Comments on: Icebergs Breaking Away from Wilkins Ice Shelf http://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:54:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lawrence B. Crowellhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65626 Lawrence B. Crowell Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:43:43 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65626 I second this. I am by no means a climate scientist, but I do track reports from the real science, and the conclusions are pretty clear. Greenland ice is breaking up as more water melt flows through cracks which permit the ice to slide out to sea. These Antarctic shelf break ups are occurring several times a year, far more than in the past.Lawrence B. Crowell I second this. I am by no means a climate scientist, but I do track reports from the real science, and the conclusions are pretty clear. Greenland ice is breaking up as more water melt flows through cracks which permit the ice to slide out to sea. These Antarctic shelf break ups are occurring several times a year, far more than in the past.

Lawrence B. Crowell

]]> By: Feenixxhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65599 Feenixx Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:12:50 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65599 Not "real science", but a story of a shattered dream:In the later years of the last century, there were midsummer cruises on a Russian icebreaker to the North Pole available. It was a luxury trip, very expensive. One of the highlights: everybody stand on the ice around the Pole for a group photo. I always wanted to do the trip, but it was just too expensive.After years of dreaming of taking the trip, an unexpected well-paid job put me in the position to apply for a ticket.... alas, the cruises were discontinued. The ice had become too thin for many people safely standing on it together.A similar cruise is available again these days. The attraction: swimming in a hole in the ice on the North Pole..... :( Not "real science", but a story of a shattered dream:

In the later years of the last century, there were midsummer cruises on a Russian icebreaker to the North Pole available. It was a luxury trip, very expensive. One of the highlights: everybody stand on the ice around the Pole for a group photo. I always wanted to do the trip, but it was just too expensive.

After years of dreaming of taking the trip, an unexpected well-paid job put me in the position to apply for a ticket…. alas, the cruises were discontinued. The ice had become too thin for many people safely standing on it together.

A similar cruise is available again these days. The attraction: swimming in a hole in the ice on the North Pole…..
:(

]]> By: Mike Jacksonhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65548 Mike Jackson Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:08:41 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65548 From the article that solrey refers us to:"A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded."And: "Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica."It is unfortunate that these facts were not included in the above post, but that is how "real science" is done here. Omit the inconvenient science. From the article that solrey refers us to:

"A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded."

And: "Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica."

It is unfortunate that these facts were not included in the above post, but that is how "real science" is done here. Omit the inconvenient science.

]]> By: Anacondahttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65547 Anaconda Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:04:12 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65547 @ Lawrence B. Crowell:Sorry, your statement is false.MYTHTHE POLAR CAPS ARE MELTINGWrong. The British Antarctic Survey, working with NASA, last week confirmed ice around Antarctica has grown 100,000 sq km each decade for the past 30 years.Long-term monitoring by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports the same: southern hemisphere ice has been expanding for decades.As for the Arctic, wrong again.The Arctic ice cap shrank badly two summers ago after years of steady decline, but has since largely recovered. Satellite data from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre this week shows the Arctic hasn't had this much April ice for at least seven years.Norway's Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Centre says the ice is now within the standard deviation range for 1979 to 2007.See, <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25401759-5000117,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, for details and links to back up above. @ Lawrence B. Crowell:

Sorry, your statement is false.

MYTH

THE POLAR CAPS ARE MELTING

Wrong. The British Antarctic Survey, working with NASA, last week confirmed ice around Antarctica has grown 100,000 sq km each decade for the past 30 years.

Long-term monitoring by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports the same: southern hemisphere ice has been expanding for decades.

As for the Arctic, wrong again.

The Arctic ice cap shrank badly two summers ago after years of steady decline, but has since largely recovered. Satellite data from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre this week shows the Arctic hasn't had this much April ice for at least seven years.

Norway's Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Centre says the ice is now within the standard deviation range for 1979 to 2007.

See, here, for details and links to back up above.

]]> By: Lawrence B. Crowellhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65533 Lawrence B. Crowell Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:06:44 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65533 Pseudoscience knows no bounds. Wong, the breakup of Antarctic and Greenland icesheets has accelerated incredibly this last decade. It seems that error in thinking about cosmology extends to Earth science as well.Lawrence B. Crowell Pseudoscience knows no bounds. Wong, the breakup of Antarctic and Greenland icesheets has accelerated incredibly this last decade. It seems that error in thinking about cosmology extends to Earth science as well.

Lawrence B. Crowell

]]> By: solreyhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65427 solrey Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:10:20 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65427 Instead of "The majority of the ice loss..." should be "The majority of any ice that has been lost..." :) Instead of "The majority of the ice loss…" should be "The majority of any ice that has been lost…"
:)

]]> By: solreyhttp://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65426 solrey Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:08:01 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65426 The Wilkins ice shelf breaks up and reforms with some regularity due to it's location on the western side of the peninsula, which is only a small portion of the total landmass of the continent. Antarctic ice is actually growing overall. The majority of the ice loss has been around the peninsula, which reaches out into open water towards the equator, creating a relatively narrow channel between the tip of South America. That stretch of ocean is well known for powerful storms and strong ocean currents. So the ice shelves calve off sometimes as a result. That's why it's called calving, because it's ice breaking up due to the motion of the water underneath, not melting from warmer temps. This is just another misleading exaggeration stoking the Anthropogenic Climate Change fearmongering flames.http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25349683-11949,00.html The Wilkins ice shelf breaks up and reforms with some regularity due to it's location on the western side of the peninsula, which is only a small portion of the total landmass of the continent. Antarctic ice is actually growing overall. The majority of the ice loss has been around the peninsula, which reaches out into open water towards the equator, creating a relatively narrow channel between the tip of South America. That stretch of ocean is well known for powerful storms and strong ocean currents. So the ice shelves calve off sometimes as a result. That's why it's called calving, because it's ice breaking up due to the motion of the water underneath, not melting from warmer temps. This is just another misleading exaggeration stoking the Anthropogenic Climate Change fearmongering flames.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25349683-11949,00.html

]]> By: Duckman77http://www.universetoday.com/2009/04/28/icebergs-breaking-away-from-wilkins-ice-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-65419 Duckman77 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:02:04 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=30059#comment-65419 Off topic: Anyone else noticed the striking similarities to the contours of western Europe?Just for fun I superimposed the satellite photo onto a map of Europe and ..... amazing! Charcot Island resembles Ireland. Although the tunnel (ice bridge) is/was there England and Schotland seem to be missing. Holland is about right, but the top islands seem to have moved upwards. Denmark is in place and so is the western part of France. Off topic: Anyone else noticed the striking similarities to the contours of western Europe?

Just for fun I superimposed the satellite photo onto a map of Europe and ….. amazing! Charcot Island resembles Ireland. Although the tunnel (ice bridge) is/was there England and Schotland seem to be missing. Holland is about right, but the top islands seem to have moved upwards. Denmark is in place and so is the western part of France.

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