming
Try reading my comment correctly.
How about the countless species that have disappeared due to natural occurrences throughout the life of the Earth. Things change on our living planet.
And what species are you Talking about
Global temperature – I assume you are only considering air temperature. It has not increased the past decade much, if at all. But that is taking data out of context. To put it in context and to see, for yourself, that the trend is upward, see page 27 of http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5-SPM_Approved27Sep2013.pdf
Next, since the data for air and ocean temperature is clearly averaging upward, snow cover and glacial ice is trending downward, you will need to attack the climate change scientists. With all the time you’ve spent studying the data, you obviously know better. If you understand that you don’t know better, then the scientists must be part of a conspiracy. They must be nameless, faceless people who will lie and fudge their data for, well, mysterious purposes. They don’t have children, go to movies, worry about their jobs, etc. They aren’t real people; they are just blind soldiers in the war to destroy us, our economy, our way of life.
It couldn’t possibly be that some talking heads and for-profit news outlets have found that they can increase their ratings by ranting about climate change and that they are taking advantage of their listeners very human tendency to agree since the alternative means changing how they do things.
No, of course you are right – the “political climate panic-hate needs to stop!”
The context of Tree Ring Counting
(and SKIPPING) Joe?
“Treemometers: A new scientific
“If a peer review fails in the
By Andrew Orlowski / Posted in “Science”
“A scientific scandal is
casting a shadow over a number of recent peer-reviewed climate papers.
“At least eight papers
purporting to reconstruct the historical temperature record times may need to
with significant implications for
contemporary climate studies, the basis of the IPCC’s assessments.
A number of these involve senior
at the British climate research
centre CRU at the University East Anglia.
In every case, PEER REVIEW FAILED TO
PICK UP THE ERRORS.
“At issue is the use of TREE
RINGS as a temperature proxy, or dendrochronology.
Using statistical techniques,
researchers take the ring data to
create a “reconstruction” of historical temperature anomalies.
But trees are a highly controversial
indicator of temperature, since the rings principally record CO2,
and also record humidity, rainfall,
nutrient intake and other local factors.
“Picking a temperature signal
OUT OF ALL THIS NOISE IS PROBLEMATIC, and a dendrochronology can DIFFER
SIGNIFICANTLY FROM INSTRUMENTED DATA.
In dendro jargon, this disparity is
The process of creating a raw data
set also involves a selective use of samples
–A CHOICE OPEN TO A SCIENTIST’S
“Yet none of this has stopped
paleoclimataologists from making BOLD claims using tree ring data.
“In particular, since 2000, a
large number of peer-reviewed climate papers
have incorporated data from trees at
the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.
This dataset gained favour,
CURIOUSLY SUPERSEDING A NEWER AND LARGER DATA SET FROM NEARBY.
The older Yamal trees indicated
PRONOUNCED AND DRAMATIC UPTICK in temperatures.
“How could this be?
Scientists have ensured much of the
measurement data used in the reconstructions remains a secret
–failing to fulfill procedures to
archive the raw data.
WITHOUT THE RAW DATA, OTHER
SCIENTISTS COULD NOT REPRODUCE THE RESULTS.
The most prestigious peer reviewed
journals, including ‘Nature’ and ‘Science’,
were RELUCTANT TO DEMAND THE DATA
Until now, that is.
“At the insistence of editors
of the Royal Society’s Philosophical Transactions B the data has leaked into
the open –and Yamal’s mystery is no more.
“From this we know that the
Yamal data set
USES JUST 12 TREES FROM A LARGER SET
TO PRODUCE ITS DRAMATIC RECENT TREND.
Yet many more were cored,
and A LARGER DATA SET (of 34) FROM THE VICINITY SHOWS NO DRAMATIC
and warmer temperatures in the
“In all there are 252 cores in
the CRU Yamal data set, of which ten were alive 1990.
All 12 cores selected show strong
growth since the mid-19th century.
The implication is clear: the dozen
Your source for the cut and paste tirade above appears to be the Register, which currently has on the front page articles about toilet plungers and Batman’s origins. Superb choice.
This piece’s author writes mostly articles about smart phones. Again, excellent source for your climate information,
The core of the the above claim is that climate scientists and journals are intentionally misleading us. That would, at this point, require many thousands of people to be part of a conspiracy. I work with lots of scientists every day. Many are independent and stubborn, like any cross-section of the population. They pretty much all would scream bloody murder if someone in sunglasses from the Bureau of Climate Information came in and told them what do do with their paper or data. Again, they are real people, not robots of some new world order.
Science isn’t perfect, but it is self-correcting. It is perfectly plausible that the tree ring or any other single source of data is unreliable. It very plausible that journal reviewers will not review carefully enough every paper. But when there are billions of data points gathered by thousands of scientists, from hundreds of institutions, in tens of countries and across scores of disciplines, all pointing toward a warming Earth, then the odds of all of them being wrong is very small.
What is really happening is that folks don’t like to think too deeply about this and actually read papers on it (as I have). To do so, and to admit you might be wrong, would challenge your sense of self. So you will reject my response, because you have picked your side and reconsidering is, quite literally, unthinkable. Try it. Pretend that it is you that might have been misled and that you will honestly investigate the research. I bet you can’t hold the thought in your head longer than 30 seconds before you go “bahhh….”
I don’t think there’s much disagreement about the fact that the Earth goes through cyclic changes. What is unconscionable is that people are using it to further there own agenda…and bank account.
Well spoken and thanks for the voice of reason and intelligence!
That all seems extremely complicated, controversial and uncertain, Joe_de_Loe. And would the consequences of a warming really be bad, and worth the cost of lowering of human wealth by many trillions of dollars by destroying transports and energy production? Where are the scientific proofs of that? Wouldn’t warming improve agriculture and wild life? Couldn’t we, the living, continue to gradually adapt to changes, rather than to soviet-megalomanically try to mega-pyramidically politically change the climate like the Soviet bureaucrats tried with the Aral Lake= (For sure everyone of them with the best of intentions and blind belief in more power and money to their rulers as the solution)…
The United Nations, which directs and funds the IPCC, is a majority of dictators. Or isn’t it? Do you think that fact is a “conspiracy”? They are maybe not all good persons.
“It’s not fascism when WE do it!”…
Terraforming the Earth…
Concerning consequences of global warming being better or worse for humanity in the long term, I don’t know. Would humans adapt to the changes, sure. Will it cost a lot of destruction and displacement as sea level rises? Yes. Will some species die out? Probably. Will it cost us a lot to change our energy infrastructure? Yes.. Which is worse? I don’t know and didn’t say that I did.
Rather than addressing my basic point that global warming is extremely likely to be real, you chose to address a different point of your choosing. It is hard to have an actual discussion with people who are doing that.
I’m not sure that I understand either of your last two paragraphs enough to address them. If you mean that all nations that make up the UN are not democracies, that’s true. So? The IPCC, and by extension, the UN, doesn’t control scientists who are funded by grants from about every place but the UN. The IPCC is a small subset of climate scientists from around the world, almost all of which are saying that the warming is real.
“I don’t understand it, so since it seems complicated controversial and uncertain to ME with my limited knowledge and education in this area, it must be the same for everyone as I am the blueprint example of human knowledge and understanding”.
When Lysenko got Stalins ear, all scientists had to play ball or face abyss. It was not a conspiracy on the part of the scientists. It was something they had to do in order to stay alive. Today, a young scientist who does not deliver what the funding agency wants, is not killed or sent to Siberia, but are stripped of funding and becomes marginalized. Yes, they do have kids and they worry about their jobs. That is why the are willing to play ball.
Listen to retired scientists. They have nothing or less to lose and can speak freely. You will be hardpressed to find anyone who are alarmed. That speaks volumes to me.
Thank-you for a response that is not a cut and paste, over-capitalized diatribe.I hadn’t though about this before. One reason that the hundred or so scientists that I know would not be willing to “play ball” and publish stuff they didn’t believe is that they don’t have to. They all have multiple sources of funding from government, private institutions and, occasionally, corporations. I think it must be important to keep the funding sources widely separated to avoid either the appearance, or fact, of scientists being under the control of any one group with an agenda.
That said, I don’t perceive that the scientific community is under the sinister pressure that you describe.I’d hear hallway talk, if it were. That said, what do retired climate scientists say? Do you have sources to back up that they, as a group, are “not alarmed”??
You obviously have little idea as to how scientists and research is funded.
I have a pretty good idea since I worked as a scientist myself. We were pretty good at knowing where the winds were blowing in the political community. When we applied for grants, our boss/professor reviewd (?) our applications and added the right buzzwords. Worked like a charm 🙂
Capitalism is a miserable failure and will eventually lead to the extinction of life on Earth… Distilled, it is based on greed and separating mankind from nature. Read Vandana Shiva’s book “Earth Democracy” for a clue.
There is no justice.. there’s just us!
Why would I read a book by someone with a made up Hippy name?
Sorry, this woman is from India and is a scientist and physicist.. not some stoned-out hippy. So… how long have you been a racist pig?
Argumentum ad hominem. There was nothing “racist” about the remark. I’d say the same thing to River Phoenix or Bill Least Heat Moon (in fact I may have said it to Bill . . .)
Besides anyone who would write a book called Earth Democracy is probably more interested in assuming control of the means of production than making sure people vote.
Capitalism is just us. Individuals free to cooperate mutually voluntarily. That’s the only system which has ever produced any kind of wealth. Compare that with the creationist visions of a super natural governmental power in some countries like Saudi and N.Korea.
With clues from drivel like Shiva’s book, you’ll never want for ignorance.
Or, toilet paper.
Did you read the book? I will assume that you did not.. indicating that the rest of your ideas are also based on hear-say or late nite radio.
I never read that book, and I have plenty to say. Why do only those who read a book of your choice “have something to say”?
I haven’t read Hubbard’s, Dianetics, either, but I still know he was a scam artist and his “church” is a huge fraud.
Got anything else?
Your a special kind of stupid aren’t you ?
If you love communism so much leave the country go try it for awhile then see how you like it
Your innuendo is actually quite offensive…You assume ‘either/or’ and can’t see farther than that. This speaks multitudes about your intellect.
This data is unacceptable. United Nations will require the shooting down of that satellite.
Typical… if someone disagrees with you.. shoot them.
“The polar bears are drowning” – Al Gore – democrat, says he invented the Internet.
“The polar bears will be fine.” – Freeman Dyson – smartest man never to win the Nobel
Who ya gonna believe?
No one ask you to believe me. The quotes are facts and not subject to debate.
Your facts are skewed to fit your belief system and not reality.
You are allowing your preconceived biases to cloud your judgement. Just go on an say it: you would rather trust Gore.
Let’s trust the anti-science “Christian Conservatives”, right?
Freeman Dyson, the first President of the Union of Concerned Scientists, a Conservative? My stars and garters.
Facts have a way of nibbling eco-socialist propaganda to death.
Did I mention Freeman Dyson? I have nothing but respect for his renowned work in Mathematics and Theoretical Physics and his intellect, but that doesn’t make him or anyone else an authority on the this or any other subject. Even Dyson says he hasn’t drawn any concrete opinion with regard to Climate Change. Because he tends toward the conclusion that Climate change isn’t a result of mankind’s involvement doesn’t mean this is an accepted theory. Perhaps you’d do well to research the scientific method before taking unfounded potshots at someone.
I’m a geologist/hydrologist . I’ve been following “climate change” since before it was announced that glaciation would return at any moment. The consensus was certain then, too.
Dyson’s specialty is data synthesis. If you will read what Dyson said (Google Dyson New York Times 2008) you will find he takes exception with Mann, et. al.’s use of statistics and statistical modeling. No climate change model can take known temperatures from, say, 100 years ago and produce anything resembling the current climate. Dyson asks reasonably how the modelers can expect anyone to accept their model to accurately predict the climate of 100 years hence.
There are other issues as well, not the least of which is warmer climates have always been kinder to life, yet what do the propagandists say? The world will end. That is what the press reports and that is what the gullible, and the terminally Low Information Voter, accept.
The climate changes. It’s what climates do. 11,500 years ago southern England went from being heavily forested to tundra in a time less than 100 years. From 850CE – 1250 CE, parts of Greenland supported dairy farms, and commercial grape vineyards were farmed in Scotland. It has been too cold, is still too cold, for those activities to exist today.
I’m not saying we should continue an open ended experiment of burning hydrocarbons but you do have to realize something quite important: All the hydrocarbons in the crust, were once in the air as CO2. Plants extracted the CO2 and were buried. Mostly they turned to coal. Coral extracted CO2 for sea water and turned it into calcium carbonate, whereby they were buried and changed to limestone. Animals ate plants died and were buried turning to petroleum products. Carbon is cooked in subduction zones and simple, carbon rich gases are created, methane and ethane. Volcanoes, black smokers, white smokers, tar pits and petroleum seeps, release orders of magnitude more “greenhouse” gases than all of mankind’s activities combined. The amounts are so vastly different they cannot be compared.
These are some of the reasons men like Dyson, often scientists whose tucker isn’t dependent upon government research grants, “tends toward the conclusion that Climate change isn’t a result of mankind’s involvement”.
This is well written and I will up vote you for it. Dyson’s critiques are well thought out, especially the one on “heresy” (reference 1). But you come to erroneous conclusions. I will deal with your points in turn.
First, Dyson does not deny that global warming exists or is partially anthrogenic in origin, He objects to climate models that predict a specific temperature rise, arguing that advances in technology will so alter things that the models are wrong. He may well turn out to be correct, time will tell. But that does not negate the fact that the warming exists.It does not change the fact that it is reasonable to assume that it is more likely than not, that the warming will continue in the short term. Obviously such extrapolations become less reliable and ultimately meaningless (without competent models) going farther in the future,
You state that “before it was determined that glaciation would return at any moment. The consensus was certain then, too”. This is an ignorato elenchi argument – The fact that some scientists were wrong before does not prove that others are wrong now.
You argue that “climate changes. It is what climates do.” This is certainly true, and you have the climate scientists, among others, to thank for this knowledge. But it is a false attribution – most of the papers as written are not denying that the climate can and does change. They are saying that greenhouse gasses and temperatures are increasing fast now (2,3)- some are saying faster than at any time in the geological record, Yes, climate changes. That does not mean that human activity cannot also affect the climate.
You argue that there have been warmer times, even in human history. This appears to be true, But it does not mean that rising temperatures now will not have costly implications for society. I am agnostic on whether it is more costly to let the changes hit and deal with them, or to attempt to combat the warming by switching fuel sources, or, as Dyson suggests, bioengineering carbon-sink trees (and then not cutting them down) or dumping carbon into American topsoil (and not extracting it via agriculture).
Finally you argue that natural sources release orders of magnitude more greenhouse gasses than manmade sources, For what gas? Not for the halocarbons, for example. I will assume that you mean CO2. Yes, the release of natural CO2 is about 30 gigaTons vs 750 for natural sources (4). But the natural environment is also absorbing about 750 GT of CO2.. The rest is building up in the atmosphere and oceans. That is why we are around 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere now which compares with < 300 ppm during major warm spells of the past (2).
Seriously. Who do you trust? Gore or Dyson?
I trust neither, I like to think for myself. I certainly know which way you lean….
Lying dog of a Politician or socially aware scientist with no political ax to grind? The choice should be simple enough.
At least a rational being would be inclined to keep an open mind. And look at the sources of the propaganda while finding data points that are often, conveniently misrepresented (Mann’s hockey stick) or ignored (medieval climate optimum, Roman climate optimum).
GW? Or AGW?
re: the Antarctic,
the most significant thing about AGW
is man’s reduction of the Ozone Hole-expanding CFC’s
…which have exacerbated LOCAL Warming.
LOCAL Cooling is the only function
on GW Ozone Holes SERVE.
Also, for geeks who missed the memo
published in 9/2012
“Geophysical Journal” by Richard P. Allan:
Satellites have OBSERVED
net-NEGATIVE cloud reinforcement of radiative warming,
(outside the Tropics) which means
your 20-Century ASSumptions
were not just wrong
but diametrically opposed to Reality.
I looked up, “Interglacial (melting) Era’s”.
It seems we’re in one
–called the Holocene Era–
but it is ACTUALLY straddled by
a (paleo-)current Ice Age of 2-3 million years!
This 11,400-year-old “melting” Era
describes what’s kept the Ice Age at bay and
Global Temperatures from AVERAGING -18°C.!
So, it would be FAR MORE REMARKABLE
since Nature has thrown this delightful,
11,400 year (so far) gala
INTER-(get it?)-GLACIAL (melting) Era,
if the Poles did NOT thaw!
OF COURSE, in the latest 15 year GW Pause,
we saw some of the hottest years ever (“recorded” 😉
We’ve been waiting 11,400 years for this party to “Warm up!”
Who even knew there were Ozone Holes
before the beginning of the Meteorological Space Age?
Yet modelers had conclusions? A dire forecast?
Which became worshipped as a Consensus View?
(Think, The (Luminiferous) Aether!)
After a single decade?
O’ Vanity! Thou art a strumpet!
Ice Ages are bad for babies,
plants and other LIVING things.
Kinda’ ruins the whole effect…
unless frozen babies SERVE your political agenda.
Superb cut and paste job. It fits most of your unintelligible post.
I loved this Comment, found in “The Telegraph”
(a conservative British online news outlet)
9/29/13 (the weekend IPCC-AR5 was SO desperately flogged)
I’ve reprinted this from a Commenter entitled, “braqueish”:
It really is time to reclaim the “environmental” movement from this
The over-emphasis of carbon dioxide as a “problem” has led to
the extraordinary corruption of a well-meaning human enterprise.
If you strip out the meme that human beings are a cancer upon the planet and
that the vastness of our available resources are fragile and endangered there’s nothing left of this discourse.
The surface temperature hasn’t increased and
is more likely to drop dangerously than surge catastrophically.
Cold kills a lot more people, plants and animals than warmth.
It’s possible to be against wasteful energy use but for protecting our elderly
people from hypothermia.
The entire Millibandian thesis is based upon discredited science.
In fact every major “environmental” campaign over the last two/three
decades has had a disastrous effect upon the poorest and most vulnerable people
while having no evidential impact upon degradation of the environment.
Take electric cars for example.
Lithium ion batteries, rare earth inducers — both horribly polluting.
massive concrete bases sunk into the earth, rare earth (again) generator units,
avian and bat deaths by the thousand.
But the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds
not only supports these but benefits financially from them.
It argues that global warming will harm birds more than localised destruction
of raptors and seabirds despite the fact that birds, of all creatures, are
Current species evolved before the place where I’m writing this
was crushed under three kilometres of ice.
They managed to survive that and are back in force.
The World Wildlife Fund
— promoter of especially photogenic animals (e.g. pandas and snow leopards) —
benefits financially from bogus carbon “offset” schemes.
This where people like Al Gore can mitigate their energy intensive mansions
and jet-set lifestyles by buying up options from the clearance of rain forest to produce biofuels.
This is not only environmentally insane but positively mediaeval.
Think Papal Indulgences.
Biofuels are perhaps the most incredibly abusive of “green” policies
since they are neither carbon neutral nor anything other than
a bizarre corruption of the worldwide food market.
People are dying of starvation from their effect in their tens of thousands,
just as they continue to die from “environmental” campaigns
against effective anti-malarial insecticides
and genetically modified “golden rice”.
Environmental activists love trees.
So why are they so keen to have American woodlands clear logged
(i.e. smashed down by bulldozers) to provide “sustainable” woodchips
for British power stations?
Especially since the conversion of our power plants
makes them considerably less efficient.
The emphasis on carbon dioxide has turned the environmental movement inside out.
It benefits carbon traders, big oil
(yes, they are major funders of the “environmental” movement — ask Dana Nuccitelli),
corporate raiders, subsidy farmers (like the Prime Minister’s father in law),
and corporate “green” publicity machines.
It disbenefits the poorest and most vulnerable of people,
the environment, and any sense of common decency.
The “scientists” who provide a fig-leaf of decency for this abomination
are a disgrace to their profession and to humanity.
Much said above
does not “translate” for US…
which makes that which does,
SO MUCH MORE POIGNANT.
Thanks to the ever-escalating
theoretical-GIGO-modeled gymnastics of
a bevy of Kyoto-spawned entities, like UN-IPCC and
so-called Consensus View “institutional” derivatives,
has reached the level of Religious Fanaticism.
Yet, the disproven, discredited, and yet, utterly shameless
“CATASTROPHIC!” Anthropogene Global Warming-meme
does not care about such petty concerns as
Truth or FACTS, (which do not Confirm Bias)!
Selfish memes only care about one thing,
and will throw FAITHFUL Followers, by droves,
under whatever bus to accomplish
it’s singular, AUTOMATIC mission:
So we see Religious Fanatics,
like this ELF/ALF defendant
in Portland, OR, U.S. Court
finally pleading guilty.
It is just a question of time before
some other Fanatic detonates,
feeling their Religion has been
“cornered” by incontrovertible facts
–What “CATASTROPHE!” ?– Globally, since 1998:
Pop. +18%, CO2 +6.5% (at 394 ppm); RUNAWAY Temp. CHANGE Anomaly, AWOL.
Since 1958: Pop. +145%, CO2 +27%; “CATASTROPHIC!” Warming, still AWOL.
Ergo, “Mann-made” CO2 ? CAGWarming;
plain to anyone willing to research
non-Fox channels for information
and “do the Math.”
IF their premise were correct
and had been from 1958-to-date,
the CO2 would read 760 ppm ALREADY.
Their premise is utterly BOGUS.
***IF the UN SO-fears “Mann-Made” CO2,
–INHERENT IN IT CONSENSUS VIEW BELIEF–
why is Red China the only nation doing something
MEANINGFUL about the “FUTURE-Climate” (an oxymoron;
“climate” being LONG-term Weather “HISTORY”) Change:
Addressing GHPE (Global Human Population Explosion!)
***IF you’re a “True Believer”
the math SHOULD BE inescapable:
(Accelerating) More Man = More (missing) CO2 = More (AWOL) CAGW!
But the CAGW-meme doesn’t care about CO2
Or any “future” not immediately inherent
in it’s mindless, solitary goal:
How SOON may we expect
“new” Domestic Terrorists
to appear in our headlines?
Someone listening to the
voices in their head…
detonating their bomb-vest
in the Heartland dining hall,
while shrieking the
Enviro-Zealot’s equivalent of
I feel genuinely sorry for the Japanese.
They’ve windmill-tilted against faux hobgoblins
and, in the process, introduced REAL hobgoblins
such as Fukushima, et al.
The national loss of face is inestimable to US.
This website is rapidly losing credibility. Reputable science forums will not allow man-made climate change propaganda (from either side) anywhere near their forums. That is how ridiculous it is.
Stop with the politichate and get back to science.
What a crock! ‘Reputable science forums…’ You must be reading your ‘scientific’ posts from the walls of public restrooms? What ‘reputable science forums’ are you referring to? Name a few… please. I want to back check your sources.
Nothing to “huh?” about. As long as the facts cannot be agreed upon, and political stance guides one’s words, a science website should not engage in the climate change discussion.
Just read through the comments below and had to laugh to keep from crying. The AGW crowd obviously don’t have a clue. They deny the MOUNTAINS of data pouring in about the ongoing and increasing effects of global warming. These insipid propagandists are obviously on someone’s payroll or otherwise seriously invested in the destruction of the biosphere… Sad ~@; P
*This* is why any website trying to be scientifically legitimate should not engage in climate-speak.
It is too late to deal with the warming planet in the short term. We need strategies to deal with what will happen in the short term and strategies to deal with the long term.
Rule #1. Don’t shit in your own nest
Rule #2. Exterminate panic merchants and those that make a living from it.
Rule #3. Be skeptical but not stupid.
If all else fails, migrate to Mars.
So… the IPCC told us that the ice in both poles should decrease, and when it decreased in the Arctic it was “global warming”, but when it increases in the antarctic (as it has been since 1979 at least) it is “something else”. Of course, when it increases again in the Arctic (a 60% in 2013) there is no mention of it… and the same silence over the global temperatures stalled for the last 17 years (and falling since 2002).
Anthropogenic global warming (then global warming, then climate change, now climate disrupt) is just a fraudulent scam.
It’s a revenue venue. Ponzi scheme. Ditto Rizzo!
The US is the last outpost for AGW believers…
Yes communism has snuffed it out all over the world
I, too, am disgusted with this site’s penchant to include politics into its content. Deal with fact and fact only, or lose my subscription.
So, you have no interest in fact?
For those thinking that increased sea ice means we can relax about climate change, this humorous video explains the difference between land ice (glaciers) and sea ice (which is generated from snow, rainfall and fresh water).”
Since when is humor a substitute for facts?
What is wrong with this country, taking our knowledge from comedians?
No wonder we are doing so poorly in science compared to other nations.
“It’s definitely worth four minutes of your time.”
No, it’s not.
Some one need to look at the possibility the reason the ice is growing in Antarctica is because the water is CO 2 saturated and at methane hydrate dissociation as the source of global warming.
I believe global warming is being brought to us from the deep earth, radiant heat released to water, when methane hydrates dissociate, which they are doing in massive numbers both naturally and with help from man by the act of trying to harvest hydrates.
Methane oxidizes to CO2. By 2010 methane had increased by 150% to CO2’s 35%.
We should look at methane and other sources of added radiation to the earth as the source of both global warming and ultimately life threatening global cooling, which I believe is around the corner.
Population is not the problem Given a environment with normal integrity there can be no such thing as over fishing.
Fish have been around a lot longer than humans, start having anywhere from 200 to thousands of babies at age one, where females have an average 2.5 children starting at an average age of 18. We need to start listening to scientists who say it is the chemical condition of the water that is to blame.
So you think that a site called Universe Today should not report on data coming from a satellite in orbit?
And you think that everyone must agree to every theory that is published here? I guess that Universe Today better not publish anything concerning the Earth being round because there are still doubters, It had better stop reporting about galaxies being millions of light-years away because some believe the universe is only a few thousand years old.
Science consists of proposing theories, and then gathering evidence that supports or refutes those theories. This web site, and its forum, discuss those theories, including occasionally climate change. The fact that climate change is politicized does not change the evidence, or that it is science, or that data gathered from space is relevant to a site about space.
Reading through your comments, you also seem to think that we should not be talking about climate change in this forum, suggesting that Universe Today preclude the discussion. That would be a form of suppression, the very thing some of you think is affecting the science that you do not agree with.
When conjecture and politicking is presented as scientific fact, science is betrayed. I’ve got no problem with people speaking their minds. I guess I’ve always seen UT as a reputable source of scientific info. Spouting AGW drivel will make UT nothing but another hack site.
The facts are al gore is a scam artist
What a load of nonsense. Take your greenwashing religion somewhere else.
I like the smug vocal patterns/tones of the video. This must mean AGW is right. I can’t say how disturbed I am that UT allows this drivel. Everyone wants a clean planet, but when used as a weapon to enrich political friends and destroy political enemies, it is to the extreme of the “Wrong Side of History” spectrum. UT should follow the example of other reputable science rags and stay FAR away from the AGW argument.
The idea that climate doesn’t change is ludicrous it has always changed. More to do with orbit than ANY other factor.
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