Comments on: Repaired too Late? Tevatron May Beat LHC in Hunt for Higgs Boson

By: Horselover_Fat

Horselover_Fat — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:29:26 +0000

It would seem logical to me, if any particle is deemed important enough to be called the 'God particle', that its existence would so ubiquitous as to be MORE obvious than the nose on your face.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:11:19 +0000

Isn't the Higgs necessary because it's the particle that gives 'mass' to all the other particles?

By: Sceptical

Sceptical — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:47:48 +0000

May the particle scientists have painted themselves into a corner?

The physicists have become so fond of the Standard Model that the Higgs boson just 'has to' exist. 6 kinds of quarks and the strong and the weak nuclear force are taken for granted, even though none of them have been unambiguously or directly detected.

Is it about time to give new thoughts a chance? Maybe take a look at some of the 'crackpot'-ideas, even if just to realize that is possible to think differently…

E.g. http://classicalatom.blogspot.com

By: Nohig

Nohig — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:06:04 +0000

Let' assume Higgs is not found between 114 and 184 GeV and therefore does not exist. Does that mean the standard model is flawed? Why is the Higgs fundamentally necessary? If Higgs does not exist, what is an alternative solution?

By: Chris Coles

Chris Coles — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:28:29 +0000

No particle has any mass and there is no Higgs Boson so neither will succeed.

By: Astrofiend

Astrofiend — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:28:55 +0000

Meh – Even if Fermilab do discover the Higgs, it'll be by the barest of margins. And they simply don;t have the energy to produce them in significant enough numbers to really be able to say much about them or go beyond them at all. LHC will be (assuming they actually exist) a frickin' Higgs producing machine! Hopefully it will go beyond that though and start to show us where the Standard Model is wrong, and suggest what directions to start looking in to fix it.

P.S
msuper Says:
February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

msuper – if your theory was any good, you wouldn't need to advertise a website spruiking it on a different popular website comments page. You'd have it in a reputable journal. My god – can't we somehow ban any strong with 'www' in it, or concatenated words such as 'superrelativity' or anything with a .org or a .com?

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:09:42 +0000

I know, Manu.

And it is fun to see how the scientific slave drivers do lash out at their staffs to have their own career crowned by the Nobel Price.

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:00:08 +0000

Damn, Steve! You're okay?

A German proverb says that Konkurrenz belebt das Geschäft, meaning something like competition is good for trade. We should have much more of such rivalries.

By: Manu

Manu — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:52:00 +0000

@dollhopf :

ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) is, well, an international project.
So far, members are EU, US, Canada, Japan, China, South-Korea and Russia.
More might join later, hopefully.

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:41:42 +0000

"We're not racing CERN," said Fermilab Director, Pier Oddone.

When I read that I almost choked from laughing while I was eating my lunch.

By: Sili

Sili — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:34:35 +0000

Good luck to Fermilab!

A last big success for the Teva might just be the kicker to get funding for the ILC.

I don't mind if the LHC won't find the first Higgs. There's bound to be more there.

And even if there isn't, we *have* to look to know that.

So, yes, even if it doesn't find *anything* new, the LHC will have been a success.

By: msuper

msuper — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:06:22 +0000

There is a new Theory of Everything Breakthrough please see: Theory of Super Relativity at http:\\www.superrelativity.org

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:22:21 +0000

Oogly Says:
February 18th, 2009 at 5:23 am

"Finding Higgs is like offshoring production and jobs"

I do understand that you are afraid of this and that. But does your anxiety make you superior to the managers of scientific undertakings that strive for ultimate knowledge? Your utterances rather remind one on the sounds that the legs of cockroaches produce.

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:04:05 +0000

mege ? mega (maybe? … whatever)

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:03:16 +0000

ITER is another one of these European mege projects.

By: dollhopf

dollhopf — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:59:25 +0000

The political elite of the European Community indeed propagated the goal to get ahead of the U.S. a few years ago, meaning that the already enforced process of integration of the several dozens of nations of Europe would show concrete economical results. Indeed, there was a ten-year plan to become THE global leader! But the plan failed, as everyone can see today. I don't know whether the funding of the LHC was influenced by that program. A success could only have been of symbolic value.

By: jason s

jason s — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:13:18 +0000

GO Fermilab!!

By: Oogly

Oogly — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:23:45 +0000

Finding Higgs is like offshoring production and jobs: short term gain for a very few, long term loss for the very many. Far better to not find it! Far better to find a whole bunch of "weird" results to feed the theorists' need for screed.

By: Ian O'Neill

Ian O'Neill — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:23:57 +0000

Tevaron??? Which idiot would write– ah, yes, I see what you mean. My bad, corrected now. Need to lay off the coffee I think Cheers! Ian

By: Sci-Fi Si

Sci-Fi Si — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:50:07 +0000

Is it Tevaron or Tevatron??

By: Feenixx

Feenixx — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:47:56 +0000

oops..,..
for "be prove" read "prove"

By: Feenixx

Feenixx — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:44:50 +0000

Conspiracy theory:
If Fermilab "get there" first, it'll be prove that they sabotaged the LHC, because: Fermilab supplied the LHC magnet which overheated…..

By: robbi

robbi — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:57:37 +0000

When I first glanced at the pic while multi-tasking with the other 2 'puters, I thought it was a picture of an 'astrology wheel' with a 'person' with a 'green outfit' getting ready to spin the wheel,Lol. Then I really looked, I said this is 'old thing' is still viable, the more I looked, the more I'm impressed. If the Higgs boson is discovered by the Tevatron, then the LHC will make refinements. What a complex work of art/science!!!!!