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> <channel><title>Comments on: 1908 Tunguska Event Caused by Comet, New Research Reveals</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:33:34 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Jim Krug</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67897</link> <dc:creator>Jim Krug</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:30:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67897</guid> <description>And then there&#039;s this little jewel:&quot;Kelley said he became intrigued by the historical eyewitness accounts of the aftermath, and concluded that the bright skies must have been the result of noctilucent clouds. &quot;It&#039;s incredibly vauge as to whether witnesses themselves actually described &quot;noctilucent clouds&quot;, or whether the author of the paper just heard accounts of &quot;bright skies&quot; and ASSUMED they were such clouds.Even though I do believe other life is visiting Earth, I was initially skeptical of the Russian scientist&#039;s paper about the &quot;Tunguska UFO&quot;.  However, this followup &quot;research&quot; came out so quickly afterwards and is based on such a weak assumption that it actually makes me wonder if the initial explanation didn&#039;t have more truth to it than we realized.JIm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#039;s this little jewel:</p><p>&#034;Kelley said he became intrigued by the historical eyewitness accounts of the aftermath, and concluded that the bright skies must have been the result of noctilucent clouds. &#034;</p><p>It&#039;s incredibly vauge as to whether witnesses themselves actually described &#034;noctilucent clouds&#034;, or whether the author of the paper just heard accounts of &#034;bright skies&#034; and ASSUMED they were such clouds.</p><p>Even though I do believe other life is visiting Earth, I was initially skeptical of the Russian scientist&#039;s paper about the &#034;Tunguska UFO&#034;.  However, this followup &#034;research&#034; came out so quickly afterwards and is based on such a weak assumption that it actually makes me wonder if the initial explanation didn&#039;t have more truth to it than we realized.</p><p>JIm</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Krug</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67896</link> <dc:creator>Jim Krug</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:26:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67896</guid> <description>Gee, one Russian scientist comes out with a paper detailing how the blast was caused by a UFO, then suddenly a few short weeks later another paper comes out with an incredibly mundane explanation.What a coincidence (rolls eyes).I find the premise of the paper to be a ridiculous assumption.  Hmm, what&#039;s all that white stuff in the ground in those Tunguska pictures?  Do ya think if a few hundred tons of the stuff got blasted into the air that it wouldn&#039;t have a similar effect?JIm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, one Russian scientist comes out with a paper detailing how the blast was caused by a UFO, then suddenly a few short weeks later another paper comes out with an incredibly mundane explanation.</p><p>What a coincidence (rolls eyes).</p><p>I find the premise of the paper to be a ridiculous assumption.  Hmm, what&#039;s all that white stuff in the ground in those Tunguska pictures?  Do ya think if a few hundred tons of the stuff got blasted into the air that it wouldn&#039;t have a similar effect?</p><p>JIm</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67892</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67892</guid> <description>Hmmm... I always leaned toward shuttle exhaust as a possible vector for Noctulescent cloud formation. This story seems to confirm that.. makes sense anyway.... finally.Now, a comet entering the upper atmosphere would reach temperatures that might preclude a fusion or fission reaction?THAT makes sense too in that the fused glass deposits found in Africa and Australia seem to have been created by an air blast with substantial thermal/radiative energy... also cometary chunks? OR even the postulated cometary strike above North America 13,000 BCE explained?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I always leaned toward shuttle exhaust as a possible vector for Noctulescent cloud formation. This story seems to confirm that.. makes sense anyway&#8230;. finally.</p><p>Now, a comet entering the upper atmosphere would reach temperatures that might preclude a fusion or fission reaction?</p><p>THAT makes sense too in that the fused glass deposits found in Africa and Australia seem to have been created by an air blast with substantial thermal/radiative energy&#8230; also cometary chunks? OR even the postulated cometary strike above North America 13,000 BCE explained?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mang</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67888</link> <dc:creator>mang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67888</guid> <description>@Nancy - typo &quot;Cornell University came to that conclusion it quite interesting&quot;  ... &quot;is quite interesting&quot;@Greg - if I recall it is suspected of being from comet Encke and the Beta Taurids shower.I know there is some data on the trajectory from the blast pattern but I have no idea if this has been extrapolated backwards to possible orbits.  Still I&#039;d expect a fair bit of wiggle room in any such prediction.@Feenixx - the comment about an exit wound in the North Atlantic suggests that a trajectory has been predicted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nancy &#8211; typo &#034;Cornell University came to that conclusion it quite interesting&#034;  &#8230; &#034;is quite interesting&#034;</p><p>@Greg &#8211; if I recall it is suspected of being from comet Encke and the Beta Taurids shower.</p><p>I know there is some data on the trajectory from the blast pattern but I have no idea if this has been extrapolated backwards to possible orbits.  Still I&#039;d expect a fair bit of wiggle room in any such prediction.</p><p>@Feenixx &#8211; the comment about an exit wound in the North Atlantic suggests that a trajectory has been predicted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kaizad</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67887</link> <dc:creator>Kaizad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:47:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67887</guid> <description>&quot;As such it may be possible to trace the fragment back to a known parent body based on when it impacted.&quot;That&#039;s an idea. Has anyone attempted to do so? Assuming the devastator was indeed a comet fragment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;As such it may be possible to trace the fragment back to a known parent body based on when it impacted.&#034;</p><p>That&#039;s an idea. Has anyone attempted to do so? Assuming the devastator was indeed a comet fragment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67885</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67885</guid> <description>I fgured this was the direction that this was going. There was an article within the last year I believe speculating that the impact was the result of a comet that bounced off the atmosphere and a piece of it subsequently broke off and caused this explosion. What makes more sense is that it was a comet fragment that had already detatched from it&#039;s parent body long ago that hit the atmosphere, leaving out the part about a larger object glancing off since the larger body would have been detected. As such it may be possible to trace the fragment back to a known parent body based on when it impacted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fgured this was the direction that this was going. There was an article within the last year I believe speculating that the impact was the result of a comet that bounced off the atmosphere and a piece of it subsequently broke off and caused this explosion. What makes more sense is that it was a comet fragment that had already detatched from it&#039;s parent body long ago that hit the atmosphere, leaving out the part about a larger object glancing off since the larger body would have been detected. As such it may be possible to trace the fragment back to a known parent body based on when it impacted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67873</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67873</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I have never seen Noctilucent clouds, do they really glow so much as to illuminate a night??Would the glow only occur while the Sun is still hitting the high atmosphere, but not necessarily all night?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve seen photos taken during the night after the event. Apparently it was possible to read the newspaper outside at midnight, in London.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I have never seen Noctilucent clouds, do they really glow so much as to illuminate a night??</p><p>Would the glow only occur while the Sun is still hitting the high atmosphere, but not necessarily all night?</p></blockquote><p>I&#039;ve seen photos taken during the night after the event. Apparently it was possible to read the newspaper outside at midnight, in London.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: damian</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67871</link> <dc:creator>damian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:16:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67871</guid> <description>Yes whatever happened to the rocks with the stellar maps? Perhaps this is how a conspiracy cult works; hatch a poorly conceived press release , wait for dodgy media outlet to take bait, then languish in the cover up side story.I have never seen Noctilucent clouds, do they really glow so much as to illuminate a night??Would the glow only occur while the Sun is still hitting the high atmosphere, but not necessarily all night?Damian K</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes whatever happened to the rocks with the stellar maps? Perhaps this is how a conspiracy cult works; hatch a poorly conceived press release , wait for dodgy media outlet to take bait, then languish in the cover up side story.</p><p>I have never seen Noctilucent clouds, do they really glow so much as to illuminate a night??</p><p>Would the glow only occur while the Sun is still hitting the high atmosphere, but not necessarily all night?</p><p>Damian K</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dark Gnat</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67869</link> <dc:creator>Dark Gnat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:14:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67869</guid> <description>I thought it was &quot;proven&quot; that an alien spaceship crashed, and exploded.  Remember, they found those navigational rocks! :D</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was &#034;proven&#034; that an alien spaceship crashed, and exploded.  Remember, they found those navigational rocks! <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67868</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:51:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67868</guid> <description>Torbjorn Larsson OM, I&#039;ve seen many conjectures and notions come and go.
I remember when the &quot;meteorite versus comet&quot; debate was finally resolved, conclusively, in favour of a meteorite.
Somebody showed that a chunk or blob of antimatter (about 100g to 200g) would have been fairly consistent with the damage - alas, they could not describe a convincing scenario for the origin of the antimatter.
A team from Texas suggested a small-ish Black Hole passing right through the Earth - somebody else showed that the damage should have been much greater... and an expected exit event in the North Atlantic could not be traced.
A blob of Plasma ejected from the Sun was suggested and discarded very quickly when I was a young student.... 30 years ago, or thereabouts.
Now, the resurrected Comet has a problem: how could the cometary material disperse so quickly around the globe.The most convincing idea I&#039;ve seen is actually from a Sci-Fi-ish Suspense and Political Intrigue novel, &quot;Singularity&quot; by Bill deSmedt (spelling?), proposed by a fictional scientist:  a primordial black hole. Viral marketing for the book, probably put together by (a) &quot;real&quot; scientist(s), explained it nicely, mathematics and all... but it didn&#039;t supply a mechanism by which such a &quot;tiny&quot; &lt;b&gt;hot&lt;/b&gt; black hole could have survived 13.7 billion years of emitting Hawking Radiation....ah, well....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torbjorn Larsson OM, I&#039;ve seen many conjectures and notions come and go.<br
/> I remember when the &#034;meteorite versus comet&#034; debate was finally resolved, conclusively, in favour of a meteorite.<br
/> Somebody showed that a chunk or blob of antimatter (about 100g to 200g) would have been fairly consistent with the damage &#8211; alas, they could not describe a convincing scenario for the origin of the antimatter.<br
/> A team from Texas suggested a small-ish Black Hole passing right through the Earth &#8211; somebody else showed that the damage should have been much greater&#8230; and an expected exit event in the North Atlantic could not be traced.<br
/> A blob of Plasma ejected from the Sun was suggested and discarded very quickly when I was a young student&#8230;. 30 years ago, or thereabouts.<br
/> Now, the resurrected Comet has a problem: how could the cometary material disperse so quickly around the globe.</p><p>The most convincing idea I&#039;ve seen is actually from a Sci-Fi-ish Suspense and Political Intrigue novel, &#034;Singularity&#034; by Bill deSmedt (spelling?), proposed by a fictional scientist:  a primordial black hole. Viral marketing for the book, probably put together by (a) &#034;real&#034; scientist(s), explained it nicely, mathematics and all&#8230; but it didn&#039;t supply a mechanism by which such a &#034;tiny&#034; <b>hot</b> black hole could have survived 13.7 billion years of emitting Hawking Radiation&#8230;.</p><p>ah, well&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Torbjorn Larsson OM</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67864</link> <dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson OM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:51:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67864</guid> <description>&quot;the message really is: &quot;We still don&#039;t know&quot;&quot;I would argue the reverse. Whether these researchers theory is found to be correct or not, they have seen four correlations (in observing clouds, cloud height/type, time and distance). Either one of those tests the water content hypothesis - together they are pretty strong IMHO.I for one hail our cometary (and putative eddy) over-the-head lords.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;the message really is: &#034;We still don&#039;t know&#034;"</p><p>I would argue the reverse. Whether these researchers theory is found to be correct or not, they have seen four correlations (in observing clouds, cloud height/type, time and distance). Either one of those tests the water content hypothesis &#8211; together they are pretty strong IMHO.</p><p>I for one hail our cometary (and putative eddy) over-the-head lords.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67863</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:29:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67863</guid> <description>I reckon the message really is: &quot;We still don&#039;t know&quot;
;)btw: Tuesday coming is the 101st anniversary of the event.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon the message really is: &#034;We still don&#039;t know&#034;<br
/> <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>btw: Tuesday coming is the 101st anniversary of the event.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nexus</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67856</link> <dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:20:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67856</guid> <description>We&#039;re not talking about a comet like Halley, which is kilometers wide and has a prominent and very noticeable tail. This was a chunk of ice only a few tens of meters across- so it would have been many, many times fainter.It also struck at 7:14am, which makes it somewhat more likely to have been coming from roughly the direction of the Sun- making it even harder to spot. And Siberia is a rather sparsely populated place. It would have been a miracle id it had been spotted before it hit, I think.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#039;re not talking about a comet like Halley, which is kilometers wide and has a prominent and very noticeable tail. This was a chunk of ice only a few tens of meters across- so it would have been many, many times fainter.</p><p>It also struck at 7:14am, which makes it somewhat more likely to have been coming from roughly the direction of the Sun- making it even harder to spot. And Siberia is a rather sparsely populated place. It would have been a miracle id it had been spotted before it hit, I think.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67855</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:46:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67855</guid> <description>My main argument against this theory still is that it seems utterly impossible that tis comet could have been missed until it actually hit our atmosphere. The astronomers of the day were not primitives. A argument that may make more sense is that this was a large burned out cinder of a comet fragment that hit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main argument against this theory still is that it seems utterly impossible that tis comet could have been missed until it actually hit our atmosphere. The astronomers of the day were not primitives. A argument that may make more sense is that this was a large burned out cinder of a comet fragment that hit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pvt.Pantzov</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67851</link> <dc:creator>Pvt.Pantzov</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67851</guid> <description>seems to make sense.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to make sense.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: IVAN3MAN</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/24/1908-tunguska-event-caused-by-comet-new-research-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67848</link> <dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:42:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=33367#comment-67848</guid> <description>Err... Nancy, in the third paragraph, first line, it should be: &lt;i&gt;Noctilucent clouds are brilliant, night-visible clouds made &lt;b&gt;of&lt;/b&gt; ice particles and...&lt;/i&gt; ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err&#8230; Nancy, in the third paragraph, first line, it should be: <i>Noctilucent clouds are brilliant, night-visible clouds made <b>of</b> ice particles and&#8230;</i> <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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