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> <channel><title>Comments on: Perchlorates and Water Make for Potential Habitable Environment on Mars</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:20:09 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: TD</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68279</link> <dc:creator>TD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:01:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68279</guid> <description>Astrofiend - sorry, unless you represent the management of this site, I don&#039;t think you have the authority to alter the censorship rules.  As for the nameless book I alluded to, the author of this article has a copy.The greatest scientific question 50 years ago was &quot;does Mars have life?&quot;.  It&#039;s 2009 and it&#039;s at least conceivable that someone is dragging their feet.  Of course the big question is &quot;why&quot;? The book is a somewhat speculative attempt to put together the pieces.  If UniverseToday chooses not to review it, I suppose they have their reasons.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astrofiend &#8211; sorry, unless you represent the management of this site, I don&#039;t think you have the authority to alter the censorship rules.  As for the nameless book I alluded to, the author of this article has a copy.</p><p>The greatest scientific question 50 years ago was &#034;does Mars have life?&#034;.  It&#039;s 2009 and it&#039;s at least conceivable that someone is dragging their feet.  Of course the big question is &#034;why&#034;? The book is a somewhat speculative attempt to put together the pieces.  If UniverseToday chooses not to review it, I suppose they have their reasons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68272</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:32:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68272</guid> <description>Of course it is entirely possible that the landing rockets vaporized some of the ice now exposed below the lander and THAT vapor caused a temporary &#039;stickyness&#039; as seen at the oven grates?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it is entirely possible that the landing rockets vaporized some of the ice now exposed below the lander and THAT vapor caused a temporary &#039;stickyness&#039; as seen at the oven grates?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lawrence B. Crowell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68262</link> <dc:creator>Lawrence B. Crowell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68262</guid> <description>TD:  Given enough money it should be be possible to plant a probe on Mars that goes about gather samples to run PCR (polymerase chain reaction) to determine if there are genomes from organisms in the soil.  Another expensive probe might run soil samples through microscopic analysis.  These could be combined with rovers or robots which ferry material to the lander-lab bench or act as their own lab bench.It all costs money $$$, and that is where the real trick lies.  If we put a few probes down on Mars with each Hohman transfer orbital window (about once a year) we might be able to detect for the presence or absence of martian life directly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD:  Given enough money it should be be possible to plant a probe on Mars that goes about gather samples to run PCR (polymerase chain reaction) to determine if there are genomes from organisms in the soil.  Another expensive probe might run soil samples through microscopic analysis.  These could be combined with rovers or robots which ferry material to the lander-lab bench or act as their own lab bench.</p><p>It all costs money $$$, and that is where the real trick lies.  If we put a few probes down on Mars with each Hohman transfer orbital window (about once a year) we might be able to detect for the presence or absence of martian life directly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Astrofiend</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68257</link> <dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:07:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68257</guid> <description>P.S. TD - censorship my ass. You&#039;re the one censoring yourself so you can play victim. The moderation rules were put in place to stop every single post degenerating into an anti-science free for all. They are not there to stop considered conversation on controversial yet topical subjects that haven&#039;t been thrashed to death hundreds of times in previous posts - i.e. EU and whatnot. This is a forum for topical issues in astronomy, not a place for proving ATM theories.As far as I&#039;m aware, not one single instance of the rules having to be enforced has even played out yet. I don&#039;t even remember there being a warning. Stop crying about censorship - it&#039;s called moderation and it needed to be done. Tell us the name of your book, what it&#039;s claims are and stop whinging.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. TD &#8211; censorship my ass. You&#039;re the one censoring yourself so you can play victim. The moderation rules were put in place to stop every single post degenerating into an anti-science free for all. They are not there to stop considered conversation on controversial yet topical subjects that haven&#039;t been thrashed to death hundreds of times in previous posts &#8211; i.e. EU and whatnot. This is a forum for topical issues in astronomy, not a place for proving ATM theories.</p><p>As far as I&#039;m aware, not one single instance of the rules having to be enforced has even played out yet. I don&#039;t even remember there being a warning. Stop crying about censorship &#8211; it&#039;s called moderation and it needed to be done. Tell us the name of your book, what it&#039;s claims are and stop whinging.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Astrofiend</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68256</link> <dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:58:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68256</guid> <description>TD Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:03 am&quot;For decades we were told the follow-the-water strategy was the trail to looking for life on Mars…..now we are in for decades of follow-the-chemistry? Pathetic.&quot;Well, considering the only life we&#039;re aware of uses chemistry to exist, particularly the action of water, then I don&#039;t really think you can fault the logic used to this point. If you&#039;re not basing your search off water or chemical markers, then what are you left with? Sending a probe to mars with the sole objective of looking for life based on entirely ambiguous spectroscopic data (chemical markers in themselves) with extremely poor spatial resolution that may or may not suggest organics somewhere on the planet would likely end up being the most expensive flop of all time.And what if it plonks down and finds nothing - a null result? That wouldn&#039;t appease anybody - people would simply say it&#039;s in the wrong place. So then you have to build a mission that could travel and somehow thoroughly sample the Martian soil over a large area and in a diverse range of places. This would take many years on the martian surface, even assuming that we had the technology to keep some sort of rover or other robot alive on the surface for that long. That means big $$$.NASA and the ESA will only send a dedicated &#039;life-hunter&#039; when they are sure they have nailed down a location that seems extremely likely to have once harboured life. And that&#039;s the way it should be.Bravehart Says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm&quot;Wish they think these objectives thru, before
putting an expensive piece of garbage on an
planet that is not ours.&quot;I wish you&#039;d think your comments through before posting a rambling piece of garbage like this, but hey - we can&#039;t all have what we want, eh?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD Says:<br
/> July 5th, 2009 at 7:03 am</p><p>&#034;For decades we were told the follow-the-water strategy was the trail to looking for life on Mars…..now we are in for decades of follow-the-chemistry? Pathetic.&#034;</p><p>Well, considering the only life we&#039;re aware of uses chemistry to exist, particularly the action of water, then I don&#039;t really think you can fault the logic used to this point. If you&#039;re not basing your search off water or chemical markers, then what are you left with? Sending a probe to mars with the sole objective of looking for life based on entirely ambiguous spectroscopic data (chemical markers in themselves) with extremely poor spatial resolution that may or may not suggest organics somewhere on the planet would likely end up being the most expensive flop of all time.</p><p>And what if it plonks down and finds nothing &#8211; a null result? That wouldn&#039;t appease anybody &#8211; people would simply say it&#039;s in the wrong place. So then you have to build a mission that could travel and somehow thoroughly sample the Martian soil over a large area and in a diverse range of places. This would take many years on the martian surface, even assuming that we had the technology to keep some sort of rover or other robot alive on the surface for that long. That means big $$$.</p><p>NASA and the ESA will only send a dedicated &#039;life-hunter&#039; when they are sure they have nailed down a location that seems extremely likely to have once harboured life. And that&#039;s the way it should be.</p><p>Bravehart Says:<br
/> July 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm</p><p>&#034;Wish they think these objectives thru, before<br
/> putting an expensive piece of garbage on an<br
/> planet that is not ours.&#034;</p><p>I wish you&#039;d think your comments through before posting a rambling piece of garbage like this, but hey &#8211; we can&#039;t all have what we want, eh?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TD</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68248</link> <dc:creator>TD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68248</guid> <description>For decades we were told the follow-the-water strategy was the trail to looking for life on Mars.....now we are in for decades of follow-the-chemistry?  Pathetic.  Why don&#039;t we look for microbial life?  Discovery of life on Mars will be the greatest discovery in the history of science - but the only direct search are the two Viking probes in the 1970&#039;s....and their results were ambiguous.  Organics on Mars are are still an unknown?  How about following up on the spectroscopic &quot;Sinton bands&quot; suggestions of organics?  And the other interesting signs that Mars is not a dead planet.If I&#039;m not mistaken, there is a book out there (which, due to censorship policies on this site, cannot be mentioned)  with a small but steadily growing following that takes a serious look at these issues.  I wish UniverseToday.com would review this book.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For decades we were told the follow-the-water strategy was the trail to looking for life on Mars&#8230;..now we are in for decades of follow-the-chemistry?  Pathetic.  Why don&#039;t we look for microbial life?  Discovery of life on Mars will be the greatest discovery in the history of science &#8211; but the only direct search are the two Viking probes in the 1970&#039;s&#8230;.and their results were ambiguous.  Organics on Mars are are still an unknown?  How about following up on the spectroscopic &#034;Sinton bands&#034; suggestions of organics?  And the other interesting signs that Mars is not a dead planet.</p><p>If I&#039;m not mistaken, there is a book out there (which, due to censorship policies on this site, cannot be mentioned)  with a small but steadily growing following that takes a serious look at these issues.  I wish UniverseToday.com would review this book.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68240</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68240</guid> <description>I beg to difer...  because as far as we know everything in the solar system belongs to us?! So the statement &quot;...on a planet that is not ours.&quot;, nay be presumptuous at best....Goint a little further.. it IS possible, although unlikely, that the entire universe belongs to US..... That&#039;d be nice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to difer&#8230;  because as far as we know everything in the solar system belongs to us?! So the statement &#034;&#8230;on a planet that is not ours.&#034;, nay be presumptuous at best&#8230;.</p><p>Goint a little further.. it IS possible, although unlikely, that the entire universe belongs to US&#8230;.. That&#039;d be nice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bravehart</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68239</link> <dc:creator>Bravehart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68239</guid> <description>Without  having seen the DATA, I do not accept any of the interpetations of what has been written.
The frost bubbles on the legs, can only mean one thing, that there is moisture on mars at least where the lander is!That moisture could be H2 and maybe O. Any one that lives in the Norhderen regions of this planet of ours knows that at an temperature of ~ -5 to -10C
these same frost bubbles are present on your car or on any metal for that matter!
Ergo the papers are speculative to say the least. And they say the oven temps was 295C? Where they frying an egg or where the
melting gold? I&#039;m applaud their endavour,
but concrete result is another one?
Wish  they think these objectives thru, before
putting an expensive piece of garbage on an
planet that is not ours.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without  having seen the DATA, I do not accept any of the interpetations of what has been written.<br
/> The frost bubbles on the legs, can only mean one thing, that there is moisture on mars at least where the lander is!That moisture could be H2 and maybe O. Any one that lives in the Norhderen regions of this planet of ours knows that at an temperature of ~ -5 to -10C<br
/> these same frost bubbles are present on your car or on any metal for that matter!<br
/> Ergo the papers are speculative to say the least. And they say the oven temps was 295C? Where they frying an egg or where the<br
/> melting gold? I&#039;m applaud their endavour,<br
/> but concrete result is another one?<br
/> Wish  they think these objectives thru, before<br
/> putting an expensive piece of garbage on an<br
/> planet that is not ours.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68236</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:29:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68236</guid> <description>Which consequentially evaporated...~</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which consequentially evaporated&#8230;~</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/07/02/perchlorates-and-water-make-for-potential-habitable-environment-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-68235</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:28:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33931#comment-68235</guid> <description>Great article! Although....&quot;The heating in ovens did not drive off any water vapor at temperatures lower than 295 degrees Celsius (563 degrees Fahrenheit), indicating the soil held no water adhering to soil particles.&quot;....this information does not mention the &#039;clumping&#039; of materials seen at the oven intake grates and how eventually that material seemed to &#039;dry out&#039; and finally reach the oven(s). Could that have been an atmospheric condensate of water mixed in the sample?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Although&#8230;.</p><p>&#034;The heating in ovens did not drive off any water vapor at temperatures lower than 295 degrees Celsius (563 degrees Fahrenheit), indicating the soil held no water adhering to soil particles.&#034;</p><p>&#8230;.this information does not mention the &#039;clumping&#039; of materials seen at the oven intake grates and how eventually that material seemed to &#039;dry out&#039; and finally reach the oven(s). Could that have been an atmospheric condensate of water mixed in the sample?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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