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No Alien Visits or UFO Coverups, White House Says

5 Nov , 2011

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The White House has responded to two petitions asking the US government to formally acknowledge that aliens have visited Earth and to disclose to any intentional withholding of government interactions with extraterrestrial beings. “The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race,” said Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy, on the WhiteHouse.gov website. “In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.”

5,387 people had signed the petition for immediately disclosing the government’s knowledge of and communications with extraterrestrial beings, and 12,078 signed the request for a formal acknowledgement from the White House that extraterrestrials have been engaging the human race.

“Hundreds of military and government agency witnesses have come forward with testimony confirming this extraterrestrial presence,” the second petition states. “Opinion polls now indicate more than 50% of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence and more than 80% believe the government is not telling the truth about this phenomenon. The people have a right to know. The people can handle the truth.”

These petitions come from an Obama Administration initiative called ‘We the People’ which has White House staffers respond and consider taking action on any issue that receives at least 25,000 online signatures. Regarding these two petitions, the White House promised to respond if the petitions got 17,000 or more signatures by Oct. 22.

Larson stressed that the facts show that there is no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on Earth. He pointed out that even though many scientists have come to the conclusion that the odds of life somewhere else in the Universe are fairly high, the chance that any of them are making contact with humans are extremely small, given the distances involved.

But that doesn’t mean we aren’t searching, there is just no evidence yet. Larson mentioned SETI (correctly noting that this at first was a NASA effort, but is now funded privately) keeping an “ear” out for signals from any intelligent extraterrestrials, with none found so far. He also added that the Kepler spacecraft is searching for Earth-like planets in the habitable zones around other stars, and that the Curiosity rover will launch to Mars this month to “assess what the Martian environment was like in the past to see if it could have harbored life.”

Regarding any evidence for alien life, all anyone has now is “statistics and speculation,” said Larson. “The fact is we have no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.”

Whether or not this will appease or satisfy any conspiracy theorists or UFO believers is yet to be seen, but it is gratifying to see the White House respond in such a no-nonsense manner.

UPDATE: The Paradigm Research Group, one of the organizations sponsoring the petitions, has issued a statement saying, “As expected it was written by a low level staffer from the Office of Science and Technology Policy – research assistant Phil Larson. The response was unacceptable.”

See the petitions and the response at the WhiteHouse.gov website.

Hat Tip: NASA Watch

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Lights in the Dark
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November 5, 2011 7:20 PM

Nice to see them actually respond to this, but I have a feeling it will be like trying to point something out to a cat.

They just stare at your finger.

x jeremy jarratt
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x jeremy jarratt
November 5, 2011 8:12 PM

*blink*

Rubi
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Rubi
November 7, 2011 5:28 PM

– Blink Blink –

morphethereal
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morphethereal
November 5, 2011 7:39 PM

theres no evidence of aliens because all ufo technology is government technology

Denver
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Denver
November 5, 2011 10:33 PM

Which is why we still fly to orbit, riding disintegrating totem poles.

Lights in the Dark
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November 6, 2011 4:01 AM

Do people really have that little faith in humanity to think we cannot possibly have done the things we have on our own? Tell that to the 450,000 people who worked on the Apollo missions in the 60s.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 6, 2011 2:19 PM
After some years of believing in ‘UFOs’. I concluded that a UFO, an unidentified ‘flying’ object, was just that… unidentified. There was too some doubt in my mind that many of the reported objects were also ‘flying’; and not just natural objects bouncing off Earth’s atmosphere or ‘objects’ above terrestrial areas of leaking gases. What of alien technology? The great UFO misconception began decades ago with a sighting of objects that moved through the air as if a disc would if you skipped it across water. On this early sighting, the term flying saucers was then penned by a reporter. This then defined the shape of circular objects since that date and the UFO myth, for that’s all… Read more »
everyperson
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November 6, 2011 7:01 PM

But how do you explain the large numbers of documented (globally) military closer encounters where jets are scrambled and then follow the vehicles as best they can until finally they just cannot keep up withe their speeds and manoeverability?.

Tom Mars
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Tom Mars
November 6, 2011 11:11 PM

I don’t know where (if anywhere) you get your facts.

Kenneth Arnold was not an “amateur pilot”, he was an experienced search and rescue pilot with more than 9,000 total flying hours.

The crafts he (allegedly) saw were never identified. The air force later claimed that he saw a mirage.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 12:53 AM

Nice try. Now try again, open http://www.theyfly.com, and try to be brave enough to accept a new paradigm. Not so easy unless one is open minded and intelligent.

pjw
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pjw
November 7, 2011 10:00 AM

And has $6.99 to download each video.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 1:22 AM
I just can’t believe how so many people in this 21st Century still have their heads firmly stuck in the sand! Alien visitation is without doubt a REALITY. Get used to it! That is my considered conclusion after more than 50 years of careful study. For starters, any doubters please sit down and watch the Disclosure Project video. Search on Google. See a large group of Intelligence community and military people relating their incredible experiences to the National Press Club in Washington. You won’t fail to notice how genuine these men and women are. I suggest skeptics take the time and effort to do some research on the astronomical number of amazing reports over the past 60 or… Read more »
Armagh Planetarium
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November 7, 2011 11:08 AM

So how come amateur astronomers virtually never report UFOs?

Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 7, 2011 10:21 PM

[sarcasm]
BECAUSE THE MEN IN BLACK HAVE ERASED THEIR MINDS WITH THE “NEURALYZER” DEVICE!!!1!1!
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 6, 2011 3:42 PM

Heck, some people are convinced that things like the Pyramids and Stonehenge ‘could not have been done by humans…’

Such people seriously underestimate how clever their own species can be.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 12:51 AM

Have any of these Aplloists ever removed their blinkers for a moment and opened http://www.theyfly.com There we even have photos of US/USSR modules docking, taken by IFOs.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 12:46 AM

Yes quite so..except…www,theyfly.com. Sorry, either you are misinformed or a misinformer.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 2:00 AM

Well tomorrow night there will be millions out watching for a UFO since we really don’t know exictly what the composition of the asteroid passing, “IF”? the earth is made of so the delusional is who? the Ufologists or the religoligest?

everyperson
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November 5, 2011 8:41 PM
This is a break through moment. Let’s not dismiss this Whitehouse response. Only 3 years ago (pre-Kepler Mission) we had no idea if exoplanets were common or extremely rare. Look at the change in our knowledge and consciousness. Young Mr. Larson forgets to mention that NASA is now close to confirming life in our own solar system: on Mars, and even on Europa, the large moon of Jupiter. He also fails to mention that Scientists now believe that life can survive inter-planetary “travel” by surviving on meteorites. The recent discovery of a disk of water around a newly forming star, helps us understand why water is likely common in newly emerging solar systems. It is now considered highly… Read more »
Olaf
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Olaf
November 5, 2011 10:16 PM

Finding other planets does not automatically mean that UFO’s are aliens visiting us.
UFO’s are UFO’s until we discover what they really were, and so far that does not mean that they are little green men.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 1:07 AM

Olaf2. Please read my comment above. You will be surprised what is going on when you look outside the Govt.s highly controlled box.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 5, 2011 10:17 PM
Exoplanets are common — yes, but completely irrelevant to the petition. NASA close to confirming life — no, not for a long, long time yet, if ever. We don’t yet have any credible evidence that life exists elsewhere in the Solar System. Not Mars, not Europa, and not Enceladus. All we have is evidence of water, and possibly liquid water in these places, which increases the chances that life might exist there, but that is a completely different kettle of fish. As for the rest — all of it is unsubstantiated nonsense from people who are either out for their 15 minutes of fame or to make a fast buck from overly-credulous people. The government — no government… Read more »
everyperson
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November 6, 2011 12:50 AM
“The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race,” said Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science & Technology” : however this does not represent the reality on November 2011. 1) Evidence of Life? : In fact there is a growing catalog of evidence of life : a) the MARS meteorite – ref ETA 79001 ogranic matter found in vein of water deposited minerals at centre of meteorite b) one of the three experiments conducted by Viking Lander 1 in 1976 2) Evidence that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race?… Read more »
Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 1:15 AM
1) Mars meteorite & Viking lander experiment — both highly disputed claims that many scientists would argue have more prosaic explanations. I would love them to be true, but at this point, they are scant evidence for any extant life on the surface of Mars. 2) Corso was a fabulist. His claims that all kinds of modern technologies are based on alien tech are ridiculous. They all have well documented Earthly pedigrees that anyone can research if they want to spend the time. 3) Exoplanet research has really only confirmed what was already suspected at this point — that there are a lot of them. It’s extremely important research, of course, and a necessary step toward discovering just… Read more »
everyperson
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November 6, 2011 1:52 AM
I appreciate the effort you have made to respond. I like your thoughts and positions as they do give me much food for thought. I am not sure how much knowledge you have on some of these subjects. For example you mention “no astronomer has even taken a clear photograph of an alien craft?” . You might not know that it is much more likely that someone on the ground with their iPhone would “see” a UFO and capture a clear image. The telescope has such a narrow field of view. The number of sightings captured on SmartPhones is accelerating by the month. Now lets look at the UK reports : Nick Pope told The Huffington Post. ‘There’s… Read more »
Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 4:15 AM
I appreciate the effort you have made to respond. I like your thoughts and positions as they do give me much food for thought. I am not sure how much knowledge you have on some of these subjects. For example you mention “no astronomer has even taken a clear photograph of an alien craft?” . You might not know that it is much more likely that someone on the ground with their iPhone would “see” a UFO and capture a clear image. The telescope has such a narrow field of view. The number of sightings captured on SmartPhones is accelerating by the month. Thanks – and I’m enjoying the discussion with you too. The point about astronomers (and… Read more »
everyperson
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November 6, 2011 6:59 AM
Hello MikeW : I would very much appreciate reading your short stories. I am originally from the UK now living in Victoria, Canada. I sense I might be a lot older than you. My age does put me in a rather vulnerable position, as I do know that in previous generations someone like myself would be drawn to religion as they get close to retirement (or “death”). In previous generations “religion” would comfort the spirit as we get closer to the “end”. I am very much conscious of the “comfort” the various possibilities of UFO phenomina bring to people in my position. What can I do to resist this compulsion? I switch on the TV and watch incredible… Read more »
Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 7:22 PM
We all have delusions about something! . Just think about the number of very different religions that have millions of true believers. They can’t all be true, which means that millions of people — and probably billions — are very, very wrong. (But it doesn’t mean that they are stupid or unintelligent.) I’m not that young myself — approaching the half-century mark, but I do have two elderly parents, and interestingly enough, even though they have been life-long Christians, they have been moving in the opposite direct (away from religion) in the last few years. My Dad even admitted to me that if they had been a bit younger, they probably would have left the church altogether by… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 8:24 AM

The nasa sts videos have (pretty) clear ufos ( saucers) all over them. Jus look them up.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 1:13 AM
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 1:06 AM
Why are you waiting for WH dislosure, when millions have already made the great step forward and opened http://www.theyfly.com? Not only do we have open contact, but thpusands of pages of of info. on the planets history, our origins etc.. The best of that is from Randolph Winters, a US investigator who spent time in Switzerland with the contactee, Billy . Meier. His book, The Pleiadean Mission, A Time of Awareness, iis us a much better insight than even the 1800 pages of contact notes, of the conversations recorded between Meier and the ets. in Message From the Pleiades, in 4 volumes, published by the late Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF, Intel. Retd. and Meier. here we have group… Read more »
Baris Bicer
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Baris Bicer
November 5, 2011 8:57 PM

So now that the White House confirmed that they’re not covering anything up, the people who signed the petition will continue to accuse the gov’t of covering something up.

sigmond
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November 5, 2011 10:38 PM

Well either the government is lying to us or some high ranking military officials are lying
to us.It’s not good either way.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 5, 2011 11:04 PM

Or, just maybe, nobody is lying to anyone. If you are suggesting that there are some high ranking military officials out there who claim that they know aliens exist, then it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that they are mistaken about what they’ve seen. They don’t have to be lying (though they could be, I guess).

Arx Ferrum
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November 6, 2011 12:26 AM

There are, without any question, many high ranking military officials (though mostly retired) who have already stepped forward. But regardless, anyone assuming upon themselves the position of second-guesser is walking a line far thinner than the original testimony. In other words, third-party assessments are worth less than dime store novels.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 1:22 AM

But it remains true that eye-witness accounts are amongst the least reliable form of evidence. People routinely mistake weather and astronomical phenomena for UFOs, senses and memories are easily tricked, and it is a fact of human nature that personal stories are embellished over time.

It also remains true that the burden of proof remains on those who make the fantastical claims. Contact with aliens is no small claim, and absent significant corroborating physical evidence, should always be treated with the utmost suspicion.

Tom Mars
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Tom Mars
November 6, 2011 11:20 PM

You’re either ignoring or unaware of the cases (there’s quite a few) where UFO’s were tracked on radar, sometimes, even by multiple radar stations and aircraft.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 10:52 AM

if a few = thousands from every country with a radar

Conan C
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Conan C
November 5, 2011 11:22 PM

“In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.”

Well, that’s definitely not true just as it’s an outright lie to say there are no UFO coverups.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 5, 2011 11:41 PM

The key word is “credible” Conan. There’s lots of “incredible” (as in “unbelievable”) information, but no credible information. That’s why it’s not a lie at all.

Arx Ferrum
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November 6, 2011 12:31 AM

Credibility is in the eye of the beholder. You may believe what you choose and you may proclaim it as absolute gospel… but it really doesn’t amount to anything more than one person’s opinion. The word here is ‘subjective’, as in: entirely ‘subjective’, lol.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 1:38 AM
So if I made the claim that I was the world’s foremost debunker of alien abductions, and you disputed it, saying that it was not a credible claim, everyone should just dismiss your opinion as worthless and accept that my claim has more value than your opinion? Hmm. What you are suggesting is intellectual anarchy. The burden of proof is on the original claimant, and the more extraordinary the claim, the greater that burden is. There is very little that is more extraordinary than the claim to have encountered alien life in some form. If NASA or some other government agency went chasing after every claim made about evidence for alien life, they wouldn’t have any time or… Read more »
Arx Ferrum
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November 6, 2011 12:18 AM

What a beautiful approach to that 80% by applying the word, ‘appease’. I am sure that your insult will be largely applauded by the other 20%.

Perhaps we are being visited, perhaps not. Maybe that visitation is by ET, or maybe not. But regardless of exactly what it all amounts to, the ridicule and mistreatment of so large a portion of global society, by government, mainstream science and the media, should not be allowed to go without note or challenge. This is not how a free society treats people. This is snob tyranny.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 1:46 AM

People ridicule because the claims are ridiculous — just like the claim that those who reject the veracity of tales of alien encounters and UFO are ridiculing 80% of all human beings. The ridicule is limited to those who are making and promoting the claims — i.e. just a few thousand people, at most.

Come up with some extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim if you want people to treat you seriously.

serial_ tech
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serial_ tech
November 6, 2011 1:09 AM

For many it’s more important to believe than face reality. I had a feeling the only group a white house disclosure would affect were those that are on the fence and haven’t been over Hollywoodized with ideas that the government is a giant conspiracy farm.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 6, 2011 1:38 AM

And 9/11 was caused by 19 uneducated Muslim militants, Iraq harbored “weapons of mass destruction,” and the Patriot Act protects America from foreign terrorism …. in closing, our government doesn’t lie ….

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 1:52 AM
And 9/11 was caused by 19 uneducated Muslim militants Well, they weren’t uneducated, and they had help from their fellow terrorists in the planning of the attack, but yes, in essence, that’s what happened. It’s certainly far more believable that a small group of determined killers took advantage of lax security in a free and open society, than some ludicrous complex wide-ranging government conspiracy that would have had to involve dozens, if not hundreds of people, all without a single leak from anybody. But it is telling that those who believe one conspiracy theory tend to believe a lot of them. Hint: it doesn’t bolster your claims. And just because the government lies to us (and I agree,… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 10:50 AM

Bay of Pigs… Gulf of Tonkin….US govt has a long record of bs lies. Why stop now

postman1
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postman1
November 6, 2011 1:52 AM

All this hoopla over whether UFO’s exist is ridiculous. Of course they do. I have seen one myself. It may have been an air craft of some sort or a satellite, but as far as my viewpoint is concerned, it was an Unidentified Flying Object and it existed. Could it have been aliens from another world? Possibly, probably not, but I will likely never know. It is a UFO.

Lights in the Dark
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November 6, 2011 3:55 AM

The statement didn’t refute UFOs, it refuted knowledge of alien life. Most UFO reports end up being proven to be something very Earthly in origin.

postman1
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postman1
November 6, 2011 1:09 PM

I agree, my point was that we all should be ‘UFO believers’ (last paragraph), only because some things we see in the sky remain Unexplained. Whether we believe they are of extraterrestrial origin is another thing entirely.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 6, 2011 6:47 AM

This is a pretty extraordinary claim. I’m sure you have some pretty substantial evidence or you won’t be claiming this. Can we see your proof? How many photos? Date & time, location and personal context? Audio evidence? Expert interpretation of your material? Eye witness references and backgrounds? Personal notes written within 24 hours?

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
November 6, 2011 2:22 AM
This is also a sign of something troublesome. It comes to some chagrin on my part to see how this blog post has quickly racked up so many responses, which upon a quick look about half of the responders seem to support the petitioners and advance various claims to support the UFO = alien life idea. Taken as a barometer of the mentality of people (mostly Americans) this suggests a bleak accounting of things. The “data” for UFOs as being some ETI from space is about as clear as the data suggesting that ghosts and spirits contact living people from the “beyond.” There is nothing above the level of noise to suggest anything. Further, I think the more… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 6, 2011 4:34 AM
‘It tells us the landscape of reality is enormously diverse and what we are finding is far different from our planet.’ I don’t think that we can draw this conclusion just yet, it’s early days for the Kepler and WISE data for the numbers of worlds that are the size of Earth or smaller, Kepler also needs more time, but what is being said about the data so far is that those planets may be far more in number than they anticipated, most of what has come out so far has been the easy to spot stuff, gas giants and the like in close orbits around their parent stars. I agree though, the landscape of reality is enormously… Read more »
Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
November 6, 2011 7:44 PM
The extrasolar systems which have been found tend to have quite a large range of diverse distributions of planets. There are those who think a large moon such as Earth’s is necessary for complex life, for it stabilizes the angular momentum of the planet. I doubt that Earth would have complex life if Jupiter were at 2AU, for the orbit of the planet would be far more chaotic and this would cause wild swings in climate. I think there is likely intelligent life in the universe beyond ourselves. It may take a range for forms, and we may have divergent forms on this planet already. Some may be able to develop technology based on an understanding of the… Read more »
Aqua4U
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November 7, 2011 1:10 AM
Sci Fi short story topic: Two choices.. ‘they’ are here or ‘they’ are not here… THEY are here… their absence from the public eye only proves that they don’t want us to know they ARE here. They obviously prefer to remain anonymous and limit the number of people who know. Scenario: Back in the late 1930’s early 1940’s, Aliens land and contact officials high in the world’s governments and request secretive meetings. During the meeting(s) it is agreed to make certain exchanges of alien technology for gold. The aliens need the gold to line fusion reactors aboard their star ships… Later we find that the aliens have been using our ancestors to dig the gold for thousands and… Read more »
Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
November 7, 2011 4:17 AM

There is plausible deniability. I have found it funny that outright denials of UFOs are sometimes not made when the claimed alien spacecraft looks a bit like some secret test aircraft or skunkworks secret spy plane.

LC

Rabbit Grey
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Rabbit Grey
November 7, 2011 8:25 AM

Your response is typical of the knee jerk debunker brigade, uninformed, gullible and credulous. A few days spent researching what there is would shake up your small minded beliefs. Some of us have even had experiences which leave no doubt in our minds and as one of these, I just look at what people like you assert and sigh at the sad primitive mindset of so many. It isn’t even about taking the word of people like me of course because there is plenty more than our unprovable assertions to go on.

Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 8, 2011 4:38 AM

Some of us have even had experiences which leave no doubt in our minds and as one of these, I […]

You mean like this?

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 4:28 PM
That a pretty ignorant reply. If you actually do some research, a lot of people have had direct contact with something strange. Sometimes with multiple witnesses at the same time. I’m one of those people (and had 6 other witnesses to one encounter, which also left physical evidence). Clearly something is going on. At the same time I’ll be the first to say it’s probably not ETs, but it’s not all in people’s imaginations either. Its likely something much stranger. Regarding UFOs, we don’t know what they are, so we can’t say they are ET spacecraft. There’s many reasons to believe they are not. But once again, they are not figments of people’s imaginations. They have been tracked… Read more »
Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 10, 2011 6:45 PM

Actually, I did “do some research”, dude; it is called Hypnagogia – case closed!

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 7:11 PM

So if you are driving your car you have hypnagogia? Not! And with multiple people? Everyone has it at the same time and hallucinates the same thing? Not! Lame explanation. Same with sleep paralysis.

The case is not closed.

Many of these things happen to people who are wide awake, and not in their beds. That shows you have not done any research on the subject at all. Which is exactly as I expected. Debunkers never want to do any research, they just grab the first idea that comes into mind.

Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 10, 2011 9:43 PM

Seriously, why would an alien civilization invest a lot of time and resources, travelling from one star system to another (Sol), just for the sole purpose of giving same redneck or dago an ass probe?

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 10:24 PM
See, you haven’t studied any of this, nor did you read anything I wrote. It’s likely not ETs doing it. It could be beings from somewhere else that does not require travel between star systems. It could be they are getting here someway we don’t understand. They might actually live here, as many UFO sightings involve them coming from and going into large bodies of water. This is why the US Navy is in charge of UFO sightings. Also, you are once more showing your ignorance on the subject, as many abductees are highly educated people with degreed professions like doctors and (gasp) even scientist. The ass probe thing was Whitley Strieber’s book, but that usually doesn’t happen.… Read more »
Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 10, 2011 10:51 PM

Also evidence would have it that this has been going on for a very long time.

Like, er… what “evidence”, dude?

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 11:46 PM

Dude? What are you, like, 16?

All I can say is you are dismissing a subject you know *nothing* about. Do some reading. There are a lot of serious books on the subject.

I’ve been studying this for the past 40+ years.

Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 11, 2011 1:11 AM

I’ve been studying this for the past 40+ years.

You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history!

DavidRavenMoon
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November 11, 2011 1:34 AM

And you’re just a moron.

wjwbudro
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wjwbudro
November 11, 2011 2:56 AM

This comment is completely childish and uncalled for. Where is the moderator???
This is not the first time this individual has resorted to this kind of trash talk!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 17, 2011 3:19 AM

What evidence? All there is is eye witness testimonies. Extraordinary claims require the burden of proof to be extraordinary.

DavidRavenMoon
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November 18, 2011 2:09 AM
Why does everyone automatically use the old Sagan quote? And if you are going to use that logic, go back to the source of that, Pierre-Simon Laplace, who said; “The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness.” So what are the claims? •People see UFOs That’s a fact. • UFOs are unknown objects That’s also a fact. So far I don’t see anything all that extraordinary. In fact, so many people make credible reports of unknown objects doing things that manmade or natural objects can’t do, that just that fact is actually quite extraordinary. Are UFOs extraterrestrial spacecraft? We don’t have enough information to make that judgement. We also can’t devise a… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 10:46 AM

radar evidence of ufos going 20k miles/ hr and zipping out of the atmosphere does not suggest “space aliens”… Have u seen the Nasa sts videos… I mean they were shot by our space agency. Lunar astronauts claiming the US is covering this up is not ” above the level of noise to suggest anything”. 3 out of 12 lunar astronauts. Really?

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
November 7, 2011 12:20 PM
The radar signals are probably due to ionization of the upper atmosphere. Charged particle flux from the sun ionizes the atmosphere, which if strong enough will produce aurora displays. Ionized gas will reflect EM radiation and appear as a signal on radar. The variation in the flux of incoming charged particle radiation will cause the region of ionization to migrate rapidly. Which is the most reasonable or most probable interpretation of these events? The first is a natural process involving ionization of molecules in the upper atmosphere. The second is that alien life forms traversed hundreds or thousands of light years to make reconnaissance missions over Earth. The UFO claims by Apollo astronauts never materialized into much. They… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 11:51 PM

I’ll take my five years workin on apg 65 and apg73 radar on f-18’s for the US Navy, along with my FCC license that allows me to work on any radar in the world, and my degrees in aeronautics and technology over that “stupid excuse” any day. Multiple radars + multiple witnesses does not equal ionized gas… Can Ionized gas track a shuttle for 3 days?

brad canelo
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brad canelo
November 6, 2011 2:34 AM

It’s ALL a cover up in order to keep us from panicking! INDEED, just think if the U.S. government confirmed alien contact, wouldn’t most people freakout ???

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 4:00 AM
I doubt it, brad. Some people would freak out, sure, and there would be a massive amount of scrambling as governments, religious leaders, major economic decision makers and financial investors all digested the news and tried to understand the ramifications of the announcement. But it all very much depends on what is announced. If they just announced that they had detected an alien signal from 50 light years away, or that there was microbial life on Mars, it would be huge news, but very little would change day-to-day, and there would be no need to panic at all. In the scenario that is being discuss here though — the announcement that the government has known about aliens and… Read more »
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November 6, 2011 6:43 AM

I would also add that popular culture has played a significant role in de-sensitizing us to the idea of alien life. For 100 years or so, the media has addressed this issue at length. From the War of The Worlds broadcast in 1937, to Star Trek, we’ve been acclimatised to this idea. Even the Vatican has publicly mussed about the idea of extra-terrestrial life. Islam actually has a vague (but nevertheless friendly to ETI interpretation) passage regarding cosmic “peoples.”

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November 7, 2011 12:44 PM
The notion of life in the heavens is very ancient. Angels or gods, the spirits of ancestors or other beings have been thought to inhabit the sky since prehistory. The space alien is a modern variant of the same idea. It also illustrates a proclivity that human beings have to focus in on people, or being like people. This particular blog spot has a large number of reponses, where about half are from those who think UFOs are alien spacecraft. The idea of ETI in the universe gives a sort of human-ness to the universe, which amounts to us projecting our hopes and meaning beyond our terrestrial sphere. Without ETI the universe outside this planet is a mindless… Read more »
everyperson
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November 6, 2011 6:43 AM

Your reasonaing is pretty good in my humble opinion. This is wh
y we are expecting gradual acceptance of the fact that we are “not alone”.

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November 6, 2011 3:39 PM
“Even those with the most to lose — religious leaders — would probably find a way to deal with the new reality more easily than we might expect.” The Catholic Church, at least (and for a historical change) is already ahead of the curve on this one, the Vatican having announced several years ago that it’s open to, and ready for this. Just Google ‘pope’ and ‘aliens’ Other faiths? Who knows? But I’m very Darwinian on this. Like anything else, they’ll adapt or die. What religion wants to admit its god(s) isn’t big enough to encompass this? And it’s hardly the business of government to hide the answer of the most profound question of all (aside from the… Read more »
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November 6, 2011 3:26 PM
Um, no. Indeed, people are more comfortable with the idea now, than any time in the past. And it would depend on the circumstances. If it’s something as benign as detecting unquestionably artificial radio signals from some star within, say, 100 light-years…expect lots of headlines for a few weeks and then, except for an ongoing controversy as to whether we should deliberately beam signals that way, it’ll be back to business as usual in no time. If it’s something as open and blatant as a landing on the White House lawn…then it will depend very much on what they do and say. And it may only be something like; “Hi, nice to meet you, but we’ve encountered too… Read more »
dontknownotsure
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dontknownotsure
November 6, 2011 3:25 AM

the whitehouse should make up alien contact story just to see how they react

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November 6, 2011 3:03 PM

I like it, but you’d never be able to take it back…

I’m reminded of someone’s notion of an actual alien arrival, and as they come out of their ship, they’re puzzled by the throngs of people consisting primarily of hard-core (as opposed to the open-minded who just want to know what’s going on) UFO believers, and their human escort whispers;

“Don’t tell them that you’ve never been here before. They won’t believe you.”

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November 6, 2011 3:43 AM
Who would have guessed it? From Wikipedia, ‘plausible deniability’ If your opponent lacks incontrovertible proof (evidence) of their allegation, you can “plausibly deny” the allegation even though it may be true. Governments around the world use this on a daily basis for lots of different reasons but mostly to cover their own asses. I saw something once, something I cannot explain, it has troubled me since 2007 I just cannot seem to get my head around it. Late at night walking my dog across our local country park I looked up at the sky to soak up the beauty of the stars, I watched an unusual pair of satellites travelling on a northerly path, I say unusual because… Read more »
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November 6, 2011 4:44 AM
Recently I saw an update on the WISE observatory data, much of which is only just being analyzed, on the solstation website there is a listing of nearby notable stars within the 10 to 20 light year range that is growing in size, Those stars are only red and brown dwarfs, though, and are typically not very good candidates for finding habitable-zone planets suitable for life with. Most red dwarfs, for example, are flare stars, and their variability would be a major problem for any planet close enough to have liquid water on. I do agree that we will eventually find a planet that will have evidence of oceans of water, and possibly even some markers of life.… Read more »
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November 6, 2011 5:49 AM
I can agree with that, red dwarfs being too unstable etc, brown dwarfs may surprise us yet, well see when the data is there, but my point is about the numbers, Kepler is only looking at a tiny slither of our local galaxy, I was excited about the fact that some of these cadidate systems are very close by in terms of distance, and their numbers are growing, and the other discovery of water being more common during system formation than previously thought, these are exciting times and the technology driving it is just as exciting. On the subject of ET, the jury is out, we can never be 100% arrogantly certain that our world has never been… Read more »
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November 6, 2011 6:35 AM
There is certainly a lot to discover about out past, no doubt. However, the claims that somehow ETI influenced ancient civilizations is a colorful interpretation at it’s best, misrepresentation at it’s worst. Discovery channel likes to make these shows because they are ratings monsters. Unfortunately, for those who claim these ‘revelations’ of sorts, there isn’t really anything substantial to build a case on. It is much more likely in every case presented, that human ingenuity was the only catalyst to these wonders. I tend to take some comfort in this much more likely explanation – we are after all, inventors and achievers. I postulate that Red Dwarf worlds will actually be fairly good candidates for life. They are… Read more »
Mike W
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November 6, 2011 3:43 AM

UPDATE: The Paradigm Research Group, one of the organizations sponsoring the petitions, has issued a statement saying, “As expected it was written by a low level staffer from the Office of Science and Technology Policy – research assistant Phil Larson. The response was unacceptable.”

In that case, the petition got exactly the amount of attention it deserved. Just imagine the cries of “cover-up” they would have issued if the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the President himself had issued this report.

Corrie Engelbrecht
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November 6, 2011 11:57 PM

Also, let’s suppose Obama himself responded. Then Paradigm would just have said something like:
a) Obama is clearly part of the cover-up, or
b) Obama himself is obviously being lied to

Aren’t conspiracy theories beautiful?

Button Pusher
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Button Pusher
November 8, 2011 10:33 AM
Yes, Conspiracy theories are beautiful, people will always doubt the official statements, its part of the psyche of the people who follow conspiracy theories(like myself). The idea of making a petition for disclosure is a nice concept but if the creators truly expected a honest answer on such a controversial subject then they can not have been the brightest, if the government have been keeping a secret for 80-90 years or longer they wont just admit they have been lying for so long just because 25000 people sign a paper. As for myself i enjoy reading about all the Alien conspiracy theories but i doubt the majority of them. I do believe there are other solar systems in… Read more »
Seth Austin
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November 6, 2011 3:50 AM

They exist, but they’ve never come here. It is the height of arrogance to think that advanced alien civilizations would seek out this tiny spec of a planet in the middle of nowhere when there are probably billions of life-harboring planets in the universe, if not trillions.

Mike W
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Mike W
November 6, 2011 4:20 AM
I think there is a very good chance they exist too — somewhere other than here. But I’m not so sure that they would not be interested in us if they knew we were here. What if intelligent life is rare? Once an alien civilization has solved all the puzzles of the physical universe, then life might be pretty boring if there was nothing left to investigate. Other intelligent life, like us, however, our thoughts, our history, our civilization. All that would be new to them. If they had any curiosity at all, I would think that they might find us as interesting, say, as the lives of the rich and famous are to many regular people. We… Read more »
Seth Austin
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November 6, 2011 7:10 AM

It depends on what you mean by rare. If you mean, for example, one intelligent civilization per galaxy, that would still amount to billions if not trillions of intelligent civilizations in the observable universe. Assuming there are 500 billion galaxies (very conservative estimate), that would amount to 500 billion advanced civilizations.

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November 6, 2011 4:41 AM

JesusChrist EasterBunny SantaClaus ToothFairy SpaceAliens.

Five imaginary beings believed in by knuckleheads, boobs and small children.

Roger Overcash
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Roger Overcash
November 6, 2011 5:17 AM

Intelligent people and UFOs have a lot in common.
You here about them all the time but you never see one.

juem poes
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juem poes
November 7, 2011 1:17 AM

Well. You are trying to compare JHS with things completly different. Someone can tell me which year we are?. Some will say 2011 but dont forvige b.C. So it is free that someone be named and remembered for free? Please people musst have more respetc at time to speak. People who it’s no necessary be a witch or something like that to think that this kind of people don’t have another better think to do that be in FB chatting and fooling. People who surely will dont have a strett with their names even.

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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 11:00 PM

lolwut?

Anonymous
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November 7, 2011 9:44 AM

U should take a look at the evidence

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November 6, 2011 9:18 AM
I have many friends and coworkers who absolutely believe computer technology comes from an alien spaceship in the hands of the government. They say that’s why computers were invented out of nowhere and improved so much. I myself know a lot about computer science, its development and history, and I know this is not the case. It is sad that so many people have such strong false opinions based on a lack of basic knowledge, and yet have no inclination or integrity to seek such knowledge. I understand that not everyone can have a PHD in physics or computer science, but anyone with some curiosity should know the difference between a comet and a galaxy, or between an… Read more »
Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 6, 2011 4:59 PM

Idiots People like that think that just because they cannot understand and/or invent something, no mortal man can either!

Anonymous
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November 6, 2011 10:15 AM
Govt is about 3 moves from being in checkmate on this issue. Over 100,000 pages of radar reports from EVERY country with airborne radar that shows objects that exceed 20,000 mph and change direction out of atmosphere. At least 3 of the men who have been to the moon (or not if u don’t believe we went) Dr. Mitchell, Eugene Cernan, and Buzz Aldrin have all claimed coverup. The disclosure projects 400+ witnesses such as ex military, pilots, AZ governor, astronauts, govt contractors, and much more. look it up for yourself…. The Nasa Sts videos and tether incident…. Moon and Mars anomalies…. A few quotes: “We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the… Read more »
Anonymous
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November 6, 2011 4:29 PM

Erm, from your quotes – doesn’t UFO stand for unidentified flying object not necessarily meaning aliens in a flying saucer (then it would not be UFO after all…).

Anonymous
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November 6, 2011 11:05 PM

Government documents and witnesses referring to alien bodies mean just that, however. Ufology is the most difficult subject to get a firm handle upon. The Dolan books are a good start with that. There are people who know with certainty.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
November 7, 2011 8:09 AM

Yes UFO stands for “unidentified flying object”. It allows u to talk about the problem with out acknowledging the reality. These things have been identified at least by the US govt since the 40s.

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Rubi
November 7, 2011 5:29 PM

You Make No Sencee , Im Lost ?

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 4:51 PM
That’s true, but the standard debunking of UFO reports is to identify the object, and say the observer has misidentified something like the planet Venus (even though Venus doesn’t zig zag across the sky), or some such thing. That’s not doing anything constructive. These “explanations” generally do not fit the observer’s experience and description. The problem is in part the old “It can’t be, so it isn’t, so it must be something else”. That’s a very arrogant and close minded stance to take. This gets back to egos and what the person making that statement accepts as facts. So rather than say this is an unexplained phenomenon, and really trying to solve what it is, it’s brushed under… Read more »
Trevor
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Trevor
November 7, 2011 7:16 AM

Oh boy, as soon as you made an inference to the ‘Mars face’ you lost all credibility. Not that you had much to begin with. Face reality, until the world is handed absolute, physical proof you cannot convince yourself that extraterrestrial intelligent entities are visiting our planet. There are so many terrestrial explanations for what people see but they choose to ignore or dismiss them in favour of little green men in flying saucers.
Don’t get me wrong, I firmly believe that in this unimaginably vast universe there are other intelligent civilizations, I just don’t believe they are visiting us. People like you just do not understand the road blocks physics puts in front of any would-be interstellar travelers.

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twas brillig
November 7, 2011 8:02 AM

Trevor, really, you REALLY don’t have a clue, and i mean that in all sincerity, you have the audacity to even pretend to know what a civilization perhaps a million years in advance of ours could have achieved by assuming they could not be visiting us. For all you know they’ve been here for millions of years already. You are stuck in your own tiny paradigm and your own religion, namely the physics of thermodynamics and the dogma of the 20th century.

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Lexx 1113
November 7, 2011 4:54 PM

Trevor is the kind of guy who does not believe in “little green men” or UFOs, BUT he most likely believes in an imaginary being called God who sits on a throne in heaven who writes with a magic pen all the good and evil deeds that Trevor does on this magic book and one day Trevor would have to face this imaginary god and this god will send him packing to heaven or hell. You might as well believe in the freaking easter bunny Trevor! UFOs and extraterrestrials do exist you idiot.

Trevor
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November 8, 2011 6:00 AM

This is a perfect example of your ignorance and propensity to come to conclusions that suit your own agenda’s. I am about as anti-religion as you can get. I don’t believe in mythical deities as much as I don’t believe in little green men in flying saucers. The fact you have resorted to juvenile insults does not help your cause, perhaps you need to adjust your tin foil hat, it’s probably on too tight.

Trevor
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November 8, 2011 6:31 AM

Where’s the evidence? Don’t show me blurry photo’s, shaky video of weird lights or people recollecting experiences under hypnosis. Show me a freakin picture inside an alien spacecraft or something physical someone managed to nick off of an unsuspecting alien when they were abducted. You’d think that of all the thousands of abductees, some supposedly multiple abductees, one of them would have swiped something as evidence of their ordeal or taken a sneaky pic! But no, there is NOTHING.

DavidRavenMoon
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November 10, 2011 5:12 PM
Trevor, you really need to read up on the subject. No photos, especially in this day and age proves anything. Even if it was the inside of a UFO. If someone showed you a photo like that you could say it was a Hollywood set or some other prop. But when you see something with your own eyes, and you know you are smart enough to explain it, and can’t, then that leaves an impression on you. It really doesn’t matter if you can prove it to other people. With the vast numbers of reports that are not terrestrial explanations, or when people actually do see a physical object close to the ground surrounded by small (but not… Read more »
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November 7, 2011 8:07 AM

Ok… I’ve faced reality.. 5 year Navy aviation vet with 3 degrees in aeronautics and tech. I very well understand the speed of light distance problem. There is obviously some flaw with Einsteins theory…I don’t know the answer.. I jus know these things are showing up on Radar…I didnt speculate where they were from. U did.

Trevor
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Trevor
November 8, 2011 6:16 AM

oh you’re debunking Einstein now are you, LOL

Button Pusher
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Button Pusher
November 8, 2011 10:13 AM

Is it that hard to debunk Einstein? “Einstein’s theory of special relativity, proposed in 1905, states that nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

But researchers at the CERN lab near Geneva claim they have recorded neutrinos, a type of tiny particle, travelling faster than the barrier of 186,282 miles (299,792 kilometres) per second.” http://www.clusterflock.org/2011/09/faster-than-the-speed-of-light-2.html

Reki Renmei
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Reki Renmei
November 13, 2011 10:02 AM

There’s another thing that breaks all laws of physics–a black hole. Once anything–including light–is pulled into it, the laws of physics go totally out the window. I won’t spend the time to explain it all here–it would take too long–but you can do the research yourself.

Anonymous
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November 11, 2011 2:12 AM

The fact that time nearly stops when approaching the speed of light opens the universe to exploration, you just cant return from where you came. No breaking of Einsteins laws needed.

Anonymous
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November 7, 2011 8:18 AM

Trevor, they are shutting down our Nukes. Whats the terrestrial explanation for the radar evidence? Respectfully it is U that must face reality

Anonymous
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November 7, 2011 9:52 AM
U may know in the US court of law, witness testimony is one of the most common way to convict our accused. Yet when thousands of pilots (some being qualified to carry nukes), many astronauts and cosmonauts, governors, military, ect….witness saucer shape aircraft in our skies doing 50+g turns that would kill any human. And this same information shows up on radar… Not jus one radar.. FAA, Military, and civilian radars… Ground and Air radar hits with visual conformation. This witness testimony is ridiculed, ignored, and debunked but never investigated. (The US gov denies investigation of these reports)… Really? If u were commander of a nuke base site and a (ufo) (whatever it may be) shut off the… Read more »
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November 7, 2011 10:18 AM

Also, respectfully u dont understand the physics of “aircraft” in our skies doing 20k miles/hr and changing direction in a 90 degree angle. Unless u believe that ground and airborne radars are a conspiracy theory also. 1 (g) on earth = the acceleration of 9.8 meters / sec ^2…… Your weight on Earth is your mass (times) 1 earth (g)…. Do u believe a human pilot could survive a what 400 g turn??? Even our aircraft would be torn to shreds… I’m convinced U havent looked at the evidence and/or U don’t understand the physics of what our instruments are picking up

buddy
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buddy
November 7, 2011 6:56 PM

hmm ime sure scientists 100 years ago would think riding a rocket to the moon would be impossible too. planes that travel at supersonic speed ? crazy..

lol even a spaceship traveling at over 33,000 miles an hour would have sounded proposterous back then. our tech is evolving fast and within the next 200 years i think humans will achieve FTL travel. to help you imagine how fast tech is evolving go off this…

earth took 3 billion years to get to its current state
it took humans 70 years to go from backpack telephones that you have to wind up. all the way to the iphone 4s with voice command and touch screen technology…. go figure

buddy
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buddy
November 7, 2011 6:56 PM

hmm ime sure scientists 100 years ago would think riding a rocket to the moon would be impossible too. planes that travel at supersonic speed ? crazy..

lol even a spaceship traveling at over 33,000 miles an hour would have sounded proposterous back then. our tech is evolving fast and within the next 200 years i think humans will achieve FTL travel. to help you imagine how fast tech is evolving go off this…

earth took 3 billion years to get to its current state
it took humans 70 years to go from backpack telephones that you have to wind up. all the way to the iphone 4s with voice command and touch screen technology…. go figure

Anonymous
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November 6, 2011 1:15 PM
I would love to know if the US Gov had made first contact with aliens, it would answer a lot of questions. The trouble is what proof is there really about UFOs? Some claim pilots have witnessed them when airborne but with the traffic in the skys these days you would think that A more would report the sightings and B there would be more evidence in the guise of actual images , rather than the pixalated images we get subjected to. Personally I do subscribe to the Drake equation on alien life, but if they came here they would be so far technologically advanced why would they just confine themselves to govenments? Wouldnt they just wipe us… Read more »
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November 7, 2011 10:22 AM

Radar evidence is proof…. It can prove in a US court that u have been speeding… However radar evidence plus witness testimony isn’t sufficient for an investigation? Wonder why? Bc its already being investigated. Has been for a while

Ivan3man_At_Large
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Ivan3man_At_Large
November 7, 2011 11:03 PM

That’s because the traffic police also have a bloody clear picture of your offending car’s registration number!

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