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Exposing PseudoAstronomy Podcast Tackles Elenin Nonsense


A big thanks to Stuart Robbins for recording a special episode of his Exposing PseudoAstronomy podcast on the Comet Elenin scaremongering. Somebody needed to do it. Stuart explains Elenin, the crazy conspiracy theories about it, and the rational, science-based reality – it’s just a regular comet, that won’t get any closer to Earth than Venus, and might very well be breaking up. Not very scary.

Anyway, check out this episode and then dig into the Exposing PseudoAstronomy back catalog.

Thanks to @2012hoax for the link.

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Fraser Cain is the publisher of Universe Today. He's also the co-host of Astronomy Cast with Dr. Pamela Gay.

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  • Anonymous September 12, 2011, 11:53 PM

    ROTFL! CLASSIC! I know just who to send this to! Thanks~

  • sue September 13, 2011, 12:53 AM

    Here’s a few things they aren’t telling you…

    The swiss franc shows the solar system. The only day all the planets align as shown on the franc is September 26 / 27 2011….

    http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/1621010swissbanknote.jpg

    You can see it here http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0 scroll to Sept 27th and rotate it to the right angle.. This is the only day it will ever align like that..

    Then the later Swiss Franc http://c3.yousaytoo.com/rss_temp_image/pics/73/29/41/5620073/remote_image20110525-4748-xqjrmo-0.jpg shows humans changed, or aliens…

    comet elenins perihelion ( closest approach to the sun) happens on 911…. On the exact 10 year anniversity of the terror attacks..

    Obama will be in Denver on sept 27th.. (under denver airport is hUGE doomsday undreground bunkers.. http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2011/08/31/president-obama-to-come-to-colorado-sept-27th/37848/

    The movie Deep Impact showed us having a black president and a comet called ELE coming to hit earth .. In the movie ELE was discovered by a kid named LEO. Now here we are in 2011 and we have a comet ELENIN passing right by us in October 2011 and we have a black president.. And Elenin was discovered by a person named LEONID Elenin.

    February, 2011 – NASA shuts down their WISE satellite – a far better infrared telescope than IRAS was and responsible for discovering a large number of Near-Earth Objects (NEOs).

    March 30, 2011 – NASA shut down its Buzz Internet Forum almost immediately after someone posted a recalculated trajectory for Elenin at only 0.004 AU (that’s less than 40,000 miles from Earth) as opposed to the official claim of 20 million miles or more.

    April, 2011 – SETI shuts down their Allen Telescope Array, placed into “hibernation.” (The SETI Institute was founded in 1984, the year following the supposed discovery of Planet X and operates one of the only arrays of this kind.)

    July 21, 2011 – NASA shuts down its aging space shuttle mission and retires the fleet.

    August 1, 2011 – NASA openly admits that they will be turning the Stereo-B Satellite on a 135 degree roll downwards in order to observe the approaching comet Elenin.

    Late August, 2011 – Trips to the International Space Station are put on hold as a Russian rocket fails. Russia is now the only country that has the technology to ferry astronauts to the Space Station and all lift-offs are on hold.

    September 1, 2011 – NASA publicly considers abandoning the International Space Station and mainstream media stories of space debris begin circulating, along with science “advisors” speaking about the effects and potential outcome of an unmanned space station and various other space-related headlines surrounding the Space Station.

    last 2 alignments of elenin, sun, earth resulted in 8+ magnitude quakes. Chile and Japan

    Russian scientists have stated that they have discovered perturbations in Elenin’s orbit. Some have suggested this might mean it is orbiting another body, itself. Author Grenough suspects that Elenin is orbiting around Planet X / Nibiru, along with her 7 other moons.

    Chinese Director of Astronomical Research, Sergio Toscano, claims that there is an unidentified object behind Elenin, something he called a “cluster” and “space body.” This was corroborated by the Director of NASA’s Astrobiology program, Rosie Redfiel. Once projections and recalculations of Elenin’s orbit were made, they immediately removed the website which provided the information

    ELENIN baclwords is NIN ELE = 911..

    Nine + 1 + 1 = 11
    9/11 is the 254th day of the year.. 2+5+4= 11
    there are 111 days left in the year after 9/11
    The plane that hit the WTC was 111
    The plane operator was AA11
    SKyscraper has 11 letters
    The towers themselves looked like the number 11

    Watch out for September 27th and 11/11/11

    Otto Matic – is ELENIN’s name of person (or institution) who computed the orbit as on NASA http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0

    Google Otto Matic…. http://www.pangeasoft.net/otto/index.html .. Otto matic is a company that makes an Alien Attack game… And thats the company NASA is using to calculate the orbit of ELENIN and it’s even on the NASA site…

    • Voodoo Man September 13, 2011, 2:59 AM

      skyscraper is only ten letters…………….hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm grasping at straws?

    • Fraser Cain September 13, 2011, 4:08 AM

      You’re exactly the person who should listen to that podcast.

      • sue September 13, 2011, 1:27 PM

        Fraser, I am glad your a big enough person to not just delete my comment.. As I recognize you are the publisher. And yes, you do have the right to stand by your opinion.. I respect that..

        But I am a conspiracy believer through and through.. Perhaps I am playing the fool, but I’d rather play the fool than end up being a sheep.

        I don’t have time to respond to the individual debunkers, but I never said ELENIN is anything to fear… I never preached the angle that it will cause destruction or devastation. I am pointing out coincidences so people can make their own educated choices and decisions…

        Although not related, to me, this is the same as the government telling us that the Arabs hijacked our planes with box-cutters because they are jealous of our free society.. Perhaps I am wrong, but my better judgement tells me that this isn’t exactly how it went down..

        As I said, I admit I am a conspiracy believer through and through

        • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 2:14 PM

          I see both sides of this “Debate”. But I do feel there are only two certanties, Death and Taxes. While major disasters are always a very miniscule possibilty… Getting hit by a car, or having a house fire which can wipe out your entire familys is of massively greater possibility. There are younger ppl reading our comments who have less mature outlooks with very vivid imaginations. And Though I see both sides of the topic at hand. I like to practice keeping over hyped chat to, face to face. (Shame those men and women thought Hale Bop would….) But they also got it wrong. September 26, 27, 28. Even December 21 2012 will… I assure you be like any other boring normal day. Take care stay safe, check you smoke alarm. x

        • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 4:54 PM

          Your fanciful imagination indicates that you are a very creative person. Seeing patterns in nature is part and parcel to being human as we attempt to understand the world around us. While watching clouds on any given day it is easy for the mind to create familiar shapes. Feathers and fish and or other animals are quite common. This does not mean there are actually fish or cows or anything other than clouds flying above us (Maybe a jet or two?). These are clouds.

          Here’s an experiment for you to perform to see what I mean. Take a book off the shelf – any book will work though dictionaries work best? Some prefer to use the bible. Now think of something you are concerned about for a few minutes – say your job, your relationship with someone, or any other concern you might have. Now, at random, open that book to any page and find the first word that comes to mind. Say that word aloud. Close the book immediately and repeat the process several times, or until a pattern of words takes form.

          What will happen is simply amazing in its own right, that is to say, our brains are much faster than our conscious train of thought and will pick from that random selection of words a pattern related to whatever concern you originally meditated!

          This exercise can be used to reveal underlying subconscious thought. My point is… that seemingly random selection will form patterns in our mind(s)…. It is what we do with those patterns that is important. We are inundated every day with a plethora of information especially in regards to use of the resources available on television and the internet.

          May it be with the blessings of the Supreme Being that all your thoughts become clear and based on your true desires.

          And so it is…

        • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 5:02 PM

          Sue, you are hurting young kids and young mums with your claims.
          And yes we are talking about young kids with suicide in their minds.
          One of these young kids or young mums will be one of your family members maybe your own child.

          • David Greenberg September 13, 2011, 10:10 PM

            I don’t believe Sue has claimed anything, she has merely shared her opinions. Sue is responsible for her own views, and nobody else is, just as you for yours, and I for mine. Which kids do you believe have suicide in their mind? Suicide implies that they want to leave the planet. In this exciting time, I would think most kids would feel the exact opposite.. that kind of excitement about the times we are in, that many adults have forgotten. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

          • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:38 PM

            = Which kids do you believe have suicide in their mind? =

            Is this a joke? You never read the stories of kids deadly scared of these conspiracies? Did you know that some kids teachers are caught up in these believes and now are telling kids that they are going to die?

            Can you actually imagine that a 9 year old kid tells you that she does not want to die, and never have the change to grow old and never have a family because she is going to die? Are you human?

            Have you not read the stories that a 12 year old kid wants to stop school because he is going to die soon? Are you so alienated that you have no idea how damaging the flooding and spamming of the Elenin is going to kill us all has on young people?

            Sue is part of a mob hat terrorizes kids. What will her excuse be when gets sued by the families she wrecked? “It is not my fault?” “Ich habe est nich gewust?”

            Yes hard words, but I am tired of the damages these crazy claims does on young people again and again.

            Here you find some of the stories.
            http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/c-94179/stories

          • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:54 PM

            Exactly my point also. I have kids. I don’t allow them to watch “normal” telle. Children channel only in our house. They know whats really going on but there are limits to what I’ll allow them to see. I’m fed up of people continuing on with this “Doomsday” nonsense. IF it happens… It does. But these “Non sheep” are in their own right Terrorising other younger children who read these debates and are unable to process the content rationally. No offence, just an opinion.

          • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 5:15 PM

            It is not only though Youtube or TV, it is now also introducing by other kids in school, teachers and crazy neighbours. It is out of control.

            Anyone contributing to the conspiracies just by posting in a forum causes real damage to kids and young mums that just got their baby. No individual that has any humanity in them can even keep on promoting these theories when they know the damage they do.

          • Jon Voisey September 15, 2011, 4:35 PM

            Adding another example of this, when doing public outreach, I quite frequently get people asking, extremely worriedly about 99942 Apophis. They consistently hear that it’s “coming right at us” and is “likely” to hit us in 2036. One person I’ve talked to told me she was told this by her high school chemistry teacher.

            Bad science instills real fear.

          • volatile chemicals September 15, 2011, 3:52 PM

            Your ‘think of the children’ rationale equally qualifies as scaremongering. Honestly, can you believe that Sue should be responsible for juvenile suicide? While some of Sue’s claims are certainly outlandish, your response takes absurdity to new heights.

            Get a grip on yourself Olaf. This is the Internet where people should be free to expound their strangest theories without someone peddling ‘think of the children’ scare tactics. You sound like a faux news expose on teen marijuana use. Without a doubt her ideas are uncommon, but that does not equate to encouraging suicide.

          • Anonymous September 15, 2011, 7:04 PM

            Just read the stories at http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/c-94179/stories

            Then tell me if you still think it is harmless.

        • William Hudson September 13, 2011, 6:28 PM

          Sue;

          You are falling victim to your imagination. You are seeing patterns where none exist. Mike Shermer calls this ‘patternicity’. There’s a good video of him talking about this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o

          • David Greenberg September 13, 2011, 10:13 PM

            Fortunately it sounds like Sue doesn’t have a victim mentality, so I doubt she’ll fall victim to anyone or anything. However, it’s clear that she’s done her research and dot-connecting, and I applaud her for it. In light of her amazing findings, your, er, information about Mike Sherman is… interesting

          • Daryl Gordon September 15, 2011, 1:51 AM

            Also known as the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/09/11/the-texas-sharpshooter-fallacy/

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 7:44 AM

      If that’s a spoof then you spent too much time on it. If you take LSD (I’m not suggesting you should) you will find even more connections which are equally flawed, a result of the associative pattern finding capabilities of your wetware being chemically skewed. It’s hard to believe your own logic can be wrong but the good news is, if you study some critical thinking books and practise some CBT you can overcome your anxieties and watch the skies with joy.

    • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:44 AM

      Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
      Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

      P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

      P.P.S: I may have posted the message twice (or more) because of my browser …. I’m asking the moderator to please remove the the other messages, as I wanted this to be a reply to “Sue”

    • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:44 AM

      Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
      Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

      P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

      P.P.S: I may have posted the message twice (or more) because of my browser …. I’m asking the moderator to please remove the the other messages, as I wanted this to be a reply to “Sue”

    • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:44 AM

      Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
      Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

      P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

      P.P.S: I may have posted the message twice (or more) because of my browser …. I’m asking the moderator to please remove the the other messages, as I wanted this to be a reply to “Sue”

    • Woodpeace September 13, 2011, 5:48 AM

      sue, if you want us to take what you are saying seriously then stop quoting every idiotic piece of “evidence” that you can find on the web – if you believe an article that has been listed, find another site that duplicates the findings (not another site that quotes the original source), then compare the evidence from sites that challenge this view such as an astronomy or debunking site. I understand that there is alot of info out there but what is fact and what is fiction? ask youself some sensible questions who and when was the swiss franc designed? is Elenin a very common russian name (yes it is), why would the governments leave so many clues to give conspiracy theorists a chance to speculate this nonsense, and why does every person that believes this debacle choose an Americanised date 9/11 instead of the 11/9 – Elenin backwards to me is 9th of November – or being in England should I just read it forwards – no they say it cos it suits to add fuel to the fire. I am not unsympathetic but please visit the site stated above – it might just restore you some peace of mind and to all others please dont ridicule there are people with genuine fears out there who maybe need a nudge in the right direction
      thank you

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 4:31 PM

      “The movie Deep Impact showed us having a black president…’

      Well isn’t *that* a radical concept. (See James Earl Jones in ‘The Man.’ What do we ‘predict’ from that? Morgan Freeman also played God, in ‘Bruce almighty.’. Theological implications there?)

      “… and a comet called ELE coming to hit earth”

      ELE wasn’t a name, only a reference to the expected damage as an ‘Extinction Level Event.’

      I’ll let others deal with the rest of this, if they choose…

      • David Greenberg September 13, 2011, 10:15 PM

        Since you only took on two points, and weren’t able to successfully take them on, may we assume you’ve punted? thanks for sharing your opinion

        • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 12:24 AM

          Are you the arbiter of ‘success?’ ‘Deep Impact’ was a fictional movie that purports to predict nothing. It’s not the only film with a black president. (a point around which the plot of ‘The Man’ turns, but is purely incidental to ‘Deep Impact.’ Any man or woman with good acting talent and looking sufficiently ‘presidential’ could have been in that role.)

          Don’t take my word on the meaning of ‘ELE,’ (it was initially thought to refer to the female name ‘Ellie.’) see the movie. The WTC towers are also destroyed in that film…I’m surprised nothing was read into that, as well.

          Sorry, I just don’t have time or desire to take up this space with addressing the remaining…points. If that equals default or surrender to you, then so be it. It’s just numerology.I admit I can’t deal with what Pauli described as ‘That’s not right – that’s not even wrong.’

          But at least it’s sort of falsifiable. See you in 2012…and after.

    • Tammy D September 13, 2011, 8:07 PM

      short post from another non-sheepal! Our family is on the same thinking as you Sue. Best Wishes.

    • Tammy D September 13, 2011, 8:07 PM

      short post from another non-sheepal! Our family is on the same thinking as you Sue. Best Wishes.

      • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 9:09 PM

        So you are also one of those people that have fun in scaring children and wreck families?

        • sue September 13, 2011, 11:31 PM

          In my honest opinion, kids are more likely to commit suicide knowing that they have to live in a world of austerity and stripping of their civil liberties..

          A grand cosmic event is an uplifting gesture compared to all these snake-charmer corporation CEO’s trying to enslave the world while they retreat to Bohemian Grove every July.

          • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:20 PM

            Tell that to the 9-14 year old kids that are now terrorized because of your claims. Tell that to the parents that spent their kids savings for some domes-day claim.

            Maybe you should read the damaging stories your claims that have on kids. If you have any sanity and humanity left then you will stop these claims immediately.

            Sooner or later you own family will get struck by your claims.

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 8:54 PM

      You know, the comet in the movie Deep Impact was not called ELE. I got that far before I realized your post is only useful for entertainment value. Its a sad day when Deep Impact is more scientifically accurate than a discussion on this site.

    • David Greenberg September 13, 2011, 9:21 PM

      thanks, sue that’s very well thought out and detailed information. great times ahead, for those of us who aren’t asleep (a sheep) :-)

    • Otis September 15, 2011, 4:28 AM

      Stay strong, Sue, and allow the sheeple to blindly believe what they want. Perhaps we can drink a toast to the memory of those who choose to look the other way the day after reality sets in for them. As I said, stay strong and true to your course. :D

      • IVAN3MAN_AT_LARGE September 15, 2011, 5:20 AM

        You’re only saying that because you want to get inside her knickers!

  • JON September 13, 2011, 4:51 AM

    Look up 2007TD, 2005YU55, and Apophis on NASA. They are going to come a lot closer than Elenin.

  • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:41 AM

    Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
    Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

    P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

  • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:41 AM

    Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
    Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

    P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

  • Ionut Dumitrascu September 13, 2011, 8:41 AM

    Holy s..t! This is unbelievable! This is…. the most fun I’ve had in ages :)))) Do you have some more of this stuff? Please, please, post it! :)) I know that maybe I shouldn’t be laughing but… it’s incredible. The amount of wasted effort and intelligence used to research, make connections and actually “believe” all of this stuff is… I’ll repeat myself: “unbelievable”. I don’t think a podcast can turn him/her on the right track. Instead – let’s just enjoy the fun…
    Maybe one could actually make use of this paranoia by making horror stories.Everything is permitted there and people might actually enjoy all these conspiracies.

    P.S. Yes, watch out for 11/11/11.. Elder Scrolls V Skyrim is coming out :D

  • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 10:48 AM

    Great Scott !
    Note to self…
    Activate time-warp before 26th.

  • EK September 13, 2011, 2:20 PM

    I’m getting out my tin foil hat right now.

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 9:11 PM

      Avoid the tinfoil-beanie! Didn’t you get the memo? It actually focuses the thought-control beams-from-space into your brain!

      :D

  • e8hffff call September 13, 2011, 3:14 PM

    Comet Elenin fuss isn’t about it being a comet of destruction, it’s the celestial fulfillment of Virgo based in Revelations. Yes there are some New Agers that thought is was a space craft, etc.

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 7:35 PM

      There are 200 comets also up in the sky? Why are these ignored?

      • David Greenberg September 13, 2011, 10:19 PM

        because they aren’t important. for example, they don’t reach epihelium on 9/11/11. think of it this way: let’s say you’re in a room with 201 people, but only one of them has information that you deem important. who are you going to pay attention to?

        • IVAN3MAN_AT_LARGE September 14, 2011, 1:00 AM

          Stuff information! The blonde with the long legs and big tits will get my attention!

          • Asther Bruk September 14, 2011, 2:42 AM

            She’s right about the movie Deep impact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(film), the name of the planet is ELE “extinction level event” and it is 11 kilometers they say, and the name of the person who discovered it is Leo Biederman, and something else: i’m from Belgium so i don’t know a lot about America, but isn’t your emergency number 9/11? because here we know a song that’ says: someone please call 911 to call the police. And right now she even has 11 likes.

          • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 12:52 PM

            Ah shoot I liked her stuff too but now she has 12 likes,so much for that theory Asther!

          • IVAN3MAN_AT_LARGE September 14, 2011, 4:09 PM

            The woo-woo brigade always turn out en masse to “Like” a comment in support of their dumb-ass ‘theory’!

        • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:22 PM

          Those other comets are not important? These are bigger and meaner comets than Elenin would ever get. And you claim that these are not important?

        • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 8:59 AM

          Coincidences happen. In all reality, 9/11/11 meant absolutely nothing to a vast majority of the universe.

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 7:35 PM

      There are 200 comets also up in the sky? Why are these ignored?

    • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:10 PM

      Reminds of the death cult once called “Heaven’s Gate”, where an ego maniac enticed susceptible young people into believing Comet Hale/Bopp was an interstellar space ship and was here to ‘extract’ believers from the woes of our world. Then this maniac coerced his followers into committing suicide so they could ‘get on board’…

      That event should serve as a potent lesson for those who would listen to pretend or coincidentally induced ‘knowledge’~

      • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:46 PM

        This hoax is far more damaging that this cult right now.
        Youtube is filled by this Elenin domesday and so far when you look at the young kid stories, the parents are not aware that their kids are watching the domesday youtube clips. Or parents are not aware that kids are already in distress because they saw all these Elenin domesday claims.

        • sue September 14, 2011, 11:46 PM

          Then act like a responsible parent and monitor your kids online activities… Don’t blame others for your laziness and neglect

          • Anonymous September 15, 2011, 7:01 PM

            I thought so, you lost any human feelings.

            It is not your fault that your own kid gets scared to death by this crazy neighbour that scared your kid. It is not your fault that other kids in school read your posts and are no terrorizing your kid. It is not your fault that your parent is blowing any money on a bunker and you inherit nothing any-more. It is not your fault that your mother read all these stories and ends up into a mental institute because she cannot handle it any-more.

            One of these days you will be confronted by some family member or own kid that buys into this.

          • Anonymous September 15, 2011, 7:01 PM

            I thought so, you lost any human feelings.

            It is not your fault that your own kid gets scared to death by this crazy neighbour that scared your kid. It is not your fault that other kids in school read your posts and are no terrorizing your kid. It is not your fault that your parent is blowing any money on a bunker and you inherit nothing any-more. It is not your fault that your mother read all these stories and ends up into a mental institute because she cannot handle it any-more.

            One of these days you will be confronted by some family member or own kid that buys into this.

          • Anonymous September 16, 2011, 2:30 AM

            and to sue and others chiming in….

            Olaf, please keep it in perspective. Throw a kid in front of you while a bus is coming at you not stopping and it’s what you are doing here – metaphorically. Encourage truth to young ones as well as opinions, we are all humans that can make up our own minds, agreed? Agreeing with you, one should not live their lives in fear or doubt – so seeking the truth is the objective all here who post seek – including Sue. I appreciate what sue brings to the table because it is new information that I can research on my own if i wanted to – to seek the truth or facts surrounding it. No doubt, the future of our children is education, and it starts with information. Revealing information – even the most trivial, most ridiculous, is our duty to each other. Ignorance is a choice we must make no matter how painful or not-so-painful in order to survive in happiness. Each line Sue posted can be easily copied and pasted into the web to learn more. Perhaps making sure our children know how to do this to learn more is the solution to your concerns. I think so, and I have learned something valuable from you two , – telling a child what to do is 100x better than telling a child what not to do. Say no a hundred times, but all we had to say was yes once. but back to the subject at hand.

            Sue you are bonified crazy in your head! :)) However, you have provided some very interesting information and disinformation (i say disinformation because I do not believe any group or one entity controls the flow of information on the internet and I cannot locate some sources to verify your light). Many coincidences have very rational explanations that I think you would probably die to learn about because they are almost beyond our comprehension – it’s just too bad we miss most of them. I believe you to be a very intellegent and open-minded person to be able to make your determinations and draw the connections that you have talked about in these threads. So you would be to inclined to learn about the coincidences. There are sources out there that are designed to fool and it is up to us to figure out what those are on our own with critical thinking. If we don’t start doing that, Companies, agencies, gov’s etc will gain control of the flow of information out there because it will get out of control. We, the people will demand order, and our governing bodies will be more than happy to oblige. Not to say you are not doing this already, just making a point and thinking out loud. Thank you so much for the info you’ve posted!

          • Anonymous September 16, 2011, 2:32 AM

            and to sue and others chiming in….

            Olaf, please keep it in perspective. Throw a kid in front of you while a bus is coming at you not stopping and it’s what you are doing here – metaphorically. Encourage truth to young ones as well as opinions, we are all humans that can make up our own minds, agreed? Agreeing with you, one should not live their lives in fear or doubt – so seeking the truth is the objective all here who post seek – including Sue. I appreciate what sue brings to the table because it is new information that I can research on my own if i wanted to – to seek the truth or facts surrounding it. No doubt, the future of our children is education, and it starts with information. Revealing information – even the most trivial, most ridiculous, is our duty to each other. Ignorance is a choice we must make no matter how painful or not-so-painful in order to survive in happiness. Each line Sue posted can be easily copied and pasted into the web to learn more. Perhaps making sure our children know how to do this to learn more is the solution to your concerns. I think so, and I have learned something valuable from you two , – telling a child what to do is 100x better than telling a child what not to do. Say no a hundred times, but all we had to say was yes once. but back to the subject at hand.

            Sue you are bonified crazy in your head! :)) However, you have provided some very interesting information and disinformation (i say disinformation because I do not believe any group or one entity controls the flow of information on the internet and I cannot locate some sources to verify your light). Many coincidences have very rational explanations that I think you would probably die to learn about because they are almost beyond our comprehension. I believe you to be a very intellegent and open-minded person to be able to make your determinations and draw the connections that you have talked about in these threads. There are sources out there that are designed to fool and it is up to us to figure out what those are on our own with critical thinking. If we don’t start doing that, Companies, agencies, gov’s etc will gain control of the flow of information out there because it will get out of control. We, the people will demand order, and our governing bodies will be more than happy to oblige.

          • Anonymous September 19, 2011, 8:03 PM

            It is one thing to expose information that is interesting, it is a complete different thing to be part of a mob of hundreds of people all trying to warn you that a comet Elenin is going to destroy you.

            And I repeat if you think this has no consequences, then read the stories at http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/c-94179/stories

            This is one excerpt:
            == Even if nothing happens with the comet I still have 2012 to worry about. I feel hopeless and helpless like I’m on a plane that is slowly crashing. I rarely leave the house, I cry a lot, I go between not eating and over eating. My stomach is upset often and I take lots of pepto bismo. I can’t sleep, I have nightmares when I do. Nothing is really fun for me anymore. I never wear make up like I used to or fix my hair, usually I don’t even brush my hair.== She is 23

            Other one
            == After i had heard about 2012 things started to just go downhill…..i suddenly started spikeing in asthma related issues my doctor says from severe stress and i wake up at night suffering from panic attacks..well did and i was just thinking about death and what it would be like to die in 2 years == She is 13

            Still another one
            == It brings me great depression whenever I see her with my little sister…so one day my little sister asks me if 2012 is really going to happen, her face was really really lifeless…I asked her who told you about this. It was none other than my cousin.==

            Another one
            === Then one afternoon, his mother visited us and said that the night before he broke down crying about wanting to buy a ticket to “escape.” He never explained what to “escape” but I was sure I knew what he meant.=== This is a 8 year old kid!

            We even know one kid that did suicide and his diary contained everything about NWO, and illuminatie.

            Still more of the can be found at the link I provided.

            So do you still think this conspiracy thing is just harmless fun? Do you still think this is overreacting? Do you still think that Comments like Sue is just harmless?
            Do you actually think that a good mum will on purpose do things that is harming kids, even if their are other kids? Like telling kids they are going to die? It is the equivalent of telling a 8 year old kid that he has cancer and will die soon just for fun.

          • Anonymous September 17, 2011, 10:32 AM

            We have to see things in its proper perspective. In this world, there is danger at every step. Every minute can be the last one. To cover the faces of death because some can’t deal with them, is not the solution. People should become aware that material life is temporary and that life isn’t finished at the time of death. A person who knows that, does not become disturbed after receiving life threatening messsages.

        • sue September 14, 2011, 11:46 PM

          Then act like a responsible parent and monitor your kids online activities… Don’t blame others for your laziness and neglect

  • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 4:17 PM

    The last 3 times the comet aligned with the other planets. ie earth. There was the Japan, Chile, and New Zealand earthquakes..

    • William Hudson September 13, 2011, 6:26 PM

      PapaJoe1981;

      … well sort of. Some of the ‘alignments’ are kind of ‘loose’, as in off by a few days. The Honshu earthquake hit on March 11, and the conjunction with Elenin occurred on March 14, for example. But beyond that, there were more than 30 *other* earthquakes above 7.0 from January 2010 till early September 2011. What caused those?

      (hint: Tectonic activity, not comets).

      You might want to look over our pages on Elenin and a typical ‘doomer’, ‘Alexander Retrov':

      http://2012hoax.org/elenin
      http://2012hoax.org/retrov

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 7:32 PM

      Tell me about all the Earth quakes that happened when it did not align.

    • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 7:32 PM

      Tell me about all the Earth quakes that happened when it did not align.

    • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 5:50 AM

      You do realize that the Comet’s gravitational forces are pretty much nil right?

      Jupiter’s gravitational forces are insignificant to the Earth’s due to its distance. Many other, larger masses have gone by the Earth or aligned with the earth much closer than the commet with no problems at all.

      I’ve been in two accidents that have totaled my car (none were directly my fault). Both of these times I had filled up with gas that day, and had my oil changed within a week prior. Does this mean that filling up with oil and gasing my car up causes me to total my car?

  • P S September 13, 2011, 6:52 PM

    Excellent and thankyou. I’ve been looking for some more (shall we say) balanced information on comet C/2010 X1 and all I kept bumping into was a load of scare-mongering stuff with information I found hard to verify. One of the more positive things that crossed my mind however was that more people have been exposed to the wonders of our solar system (including me) and that cant be a bad thing.

    Smudge

  • Anonymous September 13, 2011, 11:08 PM

    This stuff is rich. I get the sense that this stuff keeps on going because people really want to believe the world has some purpose, whether benevolent or malevolent, for our life on Earth. I think some people find it impossible to accept the universe as it is; a universe which in the end has pitiless indifference towards us.

    A radio program here, which is broadcast nation wide, involves Native American issues. The following broadcast was made today:

    Tuesday, September 13, 2011– Are the Holy Ones Really Aliens?: (listen)
    As Natives, when we speak of our holy ones, we often refer to them as the connectors to the spirit world. In some Native cultures these beings are referred to as the sky people or star people. And when it comes to prayer, it is believed when we pray we are communicating with a higher life source. So keeping in mind our traditional beliefs, what if who we are praying to were really beings from another planet like extraterrestrials or aliens? Could this be possible? Guests include ancient astronaut expert Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, consulting producer of the History Channel’s “Ancient Aliens” series.

    http://www.nativeamericacalling.com/ram/2011/Sept/091311.m3u

    OK?! Ancient astronauts are back! I remember when I was in grade school von Daniken was thumping this stuff. There is at the end somebody with some sense who lowers the boom on this balderdash. The guest Tsoukalos talks a lot and rarely shuts up, a bit like Hoagland. It seems this sort of crap keeps coming back.

    LC

  • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 2:33 PM

    I aren’t saying that there aren’t things that “Appear” to be obvious in signs as Sue says. I love to look deeply into things of interest like, Comets, Hedron collider, Lowering of salt levels in sea water HAARP Ect… However, I am no “sheep”. I am infact free thinking and wide awake. But, I am by no means going to listen and be force fed information by ppl sat at home with not much to do, other than get paranoid about what’s going to happen tomorrow, next year or in ten years time. What will be will be.
    I agree with Aqua4U the mind is a wonderful thing, “Perceptual set” is a perfect example. You see a new car model you’d like…. The more you want this car, the more of the exact same make, model and colour you see around your home town. It’s a shame there are so many ppl looking up so many (probable) far fetched theorys that they could be missing a point of wasting time on subject matters of only entertainment value. Excersize your brain “Non Sheep”. But please understand it is the BIGGEST thing to play trick on your very own self.

    From Wide awake, educated NON Sheep. Stay safe wear ya seat belt! xx

  • Anonymous September 14, 2011, 4:23 PM

    You mean like this: NASA David Morrison On Comet Elenin RT – Debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPuj4DNVzpo
    or
    perhaps this: David Morrison NASA Space Scientist – Debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDR4oHj6n6A

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  • will September 17, 2011, 2:33 AM

    You know dam well you cant trust the US government, we are like ants to them. So who are you going to support, this government or Sue? If something were to happen do you think the government will let us know beforehand until the very last minute? You really cant blame Sue for being concerned about this comet because we dont know what the government is up to. So I thank Sue for her conscious and I will be aware of the date and if nothing happens, then NOTHING HAPPENS but what if something did happened. Better safe than sorry, doesnt hurt be aware. P.S. – I HATE THE MEDIA

    • Anonymous September 17, 2011, 9:37 AM

      No, I wouldn’t trust the US government but this isn’t Sue vs the government this is Sue vs the observed laws of the universe. Every poster here has the resources to get the observational data and do the calculations first published in 1687 that will predict Elenin’s path through space. If you don’t trust NASA’s US Govt. data, there are other astronomical institutions. Amongst the thousands of wasted person-hours here I don’t see any posts with calculations showing a collision course with Earth, any other argument is completely without substance. What does interest me about your post is what you will do to be better safe than sorry. At what point in time, given the proper prior warning from the government will you give up your job/benefits, home and internet connection and attempt survival on a high mountain probably without sunlight to grow crops, or would you consider purchasing a patent comet and asteroid shelter suitable for use at home, lifetime guarantee, only 10,000 bucks?

      • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 9:03 AM

        Thank you for some rationality Steve.

        Yes the government is not perfect, but that doesn’t mean everyone with some off the wall idea means anything at all. Especially when half of the hypothesis (loosely calling it that too) is from a movie, and a pretty bad movie at that.

  • Anonymous September 19, 2011, 11:45 AM

    Forget about comet Elenin and what it might and might not cause and look at the reality of things. There are so many variables to think about, just to name a few:

    It took thousands of years, if not more to reach 2.5 billion humans on earth and in less than 150 years, this has more than doubled.
    The magnetic field around the earth is diminishing and this is no hoax.
    Solar activity has been constantly on the rise.
    Because of these two major earthquakes (Chile and Japan) the earth’s axis has moved over 5inches and has reduced the day to less than 24 hours. Even though they are milliseconds, it is still considerable.
    Earthquakes are on the rise.
    Volcano activities are on the rise.
    The natural cycle of Yellowstone which is around 600000 years has reached it’s time to be active ( you can get this info from discovery).
    Three quarters of the world fishing grounds are already depleted.
    Huge extinction of many species of animals around the world.
    Storms are becoming more violent.
    A huge chunk of Greenland’s glacier has broken off (3 times the size of Manhattan).
    The Virginia earthquake was felt all the way till Toronto.
    The world economy is on a downfall spiral.
    Gold prices have never reached such levels.
    Wars and riots are increasing around the world.
    World hunger.
    Natural resources are on the decline.
    Before all these Elenin theories, pharmaceutical companies are injecting so many medicines that have major side effects, not only to you but to your newborns.
    Increase numbers of Antidepressant.
    Pesticides are a major cause for many side effects…
    And please, these conspiracy theories are not what is affecting suicides in children, it is the changing society that is ruled by mass media, so please give me a break!!!!

    An interesting movie to watch for people that need to wake up is Zeitgeist… please view it and stop wasting your time…

    G

  • Anonymous September 19, 2011, 11:54 AM

    Furthermore, it is very important to be aware and not through mass media!!! Please understand that what you hear on the news and on general tv is filtered information. If you pay attention and stop being couch potatoes just minding your own bull****, you would realize this.

    Another interesting thing to view on youtube, and seriously this is no joke, is “the disclosure project”.

    • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 9:01 AM

      You do realize it is impossible to filter absolutely everything on every single news broadcast system in the world right.

      A lot of people really want to believe in conspiracies, but you know what, a vast majority of conspiracies have tons of holes in them, including a lot of the whole “mass media is telling us only what the man wants us to know”.

      • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 10:56 AM

        I didn’t get exactly what you’re saying but whatever I wrote below are scientific facts. And there are more that I haven’t mentioned.

        Oh by the way, did you hear about the satellite that is expected to hit earth this weekend. This is what NASA said.

        G

        • Anonymous September 21, 2011, 8:20 PM

          Earthquake activity is on the rise related to when?

          And just because a lot of things are happening, doesn’t mean anything. WWI and WWII tons of bad things were happening.

          The black plague had lots of bad things happening.

          Its what happens.

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