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> <channel><title>Comments on: Fermi Finds Gamma-Ray Microquasar</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:09:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Maxwell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74093</link> <dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:21:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74093</guid> <description>@Torbjorn:It can certainly be measured by the reactions you get when stating a fact to people who don&#039;t have much business in Astronomy.
You use an unscientific comparison like &quot;17 times hotter than the sun&quot; for reaching folks who don&#039;t understand stars, much less kelvin.
They know 70 is tee shirt weather and 350 will cook a turkey. So that is just as good a starting point when trying to impress them that something is incredibly, terribly and amazingly hot.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Torbjorn:</p><p>It can certainly be measured by the reactions you get when stating a fact to people who don&#039;t have much business in Astronomy.<br
/> You use an unscientific comparison like &#034;17 times hotter than the sun&#034; for reaching folks who don&#039;t understand stars, much less kelvin.<br
/> They know 70 is tee shirt weather and 350 will cook a turkey. So that is just as good a starting point when trying to impress them that something is incredibly, terribly and amazingly hot.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RUF</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74092</link> <dc:creator>RUF</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:59:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74092</guid> <description>There are also young people in the world who don&#039;t even know about Celsius, but only know of the Fahrenheit scale.It is intolerant to exclude or not accomodate them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also young people in the world who don&#039;t even know about Celsius, but only know of the Fahrenheit scale.</p><p>It is intolerant to exclude or not accomodate them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74072</link> <dc:creator>Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:17:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74072</guid> <description>Manu,Agreed. the un-significant figures are important. We cannot measure star surface temperature to +/- 1000 K, C or F!! I interpreted what you were saying implied the size of the error of measurement! Whoops!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manu,</p><p>Agreed. the un-significant figures are important. We cannot measure star surface temperature to +/- 1000 K, C or F!! I interpreted what you were saying implied the size of the error of measurement! Whoops!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manu</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74070</link> <dc:creator>Manu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74070</guid> <description>HSBC: no awfulness felt from here, but I don&#039;t understand your reply!
I was pointing the useless un-significant digits, not the use of &#039;Kelvin&#039; (which is correct), and I did write 100,000 _K_.Btw, I&#039;m one of those (not-so)-young people in the world who can&#039;t even spell Fahren-whatever right ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HSBC: no awfulness felt from here, but I don&#039;t understand your reply!<br
/> I was pointing the useless un-significant digits, not the use of &#039;Kelvin&#039; (which is correct), and I did write 100,000 _K_.</p><p>Btw, I&#039;m one of those (not-so)-young people in the world who can&#039;t even spell Fahren-whatever right <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74064</link> <dc:creator>Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74064</guid> <description>If I sounded awful when I originally posted this - I&#039;m sorry. It was not my real intent!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I sounded awful when I originally posted this &#8211; I&#039;m sorry. It was not my real intent!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74061</link> <dc:creator>Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74061</guid> <description>Manu said;&quot;100,255.372 Kelvin&quot;
Thanks for converting, but I doubt very much anything beyond the 2nd digit is at all realistic. 100,000 K would have been good enough.Sorry, You fail to see the point. There are young people in the world who don&#039;t even know about the Fahrenheit scale but only Celsius.
While it might seem like pertinacity, it is important to communicate in the language of science and units being used.. There is enough problems in learning astronomical terms than confuse it with inconsistency.Really, it would have been better to say &quot;the temperatures is 100,000 degrees&quot; - avoiding the confusion. Besides, the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales are useful for earthly temperatures between boil and freezing, or perhaps some hot oven or freezer.A temperature of 100,000 makes no sense at all, as it cannot be experienced or compared.Kelvin is the unit in astronomy, explaining temperature in terms of &quot;jiggliness&quot; of atoms! - and you don&#039;t have to worry about those stupid &#039;degree&#039; &quot;o&quot; symbols!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manu said;</p><p>&#034;100,255.372 Kelvin&#034;<br
/> Thanks for converting, but I doubt very much anything beyond the 2nd digit is at all realistic. 100,000 K would have been good enough.</p><p>Sorry, You fail to see the point. There are young people in the world who don&#039;t even know about the Fahrenheit scale but only Celsius.<br
/> While it might seem like pertinacity, it is important to communicate in the language of science and units being used.. There is enough problems in learning astronomical terms than confuse it with inconsistency.</p><p>Really, it would have been better to say &#034;the temperatures is 100,000 degrees&#034; &#8211; avoiding the confusion. Besides, the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales are useful for earthly temperatures between boil and freezing, or perhaps some hot oven or freezer.</p><p>A temperature of 100,000 makes no sense at all, as it cannot be experienced or compared.</p><p>Kelvin is the unit in astronomy, explaining temperature in terms of &#034;jiggliness&#034; of atoms! &#8211; and you don&#039;t have to worry about those stupid &#039;degree&#039; &#034;o&#034; symbols!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Torbjorn Larsson OM</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74057</link> <dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson OM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74057</guid> <description>Manu, actually it works both ways.&lt;blockquote&gt;
being understood or being snooty
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Fascinating. What is the measure of &quot;snooty&quot;? If it can&#039;t be measured it doesn&#039;t exist, you know. :-D[Unless it&#039;s a part of a larger theory. Presumably, in the context we are discussing a theory on social communication. Or is it a theory on social perception? ;-)FWIW, the process of being understood can presumably be measured as Shannon information. _What_ is understood is another problem. (o.O)]@ Astrofiend:Of course one could use natural units, anything else would be unnatural, wouldn&#039;t it? :-/ Remind me to not ask you about recipes.But, you touch on the problem of which natural units to use. Free space units, atomic units, ... A standardized measurement system has to be decided by convention. Yes, it&#039;s choice, but it&#039;s not your choice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manu, actually it works both ways.</p><blockquote><p> being understood or being snooty</p></blockquote><p>Fascinating. What is the measure of &#034;snooty&#034;? If it can&#039;t be measured it doesn&#039;t exist, you know. <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>[Unless it's a part of a larger theory. Presumably, in the context we are discussing a theory on social communication. Or is it a theory on social perception? <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>FWIW, the process of being understood can presumably be measured as Shannon information. _What_ is understood is another problem. (o.O)]</p><p>@ Astrofiend:</p><p>Of course one could use natural units, anything else would be unnatural, wouldn&#039;t it? :-/ Remind me to not ask you about recipes.</p><p>But, you touch on the problem of which natural units to use. Free space units, atomic units, &#8230; A standardized measurement system has to be decided by convention. Yes, it&#039;s choice, but it&#039;s not your choice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manu</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74056</link> <dc:creator>Manu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74056</guid> <description>Edit latest post: please read _significant_ instead of _realistic_.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit latest post: please read _significant_ instead of _realistic_.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manu</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74048</link> <dc:creator>Manu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74048</guid> <description>&quot;100,255.372 Kelvin&quot;
Thanks for converting, but I doubt very much anything beyond the 2nd digit is at all realistic. 100,000 K would have been good enough.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;100,255.372 Kelvin&#034;<br
/> Thanks for converting, but I doubt very much anything beyond the 2nd digit is at all realistic. 100,000 K would have been good enough.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Astrofiend</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74041</link> <dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:45:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74041</guid> <description>Screw it all. I exclusively use natural units. Velocity, angular momentum and energy are my base quantities.The speed of light  = 1. hbar = 1.  Energy is measured in eV. Mass, length and time are derived.I henceforth request that all measurements on this site be expressed in terms of my chosen base quantities.It&#039;s easier for cooking that way too: i.e., add 3.12261397*10^7 E .V^?2 of flour to the mix. Open the oven and cook for for 3*10^3 L.E^?1. Etc. More intuitive I think.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw it all. I exclusively use natural units. Velocity, angular momentum and energy are my base quantities.The speed of light  = 1. hbar = 1.  Energy is measured in eV. Mass, length and time are derived.</p><p>I henceforth request that all measurements on this site be expressed in terms of my chosen base quantities.</p><p>It&#039;s easier for cooking that way too: i.e., add 3.12261397*10^7 E .V^?2 of flour to the mix. Open the oven and cook for for 3*10^3 L.E^?1. Etc. More intuitive I think.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Maxwell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74037</link> <dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:35:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74037</guid> <description>The old units were made by humans to represent human scales of understanding. They were not designed with much hard core science in mind.That said, you tell someone how hot something is in Kelvin and they often give you a blank stare.  Tell them its some fantastically large number of Fahrenheit&#039;s and they say &quot;Sweet Jesus, thats HOT!&quot;.
Its often a choice between being understood  or being snooty.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old units were made by humans to represent human scales of understanding. They were not designed with much hard core science in mind.</p><p>That said, you tell someone how hot something is in Kelvin and they often give you a blank stare.  Tell them its some fantastically large number of Fahrenheit&#039;s and they say &#034;Sweet Jesus, thats HOT!&#034;.<br
/> Its often a choice between being understood  or being snooty.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Torbjorn Larsson OM</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74033</link> <dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson OM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74033</guid> <description>I&#039;ll take the pitch for Imperial units with a grain of salt.[Actually, I think it&#039;s kind of sad.It has taken humans such a long time to go from &quot;egocentric&quot; local units to objectively standardized. Every time I see non-SI units, outside of convenient specialty measures, I&#039;m reminded of that long and arduous journey.]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll take the pitch for Imperial units with a grain of salt.</p><p>[Actually, I think it's kind of sad.</p><p>It has taken humans such a long time to go from "egocentric" local units to objectively standardized. Every time I see non-SI units, outside of convenient specialty measures, I'm reminded of that long and arduous journey.]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DrFlimmer</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74031</link> <dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:12:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74031</guid> <description>@ LBCI guess, especially in every-day-life this is a matter of familiarization. I perfectly know what it means when we have 10°C out there. This is also true for any forms of measurements. I am used to it, so as you are to the old English system.But what ever.... have a nice, tasty meal! :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ LBC</p><p>I guess, especially in every-day-life this is a matter of familiarization. I perfectly know what it means when we have 10°C out there. This is also true for any forms of measurements. I am used to it, so as you are to the old English system.</p><p>But what ever&#8230;. have a nice, tasty meal! <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lawrence B. Crowell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74030</link> <dc:creator>Lawrence B. Crowell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74030</guid> <description>I thought I would give a pitch for the old English system of units.  They are terribly useless for science, and cumbersome for engineering.  Thought US industry still uses it.  There is something to be said for it all.  In cooking a dinner, such as right now while taking some email and blog time in between going to the kitchen, I would find it horrible to use grams, milliliters, and so forth.  The one thing the English system (which is a vestige of medieval systems) offers is things go in doubles and halves, teaspoons, tablespoons, cups, pints, quarts, etc.  And after all a liter is a little bigger than a quart, so it is not that hard to convert.  When it comes to weights ounces and pounds are easier to work with for lots of ordinary things than grams and kilograms. An ounce is about the perfect unit of weight for --- well cooking again.  With temperature, Fahrenheit is more useful for ordinary things, as the units are smaller.  I can think Celsius or Kelviin in science, but not the daily weather. For length measurements the English system is not as convenient over metric.  I do wish my country would go more metric, but still keep the English system.  It will teach students on how units are scalable and not absolute.Cheers LC</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I would give a pitch for the old English system of units.  They are terribly useless for science, and cumbersome for engineering.  Thought US industry still uses it.  There is something to be said for it all.  In cooking a dinner, such as right now while taking some email and blog time in between going to the kitchen, I would find it horrible to use grams, milliliters, and so forth.  The one thing the English system (which is a vestige of medieval systems) offers is things go in doubles and halves, teaspoons, tablespoons, cups, pints, quarts, etc.  And after all a liter is a little bigger than a quart, so it is not that hard to convert.  When it comes to weights ounces and pounds are easier to work with for lots of ordinary things than grams and kilograms. An ounce is about the perfect unit of weight for &#8212; well cooking again.  With temperature, Fahrenheit is more useful for ordinary things, as the units are smaller.  I can think Celsius or Kelviin in science, but not the daily weather. For length measurements the English system is not as convenient over metric.  I do wish my country would go more metric, but still keep the English system.  It will teach students on how units are scalable and not absolute.</p><p>Cheers LC</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lawrence B. Crowell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74026</link> <dc:creator>Lawrence B. Crowell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74026</guid> <description>If the temperature is 180,000F that is pretty easy to convert to K :-) God that is a hot star.  I suppose all that material flying off is what feeds the compact companion.Happy T-day LC</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the temperature is 180,000F that is pretty easy to convert to K <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> God that is a hot star.  I suppose all that material flying off is what feeds the compact companion.</p><p>Happy T-day LC</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nancy Atkinson</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74023</link> <dc:creator>Nancy Atkinson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:14:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74023</guid> <description>Sorry about forgetting to convert.....The paper is now available online.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about forgetting to convert&#8230;..</p><p>The paper is now available online.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DrFlimmer</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74019</link> <dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:46:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74019</guid> <description>Is there anything known about a paper to come? I would like to know if there is a spectrum available!And what the heck is Fahrenheit? Curse you, Americans, no one in the whole world uses this stupid system, but you must always stand aside!Sorry, this wanted to be said ;) :DGreat article, Nancy!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anything known about a paper to come? I would like to know if there is a spectrum available!</p><p>And what the heck is Fahrenheit? Curse you, Americans, no one in the whole world uses this stupid system, but you must always stand aside!</p><p>Sorry, this wanted to be said <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Great article, Nancy!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74017</link> <dc:creator>Hon. Salacious B. Crumb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74017</guid> <description>Eh? 180,000 degrees F.What&#039;s that in Celsius or even Kelvin? (or are we returning to the bad ol&#039; days???)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh? 180,000 degrees F.</p><p>What&#039;s that in Celsius or even Kelvin? (or are we returning to the bad ol&#039; days???)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sili</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/26/fermi-finds-gamma-ray-microquasar/comment-page-1/#comment-74016</link> <dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:14:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=46149#comment-74016</guid> <description>For us Imperially challenged that&#039;s 100 kK according to Fr Google.I lurrve Fermi.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For us Imperially challenged that&#039;s 100 kK according to Fr Google.</p><p>I lurrve Fermi.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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