lhc_welding_700.thumbnail.jpg

Hawaiian Man Files Lawsuit Against the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)

28 Mar , 2008 by

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is set to go online in May of this year. This magnificent machine will accelerate particles and collide them at such high energies that scientists expect to make some of the biggest discoveries ever about the very small (exotic sub-atomic particles) and the very large (the structure of the Universe itself).

But not everyone is happy. Particle accelerators have always been the source of controversy; at the end of the day, we can only predict the outcome of the LHC experiments. But what if scientists have overlooked something? What if the theories are wrong? A guy living on the other side of the planet to the LHC believes the world may come to an end and he’s begun filing a lawsuit against the completion of the accelerator. The concern? A massive black hole might be created, or vast amounts of antimatter will destroy the Earth. And where’s the scientific basis for all this panic? Hmmm… didn’t think so…

Through fear that the LHC is going to unleash death and destruction on the world, Walter Wagner from Hawaii has filed a lawsuit against an impressive array of defendants. The U.S. Department of Energy, the Fermilab particle-accelerator near Chicago, CERN and the National Science Foundation (NSF) are all named.

Wagner and his associate Luis Sancho have a pretty dubious (and quite frankly, weak) argument against the LHC, as they describe in the lawsuit:

The compression of the two atoms colliding together at nearly light speed will cause an irreversible implosion, forming a miniature version of a giant black hole. […] Any matter coming into contact with it would fall into it and never be able to escape. Eventually, all of earth would fall into such growing micro-black-hole, converting earth into a medium-sized black hole, around which would continue to orbit the moon, satellites, the ISS, etc.” Walter F. Wagner and Luis Sancho lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Honolulu.

There is no evidence to suggest that colliding particles will create a black hole that will swallow the planet. I do however like their description that the International Space Station will continue to orbit the Earth-mass black hole – at least we’ll have somewhere to hide as the rampaging black hole eats the ground from under us!

The credentials of the plaintiffs are also pretty sketchy. Wagner has worked in nuclear medicine and has a minor degree in physics from Berkley, but he has nothing more advanced than that. His colleague Sancho has an even more sketchy physics background.

Wagner wants the opening of the LHC to be delayed until further safety studies are carried out. Its cases like these that scientists have had to combat for many years. Unfounded predictions of the “end of the world” and fear of the unknown have been published only to be debunked through correct scientific thinking. If the world listened to alarmists such as Wagner and co, we would advance no further.

I for one hope that the LHC does produce micro-black holes. I hope that this time next year we’ll be looking in awe at images of particle tracks from the sensors at the LHC showing the point of creation and the point of evaporation of micro-black holes. Peering very closely we see particle emission as if from nowhere, the evaporating particles from the tiny event horizon. The image will be entitled Hawking Radiation Experiment.

Even if the accelerator energies are not high enough to create mini-black holes, thereby giving Stephen Hawking some experimental evidence for his radiation, we are pretty sure we’ll find some other exotic and exciting particles to help us understand our universe a little bit better. We might gain a better grasp of other dimensions, detect some exotic particles, and lets not forget the possibility of discovering the Higgs Boson.

If we give into the fear of the unknown, scientific advancement will be stopped in its tracks and we may be restricted to scratching at the surface of space-time and string theory, rather than physically proving its existence with tools like the LHC.

Source: FOXnews.com


Sort by:   newest | oldest | most voted
greg your last name
Guest
greg your last name
March 28, 2008 6:52 PM

i actually laughed out loud, not LOLed to this article. what a ridiculous lawsuit. move on ahead. i cant wait for the results of this experiment. how exciting.

Qev
Member
Qev
March 28, 2008 6:53 PM

I wish people would think and do even the tiniest amount of basic research before leaping to file ridiculous lawsuits like this one.

Particle events far, far more energetic than anything the LHC could ever achieve occur thousands of times a day in the upper atmosphere, thanks to cosmic rays. These have been happening for the entire 4.5 billion year history of the Earth, and as far as I’m aware, not once has a black hole consumed the entire planet.

Chuck
Guest
Chuck
March 28, 2008 7:40 PM

If the world can be so easily destroyed then it’s going to happen fairly soon anyway. Might as well make it now so I can watch.

Tom
Member
March 28, 2008 7:44 PM

I love “miniature version of a giant block hole”. So… a miniature black hole then…

Talk about weighted phrasing.

Tom
Member
March 28, 2008 7:44 PM

Er.. “black hole”

geokstr
Member
geokstr
March 28, 2008 8:13 PM

This just goes to prove that there are too many lawyers. Here is a great site that tracks nitwit lawsuits like this:

overlawyered.com

And another that follows the junk science underlying a lot of the bizarre (and highly profitable) legal actions:

junkscience.com

(global warmongers should avoid the second site, as it covers the reams of science against it that, of course, does not really exist.)

PHWilson
Guest
PHWilson
March 29, 2008 4:12 AM

I hope this nutty lawsuit has a little more fuel left. A larger dialogue on the theoretical possibility of creating a sub-atomic blackhole would help elevate the issue.

Doesn’t this lead to the possibility of seeing the results of a blackhole fully fed?

mike g
Guest
mike g
March 28, 2008 9:16 PM

wow this guy sounds like another looney that is organizing the global lie of global warming. tisk tisk tisk. he’s searching for his own manbearpig.
just a quick question, if a particle accelerator did happen to create a black hole, wouldn’t it be a very very very very let’s add some more verys, small black hole, not a giant black hole? i mean it would take some time for it to suck in some matter before it became a super massive black hole.

Emission Nebula
Member
March 28, 2008 10:14 PM

Ha ha, I love manbear pig. Didnt the professor from Futurama invent something like this?

shinace
Member
shinace
March 29, 2008 12:02 AM

A black hole that size *might* suck in matter if it is really lucky. It should flash boil like a drop of water in a very hot skillet.

Andy
Guest
Andy
March 29, 2008 1:04 AM
While the LHC experiment sounds safe enough, when compared to the effects of cosmic rays in the ionosphere, bear in mind that when the Atom bomb and Hydrogen bomb were first blasted, a finite possibility remained an atmospheric chain reaction could enuse. This was ruled out by mathematical calculations, though, given human fallability, what right does anyone have to conduct an experiment with the entire Earth? Bearing these uncertainties in mind, there is little doubt the other experiment going on at present, namely elevation of the atmospheric CO2 by some 37 percent relative to the last one million years (the Pleistocene), is having seriously deleterious effects on the atmosphere and the biosphere. Given that to be human is… Read more »
baley
Guest
baley
March 29, 2008 2:35 AM

LOL that’s too funny!
LHC creating a black holes? That’s terminally stupid!

QED
Guest
QED
March 29, 2008 5:50 AM
Super Nature VS Super Mankind Science I detect arrogance here. Scientists study natural things like animals sensory abilities like bats (radar) , snakes (infrared) ,humming birds etc because humans are not creative enough to understand and create the bedrock of Super Nature..so they are merely copy cats … like Scientist s know the tip of an Ice Berg and not the final true bedrock of ultimate knowledge. So maybe there are gaps in their knowledge of all the underlying equations describing the Universe. We can never know the final bedrock equations describing the laws of physics. We may never know all of the laws of physics and really may only be able to approximate them or copy them… Read more »
Mek
Guest
March 29, 2008 7:53 AM

QED, we know so because, as the article states, there have been a hell of a lot more violent and energetic particle collisions in our very own planet’s upper atmosphere for millions of years, and yet Earth is not a black hole. If black holes are generated (I confess no knowledge about certainty the theory behind micro-holes) in those collisions, they do not last.

I’m not sure what your point about math and physics is, but I must note that discoveries in physics come from experiment and/or observation, not just pure mathematical conjecture, critical as they are to science.

hosna
Guest
hosna
March 29, 2008 7:57 AM

bah bah! bah bah!=D>

photon
Member
photon
March 29, 2008 8:18 AM

Maybe the gentleman who suggested that a black hole would be formed would be sucked in first.

His concerns parallel, anxiety about polywater or similar hogwash and/or the concern that nuclear explosions in the atmosphere would set off an uncontrolled chain reaction detonating the world in the early 50’s when nuclear weapons were being developed.

lomitus
Member
lomitus
March 29, 2008 8:36 AM
While I will admit that Wagner’s theory may very well be totally unfounded, I would like to say two words…”global warming”. To this day many people still insist that there is no evidence to support the belief that global warming is real…despite the fact that our polar ice caps are melting. While I’m not saying that we need to “give in to fear of the unknown”, I do think that when we’re talking about an issue that could have global ramifications no matter how small the possibility, that just maybe it’s better to “error on the side of caution”. It’s one thing to blow up your house or your lab in an “experiment” but taking out the whole… Read more »
HoHo
Guest
HoHo
March 29, 2008 9:12 AM

Why worry about a black ho? It’s the white ones you need to be afraid of — they’re much greedier.

Earthbound
Guest
Earthbound
March 29, 2008 9:53 AM

Love it. Who would stand to gain from his lawsuit, anyway? I suppose all of Earth and all that involves. He’s a HERO!

Reminds me of that nut who sued NASA for disrupting the path of Wild2 with Stardust. Wonder what ever came of that.

HoHo: I just ordered some skinny white hose online. Super flexible.

QED
Guest
QED
March 29, 2008 10:17 AM
I refer to the Mathematical /Physics which Albert Einstein created or discovered as well as the Pure Mathematics sometimes used to solve difficult problems in applied Mathematics. I refer also the to Abstract Mathematics such as Algebraic Topology and Group Theory and Logic within Philosophy. A little background …. An example : “This sentence is false” If its false its true and vice versa… and so …a Paradox. Russel’s Paradox and the above paradox worried Mathematicians like Rusell , Whitehead and Hilbert . Kurt Godel was a Physicist and Philosopher and Logician and Einstein’s close friend at the Princeton Center for Advanced Studies . Godel used Logic and Group Theory to solve his Incompleteness Theorem in 1932 which… Read more »
wpDiscuz