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> <channel><title>Comments on: Life on Earth &#8212; and Other Worlds &#8212; Could Last Longer Than Expected</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:20:09 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Torbjorn Larsson OM</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-67494</link> <dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson OM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:10:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=32475#comment-67494</guid> <description>Hmm, I found the paper, and it is fairly optimistic about the carbon sequestering compared to me. Claims 60 bars equivalents of carbon stored, 20 % or 10 bars of which is organic.OTOH it is also optimistic on the nitrogen sequestering, simply uses a Redfield ratio on the above organic storage, and an optimistic one to boot. (6 compared to 10 on the paper I found. That is also comparable to the ratio of carbon:nitrogen fixation in soils (at PNK usage), so ~ 10 seems like a fair number.) But yes, according to these figures Earth has already stored away ~ 1 bar of nitrogen. Remains to find the evidence. :-o</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I found the paper, and it is fairly optimistic about the carbon sequestering compared to me. Claims 60 bars equivalents of carbon stored, 20 % or 10 bars of which is organic.</p><p>OTOH it is also optimistic on the nitrogen sequestering, simply uses a Redfield ratio on the above organic storage, and an optimistic one to boot. (6 compared to 10 on the paper I found. That is also comparable to the ratio of carbon:nitrogen fixation in soils (at PNK usage), so ~ 10 seems like a fair number.) But yes, according to these figures Earth has already stored away ~ 1 bar of nitrogen. Remains to find the evidence. <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Torbjorn Larsson OM</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-67493</link> <dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson OM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:46:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=32475#comment-67493</guid> <description>This is interesting for laymen, as it bears on big questions, on life&#039;s destiny but also on statistics of SETI, habitable zones et cetera.It isn&#039;t difficult to see why it is a tenuous model.OTOH it seems to be testable, at least the authors think so. And there are AFAIU indications on sequestering and release of gases in atmospheres, such as claims that Earth dense atmosphere initially were at 10 bars of mostly CO2, the probable out-gassing of enough hydrogen to make Earth go from a reducing to an oxidizing atmosphere, and the later release of 20 % oxygen. Obviously then atmospheric, geological and biological processes have transformed the atmosphere completely.So I am very curious and would be grateful for any examples from planetary history showing that nitrogen sequestering isn&#039;t feasible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting for laymen, as it bears on big questions, on life&#039;s destiny but also on statistics of SETI, habitable zones et cetera.</p><p>It isn&#039;t difficult to see why it is a tenuous model.</p><p>OTOH it seems to be testable, at least the authors think so. And there are AFAIU indications on sequestering and release of gases in atmospheres, such as claims that Earth dense atmosphere initially were at 10 bars of mostly CO2, the probable out-gassing of enough hydrogen to make Earth go from a reducing to an oxidizing atmosphere, and the later release of 20 % oxygen. Obviously then atmospheric, geological and biological processes have transformed the atmosphere completely.</p><p>So I am very curious and would be grateful for any examples from planetary history showing that nitrogen sequestering isn&#039;t feasible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lawrence B. Crowell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-67492</link> <dc:creator>Lawrence B. Crowell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:02:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=32475#comment-67492</guid> <description>There must be some sequestering mechanism for nitrogen.  Biological organisms may fix nitrogen with nitrogenase activity.  The resulting fixed nitrogen, in its low energy form as ammonia, would have to be buried by geological processes.  There appears to be a lot of complexity and unknowns here.As for the raising of the Earth&#039;s orbit, this was proposed by Korycabsky, Laughlin and Adams back in 2001.  The mechanism they propose is similar to what I found with Jupiter&#039;s nudging of the Earth.  The authors above suggested a 5000 period of nudging the Earth by pushing a comet to the inner solar system.  Jupiter lacks the highly  elliptical orbit, but it has a lot more mass.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be some sequestering mechanism for nitrogen.  Biological organisms may fix nitrogen with nitrogenase activity.  The resulting fixed nitrogen, in its low energy form as ammonia, would have to be buried by geological processes.  There appears to be a lot of complexity and unknowns here.</p><p>As for the raising of the Earth&#039;s orbit, this was proposed by Korycabsky, Laughlin and Adams back in 2001.  The mechanism they propose is similar to what I found with Jupiter&#039;s nudging of the Earth.  The authors above suggested a 5000 period of nudging the Earth by pushing a comet to the inner solar system.  Jupiter lacks the highly  elliptical orbit, but it has a lot more mass.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: simon</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-67489</link> <dc:creator>simon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=32475#comment-67489</guid> <description>I heard somewhere that it may be possible to raise the orbit of the Earth little by little over a long period of time by placing an object in an Elliptical Orbit around the earth which heads out towards the Outer Planets maybe we need to get started</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard somewhere that it may be possible to raise the orbit of the Earth little by little over a long period of time by placing an object in an Elliptical Orbit around the earth which heads out towards the Outer Planets maybe we need to get started</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/15/life-on-earth-and-other-worlds-could-last-longer-than-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-67487</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:09:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=32475#comment-67487</guid> <description>I find this conjecture &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; tenuous. I know many examples from Earth&#039;s and its neighbours&#039; history which fly in the face of it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this conjecture <b>very</b> tenuous. I know many examples from Earth&#039;s and its neighbours&#039; history which fly in the face of it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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