2012: No Planet X
Written by Ian O'Neill
Apparently, Planet X (a.k.a. Nibiru) was spotted by astronomers in the early 1980's in the outermost reaches of the Solar System. It has been tracked by infrared observatories; seen lurking around in the Kuiper Belt and now it is speeding right toward us and will enter the inner Solar System in 2012. So what does this mean to us? Well, the effects of the approach of Planet X on our planet will be biblical, and what's more the effects are being felt right now. Millions, even billions of people will die, global warming will increase; earthquakes, drought, famine, wars, social collapse, even killer solar flares will be caused by Nibiru blasting through the core of the Solar System. All of this will happen in 2012, and we must begin preparing for our demise right now…
As investigated in my previous article "No Doomsday in 2012", a lot of weight had been placed on the end of an ancient Mayan calendar, the "Long Count". According to this calendar and Mayan myth, something is going to happen on December 21st, 2012. Now the world's Planet X supporters seem to have calculated that this hypothetical, deadly planet will arrive from a highly eccentric orbit to wreak gravitational havoc on Earth, sparking geological, social, economic and environmental damage, killing a high proportion of life… in 2012.
Related 2012 articles:
- 2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal (posted October 3rd 2008)
- 2012: No Killer Solar Flare (posted June 21st 2008)
- 2012: Planet X Is Not Nibiru (posted June 19th 2008)
- 2012: No Planet X (posted May 25th 2008)
- No Doomsday in 2012 (posted May 19th 2008)
I'm sorry, but the "facts" behind the Planet X/Nibiru myth simply do not add up. Don't worry, Planet X will not be knocking on our door in 2012 and here's why…
Nibiru and Planet X
In 1843, John Couch Adams (a British mathematician and astronomer) studied the orbital perturbations of Uranus and deduced that through gravitational interactions, there must be an eighth planet, tugging at the gas giant. This led to the discovery of Neptune, orbiting at a distance of 30AU from the Sun. There have been numerous occasions where this method has been used to deduce the existence of other bodies in the Solar System before they were directly observed.
Neptune was also experiencing orbital perturbations, and on the discovery of Pluto in 1930, it was thought that the aptly named "Planet X" had been discovered. Alas, Pluto's mass was tiny, and once the orbit of Charon (Pluto's moon) was analysed it was found that the mass of the Pluto-Charon system was far too small to affect the orbit of Neptune. The hunt for Planet X continued…
After years of speculation and historic research, it was believed that a huge body astronomers were looking for was a huge planet or a small star, possibly a companion to our Sun (making the Solar System a binary system). The name "Nibiru" was unearthed by the author Zecharia Sitchin, on researching the possible intervention of extraterrestrials in the early history of mankind. Nibiru is a hypothetical planet as taught in ancient Sumerian culture (the Sumerians existed from around 6,000BC to 3,000BC, predating Babylon, in the current geographic location of Iraq). There is very little archaeological evidence to suggest this mythical planet has anything to do with Planet X. But since this dubious connection, Planet X and Nibiru are now thought by doomsayers to be the same thing, an ancient astronomical body that has returned after a long orbit beyond the Solar System.
OK, so the Nibiru/Planet X connection might be a bit ropey already, but is there any solid evidence for the modern-day Planet X?
Infrared observations = Planet X
There is much emphasis placed on the 1983 "discovery" of a mysterious heavenly body by NASA's Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) on the outskirts of the Solar system, some 50 billion miles (540 AU) away. Naturally the world's media will have been very excited by such a discovery and began making noises that perhaps this was Planet X (the most popular accessible resources for Planet X advocates is the Washington Post article published on December 31st 1983 titled "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered"). In actuality, astronomers weren't sure what the infrared object was (the clue is in the word "mystery"). Initial media reports postulated that it could be a long-period comet, or a planet, or a far-off young galaxy or a protostar (i.e. a brown dwarf). As soon as the last possibility is mentioned, suddenly this became the "discovery" that Planet X was in fact a brown dwarf orbiting in the outer reaches of our Solar System.
"So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through." - Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer, December 30th 1983 (from text on the Planet X and Pole Shift website)
So where did the Washington Post get its story? The story was published in response to the research printed a paper titled "Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey" (by Houck et al, published in Astrophysical Journal Letters, 278:L63, 1984). Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, co-investigator in the IRAS project, was interviewed and strongly stated that what IRAS had seen was not "incoming mail" (i.e. the results did not suggest there was an object approaching Earth). On reading this interesting research, I was especially drawn to the paper's conclusion:
"A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations." - Houck et al, Astrophysical Journal Letters, 278:L63, 1984.
Although these IRAS observations were seeing mysterious objects, at this stage, there was no indication that there was an object (let alone a brown dwarf) powering its way toward us. But the rumours had already begun to flow. When follow-up papers were published in 1985 (Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., 1985) and 1987 (The IRAS View of the Extragalactic Sky, Soifer et al., 1987), there was little if any media interest in their findings. According to these publications, most of the IRAS observations in the 1984 paper were distant, ultra-luminous young galaxies and one was a filamentary structure known as "infrared cirrus" floating in intergalactic space. IRAS never observed any astronomical body in the outer reaches of the Solar System.
Orbital perturbations = Planet X
In addition to the 1983 "discovery" of the Planet X brown dwarf, the 1992 Planet X claim goes something like this: "Unexplained deviations in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune point to a large outer solar system body of 4 to 8 Earth masses, on a highly tilted orbit, beyond 7 billion miles from the sun," - text from an un-cited NASA source on the "Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide" video.
Pulling up the discovery of planets using orbital perturbation measurements, Planet X advocates point to a NASA announcement that in 1992, there were indirect measurements of a planet some 7 billion miles from Earth. Alas, I cannot find the original source for this claim. The only huge discovery NASA announced along these lines was the discovery of the first major trans-Neptunian object (TNO) called 1992 QB1 (full details of the discovery of this "cubewano-class" object can be found in the original announcement transcript). It has a diameter of 200km and is confined to the Kuiper Belt, a zone of minor planets (where Pluto lives) and asteroids from 30AU to 55AU, just outside Neptune's orbit. Some of these bodies (like Pluto) cross the path of Neptune's orbit and there therefore designated as a TNO. These TNO's pose no threat to the Earth (in as much as they wont be leaving the Kuiper Belt to pay us a visit in 2012).
Since then, any Neptune orbital perturbations have been put down to observational error and have since not been observed… so there doesn't appear to be any obvious object any bigger than the largest Kuiper Belt objects out there. Still, to keep an open mind, there could be more large bodies to be discovered (that might explain why there is such a steep drop-off of Kuiper Belt objects at the "Kuiper Cliff", the jury is out on that idea), but there is no evidence for a massive body approaching from the vicinity of the Kuiper Belt. Even the strange Pioneer anomaly that the Pioneer and Voyager probes are experiencing cannot be attributed to Planet X. This anomaly appears to be a Sun-ward acceleration, if there was a massive planet out there, there should be some gravitational effect beyond what has been predicted by the other known objects in the Solar System.
4-8 Earth masses = a brown dwarf? It must be Planet X.
Probably the most glaring inconsistency in the Planet X hypothesis is the Planet X advocates assertion that the 1984 IRAS object and the 1992 body are one of the same thing. As announced on many websites and online videos about Planet X, the 1984 IRAS observation saw Planet X at 50 billion miles from Earth. The 1992 NASA "announcement" put Planet X at a distance of about 7 billion miles from Earth. Therefore, the logic goes, Planet X had travelled 43 billion miles in the course of only eight years (from 1984 to 1992). After some dubious mathematics, Planet X is therefore expected to reach the core of the Solar System in 2012. (Although many believed it should arrive in 2003… they were obviously wrong about that prediction.)
Well, I think we might be clutching at straws here. For starters, for the 1984 object to be the same as the 1992 object, surely they should be the same mass? If Planet X was a brown dwarf (as we are led to believe in the IRAS observations), how can it possibly weigh in at only 4 to 8 Earth masses eight years later? Brown dwarfs have a mass of around 15-80 Jupiter masses. As Jupiter is about 318 Earth masses, surely the object hurtling toward us should have a mass of somewhere between 4,770 and 25,440 Earth masses? So I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I reckon the 1984 object and the 1992 object (if either object actually existed that is) are not the same thing. Not by a very long shot.
If there is no evidence supporting Planet X, it must be a conspiracy
If it can be this easy to cast the fundamental "scientific" theory behind Planet X into doubt, I see little point in discussing the historical reasons (mass extinctions, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc.) as to why the doomsayers believe Planet X should exist. If there is no renegade planet out there of significant mass, how can Nibiru be a threat to us in 2012?
They will have us believe there is a global conspiracy of international governments hiding the facts from us. NASA is involved in the cover-up, hence the lack of evidence. In my opinion, simply because there is no evidence, doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. So why would governments want to hide a "discovery" as historic as a doomsday planet approaching the inner Solar System anyway? To avoid mass panic and pursue their own, greedy agendas (obviously).
As it turns out, this is the only strength behind the Planet X myth. When confronted with scientific facts, the Planet X advocates reply with "…governments are sending out disinformation and covering up the true observations of Nibiru." Although I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, I will not support anything in the name of Planet X. If the basic science behind what we are led to believe are the foundation of Planet X existing is wrong, it seems a poor argument to say "the government did it".
Therefore, the story that Planet X will arrive in 2012 is, in my view, total bunkum (but it helps to sell doomsday books and DVDs by scaring people). Nibiru will remain in the realms of Sumerian myth.
Sources: No Tenth Planet Yet From IRAS, Surviving 2012 and Planet X (Video), The SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System, New Scientist, IRAS, Planet X and Pole Shift
Leading image credits: MIT (supernova simulation), NASA/JPL (extrasolar planet). Effects and editing: myself.
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May 25th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Sorry Ian, I might be being pedantic but:
"… in the current geological location of Iraq."
I'm sure you meant
"in the current geographic location of Iraq."
May 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Great, thankyou Tim! Changing that now
Cheers, Ian
May 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Thanks for stating the obvious. If this IRAS observation foudn an infrared object which could be that close, wouldn't we have been able to confirm or refute this with Spitzer by now?
May 25th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Thank you for putting together the article, Ian. Very thorough, not that I expect it to convince any "true believers".
I was somewhat shocked by the sheer volume of anti-scientific comments on that last thread to do with the Mayan calendar and 2012. I guess in some ways it's encouraging that they are at least coming to this site and will be exposed to some of the real wonders that the universe has to offer through your fine reporting (much more compelling and exciting that making things up as you go along, if you ask me). But it's still a little depressing that people are so easily fooled by lies and half-truths when there is so much good scientific information available at their fingertips.
Planet X is the perfect example. As Ian clearly states, arguments for its existence can only be sustained by extreme cherry picking of historical data. It seems to matter not one whit that 99% of the data clearly refutes the existence of Planet X, they will always take that one last smidgen of uncertainty (which always exists in science) and blow it up out of all recognizable proportion so lona as it suits their needs.
Ironically, there is a much more plausible story they could spin about a disaster happening in 2012. What if those fabled Mayan astronomers spotted a long-period comet or asteroid and, using their "advanced mathematics and mystical knowledge" discovered that the next time it returned (in 2012) it would score a direct strike on Earth? That would fit all the requirements they seek, and allow them to continue to argue that the comet/asteroid is still too far away to be detected.
But, I guess, that explanation is simply not fanciful enough. It's just too boring and mundane (like most of the rest of reality, apparently). Rogue alien plants and "Earth Changes", whatever the heck they're supposed to be, are much more sexy and exciting, even if there isn't a shred of credible evidence to sustain them.
To, thanks again, Ian. Putting together something like this isn't a 10 minute job, Marshalling all the facts and putting them together into a readable and easily understandable article takes a lot of time and effort. (Certainly a lot more time than my ramblings on the comment threads take!).
Keep up the good work.
May 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am
The other thing that's sad about all this belief in Planet X, Roswell, the Face on Mars, Area 51, and other conspriacy theory nonsense is that it diminishes the colossal achievement of landing another spacecraft on Mars — i.e. Phoenix, later today.
If you believe that the U.S. government already knows the truth about aliens on Mars and here on Earth and is in possession of highly advanced spaceships and anti-gravity drives, then it's way too easy to trivialize the prospect of a successful Phoenix landing (I hope!) in the icy wastes of another planet and, consequently, the years-long effort of the hard-working and dedicated team of scientists who put it all together.
And that is just sad.
May 25th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Uranus was also experiencing orbital perturbations, and on the discovery of Pluto in 1930
Nope. It's not my turn do utter the immature Uranus joke.
But shouldn't that be Neptune that was experiencing orbital perturbations in that sentence?
May 25th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
how i wish every body in my country thats Uganda could read this.thanks alot for the info boy the wierd press has been running this planet.x story for a couple of months now. its very absurd for the poor populase out here to always be feed with lies and dooms day junkie
God bless am gonna let my pals know how so flase the tabloid was.
am so very proud of you guys thanks alot for i trust your credibility
May 25th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Thanks Jorge - I think I was staring at this article too long and missed that typo. Cheers! Ian
May 25th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Excellent article. A Google search will confirm the sheer mass of ridiculous claims made without a shred of evidence (or to be more precise, a shred of scientific method used to interpret the evidence)….and Planet X is usually one in a constellation of false claims. Keep up the good work.
May 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
google novelty theory and timewave zero.
May 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Well..
Richard Dawkins explained very well why people are so prone to believe rubbish.. they are trained to do so, from very early age…
May 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Nibiru will be a great movie idea!
Title: Armageddon 2
Cast: Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie and Morgan Freeman!
Good job for the people making up this story, i like it =D
May 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Only 12 comments so far? Where are all the morons at, saying things like "This article is stupid. There isnt a shred scientific evidence. Planet X IS REAL. Open your eyes" etc etc..
Great article Ian. Ive been listening to this doomsday, mayan calander, planet x crap for about a year now. And these same idiots (yeah I called them IDIOTS), are the same exact people who are trying to proove we didnt land on the moon.
May 25th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Oh Ian, now, you know better than this don't you? Or have the aliens completely washed your brain from their base on the moon (which is the excuse I tell my kids to use at school tho so far none have dared it)
Of COURSE Planet X will 'hit', of course it is looming, closer (dun dun) closer (dun duN) closer (dun dun DUN) because Planet X is, well, to see a world, you have to have a World View, and Planet X is a World View. Trust me, I'm one of the original tango partners for Ms Nancy and the sci.astro invaders that would regularly taunt the too-serious-for-their-britches astronomers in residence there. You simply cannot talk about Planet X without impersonating Rod Serling, it is that simple.
Put another way, I like to quote Carl Gustav Jung in his introduction to his wonderful book on UFO's, CG says that whether or not UFO's exist (and are extraterrestrial visitors) is not not nearly as interesting as why so many people BELIEVE and WANT to believe that they are.
So too with Planet X. The Avenging Angel, the once and final solution to those worst fears of zeitgeistmovie.com and healthfreedomusa.org and just about everyone else standing 'powerless' in the path of some real or imagined alt.conspiracy juggernaut, all of them SMACK, set right in an instant.
It is an appealing notion, you have to grant them that
May 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Great article, Ian! My only quibble is that I think you are too soft on the conspiracy angle: hundreds of thousands of people all across the world would all have to be of the same mind about keeping Doomsday a complete secret for it to make any sense. It's several orders of magnitude more implausible than moon landing or 9/11 conspiracy theories, and those don't even have a leg to stand on.
May 25th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
There is something that's going to happen on December 21st, 2012: The winter solstice.
May 25th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Conspiracy theorists are all collaborating against us in an effort to make us question the value of logic and abandon reason for mass hysteria based on hyperbole and conjecture. Aww crap, who's side am I on?!
May 25th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Lol, the advertisments at the top of this page. One actualy said " Planet X/ Nibiru found".
I think its funny that an article about debunking planet x is getting paid for by websites that promote the conspiracy of planet x.
Im sure its googles fault. You should probably put a stop to that Ian.
May 25th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Thanks for promoting scientific fact over fantasy. The whole planet x thing has been starting to worry me!
May 25th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Thank you for this great article on Planet X, Ian. Like a lot of other readers of Universe Today, I'm sick and tired of the conspiracy theorists and their various intellectual perversions, especially those having to do with Planet X and the "end of the world in 2012." The New Age crowd gets all the glory in the MSM, while the science that refutes their idiocy is relegated to a back page or a mere mention on the Internet. Keep up the good work — we need people like you to keep showing the world just how stupid and intellectually dishonest (not to mention utterly ignorant) the New Agers really are.
May 25th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
To Emission Nebula:
Well if you insist on calling them idiots then please do but I don't think calling names helps convincing others of the truth. Would you listen to a plausible argument being made if you had been called an idiot before? As I said: fears about Nibiru are understandable even if they are totally irrational. We have to make an effort to convince people with scientific facts and not by calling them names.
May 25th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
The same goes for you: Yael Dragwyla
May 25th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Come to think of it, why hasn't SOUTH PARK done one of their inimitable satires on the New Agers, Planet X, and the 2012 hysteria in general? Somebody want to write them and suggest it? (Me, I'm chicken — I *never* have any luck with such letters.) They did such a good job on Scientology, I'm sure they could do one equally as good on this topic.
May 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Toutatis — "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck . . ." New Agers are people who have voluntarily surrendered their common sense and intellectual acuity for feel-good (or feel-bad, take your pick) notions that support a worldview which is, to say the least, about as contrasurvival as you can get. Now, what would *you* call that?
May 26th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Niburu… Seems a name of an anime cartoon character.
May 26th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Zeb, I could be wrong but I don't think there is such a thing as a winter solstice, I think you meant winter equinox.
Great article, thanks
May 26th, 2008 at 2:29 am
excellent article!
but something HUGE is going to happen in 2012…the alignment of the sun and earth with the centre of the galaxy right which happens only once in 13000 years I believe?
Could you expand on that please and tell us what would and could happen in the heavens and on earth…scientifically of course
May 26th, 2008 at 3:59 am
As the X-files T shirt says ….
I want to believe !
People have an innate desire to believe in something .
Most of us here choose to believe in science, some of hold religious beliefs as well.
Compare how popular TV Drama is compared to TV Science and you get your answer as to why people want to believe in conspiracy theories.
Especially when they are "Backed Up" with a little bit of Pseudo Science.
The best answer is promote science and the development of inquiring minds.
This is certainly what I aim to do on my site askthescienceguru.com , its all about finding the balance.
Understanding that we are capable of reason yet driven by emotion
May 26th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Good article, no scientific proof of a Planet-X i agree, although i have tried to read about it. I think its important to keep an open mind on all subjects especially where the governments are concerned. After all it isnt easy to dismiss things like the Doomsday vault in norway or the vast underground bases whitch have been built since the 1960's. Maybe they do know something? the Planetary alignment of 2012 could be very significant and we only have to look at the condition of our dwindling eco system and north pole to see evidence that we could possibly be in for one hell of a ride up to and beyond 2012.
May 26th, 2008 at 4:42 am
"This article is stupid. Planet X IS REAL. Open your eyes"
May 26th, 2008 at 4:42 am
Oh and could anyone give me the reason why the new Mars polar images are in black and white? now that does seem odd!
May 26th, 2008 at 4:53 am
Something really with happen December 21st 2012, namely what happens every year, the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere.
May 26th, 2008 at 6:01 am
I'm much more interested in what will happen on December 24st 2012, 'cause that's my birthday!
Great article though, keep up the good work.
TV Science actually had a phase of popularity, but unfortunately many those shows have recently fallen back into their former pseudo-scientific habits. Why watch TV if you can read sites like this?
May 26th, 2008 at 6:33 am
The Mayan calendar ends October 28th 2011, not in December of 2012. If you plan on using fear at least get the facts straight
May 26th, 2008 at 6:56 am
TV Science actually had a phase of popularity, but unfortunately many those shows have recently fallen back into their former pseudo-scientific habits. Why watch TV if you can read sites like this?
May 26th, 2008 at 7:02 am
This article is stupid. Planet X IS REAL. Open your eyes , there is documented proof and videos to correlate such evidence. Writing up a article with nothing whatsoever to back up ones view is in itself quite absurd. 2012 will be a new era, no doomsday, no destruction, but a new beginning of great change.
May 26th, 2008 at 7:32 am
People should look to the North and South of Earth and await the inevetable. Wobbles and tilts. Where will you land when it happens, with two poles running round the Equator and all that water. If we could go back in time and ask Noah, probably water would not move as much as land would no matter what speed the Earth shifted. Perhaps global warming would prevent the poles shifting and killing a fair portion of humanity, animals included. Check all the funny magnetic rocks scattered all over the world. Could the scientists debunk a theory such as the one cataclysm here and now, or should we start buying boayancy aids. Sea shells on top of mountains, lost civilisations, Mayans included. Stardate 2012 log out now.
May 26th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Please check the replies as it looks like it took 55 minutes for two people to write the exact same words, how freeaky is that, perhaps it's a conspiracy.
May 26th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Dang, and I thought the Brain Crane was surely one of those Planet X Aliens!
May 26th, 2008 at 8:23 am
I wanted to join in for the discussion on 2012: No Doomsday, the first string of comments peaked my interest and it appeared to have a progressive direction…but when I noticed how tiny the scroll bar was on my browser I knew it was not a good sign.
Not being baptized and given the choice to find my own answers to the universe from my parents, religion has been something I have sought to understand my entire life and how/why an individual would give up their freedom in favour of blind faith.
Like many I have been doing a lot of research about this topic, but I fell into from reading actual history and most of my sources have been books. Not the internet. Books. I'm sure the doomsday types are wondering what a book is right now, or ha they may be google searching youtube for the answer.
I tried to read as many of the comments, but it really hit low levels of social interaction and literally wound up being nothing more then name calling, judgemental ignorance, and basic gutter trash logic.
I think only one person actually gave a source for what he said, the egyptian tool guy which I actually found kind of interesting. He was accused of photoshopping his images and making it all up of course.
After everything I read I think this whole conspiracy phenomenon needs to be judged from a different perspective: religion.
In my eye faithless mind I see no difference between "cultists" or "christians" or "muslims" etc. Its all just blind faith to me, something that I have never understood and I hope I never will.
Cheers, thanks for the great read.
May 26th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Carlos said:
"This article is stupid. Planet X IS REAL. Open your eyes , there is documented proof and videos to correlate such evidence. Writing up a article with nothing whatsoever to back up ones view is in itself quite absurd. 2012 will be a new era, no doomsday, no destruction, but a new beginning of great change."
You did not back up your own conclusions with any evidence, either. What kind of great change? The dawn of a new era where people no longer have to back up their claims?
May 26th, 2008 at 8:57 am
I see all points you have offered but things in space can change in a blink. What some think they know can easily turn to the unknown! I am not saying Nibiru will destroy everything or that there is even a planet-x but your writing like your words are final…â€It is by logic that you prove but by intuition that you discover. Imagination is more important then knowledge. Knowledge is limited, Imagination encircles the World.†Albert Einstein
The fact that we have known all this information on pulsars and then bam we find out something new, one of them are locked in orbit, this is just one example. Any past writings on this unknown topic could possibly be wrong without any data to back these theories means this is all talk and nothing more. People will always have stories and an imagination, once we have proof then people will say oh ok. But until then don’t be so judgmental to the people who have the imagination to think for themselves. And when has the Government been completely honest, when? Thanks for the post Ian.
May 26th, 2008 at 9:00 am
"It has been tracked by infrared observatories"
Could the infrared signature be that of a Dyson Sphere ?
That'd be a lot more exciting than anything else.
May 26th, 2008 at 9:01 am
I personally would love it if someone created a t.v. series out of all these nutty conspiracy theories, would be a great show to watch. I really would love to see the nibiru episode. Not to mention all the crazy talk about the denver airport's underground research labs manned by those crazy grey aliens. Damn good t.v., sci-fi channel anyone?
Thanks for the debunking!
May 26th, 2008 at 9:01 am
i agree with you, if an object in space moved from 50 billion miles away to 7 billion miles away in an 8 year period between '84 and '92, and logically it would still be accelerating as it continued to approach the sun, it should have reach us and destroyed us by 1995-98.
Clearly, it didn't and clearly they are not the same object. Nevertheless, that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 still frightens me.
May 26th, 2008 at 9:15 am
More then ten years ago, my sister and I watched a program on Discovery Channel about Dec. 21, 2012. A nice family was enjoying a pre-Christmas dinner when suddenly, the tree fell over, the cat went nuts and attacked the mom, and the hot waffle iron leaped up and attached itself to the Dad's face. A stick figure deer became alive and attacked the little girl. My sister and I had tears of laughter streaming down our faces.
Supposedly, animals and machines will rise up against their owners just as the Mayan calender runs out. If you think this is going to happen, you're an idiot.
May 26th, 2008 at 10:20 am
1st to Ian, thanks, great research, great read.
This Marshall Masters and his crap started to worry me a wee bit
Well,
We, the carbon copies, are what we are, fallible humans, equipped with lots of creativity, fantasy, etc.
I, admittedly am a great fan of good SF, the foreteller of things to come…. Arthur C. Clarke, Heinlein, Herbert, etc.
We are in for a collision some day ahead in the future, thats for certain. So in order not having to wait 8 Million or so years lets get at it and produce a TV series and/or a movie about all this entertaining crap. ha. From the proceeds we build a half assed spaceship with Holtzmann Drive and get the hell out of this crazy place…. Wanna a join the club?
IKE:)
May 26th, 2008 at 10:52 am
I'm with you IKE:) Everyone who wants to do this, should donate to IKE and I. Let's get this ball rolling, and get out of this place!
May 26th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Hi Ian I am shocked.
This was such a nice and scary story.
Why did you take the magic away in such a cheapo way ?
I know you can build fear very well playing with stereotypes.
So why did you choose to abuse the nice doomsday pattern and now hop on the train of the deniers.
You can do better. Play with the fears straight as I like it from your articles and dont hide in denying the armageddon by dark matter, black holes and colliders.
your dissapointed fangirl Bellinda
May 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Intersting article, but the ancients, such as the Mayans, already knew about Uranaus and Pluto. White men confirmed what they said to be totally true, when the technology allowed for them to liteally see it, and then believe it, rename it, and call it a brand new discovery. Kind of like the Americas were discovered.
They claim there is another planet, or a crossing planet, "planet X" which will enter our system or be seen. Also NASA hides tons of stuff from us, I wouldn't doubt that they would do so in this case regarding a planet X. Just my two cents. Good article though.
May 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
If this is really going to happen, then I won't get to see the New Horizon pictures of Pluto. Hey what if Pluto is planet X? It might crash into the Sun making a supernova that destroys the entire universe!!!!
And yes I'm making fun of the dumb whackos who believe this shiznay!
May 26th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Kevin.
I am ignorant.. so could you please explain why you think Mayans knew about Uranus an Pluto? and, most importantly, where is the evidence of such knowledge?
May 26th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
well written. It's sad to see people believe in things that are so easily debunked. But it is a real shame when people take an easily refutable idea as an excuse to marginalize other possibilities, be them fantastic or mundane. I guess I'm just saying don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
May 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
You know the math is just not there to explain a Planet X some 7 billion or more miles out there, that is going to be here in 4 years.
Yet our fastest rocket powered probe ever launched, New Horizons is going to take over 10 years to travel half that distance to Pluto.
Therefore such a planet would have to be going more then 4 times faster then New Horizons, a feat not possible for any known planet, or star by less then extra ordenary means.
May 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Quite interesting how 'Voyager' confirmed the writings of Sitchin, that being detailed descriptions of the outer planets. Those descriptions are in his book, "The 12th Planet", published before "voyager" made their observations.
Interesting how archaeologist today, are finding ancient ruins of cities, in locations written about in Sitchin's books.
May 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Yes Planetwatcher..
, this will be the first and the last time.
And that means, that such an object is not and can not be in orbit around Sol.
Which means, even IF it is now approaching Sol (I would like to see this, really
May 26th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
It seems that both sides of this issue are somewhat reactionary and believe what they want to believe and look for evidence to support it. The debunkers are generally more virulent and that should tell you something about who are the most reactionary toward the possibility of major Earth changes in the near future.
May 26th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Ron,
It is not the issue of belief… It is the issue of reliable evidence.
There is none that support or even suggest the existence of planet X so far. Especially not in old scriptures.
May 26th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
The big problem all of these space conspiracy and doomsday cultists have is that while they claim knowledge and evidence, they can never back it up. Ever. They have nothing that makes sense or that can be measured, quantified, or reproduced. And when you call them on it, then they say, "Oh, why don't you open up your mind? Science doesn't have all of the evidence."
Sure. Science does not have all of the answers. Not yet. But over hundreds of years, science has discovered the universe as we know it. Amateur astronomers get this, but most others don't — up until the early part of the 20th Century, the universe was not known. Galaxies were not understood as galaxies before Edwin Hubble's observations. The scale of the universe — the size and distance between objects — was really unknown. Only in the last 50 years of human history have we truly begun to understand the universe as it really exists. And since so few people take the time to study and understand, they fall back on an ancient human trait — belief in charlatans.
Ancient civilizations with advanced knowledge — that would be cool, huh? Except that nothing like it has survived. Maybe we'll uncover some amazing new ruin someday. Maybe. Someday. Until then, show me the real evidence.
May 26th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
whoa……..
cool articles…….
thanks for putting the articles together ian….
save my time when on browsin
it kinda gives me inspiration and idea for my writings….
also it helps me answer my little brother question about the doomsday and planet x thing…
once again, great article and thank you cuz ur article kinda gives me inspiration.
*cHeeRz
May 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
"Ancient civilizations with advanced knowledge — that would be cool, huh"
when you look at the obsession that ancient cultures had with precession and the lengths they went to express it be it through geographical or astronomical alignment, or through the vehicle of myth you would be hard pressed to deny their possession of "advanced knowledge". I offer this link to the curious.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/
May 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
A great article!
But I can tell you the REAL reason Nibaru won't plow into the inner solar system on Dec. 21, 2012. My buddies living at "the pyramid complex" near the Face on Mars at Cydonia have a big euchre tournament scheduled for that night.
They're not going to let ANYTHING mess with that.
May 26th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Jason, this is just coincidence..
Even today when the information exchange is instant, we are not doing anything in unison..
Lets be real.
What makes you think there is any substance to any of this? I know it is easy to just point to a link..
What I want to see here is much more.. I want to know why people believe in this, what is that convince you it is worth thinking about it (apart from pure amusement and pass time)?
May 26th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
There will be no problem with NIBIRU due to its stable orbit around the sun.
NIBIRU IS the planet referred to in writings concerning the NEPHILIM and the Elohim of the old testament and the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to the ANUNAKAI who were ancient gods of the Sumerians and were recorded as having a reptilian resemblance by some.
The Nephilim controlled their puppet leaders at different locations around the earth , including all the Pharos of Egypt
Nibiru does come close to earth periodically every 20,000 to 30,000 years and we will receive our periodic visit from the Anunakai but NOT in 2012 … so ENOUGH about that stupid date !
What I think is , that too many humans have a guilty conscience and are so obsessed with the predictions of Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce and the bible and such that they really need to … get a life !
The complete solar system is in harmony and 2012 is just an insignificant date
and will pass calmly just as the year 2000 passed with nothing unusual happening.
The Anunakai punished the inhabitants of earth in the past for their own purposes but that problem was sorted out and dealt with once and for all … Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood and all that sort of thing.
The sky is not falling or going to fall.
May 26th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
The undoubtable reason why Planet X exists:
1.
Where are bigger planetoids behind Pluto, Pluto included now!?
All are close to their extremes of their orbits!!!!
Eris present-current distance 97AU!!!,Aphelia97AU,..perihelia38AU
2003EL61 52AU!!!,….52AU,…… 35AU
2005FY9 52AU!!!!,…52AU,…….39AU
2003UB313-Sedna 90AU!!! 975,6AU,…. 76,2AU
Pluto
close toperih. 49AU,………30AU
Orcus 48AU!!! 48,3AU 30,5AU
Quaoar 45AU 42AU-nearly circular orbit
http://www.solstation.com/stars/orcus.htm
Qaoar is circa 43AU from us-nearly circular orbit.,…
You anti Planet X scepticts have NO theory why are dwarf planets behind Pluto, Pluto included so close to their extreme points on their orbits. My theory was presented in previous discussion comments,…
I made my conclusions. Probability to have all planetoids close to perihelia, or aphelia (without proper reason) is less than 1:100000!!!! Pavel Smutny
Amendment to orbital speeds of planetoids due to opposite motion of Sun with inner planets toward X is circa 0.5km/s when planetoids behind Pluto have orb. speeds circa till 4km/s. This make effect of more elipsoidal paths of those planetoids than they are in real state. Next conclusion is that X so must be much closer than those Planetoids. X is somewhere behind Saturn what is aprox. 5 years to perihelia of X,…2012
Those appearant eliptical changes of planetoid's orbits are circa more than 40 percent opposite to real nearly circular orbits so it corresponds to that 0,5km/s amendment to orbital speeds of planetoids. That 0,5km/s amendment is also speed of Sun with indoor,…planets toward X what corresponds to X with mass 25Jupiters approaching to perihelia in distance 1,8mld. km from Sun.
If you can give other solution for those facts so please give them here. If you you have no explanations for those facts so your arguments are only bla bla bla,…..
May 26th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Pavel,
I still fail to see why the plane X must exist..
Please show me exactly where and how in your explanation follows the existence of planet X …
May 27th, 2008 at 6:54 am
I disagree with you Ian and with most of the naysayers: there must be some truth to Planet X despite all appearances to the contrary.
Denying so lightly its very existence is ignoring the considerable research done by Zecharia Sitchin, and the fact that this planet was venered in babylonian times. Besides it's also mentionned in the Old Testament under the name of 'Olam'.
Mr Sitchin thinks it's a real planet (he told me so in a letter), but in my view it could as well be a giant artificial body because it's difficult to conceive of such a planet with intelligent beings on it in the cold recesses of our own solar system, if his Annunakis theory is correct.
I propose to everyone to really keep an open mind, because I'm quite sure that we hvn't seen the last of Planet X.
May 27th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Hi Patrick,
I do see what you're saying, but surely for a credible theory about Planet X appearing in 2012, there needs to be some shred of evidence.
As I've outlined above, the key pieces of astronomical evidence (i.e. the 1983 and 1992 NASA observations) are wrong. Even the doom-and-gloom "Planet X and How to Survive 2012" series of videos (http://yowusa.com/planetx/2007/planetx-2007-08b/1.shtml) by Marshall Masters propagates this inaccuracy. There is no modern-day evidence for Planet X. Historical, biblical and mythical explanations may be out there, but this in no way proves the existence of Planet X today. If it's there, where is it? (And don't use the government conspiracy line, it's getting tired.)
I actually really want to know about this evidence Planet X supporters keep bringing up - but so far, nothing has been brought forward. And by evidence I mean actual scientific reasoning, not "because Zecharia Sitchin said so".
Cheers, Ian
May 27th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Hello Ian ,
The problem with producing evidence regarding really ancient ocurrences and actual ancient peoples, lies in the method of LABELING them.
Ancient time periods e.g as the list of ACTUAL KINGS goes only back so far in time and for any further back in time they refer them to the age of GODS AND HEROS and heros and no real respect is rendered.
An example of this arrogance is TROY which was considered by many to be fiction … Until it was found by an AMATURE archeologist with an OPEN MIND.
Now the planet Nibiru and the ANUNAKI and the DEAD sea Scrolls have an ancient origin and so they like the JOURNEY OF GILAMESH must also be fables according to prejudiced methods of reasoning . This BIGOTED thinking led them to believe that the Anunaki and Gilamesh were of the god's and heros category.
With all due respect then , maybe they are only conjectures that they actually were Kings and not merely IDIOTIC Gods created in the minds of those stupid hunters and gatherers who existed way back then.
Are you really sure and have PROOF that the people eons ago were only hunters and gatherers.
Human arrogance is continually being exposed e.g in our conceptions of the intelligence of ANIMALS.
In some sense , the professors can't bring themselves to consider animals ..even their own pets as having intelligence and also their EGOS would be crushed if evidence were found that eons ago these ancient peoples were really NOT just hunters and gatherers.
If it were found that Fido was really smart or even smarter and just manipulating his master for security reasons , their masters would be crushed and devastated..
Many boundaries are continually being pushed back and everyone likes to have an inferior to kick around so one must understand the mind set of PHDs who have degrees in the SOFT Sciences like politics , Economics ,Archeology etc i.e , those where political judgement calls and not HARD science take over. Too much of these Phd's (GURU'S) time is spent in protecting their turf .
May 27th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Hi Adam, I'm not too sure what you are getting at with that argument, but this isn't a lesson in keeping an open mind. I have no agenda, I'm not protecting any agenda, I'm simply dredging up any science on the Planet X speculation.
You say Troy was thrown in the "myth" category, but after a long search, new evidence came to light, proving the existence of the civilization. Much effort has been put into trying to find Planet X, but nothing has been found. This is the consequence of rigorous scientific study. There are more minor planets out there, sure, but none of them match the description of a long-period brown dwarf bringing doomsday to our doorstep.
This hunt has been going on since before the discovery of Pluto in the 1930's, now we are lucky enough to have advanced technology to help our search for Planet X. Still, we have found nothing out there threatening Earth.
I am far more concerned about the agendas of the doomsayers who have a book to sell. You'll find at the end of any doomsday trail comes the promotion about a new book or DVD. Usually with a rigorous scientific study, the trail ends with a scientific journal publication (whether it be peer reviewed or not). There is no paper out there detailing the scientific discovery of evidence for Planet X.
I have a very open mind, but I also have a strong belief in seeing the wood through the trees; take a step back and overview the subject and you'll find Planet X is pure fantasy.
Cheers, Ian
May 27th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Good article.
I take no stance on the issue because it can't be proven beyond any doubt to exist or not exist, just enjoy reading speculations like this.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:51 am
PURE BUNK1 Thanks for the history of NIBIRU, never understood it b4. As I pointed out, though, there is some scientific evidence to support the Mayan date of October, not December 2012. Fun to talk about. How about doing one on the magna pool under Yellowstone?
May 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
We talk about science? Ancient Sumerians 5800 years ago knew abot solar system!!! We stil debute abou how many planets are in solar system!!! What about Mayan calendar? What about Bible? What about Iching? I dont want to believe either but … You all shold consider this thopic from diferent aspects, not only astonomical.
Sorry my bad english.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I really enjoyed this article. I have often wondered about all of this 2012 talk and honestly have never had a bigger sense of dread for mankind. But I, like many people who do not research the facts believed whatever they were told on a whim. I also think people like to believe this stuff just like we like to see a car crash or some other example of destruction.
I have a question though. If something were to come around and cause all this destruction, doesnt that mean that it has happened in the past to some extent? And would that not show up in geological history? There would have to be some sort of evidence for this occurring before. I could be totally off. Just my thoughts.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
The human rase is very arrogant. We think we know everything. Well we dont. The more we research the more we see how much is out there we dont know. And we allways waiting for a hard evidence to believe in something and as always untill this hard evidence come it will be too late. Anyway: "Ke sera sera", what will be will be. Let the games begin.
May 27th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
As a lay person who knows very little about astronomy etc. I became interested in this subject after logging onto Google earth to view the stars. When I found a blacked out area I became curious as to why. This in turn led me to many different sites talking about Planet X. (the blacked out area was where this object was supposed to lurk). I wish this issue could be cleared up for me as trying to get to the truth is driving me crazy.
May 27th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Hi Geof,
"If something were to come around and cause all this destruction, doesnt that mean that it has happened in the past to some extent? And would that not show up in geological history?"
Well, this is my question too. The thing is, as we have little clue about the orbital period of Planet X (although many of the doomsday websites point to various legths of time between orbits), they point to big Earth events like the extinction of the dinosaurs, the Maunder Minimum (linked with the Little Ice Age, sunspots etc), documented increases in meteorite impacts etc… but there is little evidence pointing to any huge geological upheaval (in the last million years at least).
I too would be interested to hear of a periodic date that represents each orbital pass of this hypothetical planet.
Cheers, Ian
May 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Shamus Says:
"Zeb, I could be wrong but I don't think there is such a thing as a winter solstice, I think you meant winter equinox."
Shamus, there is a winter solstice (think: sol (i.e. sun) stice ( as is stasis; or stands still). The sun stands still in winter at its most southerly point (in the northern hemisphere) before beginning its rise to the summer solstice. The equinoxes, (in the northern hemisphere: vernal = spring and autumnal = fall) occur between the solstices when day and night are of equal length ( about March 21 and Sept 21).
Perhaps the most sad thing about the fantasies concerning 2012 is that focusing on this imaginary Armageddon insults the true wonder on the Mayan civilization. (Think, what is the latest date of any calendar produced by our civilization? Whatever it is, does it portend some cataclysmic event or just the end of the most distant date thought likely to be useful by the printer of the calender?)
The true wonder on that civilization is found in their architecture that spans many thousands of years: as unique and spectacular as any Greek or Roman architecture: their ceramics were made in a large variety of forms and decorated with complex scenes. The Mayans also designed works of art from flint, bone and shell, along with making decorated cotton textiles despite their lack of many advanced technologies that would seem to be necessary for such constructions. Their mortar consisted of crushed, burnt, and mixed limestone that mimicked the properties of cement and was used just as widely for stucco finishing as it was for mortar. The Maya were resourceful in harnessing energy, creating amazingly sophisticated works of art and engineering and sustaining a civilization for approximately 1,500 years.
Why do so many small people belittle such an amazing people by making up silly stories when they could truly honour them by learning about the Mayans?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Ian,
OK I think it's time for a basic review here:
1. An ancient civilisation of human beings not from Earth is supposed to have existed.
2. They were said (by Sumerians, etc) to dwell on a mythical 'planet' called by various names located in our own solar backyard, with an elongated orbit which should bring it back near Earth sometime in the near future (but no one knows when exactly).
3. The existence of that object has not yet been proven astronomically speaking.
4. The Mayan calendar stops in 2011 or 2012, and no one knows why.
5. Some have made a connection between this calendar and Planet X, where there might be none at all unless Mayans knew of its 'existence' and knew that it would come back in 2011 or 2012, but in that case, how did they know that ?
6. Since the so-called 'Nephilim' or 'Annunakis' beings did not reveal their secrets, we are left in our ignorance and speculations.
7. I have studied the works of Zecharia Sitchin because he is the only one to have done this sort of original in-depth research, but I admit that I do not always agree with his controversial ideas, especially the question of what Nibiru is exactly: a brown dwarf ? a planet ? from ancients witnesses it seems to be a real planet with 4 satellites.
8. However it's obvious that no intelligent world could have evolved on a very cold icy planet with such an impractical orbit. So we are left with a mystery, if there is one.
9. I propose that Planet X could be an artificial planet, a Dyson sphere or whatever, and not necessarily spherical in shape. By artificial I mean it could be part real planet and part construction, or a complete construction although such a thing may seem totally impossible today.
10. Being a ufologist since a long time for me it's obvious that UFOs do exist, and that they are 'coming from somewhere' !
11. The next big question for everyone interested:
Is there a connection between this hypothetical Planet X and the continuous presence of UFOs in our skies since millennia ? if X doesn't exist, then from where do they come from ? Eric julien has offered that they come from just anywhere because they use space-time distortions to travel very fast.
We don't have enough informations today to form a precise judgement on all these questions, but I agree that it's a very fascinating subject.
Cheers,
Patrick Moncelet
May 28th, 2008 at 2:54 am
2.
I am from Slovakia. There was (in July 2007) absolute temperature maximum during history of all measurements in Slovakia (40,3C) and in the most of Central European countries. Last 12 months were 3C above average. There are very often catastrophic floods, super strong blasts of winds (3years ago nearly whole High Tatras were deforested by such strong wind,…). Once there are periods of nearly catastrophic dry months, in the next months are floods. In such or in other forms there are big changes over the whole Globe. Climate scientiests had forecasted some years ago, that north ice cap would lost some big part of its area in 2040. Japan scientiests had found it is so in this summer, not in 2040. Why is it so?!
There is clear significant amendment of man activities (deforestation, burning of fosil, non fosil, new big industrial areas covered by concrete, asphalt,…). But is it all?
2.
There are many historical artefacts what speak that we have here - in our sol. sys. minimum one very massive object with long periodicity-Senmut map, Dendera zodiac, Narmer palette, funeral banner from tomb of markiza Tai, Mayan codexes, Enuma Elish, Biblical texts from Book of Job,Texts from pyramids,…
3.
Global warming is not only on Earth but also on Mars,…-the same level of acceleration, big perturb. in orbits of moons of Uranus, retrograde motion of Neptune’s moon Titan-signs also after sudden temperature change on one half of surface, doubled atmosferic pressure after some years…
There is acceler. of shifts of motions of magnet. poles on Earth, but also on Saturn,…
4.
results, graphs of GISP, Vostok projects-regular circa 1500 years intervals sharp peaks during last 40000 years,…
5.
Accelerating Solar activity-max. per. 8000 years now?! Jupiter in aphelia in 2011, the strongest solar maximum per last 400 years - forecasted on 2011, 2012 even by official astronomers.
Sun’s axis is also approx. in plain pointing on Orion,…Sun’s, Moon;s eclipses are in March, September now - around equinoxes, what show that also knots of Moon’s path /main axes of Moons orbit show on Orion,..Eclipses (in 2011,2012 ) will be during end of December and close to Venus transit time!
6.
As of Feb. 6, Pioneer 10 was about 92.12 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun and headed towards the constellation Taurus.The discrepancy found that Pioneer 10 and 11 were each about 240,000 miles (400,000 kilometers) closer to the Sun than they should be according to the current understanding of gravity.
Pioneers slowing (400,000km, or 1000x more!?) when these probes are circa 14mld. km from us show, that gravity of that body (X) causing this disproportion is 10x mass of Earth or even 30mass of Jupiter?! Why is source of that extra gravity pointing to Sun? It is so, because X is now much more closer to Sun than are Pioneers now!
Hurricanes frequency, their power acceleration in last years, increasing number of floods, super strong winds, tornados, temperature extremes-anomalies, growing number of London Thames Barrier closures due to extreme surges,…
and many other facts speak that we have in solar system not only tenth Xena, but also something much heavier till 25 Jupiters-maybe micro black hole?!,black dwarf star,…?!
and that objects is approaching perihelia,..
I made detailed simulations in WinOrsa and they show, that it is possible!
what do you think about? hamops1.szm.sk
:
People too much trust to official scientiests. Look on Venus cycles-Mayan Codexes handle with them preciously. There are enough written messages about what happened circa 11500 years ago, 13000 ago.
Plato, Menetho,..spoke about it too, they mentioned exact date (9500B.C.), what coincidence with GISP2 data, graphs- it is written in ice core too (Gisp2, Vostok projects). North pole shifted 15-20 degree, mamoths were frozen to -70C, but with subtropical, savannah food in stomaks,….Big earthquakes, vulcanoes explosions - coincidence with Venus cycles/transits (Krakatoa-1882,416 A.D.).
Scientiests had also found that super strong earthquakes in Mediterranian area (Lebanon,..) have periodicity 1200-1700years-what agree with Planet X-Nibiru periodicity,…
Flood is very precisely described in Genesis, there is Exodus, there are also Jesus forecasts about end of days/- what is described over there-it support X theory,…
People think, that X if such planet exist must significantly perturb orbits of planets, it must be clearly visible.
Yes it is so, but only when X is close to perihelia. Deformations on orbits of planetoids, of Pluto - offic. scientiests considered to be normal, but it is stupidity.
Look on Jupiter, Venus- how massive and close are these planets to Earth and what are perturbancies caused by these planets on Earth,…too small. X is 2x farther then Jupiter now, if X will be in perihelia in 2012,….
7.
People also know too little about various secret projects, researches, labs. There are many scientiests involved, but we don’t know results of such researches, though we common people pay it.
There are only small pieces of informations what were given to public, or escaped incidentally,…
for example those infos from ACIO project (wingmakers.com) about BST technologies,….jumps into various causal points of time,-projects going behind-advancing Philadelphia experiment-Montauk project,….
they-Dr. Neruda, Anderson speak about 2011-point where is difficult to go behind,….there are pictures-painting describing very probably arrival of X to perihelia,….
official point of view of usas government is,†if there will be some body endangering Earth we will prevent people from to know it, due not to panic,…bla bla, bla†It was published in ofic. newspapers.
hamops1.szm.sk/
mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/
mujweb.cz/Veda/mikrovlna
mujweb.cz/Veda/akustika
mujweb.cz/Veda/narmer
mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/
mujweb.cz/spolecnost/gothic
mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode alsohere it isdescr. how are synchronised orbit of planets and of X
mujweb.cz/spolecnost/sedna look here for explanation of shifts of planets
senmut.szm.com/
.revenus.szm.sk/
Pioneers 10 and 11 have signif. discrepances, delays from forecasted positions, it is on:
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975GeoRL…2..265H
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001gr.qc…..7092S
space.com/scienceastronomy/0703…ioneeranom.html
there are some data but given with very unclear and not properly given reasons for dicrepancies,delays,….
There should be many big snowbals-planetoids, protoplanets on very prolongated eliptic orbits, or on circa circular orbits with radiuses much longer than that of Pluto,…
There are many dwarf stars, jovial planets, rests after star colissions,… what were ejected from mother planetary nebulas, from orbits at stars after supernova explosions,…
It is forecasted in the last time that there are many more brown, t- dwarf stars then normal sun-like stars, so where are these?. They are nearly invisible in space among bright stars. It is possible only with super strong telescopes to discover them and with bit of good luck. So also in the last years there were discovered next brown,..stars close to Sun in distances to 20LY,….
X, Nemesis are not unprobable but very probable objects,….very cold super densty, but small 100-1000km in diameterand so nearly invisible.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:03 am
Recent researches of Dr. Snow, Phd. Wambach, and of other psychologists, psychyaters (not only regresive but also progresive hypnosis is possible, was realised in their sesions,..) show that period till 2100 will be influenced by global catastrophy, big polution,…only 5 percent of respondents from researches (mainly americans) would live till 2100. regeneration of mankind would be higher only after 2300/2500 when 12 percent of respondents would be reincarnate,…
May 28th, 2008 at 3:03 am
Pavel,
Since you are from Slovakia, have you ever heard of the famous 'Moonshaft' which may prove to be an ancient construction deep inside the Tatra Mountains ? and shaped like a moon crescent hence the name.
Regards,
May 28th, 2008 at 4:46 am
I heard that story. There was article years ago how it was discovered during second world war,…that it looks artificial,…I try to find more,……
May 28th, 2008 at 5:59 am
And what about the "hollow" moon theory?
May 28th, 2008 at 6:26 am
OH Really ???I have been a sceptic all my life until……………..I started seeing implications that we were travelling to star systems for millions of years.We also were told of Agartha in a very peculiar source.Look in the Bible and ask yourself why GOD would care about the significance of what he mentions to JOB in Job 9:8-12This statement had nothing to do with Genesis or Revelations ………So why did God feel it was necessary to tell a Pharicee thruogh JOB about these places ????Which have also been referenced in all religous texts throughout the world .BECAUSE WE ARE SPIRITUAL EXTRA DIMENSIONAL ENTITIES .Yes it's physically possible…….Look into the extra-dimensional qualities of Quarks, Muons,Up-quarks,Down Quarks,Up Muons,Down Muons and so on…..Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm.So until SCIENCE actually becomes a Science utilizing all of the tools necessary for a believable answer, I am keeping my eyes to the sky and watch triangles jump from one portal to another in the Southwest sky .   Seeing is believing!!!!!!Simply watch for yourself if you want the real truth .  WAKE UP PEOPLE PLEASENobody wants you to join anything, Nobody wants your money, Nobody is refuting Christ,Nobody is refuting any religion. Doesn't sound like a cultist belief's to me !!!!Ask yourself …….Did I see the light ?? Do I believe now ???  If nothing else people use this information to be a better person.
Go ahead and look up JOB ch9: verses 8-12
Bear in mind when the New Testament {KING JAMES VERSION} was re-written they conveniently forgot to read what they were supposed to edit out and here in the middle of the Bible with no references to Genesis or Revelations you find that God created Arcturous{Bear} , Orion and Pleiades and the Chambers of the South. Why was this information relevant for a message to a person of power on Earth {The Pharisee}
God wanted the Pharicee to know that God was the ultimate in power that these things could never be matched by a HUMAN.
How did people know anything of star systems before Copernicus and Gallileo in the 1500's because we are from these star systems ,think about it. How did they know of the chambers of the South eaily seen on GOOLE EARTH in the middle of Antarctica………Go ahead look. We didn't go there until 1946 during Operation High Jump !! How the heck did one of the original authors and or King James cohorts know about star systems then and or a completely inaccessible land mass at the South Pole.
Until somebody can answer those questions…………..EVERYTHING IS TRUE………..ALL OF IT !!!!! Good, Bad , Ugly,
Conspiratory , End Times , Extra-DImensional
existences, and the Ultimate demise of the Crooked.
PEACE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS !!!!!!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am
that Moonshaft is somewhere between Plavnica and Stara Ľubovňa. It is among High Tatras and Levoca mountains,….
try to translate these pages trought google translator czech to english, slovak is not over there, or througt othe online translator slovak to english,..
casopisimidz.sk/jun-2007/zahada-mesacnej-jaskyne/
repciak.blog.sme.sk/c/138154/Existuje-tajomna-Mesacna-jaskyna.html
May 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Ian ,
You misunderstood my last statememt.
I am commenting , about the modern day archeologist's and other non hard science professionals who are the leaders of their field and have the power to stiffle the opinions of younger professors in their field.
Pure Mathematics is probably the only real bedrock field where opinions do not rule and the final proofs of the conjectures reign . Sometimes the proofs are difficult and it may take some time for it to be accepted as a finalized proof. It only takes one counter example to prove the theorem false.
Applied mathematics as applied to Physics may not be capable of describing the universe or even of modeling things like the orbit of planet X … being as how the laws of physics don't even explain the discrepancies mentioned above.
Just as Godel's incompleteness theorem put limits on what true theorems in number theory we can prove , it is my opinion theta there is probably a limit on what we are capable of proving in applied physics as well .
So if we cant find Planet X it doesn't surprise me and it wouldn't surprise me that Nibiru - planet X exist or did exist and Gilemesh was a real Sumerian King and did actually go on a journey looking for the cure for aging from the Anunaki or that ancient advanced civilizations were here eons ago.
I only state that everyone who writes books , magazine articles gets paid for it and sometimes they are only giving their own opinion on issues.
Take Zecaria Sitchin for example ,
he is only expressing his opinions on what the ancient writings on stone , papyrus , monuments , pillars, stellai , walls etc may mean.
You and others in the Science fields are interpreting and expressing your opinions as to what the data from the latest scientific tools means to astronomers , cosmologists, physicists . All I am saying , everything is open to question unless it is in the field of Mathematics and has been proven.
In the field of physics problems arise when going from the microcosym and on to the macrocosym where there are strange new forces to deal with. The laws of Physics and constants such as the speed of light or the acceleration of the galaxies and even the Pioneer spacecraft may VARY beyond certain boundaries.
So, the hard sciences ( except for Mathematics ) are not so precise after all and just maybe Planet X or Nibiru are an enigma as yet to be explained by science.
Maybe you don't have the proper measuring instruments to locate Planet X due to its composition or something … maybe its made of dark matter.
Even Einstein was unsure about the gravitational constant .
Its good to have a foundation, be it religious or otherwise , but to scoff at opinions of others concerning witnessed events such as UFO sightings or write off ancient history as myth is foolish and like …. burning your bridges.
It is my opinion that we will never understand the "Mind Of God" as Stephen Hawkins and I don't think he really meant it literally.
I have an opinion that Space Elevators have only a small chance of being built successfully.
I believed in my mind that we might go to the Moon someday but it was only when I saw it live on TV that I believed it in my heart … but I never scoffed or sneered at the idea.
I believe in my mind that we will go to Mars someday and establish a base and colony there, but it was when I saw the recent photo taken by the MRO of the Phoenix spacecraft and its parachute descending to the surface of MARS that I believed "it will not be that hard" .
May 28th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I agree with you Adam: first the fact that astronomers have not yet discovered Planet X doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and second what they need is more rigorous observations and better telescopes and instrumentation, along with luck and intuition.
If it's really 'there', we'll find it sooner or later.
If it's not there, then at least we will have tried, but in that case how to explain those ancient references ?
May 29th, 2008 at 7:25 am
To Pavel Smutny. Could you please send some research file you send here in Slovak language to my e-mail adress. I would like to show them to my friends. I'm Slovak from Serbia. My e-mail is pausm@verat.net.
Vdaka.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hi Miroslav, my webs have addresses on hamops1.szm.sk, they have English and after it Slovak versions.
try also Skype,…
May 30th, 2008 at 3:13 am
It seems you've put a lot of hard work into nothing. A lot of people have known about Planet X for a long time.
I have an interest because I knew about it a long time before the internet was quite so accessable.
My interest grew as I have a rare blood group, Rhesus O Negative, which is often refered to as blue blood, maybe because of its connection to Royalty.
You may be aware that the Royal Family allegedly have the bloodline to Jesus, The Blackfoot Indians are also RH- and are descended from the Mayans and of course 1% of Asia is RH- and the Dali Lama is chosen by blood.
Rhesus Negative is a genetic mutation of unknown origins that occured about 25,000 years ago, the Egyptian Pharoahs were found to be RH- too, this mystery deepens……. Doesn't it ?
It also appears that RH- is responsible for schizophrenia, they love that bible crap those crazy people dont they ?
I really believe that religion is an ignorant mans way to explain science.
But back to Planet X, have a listen to Daniel Johnstons music, he's a paranoid schizophrenic, his songs are about the bible, monkeys, vampires, oh yes and Planet X, suppose rhesus negative and rhesus monkeys are not as interesting.
You will know who he is, the T-Shirt with a frog that Kurt Cobain was always seen wearing with a weird frog on it was one of Daniels Designs.
The world through a crazy persons eyes is like this……….
2000 years ago a lie was told about the origins of Rhesus Negative, ended with some dude being nailed to an X, the Catholic church murdered its way into power, by creating a climate of fear through inquisitions, witch hunts (culling of the bloodline), etc……
Then Politics and Lies, after lies. We are born into a society detached from reality.
The Crazy know exactly what caused that genetic mutation, the signs are everywhere, firstly all the greatest Artists are RH- and are about this big deception in one way or another, Then there is the Weather, natural disasters, which are slowly getting worse.
I think of it as a woman in labour.
So stop looking into the skies for answers to Planet X, the signs are everywhere.
PS take a look at my site, a bit more in depth
May 30th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Heres the site
http://wakeup.to/themeaningoflife
May 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am
from Colbrin,…..
THE DESTRUCTION AND RE-CREATION
It is known, and the story comes down from ancient times, that there was not one creation but two, a creation and a re-creation. It is a fact known to the wise that the Earth was utterly destroyed once then reborn on a second wheel of creation.
At the time of the great destruction of Earth, God caused a dragon from out of Heaven to come and encompass her about. The dragon was frightful to behold, it lashed its tail, it breathed out fire and hot coals, and a great catastrophe was inflicted upon mankind. The body of the dragon was wreathed in a cold bright light and beneath, on the belly, was a ruddy hued glow, while behind it trailed a flowing tail of smoke. It spewed out cinders and hot stones and its breath was foul and stenchful, poisoning the nostrils of men. Its passage caused great thunderings and lightnings to rend the thick darkened sky, all Heaven and Earth being made hot. The seas were loosened from their cradles and rose up, pouring across the land. There was an awful, shrilling trumpeting which outpowered even the howling of the unleashed winds.
Men, stricken with terror, went mad at the awful sight in the Heavens. They were loosed from their senses and dashed about, crazed, not knowing what they did. The breath was sucked from their bodies and they were burnt with a strange ash.
Then it passed, leaving Earth enwrapped within a dark and glowering mantle which was ruddily lit up inside. The bowels of the Earth were torn open in great writhing upheavals and a howling whirlwind rent the mountains apart. The wrath of the sky-monster was loosed in the Heavens. It lashed about in flaming fury, roaring like a thousand thunders; it poured down fiery destruction amid a welter of thick black blood. So awesome was the fearfully aspected thing that the memory mercifully departed from man, his thoughts were smothered under a cloud of forgetfulness.
The Earth vomited forth great gusts of foul breath from awful mouths opening up in the midst of the land. The evil breath bit at the throat before it drove men mad and killed them. Those who did not die in this manner were smothered under a cloud of red dust and ashes, or were swallowed by the yawning mouths of Earth or crushed beneath crashing rocks.
The first sky-monster was joined by another which swallowed the tail of the one going before, but the two could not be seen at once. The sky-monster reigned and raged above Earth, doing battle to possess it, but the many bladed sword of God cut them in pieces, and their falling bodies enlarged the land and the sea.
In this manner the first Earth was destroyed by calamity descending from out of the skies. The vaults of Heaven had opened to bring forth monsters more fearsome than any that ever haunted the uneasy dreams of men.
Men and their dwelling places were gone, only sky boulders and red earth remained where once they were, but amidst all the desolation a few survived, for man is not easily destroyed. They crept out from caves and came down from the mountainsides. Their eyes were wild and their limbs trembled, their bodies shook and their tongues lacked control. Their faces were twisted and the skin hung loose on their bones. They were as maddened wild beasts driven into an enclosure before flames; they knew no law, being deprived of all the wisdom they once had and those who had guided them were gone.
The Earth, only true Altar of God, had offered up a sacrifice of life and sorrow to atone for the sins of mankind. Man had not sinned in deed but in the things he had failed to do. Man suffers not only for what he does but for what he fails to do. He is not chastised for making mistakes but for failing to recognize and rectify them.
Then the great canopy of dust and cloud which encompassed the Earth, enshrouding it in heavy darkness, was pierced by ruddy light, and the canopy swept down in great cloudbursts and raging storm waters. Cool moontears were shed for the distress of Earth and the woes of men.
When the light of the sun pierced the Earth's shroud, bathing the land in its revitalizing glory, the Earth again knew night and day, for there were now times of light and times of darkness. The smothering canopy rolled away and the vaults of Heaven became visible to man. The foul air was purified and new air clothed the reborn Earth, shielding her from the dark hostile void of Heaven.
The rainstorms ceased to beat upon the faces of the land and the waters stilled their turmoil. Earthquakes no longer tore the Earth open, nor was it burned and buried by hot rocks. The land masses were re-established in stability and solidity, standing firm in the midst of the surrounding waters. The oceans fell back to their assigned places and the land stood steady upon its foundations. The sun shone upon land and sea, and life was renewed upon the face of the Earth. Rain fell gently once more and clouds of fleece floated across dayskies.
The waters were purified, the sediment sank and life increased in abundance. Life was renewed, but it was different. Man survived, but he was not the same. The sun was not as it had been and a moon had been taken away. Man stood in the midst of renewal and regeneration. He looked up into the Heavens above in fear for the awful powers of destruction lurking there. Henceforth, the placid skies would hold a terrifying secret.
Man found the new Earth firm and the Heavens fixed. He rejoiced but also feared, for he lived in dread that the Heavens would again bring forth monsters and crash about him.
When men came forth from their hiding places and refuges, the world their fathers had known was gone forever. The face of the land was changed and Earth was littered with rocks and stones which had fallen when the structure of Heaven c