C/2010 X1 Elenin, on Aug 29, 2011. Credit: Michael Mattiazzo. Used by permission

Comet Elenin Could Be Disintegrating

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Astronomers monitoring Comet Elenin have noticed the comet has decreased in brightness the past week, and the coma is now elongating and diffusing. Some astronomers predict the comet will disintegrate and not survive perihelion, its closest approach to the Sun.

On August 19, a massive solar flare and coronal mass ejection hit the comet, which may have been the beginning of the end for the much ballyhooed lump of ice and dirt.

Comet Elenin as seenby the STEREO HI1-B on Aug. 6, 2011, from about 7 million kilometers from the spacecraft. Credit: NASA/STEREO

“We’ve been following it in the STEREO spacecraft images and a number of amateurs have been following it in their telescopes,” said Australian amateur astronomer Ian Musgrave, author of the Astroblog website. “Shortly after the coronal mass ejection the comet flared up and you could see some beautiful details in the tail, with the tail was twisting about in the solar wind. But shortly after that Earth- bound amateurs reported a huge decrease in the intensity of the comet. We think it may presage a falling apart of the comet.”

One journalist joked that maybe Comet Elenin just couldn’t take all the doomsday talk and publicity.

“It really has been a beautiful little comet and it deserves a better fate than to be overhyped by doom-sayers,” said Musgrave.

Elenin is a long period comet originating from the outer edges of our solar system, and Musgrave noted that comets coming from the Oort cloud which are making their first pass through the solar system tend to be under-performers in terms of brightness. “They don’t brighten as quickly as comets that come around more than once,” he said, “and in looking at the relationship between the brightness and the distance from the Sun, we find empirically that comets that brighten on roughly the same speed as Elenin tend to be likely to fall apart at perihelion.”

However, Musgrave added, each comet is unique. “Some comets will survive and some won’t. The fact that this comet decreased in brightness after the CME, possibly indicates that the comet will not survive. Another possibility is that merely the CME wiped away the coma — the bright cloud of particles around the comet — and the volatiles of the comet might take awhile to come back and recreate the coma, if it does survive.”

Elenin’s mass is smaller than average and its trajectory will take it no closer than 34 million km (21 million miles) of Earth as it circles the Sun. It will make its closest approach to Earth on October 16th, but be closest to the Sun on Sept. 10.

Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 displaying the nucleus of Comet Elenin in the process of disintegrating. Credit: Michael Mattiazzo. Used by permission

Another Australian amateur Michael Mattiazzo has been taking images of the comet (see his website, Southern Comets) and he has noticed that the nucleus appears to be elongating. When that occurs, usually the comet disintegrates or splits apart. Above is an animation Mattiazzo created from images he took of Comet Elenin on August 19, 22, 23, 27 & 29.

You can see a wide-field view of the comet by astrophotographer Rob Kaufmanns, comparing the view from August 19, 23 and 26 at this link.

A similar process took place just a few weeks ago with another comet, 213P Van Ness.

Do comets break apart often?

“You don’t see it it that often, but it happens surprisingly more than people think,” Musgrave said. “Van Ness just happened, but ever couple of years there is a comet that visibly breaks up into fragments, maybe about 6 comets in the last 10 years — excluding the Kreutz-sun-grazer family of comets which split and vaporize on a regular basis.”

A closeup photo of the breakup of Comet S4 LINEAR taken on August 6, 2000 by the European Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile. Credit: ESO

Unfortunately, the likely demise of Comet Elenin hasn’t put a lid on the doomsdayers who have predicted earthquakes or three days of darkness or a collision with Earth.

“The doomsdayers are just saying that more bad things will happen!” laughed Musgrave. “But you have to remember that when a comet breaks up, the fragments stay in the same orbit. If it evaporates, you’ll have a mass of rubble and gas on the same orbit. People don’t seem to get that space is big, really big, and when a comet breaks up it follows Newtons Laws and the fragments will slowly draw apart, but over the timescale that we see them, the difference will be so miniscule.”

Sources: Conversation with Ian Musgrave, Astroblog, AstroBob, Southern Comets, STEREO


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Olaf
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Olaf
August 29, 2011 4:46 PM

If it breaks apart then it also evaporates much faster.

demarco jones
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demarco jones
August 29, 2011 7:01 PM

who cares why is there even an article on this. i dont remember reading anything about this comet on any news site or this before it was disintergrating. Why all this coverage now that it is? Just to prove the doomsayers wrong? This comet was nothing relevant never on CNN or NASAs site. All im saying is this comet wasnt even news before all these recent post came about how it may be breaking up. You guys are trying to hard.

Ian Musgrave
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Ian Musgrave
August 29, 2011 9:18 PM

It’s relevant to astronomers. There’s nothing on any news site about comet C/2009 P1 Garrad, yet it was near to the cluster M71 a few days ago and astronomers world-wide were taking pictures like crazy. Comet break-up is intrinsically interesting as they tell us something about the structure and composition of comets, and comet Elenin is a very nice little comet.

Shadandasaurus
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Shadandasaurus
August 30, 2011 6:08 AM

You are right. C/2009 P1 Garrad doesn’t even show up on JPL small-body database. Yet i KNOW i saw that name somewhere.. There is concern for that comet no?

Kevin Heider
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August 30, 2011 11:51 AM

There is no reason to be concerned about C/2009 P1 (Garradd). Perihelion (q; closest approach to the Sun) is 1.5 AU. You can find Comet Garradd on the JPL Small-Body Database Browser.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2009P1

— Kevin Heider

Ian Musgrave
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Ian Musgrave
August 30, 2011 12:01 PM

GAH! Must learn to read, Kevin already posed the link

Anonymous
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Anonymous
August 31, 2011 12:26 AM

Well reading shouldn’t be to hard for you. Since you know how to sspell. Or was that just a common phrase used when you overlook Something already posted that addresses the question posed. The truth is in there somewhere. Of course truth. What is truth? that poses
a whole different discussion. Have a great day or night or 24hrs. whatever??

Ian Musgrave
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Ian Musgrave
August 30, 2011 12:00 PM

Yes it does, see here
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2009%20P1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

Garrad is currently rather beautiful, but will be of no harm what so ever.

Ian Musgrave
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Ian Musgrave
August 30, 2011 12:00 PM

Yes it does, see here
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2009%20P1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

Garrad is currently rather beautiful, but will be of no harm what so ever.

Ian Musgrave
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Ian Musgrave
August 29, 2011 9:18 PM

It’s relevant to astronomers. There’s nothing on any news site about comet C/2009 P1 Garrad, yet it was near to the cluster M71 a few days ago and astronomers world-wide were taking pictures like crazy. Comet break-up is intrinsically interesting as they tell us something about the structure and composition of comets, and comet Elenin is a very nice little comet.

Kevin Heider
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August 29, 2011 10:14 PM

I have been an admin on the “Comet Elenin – Official Facebook Page” since mid March. I can attest to the needless and excessive fear mongering and made up stories about comet Elenin.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/comet2011/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision

— Kevin Heider

Mihai Enachescu
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Mihai Enachescu
September 5, 2011 8:04 PM

Hey your discoveries are only tiny particles of dust which sits on on furniture.Get a life dude.Kicking out people from facebook is not a job.Parasite!

Kevin Heider
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September 6, 2011 9:57 PM

Please watch your name calling. Thank you.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
August 30, 2011 5:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh11UG1bqKQ&feature=feedf your in trouble if you dont open your eyes

John Fleming
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John Fleming
August 31, 2011 1:08 AM

… Reason to those in the know was Comet’s make up (HCN) Hydrogen Cyanide; same as with Halley’s Comet. Had the Comet remained intact, passage of Earth through its tail could have been a great concern. When a comet flares to the size of Jupiter, it has significant mass and electric energy. As for the kooks, well most have no scientific clue.

John Fleming
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John Fleming
August 31, 2011 1:08 AM

… Reason to those in the know was Comet’s make up (HCN) Hydrogen Cyanide; same as with Halley’s Comet. Had the Comet remained intact, passage of Earth through its tail could have been a great concern. When a comet flares to the size of Jupiter, it has significant mass and electric energy. As for the kooks, well most have no scientific clue.

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
August 31, 2011 4:03 AM
John, are you stating that comet flares create mass and that, additionally, the passage of the comet through space creates enough electric energy to be of any great concern in the eventual disposition for that body? The increased outgassing, any solar spalling events, the effects of any electric fields the tenuous gases may be experiencing are of the moot variety. These increases in albedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo) for the coma — the bright cloud of particles around the comet — composed of the outgassing volatiles and the many small spalling events have little impact on the final events which are guided by that weakest of all the forces, gravity. Is this statement “When a comet flares to the size of… Read more »
John Fleming
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John Fleming
September 1, 2011 12:24 AM

I am not stating flares are creating mass, you’re inferring that because you don’t understand how a basic fire even continues to burn. It already had enough mass to flare. Like a fire, it merely needed external source heat to ignite (flare). It already possessed its own accelerant (HCN). Wow, are people seriously so stupid they infer such drizzle into others’ comments?

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 1, 2011 2:18 AM
John, your words again have me stymied. I do not think the passage of Earth through that portion of space which was occupied months, weeks or even days before by some tenuous portion of the comet’s tail qualifies as the Earth passing through the tail of any comet. We have been engulfed by the active tail of a comet within the last several hundred years by a significant number of comets. We have not had harm occur on those occasions, what’s to worry from any passage of the type you state. This is not to say that your words are wrong, I am sure you are correct in thinking the specific tail of Comet Elenin and the Earth… Read more »
John Fleming
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John Fleming
September 1, 2011 3:44 AM

If you can answer the following question, then you understand… Is the sun on fire?

U
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U
September 1, 2011 12:24 PM

Arguing with commenters, fail.

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 1, 2011 3:05 PM

Actually John, the sun is not on fire nor is it some source of sparks for the ignition of a conflagration pertaining to a comet, which is also not on fire.

I suggest you return to whatever source of knowledge from which you have gleaned this false data and inspect it with much more rigor before you base your thoughts and derivations on such a shaky foundation.

Mary -too many minds with so many fails-

Anonymous
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Anonymous
September 1, 2011 3:25 PM

John, the sun is not on fire. See here for a basic rundown on how our star works:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sun2.htm

When comets flare up, this is almost always a result of a change in the volume of out-gassing. Remember that comets are mostly composed of ices, water, and rock. They are not on fire in any way. See here:

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i29/8429notw1.html

John Fleming
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John Fleming
September 1, 2011 12:32 AM
I never said the flare created mass, you inferred it into my comet because you don’t even understand how a fire continues to burn. So, I’ll explain it to you. Elenin had enough mass and its own fuel source to flare (HCN) when it experienced enough of a heat source from our sun. Other elements within the comet also acted as accelerants and also verified it had enough mass to flare. Think about what flaring means. You strike a match, it flares up/lights up as we say. You are striking (causing heat from friction) to ignite the materials of the match (sulfur) and oxygen is the accelerant. This is basic fires 101. Wow, I cannot believe you inferred… Read more »
WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 1, 2011 1:56 AM
John Fleming, this kook is requesting clarification of the words you have chosen to use and the meanings of the terms and place of the physical science you infer. These new words you are using are telling us the comet is on fire, a self sustaining fire in fact, and that the sun is only an initial source of ignition. Do I have that correct, is that what you are stating? I would not want to get this fact wrong or to misstate what you actually mean. Please inform me as to the nature of this fire in the sky, this comet Elenin, to be precise. You did state the size of the flare was a significant indicator… Read more »
WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 1, 2011 2:26 AM
John, I have re-read all of your words and can frankly state to you now that you are incorrect n several statements. You would have us think that the HCN is both a burning fuel and an active source of toxic material, i.e., un-burned HCN. I am quite sure on the face of it that you can not have these two thoughts correctly stated. Which is it, is the HCN consumed as a fuel source and no longer a toxin or is it a toxin only. You can not have it both ways. A fire which has several sources of fuel and in this case, the lack of raw oxygen being what it is in the cubic the… Read more »
Marion
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Marion
August 31, 2011 6:45 AM

Oh Dear’ you must be missing at lot. this comet is predicted in The Mayan works. The end of Earth. Bible also speaks of something like it. And then every group on yahoo,talks about it. your missing the bus ! Faith Marion

Shall Blossom Rec
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August 31, 2011 8:44 AM

Marion: Elenin might be way too small to be the ‘Wormwood’ of the Bible… just wait a little longer, every prophecy in the Bible ends up coming to pass, so just wait for it: it might just take a little longer (4 to 7 years from now since the antichrist has to appear around that time) and also, it’s going to be a lot more dramatic than this comet which seem quite small after all… Kp.

Ernie Blackwood
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September 1, 2011 6:48 PM

Read more, Demarco. Also, it would behoove you to pay attention to more reliable sources than CNN or to crippled NASA. Finally, brush up on your English and writing skills so you don’t reveal yourself to be such an imbecile!

jim bob
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jim bob
September 6, 2011 8:02 PM

“CNN or NASAs site” ARE U SIRIUS, HOW OLD ARE U

Anonymous
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Anonymous
August 29, 2011 8:53 PM

Maybe these so called journalists were drinking the doomsayers koolaid. And now are making
all this noise. In any event I hope they didn’t sell the farm,condo or house over this. I heard some have already headed for the caves in the Ozarks. How’s that workin for ya. snicker, snicker.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
August 30, 2011 12:42 AM

If there is, indeed, a breakup of this comet, the fragments, having different mass and velocity, will stray slightly from the previously calculated orbit of Elenin. Will some be on course to strike the Earth ? No one can predict that at this point…and no one can rule it out…..

Lisa Butler
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Lisa Butler
August 30, 2011 4:52 AM
Richard C. Hoagland BULLETIN: I will be on “Coast” tonight — LAST two hours — to discuss several MAJOR new developments: Our recent, stunning discovery that Elenin is “a TETRAHEDRAL spaceship” … currently sailing ever closer to the sun (see new image — below); NASA’s sudden decision to (temporarily?) “abandon” the International Space Station — beginning in late November — due to “unknown problems” with the Russian Soyuz FB rocket system, ESSENTIAL to sending astronauts and cosmonauts to the Space Station in the wake of the US Space Shuttle program closing down; and, the recent string of bizarre “natural disasters” that have happened from the East to the West Coasts, disasters which have the eerie “signature” of actually… Read more »
Lisa Butler
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Lisa Butler
August 30, 2011 4:52 AM
Richard C. Hoagland BULLETIN: I will be on “Coast” tonight — LAST two hours — to discuss several MAJOR new developments: Our recent, stunning discovery that Elenin is “a TETRAHEDRAL spaceship” … currently sailing ever closer to the sun (see new image — below); NASA’s sudden decision to (temporarily?) “abandon” the International Space Station — beginning in late November — due to “unknown problems” with the Russian Soyuz FB rocket system, ESSENTIAL to sending astronauts and cosmonauts to the Space Station in the wake of the US Space Shuttle program closing down; and, the recent string of bizarre “natural disasters” that have happened from the East to the West Coasts, disasters which have the eerie “signature” of actually… Read more »
Lisa Butler
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Lisa Butler
August 30, 2011 4:55 AM

Nassim Haramein has been talking about tetrahedral physics for a while now…saw this video a few weeks ago:

George Kavassilas says not to buy into it…gigantic fraud…false messiah:

Lisa Butler
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Lisa Butler
August 30, 2011 4:55 AM

Nassim Haramein has been talking about tetrahedral physics for a while now…saw this video a few weeks ago:

George Kavassilas says not to buy into it…gigantic fraud…false messiah:

perma.stoned perma.stoned
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perma.stoned perma.stoned
August 30, 2011 5:50 AM

news site LOL
paid for by your tax dollars
all LIES, no wonder its not on the news

perma.stoned perma.stoned
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perma.stoned perma.stoned
August 30, 2011 5:50 AM

news site LOL
paid for by your tax dollars
all LIES, no wonder its not on the news

kuergun
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kuergun
August 30, 2011 9:54 AM

it is said in five or six different religions or prophesied the the sky would be red with sparks and one spark will divide the waters and it will be the end of man as we know it .. NASA know now that Elenin has broken up it bits and pieces are no longer predicable
the path will remain the same but for one difference Earth will be the closest gravity and may well pull all these bits toward US!!

kuergun
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kuergun
August 30, 2011 9:54 AM

it is said in five or six different religions or prophesied the the sky would be red with sparks and one spark will divide the waters and it will be the end of man as we know it .. NASA know now that Elenin has broken up it bits and pieces are no longer predicable
the path will remain the same but for one difference Earth will be the closest gravity and may well pull all these bits toward US!!

Stone Clark
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Stone Clark
August 30, 2011 7:21 PM

Hpw many comets that have entered our Solar System have been blasted by a CME? I am aware of Encke and Elenin… any others?

John Fleming
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John Fleming
September 1, 2011 12:59 AM

Linear, Hale Bop, Holmes that I can think of.

Gra Sim
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August 31, 2011 6:35 AM

If it breaks up won’t that make going through it’s tail more dangerous ?

Kevin Heider
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August 31, 2011 1:59 PM

After disintegrating, there will be no tail to pass through.

Did you know that if you condensed the entire 100 thousand mile long tail of a comet such as Hale-Bopp to the density of water, it would not even fill a swimming pool?
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/explore/notsofaq.html#COMET_TAIL

Any chance of a meteor shower or storm from debris shed by Elenin at perihelion (Tony Dunn 28-April-2011)
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/115000-comet-elenin-collision-probability?p=1882252#post1882252

Gra Sim
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September 2, 2011 12:14 PM

Surely that’s presumption at this stage, it would depend on if there was a sizable chunk left to form another coma would not it ?

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 2, 2011 12:36 PM
@Gra Sim, The flareup was evidence of massive outgassing and fragmentation of the comet. As to which came first, the fluid pockets outgassing and the remainder of the comet breaking apart at those seams, or the break up and the exposed icy parts adding to the then current outgassing and increasing it we do not conclusively know. The simple fact remains though that the level of outgassing which we have seen does not bode well for the comet’s ability to continue to support the coma or even add to it as had been the case to that point. The current estimates of remaining icy fluids indicates this will be the only trip for Comet Elenin. Whatever remnant remains… Read more »
Gra Sim
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September 3, 2011 1:10 AM

Cheers

Gra Sim
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September 5, 2011 1:57 PM

Hi again Mary,
Is it true that Elenin is still in one piece ?
Cheers

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 5, 2011 2:53 PM
@ Gra Sim, The amateur video and the stills from that video still remain the best sources for the speculations re: the breakup of Comet Elenin. Time will indicate the correct answer for this question, why hurry the answer along Gra Sim? As to the truth of any matter of speculation, you may be aware of a truth called bounds of error or error bounds mayhaps — any differences within the actual truth vs our speculation will narrow as time proceeds. Is there some reason you have posted a new question to this older article? Our concept of an appreciable length of time can vary as does the subject matter to which we relate that time frame. Eons… Read more »
Gra Sim
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September 6, 2011 4:22 AM
Why hurry ? what an odd thing to say. I asked a simple question after reading an article from a US Naval study I had been lucky enough to read & I wanted what I thought would be an unbiased professional take on but obviously I was in error. Why bother being on here with that attitude ? it may pay to remember that you may or may not know a lot about astronomy in “terrestrial terms” but in the grand scheme of things WE ALL know a mere miniscule percentage of what there is to know but still some are intent on trying to appear omniscient. By the way I have never given much credence to the… Read more »
WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 6, 2011 12:02 PM

@Gra Sim,

As I have stressed, repeatedly, there is nothing to fear from Comet Elenin. However, each time someone or myself makes this claim, shows the reasoned thought which backs the claim, someone like you attempts to troll the comment sections.

The many remarks you have made all seem to point to one pressing bit of business you might have, some hidden agenda, such as your gleeful comments with some hint of dread. Begone troll, for I have known you for a troll with your first question, the way it was worded and the subject matter. Pin the tail on the troll is no fit game.

Mary -ever the educator, even of uneducatible trolls-

Gra Sim
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September 7, 2011 2:02 AM
So you’re blind as well as conceited. I never stated I feared Elenin OR even suggested anyone should be so please stick to something that even resembles the truth. It’s about time you matured & realised you have a real problem with criticism, not everyone who criticises has a hidden agenda, though I await with baited breath to hear your theory of what my alternate motives truly are. It is very interesting to note your reaction considering I initially simply asked a question, not even posed to you, you were indeed the one who interjected. Nevertheless your reactiion is a typical response from someone either very insecure in their position OR someone incapable of rational debate who has… Read more »
WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 7, 2011 4:39 AM

The reply will be in the large section, well below this narrow area.

Mary

Anonymous
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Anonymous
August 31, 2011 7:33 AM

What made this sort of interesting was the slight possibility of viewing with naked-eye.

Renee
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Renee
August 31, 2011 8:03 AM

Needed a boost from the sun, now headed this way…

Robert
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Robert
September 2, 2011 5:48 AM

Has it been determined yet that none of the solid masses of the comet have enough momentum to survive the trip around the sun?

WaxyMary
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WaxyMary
September 2, 2011 12:25 PM

@Robert,

The mass remaining will continue on the trajectory. No momentum has been lost or if you wish, the positional energy for the combined mass is unchanged with any slight lose of energy buried in the statistical noise of our observations.

As to the question of the fragmented mass surviving the rest of its time within the inner solar system, that is still up for grabs although no one is coming out on the side of complete outgassing and spalling to where the comet no longer exists as an observable object.

Mary

Robert
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Robert
September 2, 2011 5:48 AM

Has it been determined yet that none of the solid masses of the comet have enough momentum to survive the trip around the sun?

mark
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mark
September 3, 2011 12:57 AM

We will see a uptick in meteorite hits but nothing niburial sorry to say. If such a thing was to happen ( such as a extinction event ) I wouldn’t want to know ahead of time if the outcome was inescapable death or solitary confinement in a cave for years. All the doomsayers are what I call victims of fatalist neurosis syndrome a need to frighten and be frightened, they find purpose we find humor.

mark
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mark
September 3, 2011 1:15 AM
Our lives durations are fleeting, if a comet or asteroid causes an extinction event in my life time I would consider myself privileged to witness such a monumental historic event, we all must endure birth and therefore are born of course and we all must endure our own expiration or death, it is the true meaning of life. If you have only fear in the inescapable event of ones demise and have lacked or avoided the development of spiritual awareness or skill there in, you will unfortunately be unprepared to make the final journey and might as well be re-born as a criminal banker parasite controlling countless presidents and senators over time making millions miserable as we will… Read more »
Qui l'est Jean Galt
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Qui l'est Jean Galt
September 3, 2011 5:58 PM

your are a funny guy, Mark, but insightful.

Val Brooker
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September 4, 2011 2:37 PM

How can someone be so grown up and evolved about ones inevitable demise, and completely purile about religious belief. Nobdoy knows anything for a fact what happens to ones conscious awareness after your body has died.

If you don’t see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears, don’t invent it with your small mind and share it with you big mouth.

Mike
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Mike
September 5, 2011 3:09 PM

You are the simpleton with a small mind and a big mouth. Marks ability to perceive what cannot be seen or touched is actually a strength. Not a product of a “small mind”. Artists and scientists alike share this gift. Only dumb animals need to stick their hand in a flame to realize it will burn you.

Scowling Wolf
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September 6, 2011 1:08 AM

lol

Antony Freeman
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September 11, 2011 1:13 AM

“If you don’t see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears” I find that statement of a man with a closed minded personality. You don’t need to see, hear, smell, touch something to know its there. Your mind can see more then you will ever know.

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
September 11, 2011 2:45 AM

You might take that up with David Hume. Science is an empirical subject.

LC

Lawrence B. Crowell
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Lawrence B. Crowell
September 11, 2011 2:45 AM

You might take that up with David Hume. Science is an empirical subject.

LC

Mikel Nix
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September 11, 2011 6:38 AM
It was pretty much nonsense. JFK was Narcissitic Sexual Predator who was addicted to hydrocortisone & meth (he ALWAYS traveled w/ a Hollywood dr who mainlined him constantly) which led to a severe drug induced psychosis, and when he wasn’t ordering Secret Service agents to smuggle female East German spies into the Whitehouse, he was focused on nuking Nikita Krushchev. In his drug induced psychosis, he actually believed that a limited nuclear exchange could both, take out the USSR, and assure his superiority to Nikita Krushchev, who intellectually punished him in their 1st summit. Krushchev played him like a cheap violin which infuriated Kennedy, and it was then, that he became tunnel visioned towards launching a nuclear attack.… Read more »
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