An Astronomical Perspective on Climate Change

by Steve Nerlich on November 30, 2009

MilankovitchCycles

Ice cores and deep sea bed cores provide the best available record of changes in global temperature and CO2 content of the atmosphere going back 800,000 years. The data shows a clear periodicity in global temperatures which is thought to be linked to the Milankovitch cycle.

Back in 1920, Milutin Milankovitch, a Serbian mathematician, proposed that fine changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun could explain an approximately 100,000 year cycle in glaciation seen from geological evidence. The tilt of the Earth’s axis swings slightly over a 41,000 year cycle – the eccentricity of Earth’s orbit moves from almost circular to more elliptical and back again over a 413,000 year cycle – and overlaying that you have not only the precession of the equinoxes, which is an inherent wobble in the Earth’s axial spin over a 26,000 year cycle, but also a precession of the whole of Earth’s orbit over a 23,000 year cycle.

Ice core data does show a rough concordance between glaciation and the synchronicity of these orbital cycles. Even though there’s no significant change in the mean amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth over the period of its annual orbit – the orbital changes can lead to increased polar shadowing and cooling.

Once ice does start advancing from the poles, a positive feedback loop can develop – since more ice increases the albedo of Earth’s surface and reflects more of the Sun’s heat back into space, thus reducing mean global temperatures.

ice coreIt’s thought that what limits the ice advancing is increasing CO2 in the atmosphere – which can be measured from trapped bubbles of air in the ice cores. More ice formation leads to less exposed land area for photosynthesis and silicate rock weathering to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. So the more ice that’s formed, the more CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere – which causes mean global temperatures to rise, which limits ongoing ice formation.

Of course the opposite is true in an ice-melting phase. Ice melting also follows a positive feedback loop since less ice means less albedo, meaning less solar radiation is reflected back into space and mean global temperatures rise. But again, CO2 becomes the limiting factor. With more exposed land, more CO2 is drawn from the atmosphere by photosynthesizing forests and rock weathering. A consequent drop in atmospheric CO2 cools the planet and hence limits ongoing ice melting.

But there lies the rub. We are in an ice-melting phase of the Milankovitch cycle now, where the Earth’s orbit is closer to circular and the Earth’s tilt is closer to perpendicular. But CO2 levels aren’t declining – partly because we’ve chopped a lot of trees and forests down, but mostly because of anthropogenic CO2 production. Without the limiting factor of declining CO2 we’ve seen in previous Milankovitch cycles, presumably the ice is just going to keep on melting as the albedo of the Earth surface declines.

Projected changes in coastlines with 170 metre sea level riseSo you might want to rethink that next coastal real estate purchase – or hope for the best from Copenhagen.

  • 2ru_press

    CLIMATE CHANGE is trillion dollar cash machine and Hoar. Salacious B. Crumb is not getting dollar of ANY OF IT!

    Who’s the STUPID one now!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    @2RU

    Oh no. They are all going to get me !!!

    Quick all hide under the bed. They might just go away!!

    Oh woe is me!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    Perhaps you missed it, yet again, so here it is again
    @ 2RU
    Climate change is a natural part of what happens to the Earth. The CO2 is measured, and has shown an increase in many decades at almost a linear rate. The changes in CO2 is caused by Man, who is contributing ON TOP OF the natural changes by astronomical means. Ie. Obliquity of the ecliptic (polar tilt), mean distance for the sun, eccentricity of the earth’s output fro the sun, strength of the Earth’s magnetic field, etc.
    Climate change is inevitable, regardless of what you or I think.
    This issue is modification of the climate cab change significantly based on our knowledge of chaos theory. With or without influences by Man the climate can change within decades.With the addition of EXTRA CO2 by Man’s own activities, can make the chaotic system even more chaotic.
    If we are going to continue as a species, humankind must learn how to react and modify the climatic conditions.
    Climate change is more about trying to reduce the risk of extreme climate.
    If you don’t like this agenda, then go live on Venus. It is a planet about the same size as Earth, has an atmosphere and a geology similar to that of Earth, whose environment has had a runaway greenhouse effect, and whose temperature is hotter than the average oven in your kitchen.
    There is no “agenda”, and when it comes to following your path or science – well, I favour science. Who cares if I have to pay 20% more to do anything! At least I know humankind’s survival might be just that little bit better than to have done nothing.
    In actually, the problem with climate change is with the industrialisation of the 1850s. What is worst is the “planned obsolescence” of what we manufacture that has cause the climate problem we have today.
    Just think. if you could just change the tyres (tires) on your car some ten times longer than now, there would be no need to make such drastic changes in climate change policy. Why do tyres (tires) wear out so quickly, because corporations want to keep customers buying types so more can be bought.
    I suggest you read Alvin Toffler. Don’t blame the scientist, blame the co-porations ad the industrial revolution.
    As I said to Mike (jackass) Jackson
    “Blindness is clearly no cover for absolute stupidity.”
    In my opinion, you’re hitting the wrong target!!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    Common sense. ha! Clearly your an absolute genius!!

    All hail the master!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    …. and the jackass want to be “sensible”?

    What a whack-job!

  • 2ru_press

    Global Warming big scientific fad

    More 2ruth! ROLL THE TAPE!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    “Their coming to take me away, ha ha.”

    Remember when you ran away
    And I got on my knees and begged
    You not to leave
    Because I’d go berserk?
    Well!
    You left me anyhow and then
    The days got worse and worse
    And now you see I’ve gone
    Completely out of my mind.

    And

    They’re coming to take me away, Ha-ha
    They’re coming to take me away, Ho-ho
    Hee-hee-haa-haa
    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I’ll be happy to see those
    Nice young men in their clean white coats and
    They’re coming to take me away, ha-ha!

    You thought it was a joke
    and so you laughed, you laughed,
    when I had said that losing you
    would make me flip my lid.
    Right?
    You know you laughed
    I heard you laugh
    You laughed, you laughed
    and laughed and then you left but
    Now you know I’m utterly mad

    And

    They’re coming to take me away, ha-ha,
    They’re coming to take me away, ho-ho,
    hee hee, haa haa
    To the happy home
    With trees and flowers and chirping birds
    And basket-weavers who sit and smile
    And twiddle their thumbs and toes
    And they’re coming to take me away, ha-hahaha…

    I cooked your food, I cleaned your house,
    And this is how you pay me back for
    All my kind, unselfish, loving deeds,
    Hah?
    Well you just wait, they’ll find you yet
    And when they do they’ll put you in the ASPCA you mangy mutt!

    And

    They’re coming to take me away, Ha-ha
    They’re coming to take me away, Ho-ho
    Hee-hee-haa-haa
    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I’ll be happy to see those
    Nice young men in their clean white coats and
    They’re coming to take me away, ha-ha!

    To the happy home
    With trees and flowers and chirping birds
    And basket-weavers who sit and smile
    And twiddle their thumbs and toes
    And they’re coming to take me away, ha-hahaha…

    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I’ll be happy to see those
    Nice young men in their clean white coats and
    They’re coming to take me away, ha-ha!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    …sound familiar?

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    The fate of the world via youtube…

    Now how totally looney tunes is that??

  • 2ru_press

    Perhaps you missed it, yet again, so here it is again.

    “The changes in CO2 is caused by Man, who is contributing ON TOP OF the natural changes by astronomical means. With or without influences by Man the climate can change within decades.With the addition of EXTRA CO2 by Man’s own activities, can make the chaotic system even more chaotic.”

    Your are misguided and there is no real science to prove that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    All this time, and he though he was the only one who was a looney tune.

    Perhaps you missed it, yet again, so here it is again
    @ 2RU
    Climate change is a natural part of what happens to the Earth. The CO2 is measured, and has shown an increase in many decades at almost a linear rate. The changes in CO2 is caused by Man, who is contributing ON TOP OF the natural changes by astronomical means. Ie. Obliquity of the ecliptic (polar tilt), mean distance for the sun, eccentricity of the earth’s output fro the sun, strength of the Earth’s magnetic field, etc.
    Climate change is inevitable, regardless of what you or I think.
    This issue is modification of the climate cab change significantly based on our knowledge of chaos theory. With or without influences by Man the climate can change within decades.With the addition of EXTRA CO2 by Man’s own activities, can make the chaotic system even more chaotic.
    If we are going to continue as a species, humankind must learn how to react and modify the climatic conditions.
    Climate change is more about trying to reduce the risk of extreme climate.
    If you don’t like this agenda, then go live on Venus. It is a planet about the same size as Earth, has an atmosphere and a geology similar to that of Earth, whose environment has had a runaway greenhouse effect, and whose temperature is hotter than the average oven in your kitchen.
    There is no “agenda”, and when it comes to following your path or science – well, I favour science. Who cares if I have to pay 20% more to do anything! At least I know humankind’s survival might be just that little bit better than to have done nothing.
    In actually, the problem with climate change is with the industrialisation of the 1850s. What is worst is the “planned obsolescence” of what we manufacture that has cause the climate problem we have today.
    Just think. if you could just change the tyres (tires) on your car some ten times longer than now, there would be no need to make such drastic changes in climate change policy. Why do tyres (tires) wear out so quickly, because corporations want to keep customers buying types so more can be bought.
    I suggest you read Alvin Toffler. Don’t blame the scientist, blame the co-porations ad the industrial revolution.
    As I said to Mike (jackass) Jackson
    “Blindness is clearly no cover for absolute stupidity.”
    In my opinion, you’re hitting the wrong target!!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    Ice cores and deep sea bed cores provide the best available record of changes in global temperature and CO2 content of the atmosphere going back 800,000 years. The data shows a clear periodicity in global temperatures which is thought to be linked to the Milankovitch cycle.
    Back in 1920, Milutin Milankovitch, a Serbian mathematician, proposed that fine changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun could explain an approximately 100,000 year cycle in glaciation seen from geological evidence. The tilt of the Earth’s axis swings slightly over a 41,000 year cycle – the eccentricity of Earth’s orbit moves from almost circular to more elliptical and back again over a 413,000 year cycle – and overlaying that you have not only the precession of the equinoxes, which is an inherent wobble in the Earth’s axial spin over a 26,000 year cycle, but also a precession of the whole of Earth’s orbit over a 23,000 year cycle.
    Ice core data does show a rough concordance between glaciation and the synchronicity of these orbital cycles. Even though there’s no significant change in the mean amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth over the period of its annual orbit – the orbital changes can lead to increased polar shadowing and cooling.
    Once ice does start advancing from the poles, a positive feedback loop can develop – since more ice increases the albedo of Earth’s surface and reflects more of the Sun’s heat back into space, thus reducing mean global temperatures.

    Must be something right here, or is this an illusion too…

    ..but of course some other jackass knows better..

    I wonder what a total dumbo would conclude?

    Certainly not RU-486 here, eh??

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    So What!!
    Ba da da da da da

  • 2ru_press

    WIKIpedia is not right all time idiot.

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    2ru_press or RU-486 is not right all time idiot.

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    ONE WORD…
    RU-486 GATE..
    Take “RU-486gate” at Penn State. That’s what people are calling the controversy surrounding leaked E-mails among climate change researchers that climate change opponents say expose the researchers’ fstealing of data. One jackass known as RU-4886 (aka 2RU_press) is involved in the scandal.
    The Penn State administration plans to investigate RU-486gate and determine if it needs to take further action, the Daily Collegian reports. A little more than a week ago, E-mails exchanged among an English university’s climate change researchers were legally obtained from a jackass and posted online, the report says.
    Jackasses like RU-486 opponents say the E-mails indicate that researchers changed —including Penn State RU-486 —exaggerated or fabricated global warming data. And, according to the report, some E-mails indicate that the jackass in question may have contacted researchers and asked them to “Keep certain E-mails.” (in case he didn’t understand them)

    Needless to say RU-486 is being investigated for FRAUD, and jackassery in the highest order.

    “We’ll bury the criminal”, one authority said…

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    Penn State officials, who will openly discuss the matter, are investigating RU-486. If anything requires further inspection, the school will handle it, a spokesman tells the Daily Collegian. A panel will read every E-mail in the entire world and determine if climate change critics have any ground for their accusations, the report says.
    “I would be disappointed if the university wasn’t doing all [it] can to get as much information as possible” about the controversy, Mann tells the Daily Collegian.

    “However”, they said, “it might take several hundreds f billions of years to do. by then it won’t matter either way!”

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    A climate change fake has finally proved that climate change fakes are fake!

  • Hon. Salacious B. Crumb

    Looks like persistence is the ultimate reward…

  • Lawrence B. Crowell

    2RU_press is in deep — maybe.

    What intrigues me is extent to which these denialist folks will passionately argue their case, even if things really don’t look favorable for them. Believe me I wish this was not happening. For that matter if we could burn up more fossil fuels, and they were nearly eternally available and further there were none of these consequences I would be perfectly happy. But that does not appear to be what is happening.

    I am not passionate about global warming either. This does appear to be happening, we will probably see more of it if there are no changes and we will face the consequences as a result. On an abstract level maybe we will just be one of many intelligent life species in the universe that snuff themselves out. In the end, nobody outside of ourselves really cares.

    Philosophy is a subject where questions are posed that have can’t be answered, and religion is a subject where answers are posed which can’t be questioned. When ever people passionately argue for “the truth” and behave in unfortunate ways when challenged you have to suspect this is a case of religion — even if just secularized religion. The problem we face is that the political right has erected market economics as not just some presumed optimal system, but as something that is “the truth,” or a matter of natural law on a near equal status with Newton’s work. Global warming threatens this little belief system, for it tells us that ultimately, in the words of Ira Gershwin, “It ain’t necessarily so.”

    Anyone who cares to read these blog entries with some unbiased assessment of who is behaving properly should conclude that the AGW deniers are “shouting” a whole lot. This is a funny trend, which has many examples in history, where people will passionately defend their viewpoints (even go on the attack), when it becomes clear at least in retrospect they were setting up a dress rehearsal for some impending disaster. To say that AGW is completely false is to say we need to do nothing about this. Yet I just heard a report that this decade, in spite of a slowing of the warming trend, is hotter than last decade, which was hotter than the one before. Are they seriously prepared to assert they are so right that we can ignore the prospect of methane hydrate melting, or permafrost melting which could in a few decades accelerate warming trends enormously? Are they so committed to the idea they have the truth they are will passionately argue we need not be concerned about potential ecosystem collapses because of rapid climate shifts — with impacts on agriculture? Do these people ever have second thoughts as they kneel down before a bronze statue of Milton Friedmann — even maybe just a little bit of doubt that they might not be as certain about things as their gurus tell them?

    Lawrence B. Crowell

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