2012: Planet X is not Nibiru
Written by Ian O'Neill
The Solar System's outer reaches still contain many minor planets yet to be discovered. Ever since the search for Planet X began in the early 20th Century, the possibility of a hypothetical planet orbiting the Sun beyond the Kuiper Belt has fuelled many Doomsday theories and speculation that Planet X is actually the Sun's long lost binary sibling. But why the fear about the Planet X/Doomsday combination? Surely Planet X is just an unknown, hypothetical object and nothing sinister?
Related 2012 articles:
- 2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal (posted October 3rd 2008)
- 2012: No Killer Solar Flare (posted June 21st 2008)
- 2012: Planet X Is Not Nibiru (posted June 19th 2008)
- 2012: No Planet X (posted May 25th 2008)
- No Doomsday in 2012 (posted May 19th 2008)
As I've previously discussed in "2012: No Planet X", doomsayers have linked the modern day search for Planet X, the ancient Mayan 2012 Prophecy and the Sumerian mythical planet Nibiru, culminating in bad news for December 21st 2012. However, the astronomical evidence for these links is seriously flawed.
Yesterday (Wednesday, June 18th), Japanese researchers announced news that their theoretical search for a large mass in the outer Solar System has produced results. From their calculations, there might just be a planet, possibly a bit bigger than a Plutoid but certainly smaller than Earth orbiting beyond 100 AU from the Sun. But before we get carried away, this is not Nibiru, this is not proof of the end of the world in 2012; it is a new and very exciting development in the search for minor planets beyond the Kuiper Belt…
In a new theoretical simulation, two Japanese researchers have deduced that the outermost reaches of the Solar System may contain an undiscovered planet. Patryk Lykawka and Tadashi Mukai of Kobe University have published a paper in the Astrophysical Journal detailing a minor planet that they believe may be interacting with the mysterious Kuiper Belt.
Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs)
The Kuiper Belt occupies a huge region of space, approximately 30-50 AU from the Sun. It contains a vast number of rocky and metallic objects, the largest known body being the dwarf planet (or "Plutoid") Eris. It has been known for many years that the Kuiper Belt has a few strange characteristics that may signal the presence of another large planetary body orbiting the Sun beyond the Kuiper Belt. One such feature is the aptly named "Kuiper Cliff" that occurs at 50 AU. This is an abrupt end to the Kuiper Belt, very few Kuiper Belt objects (or KBOs) have been observed beyond this point. This cliff cannot be attributed to orbital resonances with massive planets such as Neptune, and there doesn't appear to be any obvious observational error. Many astronomers believe that such a sharp cut-off in KBO population may be due to an as-yet to be discovered planet, possibly as large as Earth. This is an object Lykawka and Mukai believe they have calculated to exist.
This Japanese research predicts a large object, 30-70% the mass of the Earth, orbiting at a distance of around 100-200 AU from the Sun. This object may also help explain why some KBOs and tran-Neptunian objects (TNOs) have some strange orbital characteristics (such as Sedna).
Ever since Pluto was discovered in 1930, astronomers have been looking for another more massive body that could explain the orbital perturbations observed in the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. This search became known as the "search for Planet X", which literally meant the "search for an as yet unidentified planet." In the 1980's these perturbations were put down to observational error. Therefore, the modern-day scientific search for Planet X is the search for a large KBO or a minor planet beyond. Although Planet X may not be larger than the mass of the Earth, researchers are still very excited about finding more KBOs, possibly the size of a Plutoid, possibly a little bigger, but not much bigger.
"The interesting thing for me is the suggestion of the kinds of very interesting objects that may yet await discovery in the outer solar system. We are still scratching the edges of that region of the solar system, and I expect many surprises await us with the future deeper surveys." - Mark Sykes, Director of the Planetary Science Institute in Arizona.
Planet X is not scary
So where does Nibiru come in? Back in 1976 a controversial book called "The Twelfth Planet" was written by Zecharia Sitchin. Sitchin had interpreted some ancient Sumerian cuneiform texts (the earliest known form of writing) as a literal translation of the origin of humankind. These 6000 year old texts apparently reveal that an alien race known as the Anunnaki travelled to Earth on a planet called Nibiru. It's a long and involved story, but in a nutshell, the Anunnaki genetically modified primates on Earth to create homo sapiens to be their slaves. (I just worked out where the storyline for Kurt Russell's 1994 movie Stargate probably came from…)
When the Anunnaki left Earth, they let us rule the planet until they return. All this may seem a little fantastical, and perhaps a little too detailed when considering it is a literal translation from 6000 year old texts. Sitchin's work has been disregarded by the scientific community as many of his methods of interpretation are considered imaginative at best. Nevertheless, many people have taken Sitchin's work literally, and believe Nibiru (in its highly eccentric orbit around the Sun) will be returning, possibly as soon as 2012 to cause all sorts of terror and destruction here on Earth. It is important to note here that I am not calling into question any archaeological, spiritual or historic evidence for Nibiru, I am simply pointing out the link between the 2012 Doomsday Planet X theory is based on very dubious astronomical "discoveries"; if this is the case, how can Planet X be considered to be the embodiment of Nibiru?
Then there's the IRAS "discovery of a brown dwarf in the outer Solar System" in 1984 and the "NASA announcement of a 4-8 Earth mass planet travelling toward Earth" in 1993. Doomsayers (often with a book to sell) cling on to these astronomical discoveries as proof that Nibiru is in fact the Planet X astronomers have been searching for over the last century. Not only that, by manipulating the facts about these scientific studies, they "prove" that Nibiru is travelling toward us, and by 2012, this massive body will pass through the inner Solar System, causing all sorts of gravitational damage. For more information on this topic, see "2012: No Planet X."
In its purest form, Planet X is an unknown, theoretically possible planet orbiting peacefully beyond the Kuiper Belt. If yesterday's announcement does lead to the observation of a planet or Plutoid, it will be an incredible discovery that will help to shed some light on the evolution and characteristics of the mysterious outer reaches of the Solar System.
But as I write, I can guarantee that doomsayers are adapting this new research to be used as support for their nonsensical theories that Planet X is in fact Nibiru, and it's coming in our direction by 2012. Why do I get the feeling we'll still be here in the year 2013?
Leading image credits: MIT (supernova simulation), NASA (Pluto and Charon). Effects and editing: myself.
Filed under: 2012, Earth, Pluto
June 19th, 2008 at 8:13 am
not to be nit-picky to an otherwise good article, but isn't Eris the largest Dwarf-Planet/Plutoid/KBO?
June 19th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Hi JakeL - you're right, thanks for picking up on that. Changed now. Poor old Pluto
Cheers Ian
June 19th, 2008 at 8:59 am
what I dont get is how can we detect planets millions of light years away and yet we cant see one in our own neighborhood.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Millions of light years away? Was any of the microlensing planets that distant? I doubt it, although it's possible, I guess. By that method objects are detectable at very long distances.
Anway, the reason we have a tougher time finding out some things in our neighborhood than their distant equivalents is the same reason why we know a whole lot better what's the global structure of faraway galaxies than our own. It's not as easy to study many things from the inside than it is from the outside. To know what's the shape of a distant galaxy we just have to look at it, wereas we need to make all sorts of inferences and deep studies to understand how the stars that surround us build up the Milky Way.
And the methods used to detect extrasolar planets are simply impossible to use to detect anything we still haven't found in our system. We only have sun transits of Mercury and Venus (and the Moon, of course), which we've known about for ever, and the tug distant and small planets exhert in the Sun is totally undetectable.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:46 am
This article is talking about objects 100 AU out - what's the furthest out any of the detected extrasolar plantes are?
June 19th, 2008 at 10:07 am
@jorge
True statement. As an example, just look at the various estimates for the number of stars in the Milky Way. I have seen 100B, 200B, and 400B (never 300B…wonder why?) as estimates for the Milky Way's star count. It is definitely easier to work from outside than inside.
BTW, what's the current concensus for the number of stars in the Milky Way?
- Mikel
June 19th, 2008 at 10:32 am
@Colin
According to the Extrasolar Planets Encyclopedia, a few non-stellar bodies have been found ar greater distances from their primary, but they are all very large objects, 14Mj and more. The record is at 670 AU.
Then, there's a 4Mj planet at 46 AU and a 2.5Mj planet at 23 AU, but this one orbits a pulsar, not a star.
The bulk of extrasolar planetary detections, however (almost 300 now), goes upto 5 AU, more or less where Jupiter is. Our system has 3 more giant planets beyond that…
June 19th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Astronomy is so Damn Cool.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
As my father says, and he is wise enough at 105 to have outlive many friends and relatives, "the End of Civilization and the World is the day you die."
Challenge that scientifically, not with religious masturbations.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
We can detect extrasolar planets because, so far, they are massive and close to their stars, and thus affect the stars in ways we can detect from a long, long way away. (i.e. by passing in front of a star changing it's apparent brightness or tugging on the position of the star causing it's motion to wobble).
Conversely planets out in the Kuiper Belt are tiny, dark, and cold and slip through the darkness without affecting anything around them, so they are very much harder to detect even if they are thousands of times closer than exoplanets.
Plus we know where to look for exoplanets — we study nearby stars and can focus on them. That's just not possible with Plutoids and then there's millions of background stars that get in the way too.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
By the way, Sitchen is a fool, but not so foolish that he hasn't been able to make a very nice living peddling his nonsense to his credulous readers.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Every 6,000 years, planet Nibura comes back into the main solar system and basically destroys it.
By my math, planet Nibura has destroyed the solar system 75.7 million times so far.
June 19th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Damn, that is a lot of destruction.. And our planet has managed to coalesce and thrive so quickly!
I recently returned from the Grand Canyon (again), and it makes me think.. That is some impressive work for just 6000 years. I suppose that if I stay there for just a few days I should see it happening before my eyes.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Those Heavens Gaters should have waited. It wasn't Comet Hale-Bopp they should have offed themselves for, it was Planet X.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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June 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
As my father says, and he is wise enough at 105 to have outlive many friends and relatives, "the End of Civilization and the World is the day you die."
Challenge that scientifically, not with religious masturbations."
You made the claim - so the burden of proof is on you. Prove it scientifically, without resorting to philosophical masturbations, and I might hear him out.
But yeah, it's the end of the universe as far as the dead person is concerned alright.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
As much as Im not a religious nut in any way shape or form, truth is death may not be the end of the universe for a person. It may just be another chapter in a beings existence.
And another theory I would like to suggest. Maybe Nibiru is the flying spagehtti monster.
The entire idea of an object the size of earth rolling through the solar system is simply hysterical. There is no way an object that size would survive travelling through the asteroid belt, let alone not leave any evidence that is hasn't disrupted anything around it.
It fits right in with the theory of how the universe is only 11000 light years across and we were put here in modern society. What a joke
June 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I enjoy philosophically masturbating… What a climax!!!
June 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Steve -
Although this Nibiru thing is of course farce, a dumb idea, any knowledgeable person knows it, it is my understanding that in the asteroid belt the appreciable objects are separated on an average of a million miles or so.. So…. And if you put all of that material together it would be smaller than our moon (from what I remember).. But artists' renditions always look cool.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I agree Al,
But the fact Im trying to point out is, there would be a large amount of gravitational disturance on the rocks. Although the object in question may not directly hit an asteriod, it is certainly going to cause a large disturbance over an area larger than a million kilometers. If the earth can hold a body the size of the moon at 1/4 that distance, a rock that is only a few km in diamter is going to have either its orbit significantly changed, or be shot out it period. Same goes for any objects within a relatively close distance…say 5million miles.
Im just saying the evidence would be there to easily detect an object causing a major disturbance in the field
June 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Oops! Almost forgot…. Don't forget about the Space Mirrors!!
June 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Of course… I was just saying that there really isn't any point to try to rationalize with the 'believers'.. It is a ridiculous idea and we know it.. But no harm in having fun with it..
June 19th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Any possibilities that larger actual planets, say Earth to Jovian size, do exist, but in the Oort Cloud? I would think that if they were far enough away, they would have little impact on the orbits of the known planets, and if they didn't emit light of any kind, they wouldn't be detectable with our current technology. I recall reading somewhere not that long ago that some astronomers hypothesize a potential binary companion to the sun, a red or brown dwarf, but so far out that it had an orbital period of many millions of years.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
I'm not an expert on such things but my opinion (if you care) is that I think it could be possible for a body (or bodies) that size to be out there. We don't know enough yet. There may even be something significant just past the Kuiper belt. It seems that the belt abruptly stops at a certain distance. Usually means that something has cleared a path.. Who knows? I'm a bit more skeptical of us being part of a binary system, though. No physical data from what I know.. Just my thoughts for what it's worth..
June 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
What did I do to deserve my comments getting erased? Were my ideas to complex? I was just stirring up controversy. I'll sound a little more scientific. I strongly agree with some people on here when they were talking about how Nibiru destroyed the earth many times and then it repaired itself. When put like that Nibiru seems like another lie.
June 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Where's Rusty?
June 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Hi Mars, I started deleting your comments because you're spamming. You are coming into my house (Universe Today), and then making the resource I make freely available to readers to use as your own personal communications platform. Start your own website if you want a way to communicate your philosophies to the public. If you were making on-topic comments about specific stories, that would be fine, but you've clearly got an ax to grind, across many stories. And many of your comments are longer than the stories themselves. Really… go start a blog of your own.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Cain
Alright man. Your right. I hadn't a clue that you took things so seriously.
June 19th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
You speak about disregarding of Sitchin's work and especially of Nibiru's existence. Who and when, what exactly was disregarded!? Nonsence. There are even more exact written works about Nibirus arrivals to perihelia, -times of global destructions, floods,…. Egyptian Texts from pyramids, Senmut astronomical map, Denderas zodiac, predynastic paletten. Chinese funneral banner from tomb of markisa Tai, writting on stone, where even desalination of land after global flood is described, where it is written that China was flooded till level of everlasting snow (sure more than 2000m),….
These "official" articles simply disregard historical facts,….
June 19th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Nibiru has enough historical proof for its existence but there are also geological proofs. - Sediments and especially ice core researches-where probes from ice speak clear-there were big sudden temperature shifts in Greenland-till 20 deg C - 11000years B.C., 9500B.C., there were regular circa 1500y. long interwals among temperature,…changes. These dates are in coincidence with Plato, Meneto data about end/destruction of Atlantis.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Nibiru is very probably not somewhere behind distant planetoids but very probably is approaching to perihelia, is less then 1,8 billion km from us!!!!
Planets are configured on their orbits so that, Nibiru came close to orbits, positions of Pluto, Neptune in circa 1985,…close to Uranus arround 2002.
Nibiru cames to orbit of Saturn-2009, to Jupiter-2011, to us 2012. Perihelias, aphelias, nodes on orbits, planes of orbits have such inclinations, directions that this time is probable for Nibirus arrival to perihelia/periastron!!!!
Nibiru is probably something like neutron star, mini black gole,….very small but heavy-till 25Masses of Jupiter. so Nibiru, also according old texts is visible only when is closer than Jupiter. Maybe it is regarded for asteroid/because its small dimensions,….Depictions of Nibiru from ancient times show that it is really so.
All bigger planetoids behind Pluto, Pluto, Neptune included are close to their perihelias, aphelia—it is clear sign that it is only projection of our opposite motion toward incoming Nibiru-to real orbits of those planetoids. Probability that this is only coincidence is less than 1:100000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 2008 at 3:35 am
i was actually tempted to write something to that last response - but i guess it's just a waste of time,
beliefs of whatever kind are rock solid and mostly unchangeable - only by experience maybe, so why bother
June 20th, 2008 at 5:54 am
ntoskrnl—Do you have solution why are all bigger planetoids behind Pluto in perihelias, or aphelias????!!!!
No, No, No and all X sceptics too only No, No, No,
But I have and it is CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 2008 at 10:29 am
My few comments that I have about Niribu is simple.
First, personally I think that Sitchin’s work is interesting and fun stuff, and it may lead to nothing but a farce, but hey…if you actually read his work, some of it is quite educating. At least from a historical perspective. The fact is, whether Sitchin is crazy or not, he was passionate to do an extraordinary amount of research. Whenever reading anything like that I always check the bibliography and then check the references. It’s an anal retentive thing. Anyhow, the man did his research. Period.
So, as to what I believe, I personally believe in the prophesy's of 2012, though I do not think that it as extreme as the extremists portray. As a scientist I have come to find that usually any real truth tends to gravitate towards a center/middle ground. The grey of the road. So will something happen. Sure…something will most definitely happen. Lol…but will it be a doomsday, maybe, but probably not to the extent many believe. My place on it is I live everyday in the now, but the Mayans where on to something. I mean 3,000 year ago these guys were able to do things that just recently in our modern advancements have become available to us. (by modern I say the last 100 years) I was also a boy scout…laugh all you want….and I was taught to be prepared. So, I take anything I hear seriously until I can prove it wrong. In my opinion it’s ignorant not to. Plus, another way I look at I is simply this: come 12/21/2012 if nothing happens….Great! but by chance something does happen, and I’m not prepared, or at least educated on what is happening, and my children look to me and say, “Dad, what’s going on?†and I tell them…I can imagine that the next question will fall very closely to this, “You knew? Why didn’t you do something about it?â€
It’s that simple folks. I am not about to look my children in the eye, at any point in their lives, and stand see the horror that may arise because of something I could have done, and chose not to because I thought it was ridiculous. That would be idiotic. Period.
So any theory that comes out, or prophecy told, you better believe that I do my research. I do so for the sake of my children and the rest of my friends and family. And of course, in the end, maybe it will come of nothing…But if it does, I want to be as ready as possible.
And what have I gotten out of all my research….well it’s a lot…and niribu and 2012 and all of it, may not be as crazy as it sounds. As for Niribu, it’s unlikely, as for many other things, well, the proof on close to the fence, but gradually, every month or so, through new things I find, moves further away from that fence line and closer to Prophecies Side.
Take my two cents for what it’s worth…
Peace!
June 20th, 2008 at 10:30 am
The sad thing is, the guy is only 4 years away from the shattering of his delusions.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Please excuse the typos…I'm working on no sleep! Be Well
June 20th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Jorge,
Whether that comment is directed at me or anyone…if they truly are delusional then the destuction of those delusions is a blessing. Nothing to be sad about.
LOL…and I'll use it hear, but there have been many in science who have had there set of "delsuions" and came out on the positive end for believing in them. Einstein with relativity. Wright brother with the plane, columbus with world round and all that. "Delusions" I tell you. lol….If you had told a person 100 years ago that we would be able to send particales at super high speads so that they come crashing into each other exposing possibly the miracles of the creation of the universe, many would have said "delusional". It is all relative brother. Remember that. Peace be with you.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Well, my comment was a reply to ntoskrnl, which referred to Pavel Smutny. You're a bit less delusional than he is. But you're still very delusional if you really think there's anything in Stitchin worth paying attention to. From false information to logical non-sequiturs, from claims without the least shred of evidence to support them to all sorts of pseudoscientific nonsense that contradicts pretty much everything we know about how the universe actually works, there's everything in the guy's so-called "work".
Stitchin is a crank with the same level of crankiness of the "face of Mars" crowd or some I found on the web a while back with a webpage claiming that Titan is full of life, conspirationally hidden (of course!) by NASA.
A lunatic, in short.
And no, I won't discuss this idiocy any further. I much prefer waiting and seing what (doesn't) happen 4 years from now. I've survived unscathed several "armageddons" already, and the only thing that I learned from them was how crappy all that crap really is, and how unwilling to learn some people are. Crackpots simply refuse to let some soundness enter their paranoid minds, and jump doomfully from armageddon to armageddon while the rest of us shake our heads in disbelief and live on, untouched by any of the successive ends the world has met.
The next one is in 2012? Bring it on! I'm curious to see that idiocy you people will hatch to scare the clueless and the morons from 2013 onwards.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
amazing !
June 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
IAN ;
It was wonderful to read your review of Zecharia Sitchin's book "The Twelfth Planet" .
It is especially helpful for those who may not know any of the assumptions, interpretations and conjectures Sitchin has made from his translations of the Bible, Dead Sea Scrolls,and other ancient texts.
He seems to be at least more credible than many others such as Erich Von Daniken .
The Anunakai mentioned in the Sumerian cuniform texts have their origins in the imaginations of ancient story tellers , religious leaders or scribes.
This seems to be the foundation for the Hebrew/Christian Old Testament .
With so many translations , it is difficult to determine any historical facts about any of it.
Sitchin has another book , "Devine Encounters" based on religious interpretations of the ancient players mentioned in these books.
If you look at the phonie religious leaders of today , who can really care or believe anything these self serving charlatans say.
There seems to be academic questions as to whether Jesus , Moses or some of the other main players ever existed .
Abraham comes from the line going back to the Sumerians and their history which is the Anunakai.
However , I do believe that everyone makes money writing books and so Sitchin may also have this right and , who knows , maybe he really believes in what he has surmised.
I can not say he , or you , or anyone else does not believe that what they are writing is true because I am not a mind reader or a soothsayer or a psychic.
The planet Nibiru exists and orbits the Sun every 3000 years according to Sitchin's conjecture , but I don't accept conjectures as facts nor do I stick my neck out and say a thing is impossible without much thought .
Science learns from nature and imitates nature and invents approximations to nature but it is my belief that it can never understand nature 100%.
And, if I as a scientist am subservient to nature and part of nature , obviously I would be a fool if I think I can know all of it.
We have airplanes , Radar , Heat seeking missiles, Sonar and lots of stuff we copied from Nature.
We lead a fragile existence and walk a tight rope and are just one species which has only lived on earth for maybe 100,000 to a million years or so and , with a limited brain power , and we know by using that small brain to observe nature that many species have become extinct via asteroid impacts , comet impacts, super volcanos, GRB'S ….gamma ray bursts and other natural events and who knows what else nature can or did throw at us.
I marvel at how complacent and certain most young people and a few old people can be especially when they allow their egos to take over.
I realize that if you can't solve a problem or enigma involving people ….following the MONEY may lead you to the true motives much of the time but not all of the time.
Many UFO and Big Foot enigmas were thought to be true and accepted until someone finally admitted they fabricated the whole thing …. and not for money even.
If the author of a book says on his death bed he wrote it only for money I will believe him , but even then not 100 % because he could be delusional in his old age or something by the time he confesses.
However , I do distrust all organized religions and am an agnostic.
Mathematics is the bedrock foundation of all Science or maybe I should say a subset of Pure Mathematics called "Applied Mathematics" and the rest of Science is merely involved with copying Nature so all Scientists can really be sure of is the assumed probability of the accuracy of their "Applied Mathematical " models .
So lets get real , the uncertainty principle and paradoxes can occur in Science as well as in Mathematics and the Human Race has an uncertain future.
2012 doesn't worry me but 2013 may be the one to worry about so what we should be doing instead of worrying about it is to track those Asteroids and practice on diversion methods like Apollo Astronaut Schweikert proposes.
Maybe we can hop on Nibiru and divert it too.
Maybe Zecharia Sitchin and Ian Oneill can sit down and down a couple and iron all this conjecture stuff out …
June 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
i think this a load of junk. they have no real evidence anyway. i belive science not the other junk. if it was true they would have come75.7 million times so far and the whole universe would probably be destroyed. so the evidence is very much with science. who actually belives the 2012 doomsday stuff anyway. its just the end of a calender!!!!
June 21st, 2008 at 5:18 am
Many main stream scientiests, their supporters say that there is not enough evidence for Nibiru's existence, its arrival to perihelia in 2012,…
I mentioned historical, astronomical, geological ,…proofs for Nibiru,…
There are but also climatic reasons.
Water level in oceans is rising, but only on northern hemisphere, global warming with many temperature records, climatic anomalies-high anomalous number of hurricanes, tornados, floods,earthquakes their strength.
There is rising number of Thames barrier closures on Thames-against tidal surges in last years.
Unusual high tidal surges in Indonesia opposite to previous times, there were in this jun record 2,2m tidal surges waves, opposite to past years, there were also big waves in december,….those are times when Earth's axis-inclined toward constellations Gemini, Orion, Bull is in one plane with those constellation but also with Sun, …, there was Moon in that plain too,…-that is direction of Nibirus arrival,…
You can say that this is only due to global warming due to humans activities. but the same level of global warming is also on Mars-ice caps are melting with the same acceleration.
North magnetic pole is also accelerating its position change, in direction toward Orion,…too,…it is in such level that there would be sure change Earths el.magnet. orient.-strong solar wind will destroy with its radioactivity-gama, alfa,…rays….Earth sure.
NASA, JPL, CALTECH,…scientiest don't you see those changes due to your poor scientific background, or are you only loyal pupets???!!!
There is time to be honest to mankind, or you will die within some years due to your lack of vigor,…
June 21st, 2008 at 5:51 am
Forecast, theories of official scientiest only try to hind to mist what is actully happening on Earth. For example level of melting of arctic ice fields, of icebergs. What was forecasted some years ago on year 2040, happened last summer, outumn, so big part of Arctic ice melted. If such acceleration of ice melting will continue, so only it can cause global catastrophy, where temperature will rise circa 6 degrees C in the most areas. Minim. 1-2 billion people would must after it leave home or they will die because draught, floods, unbeareble temperature records. Missing all Arctic,..ice will not mirror Sun's ligts to space,…more.
June 21st, 2008 at 9:15 am
"Great! but by chance something does happen, and I’m not prepared, or at least educated on what is happening, and my children look to me and say, “Dad, what’s going on?†and I tell them…I can imagine that the next question will fall very closely to this, “You knew? Why didn’t you do something about it?â€
And what do you expect to do about it, exactly?
Get out of the planet and push?
The truth is that we could be destroyed by a massive gamma ray burst, supernovae, nuclear war, or plague * today *. There's no sense worrying about it because there's absolutely 0 chance of averting it.
June 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am
importanty is to be ready and mainly to be redy save minimum
own soul,…..
June 21st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Of course. It all goes down to religious mumbo-jumbo. What else?
Pavel, breaking news: you can die tomorrow. In fact, the likelyhood that you die tomorrow, flattened by a truck, of heart attack, shot dead by a stray bullet or in any other manner (even hit in the head by a meteor) is far greater than that anyone will die in 2012 because of Nibiru (which is a pretty, round, fat zero). So if you really believe in that soul thing, I'd advise you to have it packed and ready do be saved at any moment.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 am
Jorge, it is quite clear that extreme solar maxima with many spots, strong solar perturbation should be during top of this solar cycle-2011,….
It is forecasted even by official science. Official science also says that this solar activity is the strongeres per last 8000 years. There are also Venus transit, Jupiter's perihelia in 2012-what mean strong tidal effects-1/3 higher tides,…..Shift of north magnetic pole, its acceleration causes that ozone hole changes it's possition significantly too. I don't reccomend to peple to be where ozone hole is present.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Pavel, but where is the proof? The evidence? There is none.. It is all just conjecture.
I think I read above that we might get nailed by a spaghetti monster in 2012.. It's possible. There is just as much proof with that as with this Nibiru thing.. Really..
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Did I say that right?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
This is one of the best blogs on the debate over the BrownDwarf ive ever read. So many theories and speculation, proof & scientific study, yet no one has a telescope big enough to check this out i mean come on its gotta be close to satrun by now. Couldnt we get someone in JPL or NASA to task a sat or even the Cassini probe to spy this thing out! Seriously, theres good reason to give up on life if all you care about learning is the end, but If your like me you would consider learning those things that are true and provable. All end-worshipers aside, I think that [if its really gonna pass between Mars & Jupiter] we should all get our lanw chairs out for the celetrial spectical of-a-lifetime!
Just my thoughts & opinions on the Crazy solar system we run around in!!!!
p.s. Not all things predict the END, just US
June 30th, 2008 at 4:52 am
Nowhere does Sitchin say that Nibiru is crossing (the meaning of the word nibiru) in 2012. In fact it is more than a 1000 years out.
Furthermore, nowhere does Sitchin predict a global catastrohe in 2012 either.
The interesting fact is that scientists - possibly driven by religion and governments driven by religion - denies the existence of prior advanced civilisations on earth, present and recent and past visits by extraterestials, that ocean warming is not caused by climate change but that climate change is caused by ocean warming, that the magma layer inside earth is rapidly rising to higher levels causing more and more under-sea volcanic action, that a few hope to observe the flood catastrophe from the moon, Mars and a space station city, that Mars WAS in fact inhabited by extra-terrestials, etc.
NASA, that incompetent and unsafe industrial and scientific giant is less than honest with its astronomical data.
Like the Roman Church and the (US Government!) it hides a great many facts that really belongs in the public domain, for whatever reasons they feel inccumbent upon them to do so.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
While I am somewhat skeptical on the Nibiru topic, it is in my opinion close minded to assume that everything Sitchin researched is false and not worth looking into.
What are your thoughts on the recent fidings involving the devastation of Mars by a 1600 Kilometre wide object in the not too distant past?
July 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Actually upon rereading this article it occured to me that Sitchin actually has a heck of a lot more evidence to back up his work than you even come close to providing to back up your claim that Planet X is not Nibiru, let alone your claim that Sitchins work is "imaginative at best" and that Planet X is "an unknown, theoretically possible planet orbiting peacefully beyond the Kuiper Belt". Your proof?
July 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Well i'm a tad bit confused about the whole Planet X and Nibiru being two different planets when i thought they were both 1. Any how, where does this story that the Anunnaki came to our planet traveling on Nibiru and made man?? Thats another thing thats confusing to me. Who was there to witness this and tell this story? what ever happened to God creating man? but thats another story. So is he saying that somewhere between the time of 2012 and so forth will be the time that California will be under water do to the gravitational force of this planet thats headed towards Earth? Will this planets passing cause catostraphic events such as Earthquakes, Volcano eruptions, Tornados, Tsunamis, Hurricanes, etc worldwide? If so why isn't this broadcasted over every news station accross the world so we could prepare for it? Is the government hiding something from us again? Could this be why the government built the Denver International Airport, which is build underground and is 1 mile above sea level with an enormous amount of soil from the Panama Canal? Because they know the crops will be destroyed? hmm sounds fishy. Will we survive this planets passing or just the chosen ones who will be allowed to enter into this underground shelter provided by the government?
July 16th, 2008 at 1:25 am
if nibiru is there dont link it with bible ,if is it true according to bible let it occur if it dont occur on 2012 ,no one should believe bible,am i right
July 21st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
If this does happen it is Biblically related. There are too many prophecies of Scripture being fulfilled right now to ignore. If any of you have an open mind, I suggest actually opening The BIble and knowing about what you are trying to debunk. If PX/Nibiru passes, it will likely cause many of the events written about nearly 2000 years ago in The Book of Revelation. I agree with what Willphoenix1says about being prepared. However, I also agree that if it ends up being as bad as some predict, very few will survive. My preparation has more to do with spirituality and spreading The Word of God than trying to plan to live through global catastrophe. I pray that I will reach at least one person with this comment. Hear Oh Israel, YHWH is your only God and He sent Christ to die for all.
July 24th, 2008 at 12:08 am
I know you aren' t kidding, but this whole God thing is quite embarrassing as a human folly. If I visited a planet where they wore and worshipped symbols of torture and death ( cross ) and say that their god let his own son die so that his people would not have to be responsible for their sins…I would pack up quick and evacuate! Ignorance of nightmare proportions is the truest definition of deity minded folk. If there was a god, why in the universe wouldn't he just demonstrate his presence and eliminate all confusion. No, he'd rather talk to one man, and say, go into this land, I give to you and slay man, woman and child so that you may have it….I am SO sick and tired of ignorant people! You've dedicated your lives to being mentally challenged by choice! Rather than feeling pity for people that worship statues, your god wishes to slay or torture them for eternity?! Jealousy is an attribute of perfection? Are there no operating brain cells in that noggin of yours to see these silly stories are full of very bad things? I really wanted to read the bible to my children, but very soon I decided all that violence and misconception of rightousness was not going to be a role model for my kids!
Are there any passing planets coming this way, I need to get away from humans. The planet needs to be cleansed again, lest we corrupt the fabric of the universe with ignorance. You just believe the next, whenever it occurs, great natural disaster is your ticket to 40 virgins ( even though you won't have a body to make use of them ) or to heaven ( for which we have an epic novel for it's proof of existence ) and I'll come back and ensure your ashes are churned into the soil for my garden.
Egads, there is no hope for you.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
it seems everything i have read here is people downing the thought of something else only because of what they have been programmed to believe, nibiru comes every 2100 years, and no one seems to realize that a planet that much older than our own would have so much more technology that we couldnt even comprehend what they could be capable of, we would just go blank wondering, but its not only him or the mayans but also nostrodamus that talks about the sun aligning in the middle of the galaxy on 2012, i think even china had some prophecy of their own about that date, it would just be to large of a coincedence that so many cultures with different beliefs about so much have somewhat the some belief on that, in sitchin's book " The End of Days" his most recent, it even has a place that explains why through mathematics that it is to be of that time…i truly believe to better understand or learn you must be open minded and dont believe only one thing whole heartedly cause your probably wrong, gather as much info about all beliefs as you can then put your own ideas together instead of sticking with what you were raised with
August 12th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Where do I start?…okay, subject 1) Well, I'm no scientist, but I'm halfway intelligent. Does anyone think that "End of Days" is inevitable no matter what your belief system? Maybe not 2012 but sometime? 3012? 4512? Stardate 5163.012? Collisions with meteors, comets or the like will probably happen, right? There's TANGIBLE evidence of this. Also, I read where the Milky Way and another galaxy are on a collision course. This might do it. Or we may escape calamity and live forever. Who knows? One way or another I don't see how digging a hole and hiding in it will possibly make a difference. When my kids ask me what's happening, I'll tell them the obvious. (I was raised Catholic but my views on the teachings have changed dramatically by science over the years. Sorry, now I don't believe everything I read or hear now)
Subject 2) Global warming. Yes, we are contributing to the fact but haven't there been Ice Ages and global warming of our planet in its history? When I look at things in plausible ways, I try to analyze wha't going on. The Earth's axis wobbles, right? I read that but I forgot how long it takes to complete a cycle. Many moons methinks. So why wouldn't the world's weather change even from this little wobble? Also everything in the Universe moves so couldn't this create changes in our weather etc etc?? I hope everyone understands my ideas/opinions. I know what I'm thinking but have a hard time getting my point across sometimes. Like I said I'm not a scientist just someone who tries to think things out….Oh yeah, I don't judge…I "Live and Let Live"…
August 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am
P.S. My father died on 12-21….is this prophecy ? lol
August 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
P.S.S. Isn't the Sun going to explode at some point? Enlarging so as to engulf the Inner Planets? Where are my photo negatives…….
August 14th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Sincerely, any person whether a believer not, has to agree and admit that at any time, this universe must come to an end more so physically. Such is based on two fundamental theories namely; BIBLICAL THEORY more so in the book of Revelation which explains the last days and coming of Jesus Christ..Another theory is the SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGY THEOLOGY which explains rapid scientific discoveries of which some of them are dangerous to lives, natural environment and against the laws of nature like Child cloning and mass destruction weapons.By all means, let us agree and admit to the truth through surrendering our selves to God almighty so as to get a permanent ticket to an eternal life. GOD SAVE THEE SOULS AMEN.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:40 am
On a supposedly related matter, could anyone explain to me the blacked out area on Google Sky to the left of Orion? I don't have a lot of belief in the conspiracy theories, but I would really like to know what is behind the box, as you can see a wisp of cloud-like matter coming out from the left side of the blackened area and I don't want to belief that this is a coverup of the as yet unproven existence of Niribu.
August 16th, 2008 at 8:59 am
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspace?tbody=1000&vbody=1001&month=8&day=16&year=2008&hour=00&minute=00&fovmul=1&rfov=45&bfov=30&porbs=1&showsc=1
What orbit do you speak of Pavel?
"Nibiru came close to orbits, positions of Pluto, Neptune in circa 1985,…close to Uranus arround 2002.
Nibiru cames to orbit of Saturn-2009, to Jupiter-2011, to us 2012."
I see no sort of straight or curved line to come in contact with possible orbits of these planets unless you want to theorize of a possible corkscrew orbit?
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 am
Could the moderator or whoever runs this site automatically direct the posts from the conspiracy theorists, those who ridicule science and the various nut-cases to one of the recently discovered cosmic voids, please? I'm getting hearliy sick of ploughing through their ill-considered rubbish and frightened gibberings to read 'proper' comments. Perhaps there ought to be a special page here for them so when the rest of us feel a little down and cheesed off we can read them and howl with derisive laughter.
Paul.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Paul,
Your comment is the funniest here! I am more amused by the comments of the self professed purist who have all the universal constants in check, and rag on all the others trying to make their case. I for one enjoy the debate, arguments, point and counter point. That is what open minded people do, now if I were in on all the absolute Universal truths like you are, then I would hop into my interstellar ship and go check this whole Nibiru thing out and give you a report with all the absolute science behind it. Can you hook the rest of us dummies up and get in your ship and fill us in.
Thank You…
August 25th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
After reading through all of the comments, there was only a single touch on the topic that interests me most of all. It is also how I came to find this very well written article in the first place.
How did the similarities (of doomsday/floods/dates) spread throughout the cultures of the world?
On a more specific note, I have heard that the Mayan Calendar also predicted other events through history that came to pass; the Spanish Invasion is one that comes to mind. I hate to say that I haven't done any research nor remember any other detail beyond being interested in the comment.
I undestand that there have been many events throughout history that were seen as "foretold" after the visions of reflection were analyzed, but I have never heard of a common prediction for any of these single horrifying events (the Holocaust or the fall of Rome as two events termed horrific by the culture of the day) from MULTIPLE cultures. Yet, in the case of the 2012, there appear to be many differnet mechanisms with one glaring commonality.
I am not a scientist by any means; just a blue-collar electrician that dabbles in anything interesting.
My opinion on this subject It is much like my reply when people greet me in the mornings and ask politley, "How are you today?". I simply answer, "I haven't decided yet. I should know sometime this evening."
Love the science though!
August 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Planet Nibiru makes sense to many ?s in our history. BE WELL
August 30th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
hi guys rite listen have fun till this day comes coz i belvie in it dont u its not a planet that is going to hit us o no i think it the universe that is going to blow u can laugh at me but i think that is going to happen so follow what u all ways wanted to do and live u life to the max have fun but if u have a family get ready i meen this i am 14 and i may lose mine in this coz there to ill to get ready for this thing i am going to find out of this so if u want to email me u can maasboy@live.co.uk thanks you all
September 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Any REAL scientists wanna talk about niburu? So many confusing statements everywhere, what is the truth?
September 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
huh?
e-mail me!
My 4th grade math homework asked how many stars are in the solar system
so I came to this website
September 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
What does Nibiru mean?
Its word origin?
September 9th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
The world could end in 2012….but it will likely be because the population of the world will finally reach the tipping point….of stupidity…and we'll end up offing ourselves somehow chasing witches and *idiotically perceived* TERRESTRIAL threats.
My theory: There is a finite amount of intelligence to go around on this planet, and we're using all that there is available. As the world's population continues to increase, the average intelligence goes down. (And if that doesn't concern you…guess which group you are in !)
Human arrogance and stupidity are the biggest threats that Earth faces over the next century
September 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I know it's difficult when your head is buzzing full of voices and you've been stocking up on beans and tinned food but this 2012 does not float for me.
As for the gentleman who manages to include bile against Roman Catholics, as a Roman Catholic I accuse him and his 2012 bunch of hiding hidden secrets from us for their own dark purposes -the fact they are closet sectarians.
Your secrets out! Off to the space ship with you spit spot.
The astronomy is great btw thanx, no hidden secrets there either.
Ah the sky at night!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:34 am
People who are scared witless or worried about Nibiru read the following it will put you at ease I promise.
Why Niburi cant exist.
1. The world has gone mad and lost the power to do basic math's if Nibiru takes 3600 years to go past earth it being only four years away would be cleary visible by eye during the day and would be in front of the sun.
2. Other pratts say it will enter our inner solar system in 2012. IT WOULD STILL BE VISIBLE!!!!!
3. Even if I'm wrong which I'm not, so what if it enters our solar system If it's gravity was as strong as it is said to be (The strength of it's gravity would kill us!!.) it would have several small planets orbiting it.
4. The annuki can't still be alive for when it's furthest away from the sun the tempratures can't sustain life.
5. Nob heads who clearly havn't even done year 3 physics say that it orbits another sun further out the orbits ours can't be right. This is because plannets orbit suns due to massive gravitantional pull they emit. Due to the strength of the pull plannets can't leave their orbit so nibiru can't be heading at us.
6. Sitchin the idiot who created the rumors mistranslated the word nibiru it means god in sumartran and is also the ancient word for jupiter.
7. No astronomers have ever sighted nibiru
8. Why do we belive the Sumartrans they thought the world was flat and the stars were gods.
9. The ancient Greek who actually did star gaze have never seen nibiru they would of been able to see it as it left our solar system.
10. The bible (Why we still trust a book that's never been right yet.) claims the earth went dark as a planet as Nibiru past. First has no one ever heard of an ECLIPSE. Plus this book was written 3000 years after the planet went past.
11 This means that nibiru should of past in 600 bc guess what It didn't.
12 if it did pass in 600ad that means it's not due until 4200ad
13 People think that after surfing the net for 10 mins they have spotted somehing patrick moore has missed his whole life.
14 To prove nibiru isn't there get out your phones turn on camera, put it in ngetaive take a picture of the sun (Careful not to blind yourself. The pictures on youtube we said to be taken in negtaive because the sun light blocks the planet. On my picture there is no nibiru.
15. Pole shifts won't kill us. during human existance one pole shift has happened we are still alive. Worst case scenario the Earth stops spinnig for three days befroe spinning the other way or tips over and spins on it's side.
September 17th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Well, I did not read all of comments, but i wanna tell my opinion.
1. I don`t care about alien races.
2. and planet x too.
but ( last couple of years)
why Norwegian gov. build up huge concrete underground bunker too save and storage any seeds what is possible.
why Austrian gov build in huge base in the mountain too save any information such as literary works and many others.
why Hungarian gov keep running huge nuclear safe underground facilities just middle and under Budapest, and changed the entire air vent system by national sec.
Why "NASA" build infrared telescope on north pole just on the right place to trace "nibiru"
Why some star just cleared from the sky map ( i can give exact coordinates)
You cannot see them on "normal view but in infrared mode yes , you can
And why US gov get very excited about Mars.
Now they tell us , "Yes we found water on the Mars" ten Years ago if somebody told this , the gov. just simple "denied" it.
Anyway. i download some mars pic from nasa web site. and after automatic exposure the sky on mars get blue and ground become normal sand and the mars lander parts got back the original colors". funny.
So, have many question but 100% the answer not will given by any Government or Media because they operate under the gov-s.
So, do what you believe , prepare yourself or not , one thing is sure and nobody can deny: it is Your decision …..
September 17th, 2008 at 4:36 am
one more…
If the earth stops spinning, we lost the magnetic field too. This case we lost our shield against radiations which come from sun.
what it is mean ?
No Life can survive on the surface …
So , stop spinning = very very bad.
Like sunburn just permanently and deadly.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:48 pm
When I was a wean (child in Glasgow) my teacher said all leaves are green, but I said you get red ones too. teacher said don't be silly who ever heard of red leaves. They grew on the road to school, I walked…. teacher drove a car………… thats what I think or maybe it's a philosophy. ……….. everyone should kiss and make up, lets all be friends…….. but if it does happen anyone got room in their shelter for me? I've got some pot noodles and a bit for a couple of joints… cheers
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I wonder if it'll be on the telly? maybe catch the highlights! I'm only wanting to stay if you have cable and tea bags. can I bring my cats too?
September 25th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
You don't believe in doomsday? I'm told lots of dinosaurs didn't believe in one either !!!
September 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
@Stan
Huh?
September 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
There is big planet, huge planet. Why is pluto orbit eliptical then?
October 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
There are some little known verses in the Bible that refer to God putrifying a place called Rahab. There is a mention of Rahab and Babylon. Marduk is associated with Babylon, and Astarte was to have brought
a person who fell from the heavens to an Island off of Tyre, a spot heavy with UFO sightings.
A retired NASA person speaking at MUFO not long ago said that NASA has a lot of info that there were two planets in our system that whose debris hit other planets, so there was something happened to earth, and it was not it's creation!.
I cannot go along with Sitchin, but believe that some entities were involved in intrusion into our species. This was not regarded nicely by the creator . I think these beings, in defiance of God established civilizations, were taking earthlings to them. Satan was said to be cruel. "All his sanctuaries are full of violence". He was said to have great merchandising going on; if you will search the OT, it pops up here and there. Perhaps the tower of Babyon and the Gibborim were very advanced, unlike the stupid crawl out of the slime idea. So what does this have to do with Nibiru?
The cataclysm referred to is misinterpreted by Sitchin. Annanunaki are the sons of Annuk referred to in scripture most likely. This is descent from Noah. They however retained a knowledge of the intrusion of the "sons of god" and the destruction of earth with the flood event. There IS evidence that a massive cataclysm took place. Lucifer was said to be cast down to the earth in dust. There is a dust layer that encompasses the earth due to massive volcanic action and massive meteorite impacts upon the earth.
Mars has areas where humanoid made civilization was impacted and Mars was forced into a less hospitable orbit for life.
The corruption of the earth and the heavens
was the work of rebellion. The discovery of ancient radio active graves in India, tells me that history is doomed to repeat itself!
These aliens are most likely not our friends, our gods nor our saviors. Sitchin is deluded.
How they got from "extra dimensional beings, or angels, spirit beings to what they did and may come back to do I am sure not any one would be able to explain, and they may have left genetic flaws and death behind in the human race. They are not the creators of life. they are tamperers, and one of their planets may still exist at it's core, "putrified". Fire and Brimstone, (God Thor? Zeus?) could have skimmed Rahab and thrown it into elipse greator than that of Mars. It's debris and that of a second exploded planet form the solar systems "metoer belt" . The orbit of 3600 to 4000 years would mean it comes by on one side every two thousand years. It would be
used by God to perform his judgements since he did not utterly obliterate it. It would have performed at the time of the exodus, up to the standing still at the time of Joshua. It could have returned to announce the birth of Christ. The astonomers recognized it as HIS star. Recognizing he was from the supreme controller of the heavens. So it is about time to come by again. It does not come quickly, but is around a few years. It does not move as swiftly as a comet actually, but it does exactly whatever the supreme controller wants when he wants. Think I'm nuts? Read Is 28. The moons and deris of it will be used to judge.
"With the Hand" in Is 28 referrs to the hand holding the judgement coals. The man in linen in Ezekial holds these, awaiting the command.
October 5th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
what i dont understand is that if nibiru or some sort of planet was coming towards us wouldnt we be able to see it with a telescope and now that its only 4 years away why cant we see it with a naked eye. Also if nibiru was to approach the Earth in 4 years time wouldnt the governments told us anything about in. Finally about the ANNUNAKI ALIENS if nibiru has already collieded with the Earth 3600 years back why have our prehistorical fosslils still survived ie- dinosaur bones and what about the pyramids. I believe this is all fake. There may be a 10th palnet but it is certainly not coming towards us. Nibiru is definately a hoax.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Folks, read SITCHIN's books before you blasgt away at him. The evidence seems — dare we say: monumental.
Also read the ORION PROPHECY, and claim the reward, if you can, to disprove the idea.
I enjoyed the lead article above, which seems to get rid of all this information, but does it? To not be informed is stupid.
The Government has consistently proved that humans are expendable, fearsome, resource wasting, useless, yet our money and bad behaviors provided them underground cities. Why?
One should discover the CHRIST and ask for intelligence of brotherhood so man might survive in harmony.
Cheers
October 7th, 2008 at 6:27 am
"But before we get carried away, this is not Nibiru, this is not proof of the end of the world in 2012"
Again thank you for proving your ignorance.
First off you have NO way of knowing if this object IS Nibiru or not.
Simply stating that
"All this may seem a little fantastical, and perhaps a little too detailed when considering it is a literal translation from 6000 year old texts" just makes you look narrow minded, ignorant, and uninformed.
The sumerians have cylinder seals clearly showing the sun at the center of the solar system thousands of years before the birth of christ.
Copernicus "discovered" this some time after his birth in 1473 AD.
Point being if you want to stick your head in the sand and believe christopher columbus discovered america, a weather baloon fell to earth in roswell, 19 hijackers perpetrated 9-11, Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated kennedy as a "lone guman", Jesus was 6 feet tall white/blond hair/blue eyes and pretty much looked like the long lost bee gee's member, then by all means please feel free.
But there is WAY too much we don't know, and even more that we insist on lying to ourselves about.
I prefer opening my own eyes rather than keeping them closed and letting someone else tell me whats real.
It's easy to say where are your facts, prove this theory blah blah…
Even evolution is still just a "theory" learn to think for yourself man, stop regurgitating what other people tell you just because you liked the suit they had on during that broadcast.
Ian O'Neill (the author who decided he was right, and is shooting his mouth off without a single clue what he is talking about) needs a new job.
You are clearly under qualified for this one.
The lack of evidence is not itself evidence.
Keep your assumptions to yourself and leave the writing to people who don't think they know everything.
Simply claiming that you know these things makes my job easier proving how ignorant, arrogant, and uninformed you really are.
O but hey keep up the good work, we all love bullshit, thats why news ratings are so high apparently.
October 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
There are a few things that are not taken into consideration or aren't even known about or understood. These important aspects are essential to fully realize what is actually going on with our solar system and its planets.
Its important to know what Nibiru is and was and Where it's orbital path used to be, as well as when and why it was moved. This plays into our artificial moon and the asteroid belt's creation following Maldek's destruction 550 million years ago in a great war that resulted in our sun and the crystal pylon implant network at Stonehenge to be used as a weapon and tracking device for earth using Nibiru and two thirds celestial body, Wormwood.
This is far to big for me to cover here, but folks open your eyes and gaze deeper into yourselves. The forbidden histories will always be there.
October 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
ps. this is not Sitchin's work. He only scratched a small etching on a big surface and doesn't fully realize who and what he is dealing with.
October 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
@ Jared:-
"First off you have NO way of knowing if this object IS Nibiru or not."
But there is no "object"…
"…makes you look narrow minded, ignorant, and uninformed."
Well, that's what a Masters in astrophysics and a PhD in solar physics does to you I suppose (damn all that education!)…
"I prefer opening my own eyes rather than keeping them closed and letting someone else tell me whats real."
OK, so you think a bunch of aliens travelled into the solar system, genetically modified some monkeys, we evolved from said monkeys, and now the aliens are coming back to visit us? I'm just giving you an alternate theory - you don't have to believe me…
"It's easy to say where are your facts, prove this theory blah blah…"
Damn those "facts" and "theories". I'll be sure to write you a sci-fi comic with lots of pictures next time.
"Ian O'Neill (the author who decided he was right, and is shooting his mouth off without a single clue what he is talking about) needs a new job."
Now you're getting personal.
"You are clearly under qualified for this one."
After all, the world doesn't need another scientist.
"…makes my job easier proving how ignorant, arrogant, and uninformed you really are."
So… where's your proof again?
"O but hey keep up the good work, we all love bullshit, thats why news ratings are so high apparently."
*yawn* Oh, sorry, were you still talking?
I always enjoy our chats Jared, but next time, please give me something more than your twisted ideas on reality. I'd love to know where you get your evidence from. I know you don't like "evidence", or "theories", or "ideas", or "science" for that matter, but to debate ideas one needs to have something to debate. The above article needs to be discussed, but if you can't keep your limited vocabulary in check, I suggest this website (or any other "science" website) isn't for you.
Thanks, Ian
October 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Looking at the origins of the worlds religions, one only has to look at the evidence prior to known organized religions.
That journey will take you back thousands of years previously to the Summerians, and they will speak of a time when the people of the "Shem" or flying crafts, came down to earth and instructed man thousands of years earlier. Many stories in our Bibles, Korans, and other holy documents follow the very similar story lines found in the ancient text of the summerians stone tablets. One can come to the conclusion that there is only one original story that has had it's characters and characters names changed as they have been passed down through different civilizations and interpeted unto the corners of the earth, each time with a little variance in the story. We on earth can be traced backed to one original mother scientifically. So it's not that far fetched to believe that we are decendents of a prototype being. That's why there is no missing link. We didn't exist for a time and then we did. A new species out of thin air, or a advanced laboratory located here thousands of years ago. Let us not be so arrogant to think that we are the only intelligent beings in this vast void full of billions of worlds. The gold fish in your home knows nothing about the Great White Sharks off the coast of Africa, or the Dolphins off of Florida. All three swim in water, look similar but have very different behavior and intelligence. We are the gold fish, stuck on Earth in time out, with out the knowlegde of the universe that we are floating within. We were given religion as a guide for small minds that could not contemplate the reality of their existence.
In cosmic terms, it doesn't matter if we get smacked by a passing dark stars satellites.
What matters in this small time of existence we have is how we treat each other and utilize this drop of life in the flow of time opportunity to maybe send a few of our best out there to a new home to some where start fresh. This could be exactly how we came to be.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Anyone interested in finding out what's going on with 2012
check out:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/forum/mayan-calendar-2012/5456-all-truth-about-2012-a.html
this shows that numbers affect people not nature
this shows that 2012 obsessions and 9/11 obsessions are connected
this shows that the calender changing in 2012 is the western one, but only in its indirect affects
all natural / cosmic / galactic / universal disasters are rejected by the theory
this shows that fears about the end of time/world are actually fears about the end of the year.
Blue Electric Monkey
October 16th, 2008 at 1:47 am
why planet X?
why 21-12-2012?
why why why??
I don't like this!!!
I hate NIBIRU!!!!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Lets talk about nibiru.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Check out my theory about year 2012.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Firstly, Nibiru did not destroy our planet or solar system. It caused chaos, flooding, earthquakes, etc. Chaos like this would not take that long to recover…
October 27th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
In reply to JSMak Says:
July 21st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
If this does happen it is Biblically related. There are too many prophecies of Scripture being fulfilled right now to ignore. If any of you have an open mind, I suggest actually opening The BIble and knowing about what you are trying to debunk. If PX/Nibiru passes, it will likely cause many of the events written about nearly 2000 years ago in The Book of Revelation. I agree with what Willphoenix1says about being prepared. However, I also agree that if it ends up being as bad as some predict, very few will survive. My preparation has more to do with spirituality and spreading The Word of God than trying to plan to live through global catastrophe. I pray that I will reach at least one person with this comment. Hear Oh Israel, YHWH is your only God and He sent Christ to die for all.
Look out for Tim McHyde.
October 27th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
These 2012 articles are very well writen and informative but there is one thing I dont like. You wrote "It is important to note here that I am not calling into question any archaeological, spiritual or historic evidence for Nibiru". -Um why not, that Zecharia Sitchin book is the most rediculous part of this thing and has been debunked by several other sources.
October 27th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Your article simply fails on every level, to disproove that the 4-8 earth mass object originally detected in 1983 is NOT Nibiru. By all avalible data, it is heading our way. The orbital anamolies of planets along the peripherary of our solar system and their proximity to the 4-8 earth mass body, is a well established cause and effect relationship, by nearly every credible investigative means of data gathering.
You are guilty of something worse than yellow journalism.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:39 am
hola , antes que nada agradesco a la . NASA por hacerlos saver que es lo que acontese en el spacio esterior haci mismo tambien yo en una ocasion , he soñado que un cometa cae en la tierra es una luz muy fuerte , y creoooooooooo que solo dios nos puede liberar de tan gran desastre que se pueda dar con este cometa , haci que os ruego a todos que pidamos de corazon a dios para que nos cubra bajo sius alas … gracias , juan carlos honduras centro america martes 28 oct 2008
October 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Just a simple question!
Until 1930 pluto were unkown. How do you explain the Sumerians already knows that?
October 31st, 2008 at 11:50 am
@Chris:-
"4-8 earth mass object originally detected in 1983 is NOT Nibiru"
- The IRAS observations spotted several infrared "objects" in the night sky. At the time scientists did not know how to interpret the data. They said they could possibly be comets, intergalactic dust, ultra-luminous young galaxies or protostars (i.e. brown dwarfs near our solar system). It turned out in 1984 publications that most of these "objects" were ultra-luminous galaxies, and a couple examples of intergalactic "cirrus" (or dust)
So, by your reasoning, you say there is an object 4-8 Earth masses coming at us. Where is the evidence? Even if scientists are hiding evidence of a proto-star (a.k.a. a brown dwarf), they should be looking for an object 80 Jupiter masses, not 4-8 Earth masses. I'll give you another clue, Jupiter is a lot bigger than Earth.
So, where is your 4-8 Earth mass object? I think you'll find this was invented purely to make this flawed theory fit. Please don't be fooled. For more information, you need to read another one of my articles: http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/
I think you need to look up the definition of "yellow journalism" again - I don't think that accusation applies to this article.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pm
ok, if the Nibiru thing is complete bs then how did we come to look at this star way the heck out their?, I mean who decided it to be this star why not something closer?
Why does this star or watever it is that weve come to know as "Nibiru" at cordinates -6.01931, -91.5903 cast a normal look in image view, noting that some of the actual image shots of nearby stars were alot brighter and then when you do it on x-ray the supposed "Nibiru" Star/ Planets light up and the closer by "brighter" stars are not even really noticable???
why is this section of sky omitted on google universe?
Im by no means an intellectual, but after going over alot of the sky with microsoft telescope in different signal returns all i can say is this star we've come to know as "Nibiru" -6.01931, -91.5903 is something different from what i can gather and leaving all the conspiracy stuff behind i just want to find some explanations as to its "difference" then any other thing ive been able to come across in the nights sky?
In a normal image view this thing doesnt look different, but in X-Ray i cant say the same thing as it looks crazy and id like to know why.