February 10th, 2009
The Journey of Space Exploration: Ex-Astronaut Views on NASA
Written by Ian O'Neill
Filed under: NASA, Physics, Space Exploration
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February 10th, 2009 at 3:37 am
What these astronauts, the politicians, and even NASA really don't understand is that the public supports 'manned' space flight not because we want only 'an elite few' to explore space. People support manned space flight because they view astronauts as 'pioneers' whose heroism will eventually lead towards the permanent expansion of the human species off the surface of the planet Earth.
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky said it best: "Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever."
And we're ready to go! That's why NASA needs to prioritize:
1.Designing reusable space craft that will give humans easy access to orbit
2. Establishing a permanent human presence on the surface of the Moon
3. Establishing a permanent human presence on the surface of Mars
4. Developing large rotating space stations with simulated gravity to establish a permanent human presence in Earth orbit and around the sun and around the other planets in our solar system.
Unfortunately, in the 40 years since the landing on the Moon, NASA has not done any of the things needed to expand humanity into the rest of the solar system. Instead, we've focused on the International Space Station, a glorified version of Mir or Skylab which really tells us nothing new about humanity's ability to live permanently in the New Frontier.
Marcel F. Williams
February 10th, 2009 at 4:34 am
"People support manned space flight because they view astronauts as 'pioneers' whose heroism will eventually lead towards the permanent expansion of the human species off the surface of the planet Earth."
I agree completely with this, people love pioneers.
I was very sad to discover that any goal setting towards the Moon was stopped by some stupid low earth orbits.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:08 am
"If NASA starts pulling back on endeavours in space,…………………..we may never fully realise our potential as a race, and many of the problems here on Earth will never be solved…"
Well said Ian.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:23 am
And the US call themselves a democracy… but most people of this big country don't like the war, but they do it. Most people of this nation dream to explore, to grow up toward the universe, bou't they don't… somebody can explain me that concept of democracy?
February 10th, 2009 at 5:57 am
"somebody can explain me that concept of democracy?"
We vote on the leadership, not every detail of its policy. Every president since washington has brung his wars, his favors, his perceptions, and his personal agenda into the job.
The party system just makes it all the more complicated.
Aside from that tho:
Alot of folks trying to sell the global warming agenda seem to want the NASA seal of approval for the theory more than an agency designed to meet the problem.
Its hypocritical to accuse an administration dedicated to vehicle research for having lost its way and, in the same breath, say they should be curing cancer or fighting global warming with that money.
I think we have multiple objectives (cheap spaceflight, rlv's, lunar missions, robotic exploration of planets) that can all happen simultaniously.
Make it happen.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:43 am
It looks as though there are a lot of people with a lot to say about this.
Whomever compiled this report doesn't seem to realise what the space program has done for the environment, medicine, technology and the future prospects for mankind.
Yes, spending billions when there are so many starving is a waste. However rocketing property prices, the worship of money fuled by selfishness and greed are the root causes of poverty in this world.
The space program needs tightening up – A lot, but innovation and progressive solutions are what are called for.
Hows this for a suggestion – Stop spending billions of killing people and destroying families American and otherwise and start considering focusing on providing people with hope, education and the spirit of mutual co-operation.
America is not the only country that exists. The Universe it's actually quite a big place…. Sorry I feel a major rant coming on so I'll stop now before I grab my microphone and soap box and start really shouting at people.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:01 am
We need to learn more about the universe and move into space. This is a long term goal. Support the "science" end of NASA and the rest will follow.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:04 am
I am merely speculating now………….. call me a dreamer, if you wish, but please, refrain from abuse. I won't become offended.
1) Encourage accelerated development for the missing link in the technology to make the Space Elevator happen: the (probably CNT) material for the tether – at a fraction of the cost of any manned mission and interplanetary manned craft.
2) Spend the balance on environmental repairs and protective work
3) Build the first one of many Space Elevators, roll up your sleeves, and say "now the Space Exploration Age REALLY is about to start."
4) Then, launch many missions to the Moon and beyond, at a minute fraction of what it would cost with large rockets.
5) Repeat step 2 many times…….
Like I said: I'm dreaming – but I HAVE double-checked most of the calculations for The Elevator, using physics simulations in my 3D animation software I use on the job. I work in Visual Effects Engineering for movies….
I reckon the SE will solve many logistics and funding problems – among others, it will cut the Military out of the equation: the military has no use for such a large easy target.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
The United States of America hasn't just lost its way, it has lost its balls.
Hope you all enjoy speaking Chinese.
February 10th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Is it easier to go to the moon or to save the world?
[just joking]
And what if NASA is also underfunded, mismanaged and falling short of its promises while saving the world?
[just more joking]
Let the world save by an organisation that is not even able to reach the moon?
[enough now]
February 10th, 2009 at 8:55 am
"Hows this for a suggestion – Stop spending billions of killing people and destroying families American and otherwise and start considering focusing on providing people with hope, education and the spirit of mutual co-operation."
What a crazy idea!!!
February 10th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Frankly, it depends on the 'vision'.
What do we want to get out of space exploration? As to manned space flight, what will be gained? I'm not saying there isn't something to be gained by manned space flight, but we need to be specific about the goals.
"Wouldn't be 'nice' to have Man in space," won't cut it anymore.
As far as the subjects of study, knowledge of near-space has the greatest utility for Man, but the greatest 'wonder' is always in pushing back the horizon of Man's understanding and that requires looking farther into space.
Making more detailed observations & measurements of the outer solar system would be the first step and the second step would be getting probes beyond the heliopause that can relay data back to Earth.
Does manned space flight further those goals?
Perhaps, that is "where the rubber meets the road."
February 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
If you don't think we should go into space, get your head out from the sand. We need to go to space ourselves, because:
A) It's there.
B) for every dollar spent on space exploration. 8 are returned to economy.
C) Dino's weren't inter planetary.
D) It's a proven fact, in periods of little or no exploration, the worlds culture, the amount of scientific breakthroughs, and the economic situation decline. While violence, and poverty increase. In short, we stop exploring and colonizing, our civilization will eventually die.
Yes, it is expensive. as was the early exploration of the new world. yes it will also be dangerous. as was the exploration of the Americas. But we MADE a lot of money in the long run. And look the most culturally diverse country in the WORLD is in the new world.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Timmy: You got it in a few words. We no longer have "The Right Stuff". Our "stuff" has all withered away and fallen off. With all this "Pull Back BS, one thing's for certain; this age will not go down as another Heroic Age.
Beowuf2700: Also got it right. Anyone who feels we humans don't, ourselves, have to go into space ,has lost all sense of adventure. Exploration, dangerous and dirty and expensive as it is, is what makes us *Human*. Turn your back on that and you give up your right to exist as a species. In such a case an "Extinction Level Event" might be the best thing for us. And have no doubt, if we stay confined to this mud ball, it *will* come…
February 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
A pullout from manned space exploration by Nasa should not be conducted without involvement of international partners.
If NASA is effectively withdrawn from human spaceflight by its new government then this will lead to the annihilation of knowledge and skill.
We all were so astonished when we found out that despite NASA was already on the moon it is not possible for her today to even build a Saturn V again. Knowledge and skill were lost forever!
Similar losses will happen on a bigger scale again. "Most of the veteran spacecraft builders will be retired by 2020. The youngest person to walk on the moon, Harrison Schmidt, will be 85 and the first man to walk on the moon, Neil Armstrong, will be 90." (Obama Pits Human Space Exploration Against Education, wired science)
We say so easily that the knowledge of mankind does double within maybe six, five, three years. But this is not ensured automatically. Accumulated knowledge can fall behind likewise. OUR CIVILIZATION AND CULTURE MIGHT POSSIBLY DECLINE! Due to wrong decissions of the responsible politicians.
If the U.S. retreats from human space flight then it has the fecking responsibility to grant the whole world access to the endangered knowlegde achived. America sucked skilled workforce and riches from the whole world to attain its abilities in space travel (e.g., Wernher von Braun was no American, like all the others that contributed to Americas success in space).
The U.S. can't simply retreat and led all the achieved knowledge rotten! This would be high treason.
Human mankind must be able to continue without further delay also without America! America can either lead or otherwise … retreat with dignity!
February 10th, 2009 at 11:16 am
The NASA will continue to launch unmanned scientific and exploratory missions indefinitely. Manned operations are at best expensive prestige projects, which clearly cannot be sustained without multilateral and/or international support and funding.
Two events could accelerate manned space exploration: 1) a global war fought partially in or around space; 2) a radical policy shift towards internationalism centered around a great power alliance / rivalry system.
February 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Mr. Bill claims that manned operations are at best expensive prestige projects.
Dear Sir,
that is not true! Remember STS-61 – repair mission e.g. – which is only one of many entry points from which the world community can blow your fecking argument into little bits.
Do only retreat from manned spaceflight after payment! Otherwise ….
February 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
In the past manned operations have been useful for conducting repairs upon unmanned observatory and scientific equipment in orbit. I would not challenge that.
February 10th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
You do not say!
February 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I'm getting tired of the whining about science "why should we spend 5 billion on the LHC when we could be trying to cure cancer"…MORONS! There is already a world wide, well funded effort to try to cure cancer!
And don't even get me started on how freakin much is being spent on "global warming".
I'm disgusted, utterly.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Time for a revolution, Emission Nebula.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Amen. Bring on the Star Trek protocol for human endeavor.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
And another thing, has anyone else read in the lastest issue of Nature, that they have to choose between Titan or Europa for their next big outer planet mission?
Thats horrible. I know these missions aint cheap, but come on! We should be able to do both around the same times.
Get it together NASA!
February 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
"…recommending that NASA should give up its quest for returning to the Moon and focus more on environmental and energy projects."
Even if I accept that (and I don't), how are those things the explicit job of an aerospace research and development agency? Isn't that what we have an Environmental Protection Agency and a Department of Energy for?
February 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
So let me get this straight, a bunch of former astronauts who fought tooth and nail to be chosen to go to space are now working to say that it just isn't worth it anymore?
February 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Climate change – downgraded from the more ludicrous 'global warming' is none of NASA's concern. Its like the Amazonian shaman threatening his tribe with drought if they don't give him a bigger hut – only now its carbon taxes not a bigger hut. How's NASA going to protect us from a volcano going off?
We really need to keep pushing for human colonization of space as we are obviously facing overpopulation. Instead of draconian policies and culling the human population into more manageable numbers, we should be using technology and innovation to solve our problems. In fact, policy always fails, innovation always prevails and the only reason we are having this argument is because the unimaginative dinosaurs that hold 90% of the world's resources would much rather cull us!
February 11th, 2009 at 2:08 am
The LHC is an example of 'basic research', or enquirey led research. The aim is to answer questions rather than to find solutions to practical problems. However such research programmes consistently produce new technologies that provide solutions to practical problems in totally unexpected ways.
If in 1895 Wilhelm Röntgen had been given a research grant to find better ways of locating schrapnel in battlefield wounds he might have produced some nice new metal probes or investigated magnets. He would not have discovered X-rays!
Applied research has it's place, and its a vitally important place too but it must not be permitted to replace basic research. It has to be both, not either or!
February 11th, 2009 at 5:34 am
"We really need to keep pushing for human colonization of space as we are obviously facing overpopulation."
I tend to think that the concepts of "global overpopulation" and "global warming" have the same origin and that both stem from the same interest group. They propagandize man-made apocalypse, actually combining the biblical message that "the thoughts of man's heart are evil from his earliest days" with mathematical models. Both are "doomsday theories" and doctrines of salvation, playing with feelings of fear and imminence, thus can motivate the people to reshape their preferences.
Could it be due to the cultural background that lets green theories always emerge in countries with a Christian heritage?
NASA is expected to become a tool of "salvation" in the hands of do-gooders.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:09 am
They the should a new agency for the issue of global-warming.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Man is the eternal seeker. When we stop exploring, we are finished as a species. Let the shortsighted worry about the planet, but do not give up on the quest for space. Although earth will always be our home, our future lies in the stars.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I think this is a case for age. For example the young are more liberal and the older are somewhat more conservative. Ask our current astronauts what they think? You know the ones who risk their lives on missions that are happening in this century
February 11th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
@Emission Nebula – Chill you're not alone with your frustration over the Global Warming hype. We need money and resources to be spent on pure science. Also we need money and resources to be directed towards making humans a multi-planet (i.e. able to survive extinction events) species.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
"Ask our current astronauts what they think"
None of them ever got beyond LEO. The moon experience exclusively belongs to the "more conservative".
February 11th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
"A geat Big scam"
This is so true
February 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
So why do nations waste money exploring space when we have all these problems at home?
That is a question I am asked quite often and, as an amateur astonomer, I give an answer that does not react to the situation. Look at all the countries that have not explored space verses those that do. The standard of living in those that do buries those that don't.
Yet that answer really is not one I give to the public when I give talks. I start out like this: What did astronomy do for the world? What is it that is right in front of us that has importance and relevance?
Withut astronomy there would be no spectroscopy. Without spectroscopy the elements cannot be detected and medicine, biology, biochemistry and chemistry all don't exist. Particle physics could be argued to have its first evidence from it. It tells us, through the doppler effect if something is headed toward us that might endanger our existence.
Like your eyeglasses? It was an astronomer, Johannes Kepler, who derived correctly how the human eye functions to focus images on the retina. Past that the exploration of optics was being questioned since it seemed to go no further. Young's 2 slit experiment seemed meaningless to many who questioned with a "so what?" when the duality of the quantum world was revealed. But now, thanks to that knowledge, science realized that there are slits between atoms that, with X-rays, can reveal the internal structure of steel and see it how it can start to fracture prematurely, sending warnings that bridges need to be looked at more closely. Minneapolis anyone? Movies are now produced with X-rays that use particle accelerators and undulators to generate X-rays that show cells being invaded by viruses and give great details for testing new drugs can be applied with less side effects. Insides of fuel injectors during live action of runnning diesel engines have revealed faults that are now being remedied to produce greater fuel efficiency with less pollutants. A new diesel fuel is coming out from just such research that does not have the noxious carcinogens. So cancer is being researched with fundamental tools passed down from exporing the stars. Bullet proof vests come from those labs as well along with newer synthetics that are more durable. Without Kepler's and Young's and others' curiosity for the unknown where would we be right now? Maxwell was told his equations were meaningless and his invention of the color photograph was a waste of exploration that had no application to life. It is a good thing Marcone ignored such inputs.
Relativity was thought to be a wasted venture.
Radio dispatch to moving vehicles does not exist without Einstein's special relativity revealing that EM waves are measured the same to all uniform motions. The police refused to believe Einstein and, when pursuing Capone in squad cars, they would get out of their vehicles to call dispatch from a phone booth, something at rest with repspect to dispatch. Many feared then that the momentum of EM waves would differ for vehicles approaching one another to those receding from one another. They feared that signals would be as distorted as an ocean wave slamming into a wall. It wasn't until 1927 when the LAPD decided to find out if Einstein was correct. Televisions couldn't be focused without taking SR into account. The frame of reference of the electrons in the electron beam must have space shrunk enough to prevent the electron from tumbling as it heads for the phosphorous screen.
Further, e=mc^2 revealed that the energy in one raisin is enough to start up and run New York City for an entire day.
Like your cell phone and satallite TV? Without NASA putting up the satellites and repositioning them from time to time they don't function. GPS systems need them and they save us millions in food production since our tractors are being guided by them to produce perfectly straight and more efficient seeding and harvesting.
NASA has put up exporatory satellites (A-Train) that is testing the clear atmosphere for pollutants. NASA has satellites monitoring the sun and has revealed to us many answers through helioseismology that verify what health it is in and what dangers confront us from it. Global warming cannot really be explored seriously without comparisons to what is going on with our neighboring planets. The outer planets may reveal to us how life can survive under extreme conditions. Could fish or something like them possibly survive in Europa's sea or in the fissures in Encledeas?
But how mush exploration is too much for our budget is the main question. The rovers seem to be doing well and, if they break down, we can use other rovers to repair them or wait until our budget permits us to carry out more planetary explorations. Sending humans appears to be too expensive right now but we will have to get off the planet one day. We've got 500 million years to wrk that out if it is possible. If humans can't be proven to travel great distances then the robots will be a signature of our existence to some other thinking entity.
February 12th, 2009 at 6:46 am
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February 13th, 2009 at 9:21 am
holla "Some …"
you indeed reveal perfect underdevelopment in many ways!
To demand "political correctness", while you do preach water but guzzle wine! LOL
What a politically incorrect impudence!
February 13th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Mmmm, no mention of Men to Mars in this discussion and I count that as Good Thang. That was a half-baked distraction, IMHO.
Like Mars, The Moon can wait. It will be there a while. The ISS is another thing. We led this project and got a lot of other nations on board. What matters to me, is we honor our commitment to the international community, first and foremost. We cannot be unilateral in this. All of the involved nations need to work together.
And I certainly would not write off the Constellation Program. And can someone tell me why you cannot use a Titan booster and buy some Soyuz craft to use while we are working to finish the Constellation Program? Or maybe some cargo ships from the ESA? And if launch from Russia is the only option, so be it.
The Space Shuttle never came close to it's goal of reducing the cost of getting to orbit. And it has cost lives.
A space station in low orbit is the key to all human space exploration. It is there we learn to live in space for the long term and it is there where we will launch to the stars. Okay, seriously, at least to the planets.
And we made a commitment to the ISS. Let us keep our honor.
March 11th, 2009 at 4:06 am
ESA Exile Says:
The LHC is an example of 'basic research', or enquirey led research. The aim is to answer questions rather than to find solutions to practical problems. However such research programmes consistently produce new technologies that provide solutions to practical problems in totally unexpected ways.
If in 1895 Wilhelm Röntgen had been given a research grant to find better ways of locating schrapnel in battlefield wounds he might have produced some nice new metal probes or investigated magnets. He would not have discovered X-rays!
Applied research has it's place, and its a vitally important place too but it must not be permitted to replace basic research. It has to be both, not either or!
*****
Just a side note: Tesla experimented with X-rays before Wilhelm Röntgen "discovered" them. Though it is true that Röntgen brought them from just being an idle experiment and turned them into a useful tool.