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> <channel><title>Comments on: Close Call: Astronauts Evacuate But Space Station Avoids Debris Hit</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:15:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: alex drew</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-2/#comment-60863</link> <dc:creator>alex drew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:24:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-60863</guid> <description>And also dollhopf i love the way you put things. you are a true soldier to the space community. you brighten me up with your words of wisdom about space:) i love you man</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also dollhopf i love the way you put things. you are a true soldier to the space community. you brighten me up with your words of wisdom about space:) i love you man</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alex drew</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-60469</link> <dc:creator>alex drew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-60469</guid> <description>And Aodhhan STFU you are so full of it. i cannot believe what you are saying. its really not fair man and it upsets me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Aodhhan STFU you are so full of it. i cannot believe what you are saying. its really not fair man and it upsets me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alex drew</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-60468</link> <dc:creator>alex drew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-60468</guid> <description>i am alex. my favourite passtime is playing WOW. i am a level 75. i have ram and gigabytes to l33t h4x0rs and pwn you nubs. i like baseball and juicy tomatos.
thank you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am alex. my favourite passtime is playing WOW. i am a level 75. i have ram and gigabytes to l33t h4&#215;0rs and pwn you nubs. i like baseball and juicy tomatos.<br
/> thank you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dollhopf</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58703</link> <dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58703</guid> <description>Countermeasures could be hardened Soyuzes or an armoured bunker attached with the ISS to house the docking ships. The latter would be the world&#039;s first extramundane parking garage.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countermeasures could be hardened Soyuzes or an armoured bunker attached with the ISS to house the docking ships. The latter would be the world&#039;s first extramundane parking garage.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RetardedFishFrog</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58518</link> <dc:creator>RetardedFishFrog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:26:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58518</guid> <description>Imagine if they lock down all the modules, hunker down in the Soyuz, and then the space junk takes out the capsule they&#039;re hiding in.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if they lock down all the modules, hunker down in the Soyuz, and then the space junk takes out the capsule they&#039;re hiding in.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aqua</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58265</link> <dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58265</guid> <description>Okay, so now we have to come up with a plan for de-orbiting space junk.The only thing I can come up with would be to use ground based particle beams to knock objects out of orbit. THAT action would solve one problem but cause another with existing  ASAT treaty&#039;s... But given the high cost a possible collision could incur  perhaps space fairing nations need to take another look at those agreements?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so now we have to come up with a plan for de-orbiting space junk.</p><p>The only thing I can come up with would be to use ground based particle beams to knock objects out of orbit. THAT action would solve one problem but cause another with existing  ASAT treaty&#039;s&#8230; But given the high cost a possible collision could incur  perhaps space fairing nations need to take another look at those agreements?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: M.V. Squared</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58264</link> <dc:creator>M.V. Squared</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58264</guid> <description>For 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of material moving at 35 400 kilometres per hour (20000 mph), the kinetic energy involved is 4834700 Joules or about 11.5 kilograms of TNT! For comparison, a car weighing 1814 kg (4000 lbs) moving with that same amount of kinetic energy is equal to the car moving at 270 km per hour or 163 miles per hour when it hits something. I.e. A person, let alone the IIS, would be a bit of a mess</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of material moving at 35 400 kilometres per hour (20000 mph), the kinetic energy involved is 4834700 Joules or about 11.5 kilograms of TNT! For comparison, a car weighing 1814 kg (4000 lbs) moving with that same amount of kinetic energy is equal to the car moving at 270 km per hour or 163 miles per hour when it hits something. I.e. A person, let alone the IIS, would be a bit of a mess</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LaF</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58256</link> <dc:creator>LaF</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58256</guid> <description>Hi,
Is there a way to detect those incomming junk from the ISS itself ? Radar, Video survey ? or are they too fast to have time to astronaut be in safety place ?
@+</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br
/> Is there a way to detect those incomming junk from the ISS itself ? Radar, Video survey ? or are they too fast to have time to astronaut be in safety place ?<br
/> @+</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aodhhan</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58247</link> <dc:creator>Aodhhan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58247</guid> <description>Sorry, that is 22,000mph.For those wondering why the ISS wasn&#039;t just moved...
..not enough time to figure out another orbit. Would be pretty silly to move the ISS half-hazardly to another location which would put it in more danger.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that is 22,000mph.</p><p>For those wondering why the ISS wasn&#039;t just moved&#8230;<br
/> ..not enough time to figure out another orbit. Would be pretty silly to move the ISS half-hazardly to another location which would put it in more danger.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58220</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58220</guid> <description>Aodhhan Says:
&quot;...with a closing speed at the possible conjunction site of 22,000 relative to the ISS.&quot;is that in km/h?
If so, those 4.5 km translate into a gap of about two thirds of a second wide... if distances can be measured in seconds.... well, you know what I mean, &quot;space junk seconds&quot;, conceptually similar to &quot;light years&quot; for measuring distances...scary thought - no human can see anything that small, travelling at such a speed, coming at them!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aodhhan Says:<br
/> &#034;&#8230;with a closing speed at the possible conjunction site of 22,000 relative to the ISS.&#034;</p><p>is that in km/h?<br
/> If so, those 4.5 km translate into a gap of about two thirds of a second wide&#8230; if distances can be measured in seconds&#8230;. well, you know what I mean, &#034;space junk seconds&#034;, conceptually similar to &#034;light years&#034; for measuring distances&#8230;</p><p>scary thought &#8211; no human can see anything that small, travelling at such a speed, coming at them!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aodhhan</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58213</link> <dc:creator>Aodhhan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:24:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58213</guid> <description>Don&#039;t know where the 1cm measurement came from.... this has been known to be about 5 inches, with a closing speed at the possible conjunction site of 22,000 relative to the ISS.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t know where the 1cm measurement came from&#8230;. this has been known to be about 5 inches, with a closing speed at the possible conjunction site of 22,000 relative to the ISS.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jon</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58207</link> <dc:creator>jon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:33:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58207</guid> <description>Mang is correct NASA cannot detect anything below 10cm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mang is correct NASA cannot detect anything below 10cm</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rpdelgado</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58204</link> <dc:creator>rpdelgado</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:06:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58204</guid> <description>Hi all.How will NASA and other space agencies solve this space debris problem. Its is becoming a bigger and bigger problem.Do they eventually, it time, enter earth&#039;s atmosphere ? Are we producing more space debris that those falling into earth&#039;s atmosphere ?I guess this can only get worst !</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.</p><p>How will NASA and other space agencies solve this space debris problem. Its is becoming a bigger and bigger problem.</p><p>Do they eventually, it time, enter earth&#039;s atmosphere ? Are we producing more space debris that those falling into earth&#039;s atmosphere ?</p><p>I guess this can only get worst !</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Salacious B. Crumb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58174</link> <dc:creator>Salacious B. Crumb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:43:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58174</guid> <description>... and of course it is still OK if pieces are to be dropped or lost from ISS in the first place!
What is now coming the No.1 priority for the ISS is literally &quot;Duck and cover&quot;  All this story shows is NASA and the other space agencies are all very hypocritical if you ask me.Do we REALLY need to have to wait until we see unrecoverable dead cosmonauts or astronauts in orbit before anything is actually done?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and of course it is still OK if pieces are to be dropped or lost from ISS in the first place!<br
/> What is now coming the No.1 priority for the ISS is literally &#034;Duck and cover&#034;  All this story shows is NASA and the other space agencies are all very hypocritical if you ask me.</p><p>Do we REALLY need to have to wait until we see unrecoverable dead cosmonauts or astronauts in orbit before anything is actually done?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mang</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58128</link> <dc:creator>Mang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:54:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58128</guid> <description>A few observations:1. I didn&#039;t think they could track 1 cm objects and the mass doesn&#039;t match (wait where/when did the update show up). So I guess I was right about that.2. It&#039;s clear that different organizations have different tolerance with respect to close calls.  Obviously you need to be more diligent with lives directly on the line.  If I recall, the Cosmos/Iridium mashup was expected to be a close call at about 600m - far less than this one - and far more massive.  I also recall that it was reported that that prediction wasn&#039;t even in the top 10 for the day.  Unless these were misreported or my memory is in error then there is a big disconnect in risk tolerance.  A gap that shouldn&#039;t be acceptable given that the debris from an unmanned collision could end up being a threat to a manned mission.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few observations:</p><p>1. I didn&#039;t think they could track 1 cm objects and the mass doesn&#039;t match (wait where/when did the update show up). So I guess I was right about that.</p><p>2. It&#039;s clear that different organizations have different tolerance with respect to close calls.  Obviously you need to be more diligent with lives directly on the line.  If I recall, the Cosmos/Iridium mashup was expected to be a close call at about 600m &#8211; far less than this one &#8211; and far more massive.  I also recall that it was reported that that prediction wasn&#039;t even in the top 10 for the day.  Unless these were misreported or my memory is in error then there is a big disconnect in risk tolerance.  A gap that shouldn&#039;t be acceptable given that the debris from an unmanned collision could end up being a threat to a manned mission.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frank Glover</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58127</link> <dc:creator>Frank Glover</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58127</guid> <description>Anything blown outside would tend to be loose personal stuff. Papers, pens/pencils, utensils, etc. And it would tend to stay in much the same orbit as ISS, this isn&#039;t the kind of violent ejection of particles we saw in the collision last month, or from an ASAT explosion.The venting could well act as a nozzle, but remember that ISS is a fairly massive object and only one module may depressurize. It might upset solar array and antenna tracking for a time (not a good thing in itself), but it&#039;s not enough for any wild gyrations and definitely not sufficent to de-orbit the complex.As for the idea that you might be &#039;killed instantly,&#039; that&#039;s only if your body happened to be in the path of the penetrating debris. Your more likely problem, not unlike flooding compartments on a ship/submarine, is to get out of, and seal off that section before losing consciousness...We can take some of the lessons of the Progress/Mir collision as a guide, here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything blown outside would tend to be loose personal stuff. Papers, pens/pencils, utensils, etc. And it would tend to stay in much the same orbit as ISS, this isn&#039;t the kind of violent ejection of particles we saw in the collision last month, or from an ASAT explosion.</p><p>The venting could well act as a nozzle, but remember that ISS is a fairly massive object and only one module may depressurize. It might upset solar array and antenna tracking for a time (not a good thing in itself), but it&#039;s not enough for any wild gyrations and definitely not sufficent to de-orbit the complex.</p><p>As for the idea that you might be &#039;killed instantly,&#039; that&#039;s only if your body happened to be in the path of the penetrating debris. Your more likely problem, not unlike flooding compartments on a ship/submarine, is to get out of, and seal off that section before losing consciousness&#8230;</p><p>We can take some of the lessons of the Progress/Mir collision as a guide, here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dollhopf</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58094</link> <dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:47:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58094</guid> <description>I wonder what all the consequences are if the ISS got hit.If the station would be depressurized very fast through a medium-sized hole then a lot of stuff should be blown through the gap, resulting in a new cascade of space debris outside.Maybe the emersion point itself would operate like a nozzle, giving the ISS some thrust and in consequence disturbing the orientation of the whole complex, making the station gyrate or even leave the orbit?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what all the consequences are if the ISS got hit.</p><p>If the station would be depressurized very fast through a medium-sized hole then a lot of stuff should be blown through the gap, resulting in a new cascade of space debris outside.</p><p>Maybe the emersion point itself would operate like a nozzle, giving the ISS some thrust and in consequence disturbing the orientation of the whole complex, making the station gyrate or even leave the orbit?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manu</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58087</link> <dc:creator>Manu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58087</guid> <description>Although the wording is factually correct, I expect a 1cm object to be MUCH less than 1 kg!
A 1cm cube weighing 1 kg would have a density 1000 times that of water, so it&#039;s probably more around 1 g.
Unless it was a piece of a secret satellite gravity drive including a small black hole!More seriously, hasn&#039;t this already happened before?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the wording is factually correct, I expect a 1cm object to be MUCH less than 1 kg!<br
/> A 1cm cube weighing 1 kg would have a density 1000 times that of water, so it&#039;s probably more around 1 g.<br
/> Unless it was a piece of a secret satellite gravity drive including a small black hole!</p><p>More seriously, hasn&#039;t this already happened before?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vegar, Norway</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58085</link> <dc:creator>Vegar, Norway</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58085</guid> <description>Whew! I&#039;m glad it missed!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew! I&#039;m glad it missed!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58084</link> <dc:creator>John</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58084</guid> <description>Picture a 1cm chunk of metal orbiting the earth at the same altitude as the ISS.  In order to stay at that orbit, it has to be flying at 17500 mph.  Now, if it is traveling in the same orbit as the ISS, there would be no issue, because they would be stationary with respect to each other.  But as soon as their respective vectors start to diverge, their speed when they intersect will quickly rise.  If they were to meet while traveling in complete opposition to one another, their combined speeds would push the apparent impact velocity to 35000 mph.Once you realize that, just picture *anything* 1 cm in size traveling at that speed hitting you.  You&#039;d never realize you&#039;d been hit, because you&#039;d be dead, instantly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picture a 1cm chunk of metal orbiting the earth at the same altitude as the ISS.  In order to stay at that orbit, it has to be flying at 17500 mph.  Now, if it is traveling in the same orbit as the ISS, there would be no issue, because they would be stationary with respect to each other.  But as soon as their respective vectors start to diverge, their speed when they intersect will quickly rise.  If they were to meet while traveling in complete opposition to one another, their combined speeds would push the apparent impact velocity to 35000 mph.</p><p>Once you realize that, just picture *anything* 1 cm in size traveling at that speed hitting you.  You&#039;d never realize you&#039;d been hit, because you&#039;d be dead, instantly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arcturus</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/03/12/close-call-astronauts-evacuate-but-space-station-avoids-debris-hit/comment-page-1/#comment-58082</link> <dc:creator>Arcturus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:57:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=26958#comment-58082</guid> <description>A 1cm piece caused all this concern?? How did they detect it anyway?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 1cm piece caused all this concern?? How did they detect it anyway?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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