Large Hadron Collider Could Create Wormholes: a Gateway for Time Travelers?
Written by Ian O'Neill
As we get closer to the grand opening of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva, Switzerland, it seems the predictions as to what we might get from the high energy particle accelerator are becoming more complex and outlandish. Not only could the LHC generate enough energy to create particles that exist in other dimensions, it may also produce "unparticles", a possible source for dark matter. Now, the energy may be so focused that even the fabric of space-time may be pulled apart to create a wormhole, not to a different place, but a different time. Also, if there are any time travellers out there, we are most likely to see them in a few weeks…
If you could travel back in time, where would you go? Actually it's a trick question: you couldn't travel back in time unless there was a time "machine" already built in the past. The universe's very first time traveller would therefore only be able to travel back to when the machine he/she was using was built. This is one restriction that puts pay to those romantic ideas that we could travel back in time to see the dinosaurs; there were no time machines back then (that we know of), so nothing to travel back to. And until we create a time machine, we won't be seeing any travelers any time soon.
However, Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe the energies generated by the subatomic collisions in the LHC may be powerful enough to rip space-time itself, spawning wormholes. A wormhole not only has the ability to take a shortcut between two positions in space, it can also take a shortcut between two positions in time. So, the LHC could be the first ever "time machine", providing future time travelers with a documented time and place where a wormhole "opened up" into our time-line. This year could therefore be "Year Zero", the base year by which time travel is limited to.
Relativity doesn't dispute this idea, but the likelihood of a person passing through time is slim-to-impossible when the dimensions of a possible wormhole will be at the sub-atomic level at best and it would only be open for a brief moment. Testing for the presence of a man-made wormhole would be difficult even if we knew what we were looking for (perhaps a small loss in energy during collision, as energy escapes through the wormhole?).
As if that didn't discourage you from hoping to use wormholes for time travel, Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester says: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already." As far as we know, they're not.
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
Filed under: Physics
February 7th, 2008 at 5:23 am
through reading this it seams that you have come to the conclusion that time travel is possible. i once read a few yrs ago that a woman/man had a close encounter of the third kind and was told by the alien beings that they were actually alot closer than we thought. could it be that those beings (if true) could be human beings from the future born and raised on another planet and have evolved into what they/we will be in the future and they are coming back to us to make sure we are on track or give us advice about interplanetary travel, so we remain to exist on other planets!? it is a theory, and we have learned that in space, nothing is impossible!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Just like children playing with TNT .
Now a lighter has been found on the play ground . Just a matter of time , the fuse will be lit . We all might wish we could go back in time to put a stop to this union. At least till we know more about what we are playing with.
1. FACT. No One Really knows what dark matter or energy is , let alone what it does .
2. FACT. No One Really Knows what a worm hole is , or where it leads .
This Rip Could be like opening a door we may not want to open , a door that cannot close . We are asking , how to light the fuse.
and the question really is , Should we ?
February 7th, 2008 at 6:38 am
OMG! OMG! OMG! The end is nigh
February 7th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I just had a question. What exactly will happen to said wormhole once it has been opened. You say it will only be open for a brief moment, so are you implying that it will fade out by releasing all its energy?
February 7th, 2008 at 8:21 am
When stated as fact, it's speculation like in this story that drains neurons of their usefulness. By any chance, was Ian on the committee that shot down the Texas collider that cost more to dismantle than to complete?
February 7th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Why am i getting sudden visions of Doom in my head?
In before the demon overlords from Hell come through and attempt to take over the human race.
I always had an idea that the "aliens" in space ships were probably just people from the future.
And if they were, then it could prove that time isn't linear, since coming back (and the spottings) could have had massive effects on the timeline.
Maybe the people at the LHC should have a radio receiver on their end, just in case someone wants to send a little message through.
"Hello world"
February 7th, 2008 at 8:48 am
So, now we know wher UFOs come from!
February 7th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Oh yes, Mark F., someone said that a UFO space occupant told them we will soon be able to travel in time - why it MUST be true then!
The gullibility level of people continues to amaze me, to say nothing of the lack of real education.
February 7th, 2008 at 9:14 am
@korak jumping onto the sneering insult wagon doesn't do your position much good, either. Just sayin', because plenty of what we accept as fact today would have been derided in decades past.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Todd - I wasn't dumping on the possibility that one day we may be able to time travel.
I was dumping on the fact that someone heard a story about an alien from a UFO telling someone else that we humans are close to being able to time travel.
I thought that was obvious.
With attitudes and gullibility like that, we won't be able to cross the street properly soon enough, to say nothing of time travel.
And guess what, even if an alien did say we were close to time travel, what good does that do if no details on how to do this were possible. The story merits about as much usefulness if I said some day we are going to send spaceships to the stars. Nice sentiment, but it doesn't get us there any faster or easier.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:11 am
The Death Star will be coming trough tthat wormhole. Mark My Words.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Go Korak 12!
Just wondering, with a name like that, are YOU a space traveler or time traveler? And I was told by an alien zombie's girlfriend's locker partner that slushy machines would open a portal to Michael Jackson's Neverland. I'm proposing we destroy every one of them before we all get sucked in!
February 7th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Well aliens and time traveling killer androids aside… What about the possibility of the appearance of particles placed inside the LHC from future experiments? That would be proof of time travel. May be messages could be sent in some form of particle Morse Code… As for the world getting sucked into oblivion I highly doubt there is enough energy to create a black hole or something. I'm more afraid of the ITER fusion reactor set to create gas to over 100 million degrees in 2018… Get your sunglasses and marshmallows out!
February 7th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Edensdoor, I really like the idea of looking for particles in the LHC coming from future experiments! Now just so long as you didn't get it from Peter K.'s alien zombie's girlfriend's locker partner.
And as for Peter K., no I am not a space or time traveler, nor am I the advance scout for the invasion fleet of the Galactic Empire - I mean, uh, nope, not that.
February 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Hunnter I had that thought as well, that the classic aliens we see, if they even exist could be time travelers from the future;) Creating a black hole in my opinion doesnt sound like a good idea, what if it starts expanding?
February 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Interesting indeed…and while we are at it, why don't we push this little red button- I mean, I don't know what it does but I'm sure if anything bad will come of it then little 'Greys' will shoot through the wormhole and save us all from ourselves. Testing fate usually works best in action movies only. Good Luck Science…Good Luck to Humanity
February 7th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
by the way…I'd like to know when they plan on throwing the switch as so I could kiss my loved ones just in case…nuff said!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
You guys read WAY too much science fiction and not enough science texts.
Or am I assuming too much in the reading department, period?
February 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
To Toby:
3. FACT: The LHC doesnt have enough power to generate either black hole or wormhole.
To Korak:
I totally agree with you. This 100% delusion like finding green bugs on the moon. Honestly speaking, does anyone really expect a 14TeV machine that can do everything?
I think I've read a research paper about the next generation collider, The VLHC which has the power from 100~400 TeV and it's planned to build around 2020-2050. This is truly the machine we need to create both black hole and wormhole in the lab, and look for other high energy exotic particles in theoretical predictions.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
People believe the strangest things….
February 7th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Mark Farnaby Says:
…it is a theory, and we have learned that in space, nothing is impossible!
Yes, and we also have learned that, in space, no one can hear you scream.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
ok, aliens being the evolved humans from the future is ABSURD! how can someone from the future come to us. If a future human comes to us, than that means we are living in the past. NOT the present that we THINK that we are living in. And if they are from the future than that means that THEY are living in the present because they are our future lol and if they are in the present than that means that THEY THEMSELVES have evolved humans living in their future as well lol LUDACRIS as they may sound. that is what you said.
and how can an alien from the future come to us any ways? didn't you say in order for us to go into the past we can only visit a time in period in history where there is a time machine invented. WE HAVE NO MACHINE YET. so how can they visit US????
think people. a child has more sense…
February 7th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I viewed a DVD on the Return of the Nephilim as an explanation for UFOs. It is very thought provoking and rather credible. It feels way out there, but the evidence is so compelling that it is difficult to dismiss even though it made me a little uncomfortable.
See about it here
http://store.khouse.org/store/catalog/CDA14.html?mv_pc=KHBOT
February 7th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
By the way, the presenter talked about multi dimensional universes and about what an object would look like as it travelled in, through and out of our universe to other universes.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
In reference to previous comments about not being able to travel back in time to a period of time with no time machine, wouldn't it depend on the type of time travel? A "one way fare" version wouldn't necessarily need to have a time machine on the other end, as a "round trip" version would.
And Adrian, determining whether or not you or someone else is in the future is all up to perception.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
In the future or the past, I mean.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
If time travel was possible, than according to einstein we would have to be going the speed of light. then time would seem to stop, although it doesnt actually stop. Time would just seem to stop because you are going the speed of light, not the speed of the universe.
This reminds me of this one futurama program where the crew "goes faster than the speed of light" by moving the Universe instead of their space-ship.
Thinking about this, I realized that everything does this and so if you were to to (according to einsteins theory of relativity) go into the past, you would have to go More than Twice the speed of light.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Think about things that happen without reasons . You will find that those are just impossible , not the time travel or alien .
A wormhole if it exists would be a shortcut from place to place in space . If wormhole could be the way to travel through time , then past and present and future would be together in a same time . Present is result of past , and reason of future . So , imagine how could reason and its result occurs in same time ?
Because we believe eveything is made of basic particles that have truth of their own , so we have to find what they are and prove them . That means we are trying to find the unique reason for everything . But nothing has just one reason , so we never find out .
I believe particle is a structure of energy . if LHC use a great deal of energy , maybe we won't get a wormhole , but instead of that we get a more massive particle which is formed by the energy and Einstein's EQT : E = mc2 .
Anyway , I'm a curious person , so I hope LHC will make a wormhole or even a black hole ( I'm not afraid of being eating by it ) , but I don't believe in time traveling .
February 8th, 2008 at 3:57 am
[...] consume the earth. The second takes a, shall we say, lighter approach, considering the studies of dark matter, wormholes, and time travelers as possible benefits. Yeah, it's Friday, but it's one of those [...]
February 8th, 2008 at 8:52 am
I just want to say that EVERYTHING is a theory and NOTHING has ever been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. And anyone who says otherwise is living in a severe state of delusion. So who's to say what this collider will or won't accomplish. Nobody will know until it is powered up and then it will be too late if it proves to be a mistake. But the point is, NOBODY knows.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:19 am
This BS article has attracted BS comments of all nature (including mine of course).
Most of you guys are not interested in scientific work or useful science results.
You enjoy drowning in lament, fear and naive dreams.
So now I know why the web site posts such BS, it is for you the dear readers
February 8th, 2008 at 9:56 am
In response to the one semi-constructional comment made above, ie. the possible (however unlikely) appearance of `future particles` within the LHC, I wonder how scientists would be able to recognise that such particles were indeed from the future?
February 8th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Hey Llorac, jump off a building - after all, gravity is just a theory, right? It isn't certain that you won't end up a pancake when you reach the ground, right?
There are some certainties in this world, not the least of which is that sub-educated fools always respond to stories like this with their sub-educated minds.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Am I the only person who isn't concerned that we could destroy the entire UNIVERSE with what we are doing here? I mean, creating conditions that have not existed since the Big Bang sounds a little DANGEROUS to me.
This may be the last year of all of our lives!
February 8th, 2008 at 11:20 am
The idea that the LHC might be able to generate microscopic black holes is a product of scientific theory. The same theories also indicate that such black holes cannot possibly consume and/or destroy the entire universe.
By nature, black holes are unstable. Even the largest of them will eventually dissipate their mass/energy via Hawking radiation and disappear. Smaller black holes "dissolve" faster, and our theories indicate that microscopic black holes do so in mere fractions of a second. Yes, these are just theories, but they are the same theories that provide for the existence of black holes in the first place.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Jason Kurant, please repeat after me:
I Am Legend was only a movie.
I will get some real science books on the subjects of particle accelerators and black holes.
We've had nuclear weapons for 63 years now, and despite the fact that they could have definitely destroyed civilization, we are still standing.
The LHC will make some amazing new discoveries for physics, but the only thing I hope it will destroy is the type of scientific illiteracy and ignorance I have seen in this thread and elsewhere.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Mark Farnaby, your argument is non-sense. If they were coming from a future where time travel is already possible it would only be possible because we discovered it. So why would they need to come back to see we are in the right track if we already did it in their past with their help!! non sense. Not to talk about that woman encounter.
google "String Theory"
Toby: you speak like an inquisitor or something like that. We dont really exactly know how wormholes work or what they are. But there are many in the universe and no deadly aliens are coming through them
Nicolas G: the existence of this holes if they happen at all would last nano seconds. If wont even be possible to detect them at all in the experiments. Actually, I grant you noone will look for them. The missing energy on the detectors is always explain with partciles that dont leave track like neutrinos or others that we havent yet found.
korak: hahahaha completely right
edensdoor: Actually, micro black holes are predicted to be created in LHC. Nothing to be afraid about ITER
Mega: this kind of very tiny black holes are created and destroyed all time around our planet. As the article well says, the cosmis rays hitting our outside atmosphere create more energetic collision than the one will happen at LHC
Malcolypse_the_Obsolete: low energy collisions by summer. Full energy by the end of the year.
3. FACT: The LHC doesnt have enough power to generate either black hole or wormhole–> no trully discarded
Adrian Shipp 11th grade: you really need to open your mind! xD
Andrew: what the writer is talking about is a present pushing theory that explains our universe composed by some extra very small dimensions that we havent been able yet to see. Instead of the 4 known (3 spacial + time) we will have extra dimension in each of the space directions, small so that if you will move along it you will end up in the same place
Brian: theoretically you need someone to open a door on the other side. An exit.
N Stone: we are all traveling in time all time. Our relative times are different. Someone travelling on an ariplane is travelling in time respect to the person waiting at the airport. The difference in times are so small that could only be detected by extremelly precise atomic clocks. However, the more the speed increases the more this time difference can be appreciated so that if you could travel to a very high speed just around the earth and you will come back, you will be actually in the future. We see this happending every day with particles. We just dont have the technology to travel ourselves at that speed. Now, travelling to the PAST, the subject of this article, is a different issue.
Thanks ED.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:19 am
@ walzaimer: The LHC doesnt have enough power to generate either black hole or wormhole–> no trully discarded
Is this a fact ? Or more a statement.
i cant even proove from a statistical point of view thattomorrow earth will collide with anasteroid. But it is very unlikely given the real facts.
Hey guys. I am a demon and tell you that LHC is a tool of evil. Apocalypse is coming. Or maybe something even worse we just have not been indoctrinated with yet, so I cant scare you with the stereotype of it .
lol
No offense menat but you are children that have seen to much lurid discovery channel exaggerations and hollywood pseudoscientific stereotypes about modern particle physics.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 am
Actually I happen to work at CERN. I wish I was a child again though lol
February 9th, 2008 at 5:09 am
hehe
And I am cathbad the seer.
[boast on]
I worked in semiconductor physics and in Ghz appliances, I was marketing manager, sales representative and system admin of complex real time super computers.
[boats off]
I dont know anything more than others.
But I feel that this article is nothing more than BS.
It collects 2 opinions (not facts) and puts a speculative lurid headline on top.
So what has that to do with scientific work ?
And with respect to the context:
what has it to do with science journalism ?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Yeah, korak, you sure hit the nail on the head with that sub-educated remark. At least you recognize your limitatations. That's always the first step in overcoming them. There's hope for you yet.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am
This is what i think…
If future dimensions and time are opened up in parrallel with our present dimensions and time then it could posibly create the following conditions:
1. A transition of our more dense universe into a future less dense universe? (as the universe is expanding)
2. A coexisting link at the collision from the exact present dimensions and position in existance(from when it occurs) to the exact dimensions and position of existance in a parrallel time(from when it occurs) with the posible opening up of a time where at that new present it is occupied by a star or even a real deep space sized black hole or even a quasar. Then we would be in trouble!
3. A non-happening effect where the instant in time the link is created, any change in physical existance of the two coexisting times will be evenly spread/distributed by the difference of time that seperates the coexisting times. Which can only be the length of time the colission takes place in?
it should not be done, the most un….natural thing humans will have done to that day.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
The entire universe already Was destroyed… 13.7 billion years ago. That's why we're here.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
WOW ,
February 9th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
no one knows exactly what will happen and because of that they shouldn't go ahead.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I came from the future; I've been here two years…..where the heck am I now?
February 9th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Didn't someone say the same sort of thing about the atom being split… sure it resulted in nuclear power and medicine and weapons but the universe didn't come to an end…
@ Phillip White: that sort of attitude is what brought about the dark ages, as a scientist and a nautrally curious human being it is our right to explore and push the boundaries as long as it is done in a manner generally ethically accepted. As much of this is speculation and hyped up some of the more mundane reports say this thing will do exactly what other colliders do and thats it. It will just give us insight to different types of particles.
Personally if they did detect objects from the future i would be thrilled but i seriously doubt that will happen.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Sorry Phillip…
Becuase i don't know if i will get hit by a bus tomorrow does that mean i should not leave the house?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:44 am
We are all time travellers. Flowing from the past, through the present, to the future. Like a flowing river current. We are all space travellers. Riding on the space ship earth at huge speeds.
We may be able to change the rate at which we travel in these flows. Thereby for example slowing down our travel or speeding our travel.
However its poor logic to believe that we can go back to something that has ceased to exist in our reality or to move forward to something that has yet to happen.
Time travel will be practical but in terms of changing our individual rates of travel within the flow.
February 10th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Einstein’s admitted he knew nothing about why time has an arrow and he also admitted he did not know what space itself is. Yet based around his physics the scientific community still makes the mistake of believing that Einstein’s relativity is the last word on time and space.
It is this poor attitude and closed mindedness that keeps us locked in Earth’s gravity well. Parrot fashion physics of the type taught from the top down in our Universities will never be radical enough to truly understand time and space.
Einstein has had a good run but now its time to think outside the box. Unless time and space are truly understood gravity will remain our jail keeper.
The LHC will not discover the Higgs Boson just as LIGO will never detect gravitational radiation, as has been shown by the non detection of gravitational waves from GRB070201, nor will the LHC create a wormhole. Like gravitational radiation, both dark energy and dark matter do not exist. They are only needed to fill the lack of understanding of what we are observing when peering back in time as we look out into the Universe purely because of the physics we presently use to describe spacetime.
Get real, physics has absolutely no understanding of the origins of space and time, it only has a description of spacetime made a hundred years ago so I wouldn’t worry too much about the LHC if I were you.
As for time travel, slowing down time is not a problem but going back in time will never happen so it should be left purely to the science fiction writers
February 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am
We are the aliens and we will be apart of time travel one day. Once we discover what's beyond the the dimensions that we know of, we will be able to experience time travel. And yes we must take chances if mankind want to go beyond our solar system to find other inhabitable place. If not, our limitation is already set. Who will be the ones who travel, and what if the travel exit to a volital
February 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
We are the aliens and we will be apart of time travel one day. Once we discover what's beyond the the dimensions that we know of, we will be able to experience time travel. And yes we must take chances if mankind want to go beyond our solar system to find other inhabitable place. If not, our limitation is already set. Who will be the ones who travel, and what if the travel exit to a volital time like when earth was just forming or when the sun starts to expand. These are just some of the questions. But it could also lead to Parallel worlds inwhich would be fun to encounter. This is something that we need as a world to see whats beyond!
February 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Welzeimer: "we are all traveling in time all time. Our relative times are different. Someone travelling on an ariplane is travelling in time respect to the person waiting at the airport. The difference in times are so small that could only be detected by extremelly precise atomic clocks. However, the more the speed increases the more this time difference can be appreciated so that if you could travel to a very high speed just around the earth and you will come back, you will be actually in the future."
-Time: A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.-
"apparently irreversible" is to say that it appears to be irriversible and nothing, not even things moving faster than the speed of light could go back in time. Would still just be be very fast and it would just seem to be in the past from the person witnessing it. and say that there was no light anywhere in the universe, What then?
My point is, Einsteins theory of relativity is not really a theory let alone a fact, but more of a point of veiw. And that is up to you to decide because this theory is really, relative(!) and it will change in relation to everything.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I can't wait! Time travel should be opened up anyday now for us..
February 10th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Hey Llorac - thanks for proving to me that your thoughts on this and probably every other subject are worthless.
Seriously, folks, stop reading SF and go read a book on real physics.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:47 am
It amazes me, korak, how you never seem to have anything useful or intelligent to say; you just personally attack everyone else who don't fall down and worship you like the god you deludedly think you are. Grow up, you big baby.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:58 am
If you actually understood anything I said, you would see I am railing against ignorance in general. Sorry if I don't sugarcoat it for the wussies of today.
Go waste someone else's time with your pseudoscientific ramblings.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
why worry about the LHC, when we cannot detect anything unusual in high energy collisons (neutron stars BH etc) and supernovae explosions? We cant even see or detect anything unusual in these instances, and the power of these natural effects are in the order of hundreds of trillions of times more powerful! so the LHC is nothing more than a amoeba fart in a very small glass in comparison, so no green aliens, no bloody wormhole of any discerning worry, no bloody time travel, just a bunch of exotic particles… youre all gonna be soooo disappointed! my 2penny worth!
February 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
First of all, the hisggs boson is very inconclusive, because all matter has mass and if you took mass out of an object, it would cease to exist or (1st idea) perhaps become a wormhole, because a wormhole is said to move things instantaniously from one place to another. this effect would be created by zero mass and thus create zero friction (maybe even acceleration). this would move someting through space at an extremely fast rate, and would (accordingto einsteins theory of relativity, speed something into the future
lastly,
(2nd idea)If there was a higgs boson (particle that is mass) and it could be seperated from other particles than it would become a black hole, I say this because if an object has zero volume, it would become a singularity and a singularity (or anything) that has only mass would be a black hole(even if it is very small.
the higgs boson can help discover someting whether it finds what they are looking for or not
February 12th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Time travel is a subject that has excited me for years and I'd be thrilled if someone obtained objects containing information from the future. But I accept I am unlikely to have personal experiences with physical time travel due to the lack of technology I have available to work with.
I was however able to travel freely in time during out of body experiences and re-entered younger versions of my body in the past! I even changed events and tried to make my life better. Goodluck with physical time travel…
February 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Hey Paul , that happens to me too ! I revisit my childhood all the time . But I havent thought of it as time travel , I call it Day Dreaming . hehe
February 16th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Walzaimer , thank you for your comment
but I dont recall saying anything about " Deadily Aliens or Demons " comming through a worm hole .
I'm so glad you know for a FACT if one is created , being so small , it will close on it's own .. Or will it ? Please tell me how your so sure of this ? I'm not like you , I learn something new every day .
February 17th, 2008 at 2:00 am
The writer is blowing smoke up his butt if he thinks we can't travel back in time. The same statement would be true if someone traveled into the future and there was no time machine.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:32 am
toby it felt too real to be a dream. When I found myself in a tent at summer camp I certainly wasn't day dreaming!
I accept that a lot of people will refuse to believe the experiences I have had are real but that's not an issue for me.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Paul , I do believe you , when I was much younger , I myself would have dreams of an event and when I woke I would quickly forget the dream I had , till days later , It would be like dejvue ! The event would start to take place , My memory of the dream would come back in perfict detail , I knew just what was about to happen, what other people were going to say and do . It would happen just how I dreamed down to the smallest detail .
But know that I'm much older I dont have the dream sight anymore . Now its your turn to poke fun at me if you wish , But I think most people set unbreakable limits for themselves , like the FACT we cannot fly … Walk on water…
Or read other peoples thoughts …
Yes even travel back & forth in time ….
OR Can We ??
February 19th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
To Hiro , the non-reader.
I was commenting on what the main article
had stated . Did you even read it ? Or were you to busy swating those GREEN bugs from Mars ?
Not only could the LHC generate enough energy to create particles that exist in other dimensions , it may also produce "unparticles" . a possible source for DARK MATTER. Now ,the energy may be so focused that even the FABRIC of SPACE-TIME may be pulled apart to create a WORMHOLE .This is Word for word from the MAIN article.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Geez, looks like we need to start a "Bad Physics" website and put all these crackpot stories in there.
March 20th, 2008 at 2:02 am
What was it that convinced their backers to finance this again?
Oh yeah just trying to confirm a couple of long hair pure science questions.
Nothing practicle to see here, just move along.
Move along!
Yeah,sure. NASA wishes they had those bucks.
I bet it alchemy they're after.
Turn rocks to gold, put the world on a gold standard, and print all they gold they want!
March 20th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Does anyone else feel something in the air. I can't really put it into words, but I know others must feel it too. It's almost like the way my dogs feel before a tornado. Is anyone else feeling this? I wish I could describe it, it is not necessarily bad , but SOMETHING is going to happen. A change , or total shift in the way things are? Please respond
March 20th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I was also thinking what if the LHC does open another dimension and there is something there? Like what if we alerted something to our presence and it came through because it was curious? What if it is something terrible, like a supervirus. is that possible?
March 24th, 2008 at 2:09 am
If we can make a wormhole then the people from the time ahead of us would have came here along time ago
March 28th, 2008 at 7:45 am
I predict that with the opening of the LHC, within the next few years we're going to see the most important discoveries in history. I'm hoping they discover something key to developing faster than light interstellar travel, maybe a method of opening a wormhole or warping spacetime easily.
March 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
oh please people (you must first learn to travel in space ) & i dont mean to the moon.
people here are very far off from true space travel & if any of you think i am wrong please tell me about any ship or rocket that could fly at speeds & to other planets apart from the moon & mars.
wormholes nothing so far could travel though one because the ship or rocket would brake up in to little bits,warping my god you must first get a ship to fly at speeds ,(what i am trying to say is the engery out put to get those speeds is not yet been designed & will not be for very long time ,to contain such energy you first need to make a sheild to keep the power with in it,on earth i say only few forms of power could make such energy & i dont mean nuclar power to un stable )even if you work out how to get the power ) you then need a ship with sheilds to protect the outer skin of the ship . so i ask every one be happy traveling on a train or tube ,bus because space travel just to far off for most of you.
only way travel will come if some one looks out side the normal box of idears
March 30th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Tavelling to another star is temporally possibe due to time dilation, (ie they don't die during the trip due to old age) maybe only 6 months pass in their frame of reference to get to the nearest star.
The difficulty is that mass increases to infinity as one approaches C so the energy required would appear to be impossible to achieve.
Gravitational fields must be used to bring the distant star to the traveler so that you do not need to travel anywhere near the speed of light if you can create a sufficiently strong directional gravetational field.
How do you create this field? Converting the energy from a fusion reaction to a gravitiational field must be how they do it but how do you do the energy gravity conversion?
Answer:
The energy from Fusion is used to accelerate the craft. Since the mass increases as the craft accelerates the fusion energy is converted to gravitational energy. The craft reaches a sub-C speed whereby the mass is sufficient to create the necessary G to bring the star to the traveler.
The technology needed is to direct the G field like a laser! I have no clue how they do this but this must be the mechanism for jumping to other stars..
Cheers
Frederick Portigal
March 31st, 2008 at 10:36 am
My concern with the LHC is somewhat philosophical. I don't trust human nature to make the correct risk free decision when faced with risks of this magnitude. I know enough about statistics to know that any risk, repeated enough times is virtually guaranteed to happen. Once the first risk is taken, then logic says it will be repeated (the next biggest collider, ect).
I cant wait to see the results tho.
April 6th, 2008 at 9:29 am
hey i just read all these comments and so far its just speculation even though some of may seem relevant but only to the view points of those who perceive time as events one happening after another to time travel we will have to bypass events say you go to sleep in February you remain intact but wake up in December wouldn't that be perceived as time travel or just bieng unaware
April 7th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Hello every1.
I think that hollywood and other b grade science fiction has a large impact on the education here. Think About this and let me know, There is no future, the future is only a tool to diecribe oganised planning. What if we are at the front of our timeline, think about it we plan to do stuff but use objects which are in this time spot to do them, we set tasks aside but do them in order to the plan, we use the lessons learnt to plan better, we learn new things from the now. But people will say if we can see the past, why can't the future see us as the past and that proves the future exist, true to a piont, to us the future don't exist, same as to them, but to them the past exist so they see us, I know its hard to place you mind around but just think about it. don't get blinded about the convention of time as we were brought up to think. Using shoestring theroy its possible to tarvel time, but I think we need to touch the other dimension where time is not linear where we can go sideways then pop back into the oringinal path. Because on the linear path we are restricted to us being at the front always in the timeline. Please give your thoughts
April 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
The best thing i can possibly think of with the LHC is with the research in Quantem computers and with the ability of wormholes, we can travel to other palces at the same time. which means with 1 gateway we can travel to multiple pionts. That should cut down on carbon use and make the greenies happy. but also think of travelling to other planets and moons, the cost would be afforable to everyone as that cost of fuel to blast away from earth will no longer be a factor.
But we have to work out a safe way to travel since its most likely we would be ripped apart once we get close to the event horizon and singalarity.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
First you say that time machines did not exist with the dinosaurs.
They you say a microscopic wormhole is a time machine and could bring time travelers
Then you say the very same wormholes are opening all the time from cosmic rays.
Didn't they have sunshine when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?
Make up your mind. Learn logic and reason.
Start the career at McDonalds which you so richly deserve.
April 9th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Won't it be funny when the increased gravitational pull resulting from an error in the current theories yanks a few hundred asteroids directly toward Earth? I mean, sure, all humans will increase in weight by an insane amount, but maybe we'll be alive long enough before the G's kill us to see the first impact.
Woohoo!
April 10th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Time travelling isn't the issue of concern, but the possible creation of gravity that can't be undone and could lead to the instant destruction of our planet, though not necessarily through asteroids. The LHC is the manifestation of human hybris to date, in that what has been speculated about in a very theoretical way is now being put in practice with a very vague outcome. No scientist is to be taken seriously who claims that the "results" from the LHC are predictable and safe. One night/day the whole population of the earth may be shaken up by the sound of a tremendous rumble, and a minute later our planet will have been swallowed up by what started off as an LHC-made super-gravitational field. No time to even say your last prayer.
LHC is the worst nightmare the human mind has ever come up with. STOP IT NOW!
April 11th, 2008 at 7:46 am
"LHC is the worst nightmare the human mind has ever come up with. STOP IT NOW!"
Oh boy. Listen, when you learned about physics in high school, did it ever occur to you how much energy is in each atom and how many atoms there are in the entire universe, let alone the human body?
So the energy from millions of protons (parts of an atom), creates "particles" that defies the laws of nature because some dudes in Hawaii said so? How exactly, will these particles obtain energy while not losing it, thus destroying the world?
May 5th, 2008 at 7:19 am
It is a worry isn't it.
end of the world
all that biz
Personally, i would like to see all the scientists that dreamt up this idea put into the Hadron Collider, wizzed around and smashed into each other so we can study the effects and if they have a Higgs Boson.
Same thing isn't it. We're just atoms
Seriously, whatever actualized this idea is a true force of evil.
My advice is try and grab a hold of something and not let the Gravitational or Quantum Singularity, or White Dwarf, or whatever is created, consume your mass, and get some bloody good sunscreen too!!
May 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I say.. bring on the Hardon Collider. If anything, it will make a hell of an experiment.
Why are people so afraid of this? Is it really because it creates a so-called risk to the world? Or maybe it's because people won't be able to read sci-fi novels anymore without abruptly coming to the realization that what is in their book is real.
Get off your tawdry asses and stop being babies. Let this thing happen. So what if a black wormhole sucks you in? Are you so sure you'll die because of it? This Hadron is one of the single greatest scientific achievements in human history.. it could be the closest thing to a time machine we make.
Let the vastness and enigma of the universe be revealed. Let fabrics be torn. Breathe in the incredible, ominous giant that will soon make his living in the world.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
On another note, somebody here mentioned that B-grade sci-fi movies were being used as evidence for a supposed risk to humanity.
I completely agree.
No grandiose apocalypse is going to occur; I believe we probably won't even see anything.
May 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
if we do create a time machine, there is nothing to suggest that we have been visited in the future from people in the present?