Gabrielle Giffords and Mark Kelly, in an image on Giffords' campaign website.

Rep. Giffords, Wife of NASA Astronaut, Shot

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and wounding several others. Giffords is the wife of NASA astronaut Mark Kelly who is scheduled to command one of the last space shuttle missions. Giffords is reportedly in stable condition. Those killed included a 9-year-old child and a federal judge.

Kelly is scheduled to command the shuttle Endeavour in April, but he immediately flew on a NASA jet to Tucson from Houston, officials said, and asked to be put on personal leave. His twin brother Scott is now on board the International Space Station as commander. NASA officials said Scott Kelly was informed of the shooting by flight controllers at the Johnson Space Center.

Reports say the gunman shot Giffords from about a foot away, and then opened fire on the rest of the crowd. The gunman was subdued by other members of the crowd and is now in custody.

The surgeon who attended Giffords said the bullet traveled all the way through her head, but he is optimistic about her recovery.

NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden issued a statement on the tragedy:

“We at NASA are deeply shocked and saddened by the senseless shooting of Representative Giffords and others at Saturday’s public event in Tucson. As a long-time supporter of NASA, Representative Giffords not only has made lasting contributions to our country, but is a strong advocate for the nation’s space program and a member of the NASA family. She also is a personal friend with whom I have had the great honor of working. We at NASA mourn this tragedy and our thoughts and prayers go out to Congresswoman Giffords, her husband Mark Kelly, their family, and the families and friends of all who perished or were injured in this terrible tragedy.”

Sources: AP, Twitter



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Aqua4U
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January 8, 2011 6:26 PM

This idiot has committed the most cowardly crime, this is simply disgusting. Shame! I’ve gotta look deep to find the Christ in me to forgive this fool… instead I am leaning toward a public stoning? I’m crying as I type. Just give me five minutes with him..

Torbjorn Larsson OM
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Torbjorn Larsson OM
January 8, 2011 4:15 PM

Gun licenses a) shows you can handle the gun b) shows that you know what a gun is for (not people you disagree with).

But of course, in US owning a gun is a right, never a wrong. sad

Quasy
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Quasy
January 8, 2011 4:30 PM

@Torbjorn, forget it…. I’ve tried to understand them too, but I can’t. And Obama is calling for prayers instead of real regulations on weapons in US. Like the prayers will stop the next killing spree…. sad
Too sad wonderful people are paying the price sad

Forty
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January 9, 2011 1:21 AM

I’m with you, regulation is needed, but ironically “Giffords is a strong supporter of gun-ownership rights under the Second Amendment”, according to Huffington Post…….sad

Torbjorn Larsson OM
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Torbjorn Larsson OM
January 9, 2011 5:36 AM

Yes, this is apparently a reflexive european reaction that goes around a lot when these things happen. Downthread someone is arguing for *more* guns, but guns isn’t the problem, it is the people who uses them. Licenses is selective on the latter.

Here in Sweden we have licenses, and IIRC the gun density is among the highest in Europe. (We have great woods and games, elk and bear among them.)

Of course we don’t lug them around to protect ourselves at political meetings. *Because we have gun licenses and regulation for that.* Try it US, it works elsewhere so even a fumbling old doddering nation may learn.

rtg74
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rtg74
January 9, 2011 9:55 AM

That old doddering nation tried prohibition of alcohol in the 1920’s. How did that work out? The problem isn’t the regulations, it is the whack jobs who break the laws on the books.

Dominion
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January 8, 2011 4:39 PM

yup. i’m an American and i don’t understand it either. when this country was formed it was still pretty much a wild frontier. you needed weapons more for the wild animals than the wild people. and of course back then the average gun took a minute or two to load, aim, and fire. it’s time for some change. i’ll trade my right to bear arms for the right to live safely.

Polaris93
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January 9, 2011 12:45 AM
I am a fiscal and constitutional conservative, and as a woman living alone want to make sure that at need I can defend myself effectively against someone significantly bigger and stronger than I am. But murder is an appalling crime. *No one* has the right to take the life of other humans unless those humans are a real and immediate threat to him or his loved ones, or unless it is in the context of the judgment of a judge and jury at the conclusion of a properly conducted trial. What that idiot did was murder — *mass* murder — pure and simple. If he took his cue to do perpetrate those murders from someone else’s political speech,… Read more »
Quasy
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Quasy
January 8, 2011 4:51 PM

Sadly, as I see it from the outside, you are in minority Dominion sad

Aqua4U
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January 8, 2011 7:52 PM

Ye shall know them by their deeds…

fnanfne
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fnanfne
January 8, 2011 5:00 PM

This is just terrible. Such a lovely woman, shot in the face! I can’t understand how anyone can harm another person like this, it’s inhumane.

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 8, 2011 6:31 PM
Giffords was on Palin’s “hit list.” When these far right guys say these things, such as Palin’s statement, it should be taken seriously. Glen Beck says about progressives, “We’re gonna get you.” These are code words to the most insane in their ranks to “lock & load” and go after “enemies.” Think of the rock song with the lyrics “Lunatic fringe, I know you’re out there.” This has consequences, and they are within a tissue paper’s depth of calling for outright killing of people left of “Attila the Hun” politics. Remember in the wake of the 104th Congress in 1995 we saw various acts of domestic terror. We can expect much the same this time around — and… Read more »
tripleclean
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tripleclean
January 9, 2011 8:50 AM

Thanks, watched it and it screams to me crystal meth. Once on that stuff they all more or less act the same way. Anyone recall the guy who stole the M-60 tank out is San Diego in ’95 or the guy who dug under his house in Stockton for gold until he was down 100 feet and the house colapsed? Crystal!!

Craigboy
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Craigboy
January 9, 2011 12:05 AM

You know if more people had guns than this guy wouldn’t have been able to shoot as many people as he did.

Jlazor
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Jlazor
January 9, 2011 12:25 AM

and if less people had guns he wouldn’t have been able to shoot ANY people.

Torbjorn Larsson OM
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Torbjorn Larsson OM
January 9, 2011 5:37 AM

I answered that above.

2stepbay
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2stepbay
January 9, 2011 12:30 AM
This deeply disturbed man was raised in an environment that feeds/thrives on violence. He’s a by-product of it. Today, 24×7 news shows fuel this insatiable desire for seeing violent acts, or police chases, or UFC legalized street fighting, etc. Just what exactly are we teaching our children? Today’s events are beyond the pale and a grim reminder of a society deeply in trouble. In the end, it’s not about the one person pulling the trigger, it’s more about how we as a society tolerate, and to some degree abet, this notion it’s OK to hurt or kill anyone with whom we disagree. Constructive, discourse of ideas and healthy debate in a free society may be idealistic, however, it’s… Read more »
Aqua4U
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January 10, 2011 8:57 AM

2stepbay… you mentioned that “astronauts circle the Earth, seemingly oblivious…” Do you not know that Rep. Gifford’s husband is the brother of the current ISS commander and is scheduled to fly the next or last mission – however things work out. So, the astronauts circling the earth are VERY MUCH in tune with what’s going on down here..

P.S. SHAME America… SHAME! Especially you Sarah Palin and YOU Glenn Beck, for calling out your DOGS! SICK sick politic.. go away!

2stepbay
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2stepbay
January 10, 2011 10:22 PM

>Your comment about astronauts being oblivious to the violence on Earth was grossly inappropriate, insulting and disingenuous!

Poor wording, perhaps. sad While I realize astronauts are consciously aware of what’s going on below (not my point), the intention was to illustrate how to an astronaut’s eyes, there would be no apparent indication that such violence could possibly exist on such a lovely blue jewel below.

Aqua4U
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January 11, 2011 6:05 PM

2stepbay – I think you meant to post under Robert’s comment… not mine? dzzz..

Robert
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Robert
January 10, 2011 6:35 AM

2stepbay I agreed with you, in part. The culture in which he was raised probably contributed to this horrible mess. Many have have also noted the appeal of Palin’s hit list to nut cases like this guy. Your comment about astronauts being oblivious to the violence on Earth was grossly inappropriate, insulting and disingenuous!

Dav_Daddy
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January 9, 2011 2:56 AM
This is a terrible tragedy and my heart and prayers go out to all those whose lives have been affected by this. Every time there is a gun related tragedy the anti-gun libs start hopping up and down about more gun conrtol laws it never fails. Guns don’t kill people people do. The current gun control laws are more than enough thank you. All gun control laws do is to make weapons less accessible to the law abiding public. Like a waiting period or more red tape would have deterred this guy? I can see how that would have gone down. “Well I was going to kill a public servant and some innocent bystanders today. But in order… Read more »
Astrofiend
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Astrofiend
January 10, 2011 3:41 AM

Largely works in Australia mate. After our last massacre (Port Arthur), we banned pretty much every gun that could be concealed, rapidly discharged, or that was high powered. The remainder need licenses under strict conditions, such as requiring them to be locked in a gun safe with ammunition in a separate location. As a result, gun crime has plummeted to near non-existence in comparison to most places in the world.

Best thing we ever did. If I had my way, there wouldn’t be a gun in the country that wasn’t in the hand of a farmer or hunter.

Quasy
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Quasy
January 10, 2011 6:08 AM

And it works like in most other parts of the world…

Dav_Daddy
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January 10, 2011 7:26 AM
It’s been tried here, guns were basically illegal in Washington D.C. for over 40 years and it was a mainstay as one of the 5 most dangerous US cities. Now bear with me on this, if you look at murder and violent crime rates across all major US cities with a population over 250,000 you will see a remarkable trend. The states with the most gun control regulation, (California, New York, and D.C.) have among the highest instances of violent crime and homicide. Now take the states that have the least gun control regulation, (Arizona, Texas, and Alaska) are FAR safer places to live across the board. These rates are based on cases per 1,000 for all of… Read more »
Astrofiend
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Astrofiend
January 10, 2011 9:09 PM

You’ve basically just listed the most urban/populous areas in America and claimed that they are the more violent because of their stricter gun control. Urban/populous areas are ALWAYS more violent per capita than less densely populated regions. I’m sure that trend would be replicated in almost any country in the world.

Anyway, with the sheer number of guns you have in circulation over there, you’re probably right – I don’t see any way back. I’m just happy knowing that the odds are practically 100% that nobody on the streets in my city could kill me from a distance if they lose the plot. But that’s just me.

The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 11, 2011 11:29 PM
Readers here might like to read as an objective view by the Emeritus Professor, Rod Tiffen, of Sydney University, in the article; So much resentment in the land of alienated patriots. Here is quote the relative; “There is a strong correlation between the number of guns in a society and deaths resulting from them…. Although we should not leap to simple explanations, it is surely not a coincidence that the US has a homicide rate (6 per 100,000 population in 2004) more than four times higher than Australia’s (1.3) and 12 times higher than in Britain and Japan (0.5).” As for the changes in Australia in the death toll by firearms ; “…introduction of stronger gun laws after… Read more »
The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 9, 2011 4:05 AM
Pima County’s Sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, said, “”horrendous, senseless, unbelieveable crime.” No doubt from his own +50 years experience, he talked brutally and honestly about the existence of increasing extremism and the verbosity and bombastic attitudes within the US. He certainly puts what happened here in a bone-chilling perspective, saying, “The anger, the hatred, the bigotry has gotten out of control,.. ‘Unfortunately, Arizona has become sort of the capital. This has become the Mecca for bigotry and prejudice. Pretty soon we’re not going to be able to get reasonable, decent people to serve in elected office in this country…” Sadly in many western countries, the same rise of this anti-culture is also occurring. There seems to be a ground… Read more »
Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 9, 2011 4:50 AM
The shooter was clearly insane or schizophrenic. However, to focus on him is to miss the larger picture. The problem is that he was targeted by the extreme right as the lunatic fringe who will do the dirty work. Glen Beck was a rock DJ and it seems he is taking to heart the song lyrics, “Lunatic fringe, I know you’re out there,” done by a 1980s band. When these demagogues say things like, “We will get you,” it borders on being the sort in incitements voiced on Rwanda radio that sparked off the mass violence in 1994. After Gingrich got in the House with his “Contract for America,” we saw an up rise in militia and domestic… Read more »
The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 9, 2011 5:32 AM
Sounds like we / you we need a more noble zeroth law in the American Constitution (and in the constitutions of all other countries) ; “We the people, put as an inviolable oath, to uphold to defend the sanctity and decency of all natural-born human life above our own, to the extent that we accept we are prepared to sacrifice our own existence(s) for the sake of all humanity, without resorting to either harm or extinguish the live or lives against any or all of our fellow human beings.” If necessary, we need to drum this basic statement into every human from now on born on the Earth. Break it, and you permanently lose you rights as a… Read more »
tripleclean
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tripleclean
January 9, 2011 8:41 AM
No Crumb that oath isn’t for us. Look at who she was married to. Put Capt. Kelly or his brother Capt. Kelly in any of our fine navel aircraft and like the rest of us here become natural-born killers. We are a violent people and our laws and culture reflect this by way of giving offenders of violence with fire arms second chances to do it again at the same time we flood our streets with more guns. Also Arizona was different, as a kid I could go into any drug store and buy pistols and round. I don’t recall long guns, maybe didn’t have room under the counter. BTW: a dingo ate my baby and thanks for… Read more »
Aqua4U
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January 10, 2011 9:05 AM

As usual.. well spoken! Freedom of speech is one thing but using it to inspire racial hatred or condoning violence is NOT ACCEPTABLE as part of that amendment! Those who USE our freedoms against us are the worst of the lot! Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin… all three of you are as guilty as the shooter and you too should be imprisoned for this heinous act of stupidity… that you inspired… idiots all!

Aqua4U
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January 11, 2011 6:07 PM

I’m NOT talking censorship here… I’m talking taking out the trash.

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 9, 2011 6:23 AM

There is one problem with writing up rights or bill of rights. George Carlin sort of hits the nail on the head.

LC

The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 9, 2011 8:40 AM

“Thou shall not kill” should be an absolute, not just a moral choice or used under one’s own prerogatives. These innocent individuals deserve much better!

As the French say; “Des droites devraient être assurées par la constitution de l’état, mais également être moralement obligées par son ensemble des habitants.” I.e. Rights should be assured by the constitution of the State, but also morally obligated by its citizenry.

Frankly. Egalitarianism cannot exist when you hide it behind what amounts to brutal unfettered barbarity.

rtg74
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rtg74
January 9, 2011 7:24 AM
Lawrence, Why is it that the rhetoric always focuses the blame on the Right when things like this happen? The Left uses the same type of rhetoric, yet one never seems to hear any link to events like this. Our president has said, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” He has also said, “Argue With Them, Get In Their Face.” These statements are the same type of thuggery that you claim the right uses. Yet I have yet to see any comments on this from any of the media. The NY Times included Sarah Palin’s “hit list” in reporting the story of the shooting, but no mention of the DCCC’s target list… Read more »
The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 9, 2011 8:15 AM
“This isn’t a political tragedy, it is a tragedy for the nation.” I disagree. It’s a tragedy of the continuing falling standards for respect for others. I.e. Me, me, me, and to go to hell with the rest of you! I here can only go on the facts, and Pima County’s Sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, seems the only one around making sense. If he believes there is an “existence of increasing extremism”, then I agree, because I see it all the time in the media and on the street — in this example and other presumed ‘civilised’ places throughout the world. Also mental illness can be used just as an easy convenient excuse, that can be manipulated as justification… Read more »
Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 9, 2011 9:08 AM

I think Obama’s statement about a fight is more metaphorical than Palin showing Giffords’ picture in crosshairs. Sorry, but the hate rhetoric from the right has been on a crescendo for 20 years. When I was in high school and college none of this stuff was going on.

Sorry, but when I see somebody prate on about far right winged stuff I see a talking form of hate.

LC

The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 9, 2011 9:12 AM

Fair enough.
Either way, it is unacceptable.

rtg74
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rtg74
January 9, 2011 9:52 AM

As I said, it is always “metaphorical” when it comes from the left. I am sure images like the ones here are metaphorical as well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=541660&mesg_id=541685

The truth is that all political parties use that type of imagery and they have for a long time. The people that are looking to gain politically from this tragedy seem to be pointing out Palin’s map as evidence to a non-existant hate agenda from the right.

Emilio
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January 9, 2011 8:20 AM
There is rampant misinformation in US media. Big and the Powerful characters are trying there best to pump in propaganda in to our brain. 60% of Americans “believe” Obama is a foreigner! What does that tell you? “If everyone had a gun there will be no crime.” Are you serous? 100 years ago “EVERYONE” had gun in Wild Wild West. It must have been as peaceful as a haven there then. NO ONE was kill by gun! Right? People who bereave Gun as a salvation are not Americans. They don’t know the history. I don’t know where they came from. Media “do” brainwash people. I mean 99% of scientist knows global warming is taking place. But US media… Read more »
Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 9, 2011 9:11 AM

That is about right. The “birther” stuff is a bed of lies, but it works and spreads the message that “He is not one of us.” The right winged media, in particular Faux News, has become a propaganda machine of lies that would make Goebbels envious.

LC

Messenger
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January 9, 2011 10:25 AM

Lawrence B. Crowell wrote “Giffords was on Palin’s “hit list.”

You’re blaming Sara Palin? You’re almost as big a wacko as the shooter. I suppose if someone shoots Sara Palin you’ll happy to step right up and take responsibility for the shooting due to YOUR political disagreements with her. That’s your line of logic. Don’t have much going on in the reason and rational thinking department, do you?

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
January 10, 2011 5:52 AM
I think the GOP will work to kill Palin’s political aspirations. This puts them in a sticky wicket, for they owe her a favor for the recent midterm election success. However, a good number of GOP ranking members see that she is a loose cannon, lacks the gravitas to become President and is probably not mentally stable. This will cause a riff with the Tea Party nutsos, but the Tea Party is likely to fade into the dark as do all of these highly emotionally charged populist movements. In 10 years the Tea Party will likely be little more than memory and history. Of course there will probably be some follow on “manic-panic” movement next decade or two.… Read more »
The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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January 9, 2011 11:25 AM
Hell. Senator John McCain said, who is the Republican of Arizona; “I am horrified by the violent attack on Representative Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion. I pray for Gabby and the other victims, and for the repose of the souls of the dead and comfort for their families…Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race.” Agree 110%. Frankly, I can’t stand the guy, but his words echo what I’ve already previously said! As for the political motivations here, in the end it will come out in the wash, so to speak. I’ve also noticed… Read more »
Bariman43
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Bariman43
January 10, 2011 1:12 PM

McCain gained 10 point of respect from me just for saying that.

Mudfish
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Mudfish
January 10, 2011 4:11 AM

So your first reaction is to pull out your political soapboxes and bang your one note drum?

Bariman43
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Bariman43
January 10, 2011 1:13 PM

Can we try talking about stuff like this without loading responses with obscure metaphors for once? Christ.

The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
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The Eclectic Exterminator of Stupid Electricians
January 10, 2011 9:44 PM
If you are responding to me here? Perhaps I have got on my soapbox, however, what are you supposed to do in situations like it. Do you let this go too, until it happens again? What concerns me is if this person has something against this Congresswoman or the Judge, well there might be motive even though it is unacceptable by any civilised human being. However, how to you answer for a innocent 9 year old girl, born on the day of unspeakable indiscriminate violence during 9/11, and now is also killed by another almost unspeakable crime? What of her rights, and her loss of her own potential? If you are not outraged by such things, that is… Read more »
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