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	<title>Comments on: Molecules in Gamma-Ray Burst Detected</title>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/06/molecules-in-gamma-ray-burst-detected/comment-page-1/#comment-48854</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>January 7th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Interesting article. I would think it a good omen that it reached the public on the same day a new grb lit up the sky.  http://grb.sonoma.edu/
just call me Novice Barry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>January 7th, 2009 at 8:39 am</p>
<p>Interesting article. I would think it a good omen that it reached the public on the same day a new grb lit up the sky.  <a href="http://grb.sonoma.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://grb.sonoma.edu/</a><br />
just call me Novice Barry</p>
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		<title>By: RetardedFishFrog</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/06/molecules-in-gamma-ray-burst-detected/comment-page-1/#comment-48782</link>
		<dc:creator>RetardedFishFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor point - Seems like a molecule is just a molecule.  Even though a molecule is far from earth, it seems silly to call it a &quot;space molecule.&quot;  Reminiscent of 1950&#039;s sci fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor point &#8211; Seems like a molecule is just a molecule.  Even though a molecule is far from earth, it seems silly to call it a &#034;space molecule.&#034;  Reminiscent of 1950&#039;s sci fi.</p>
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		<title>By: RetardedFishFrog</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/06/molecules-in-gamma-ray-burst-detected/comment-page-1/#comment-48779</link>
		<dc:creator>RetardedFishFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nearly half of the absorption lines found in the Keck spectrum are unidentified. The team expects that understanding them will provide new data on the simplest space molecules.&quot;

Could somebody please explain this?  Do we get unusual spectra because photons are being emitted from these &quot;space&quot; molecules with energies and conditions that we don&#039;t understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Nearly half of the absorption lines found in the Keck spectrum are unidentified. The team expects that understanding them will provide new data on the simplest space molecules.&#034;</p>
<p>Could somebody please explain this?  Do we get unusual spectra because photons are being emitted from these &#034;space&#034; molecules with energies and conditions that we don&#039;t understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, how do they know that the cloud clouding the burst is in the vicinity of the burst and not much closer to home?

Redshift?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, how do they know that the cloud clouding the burst is in the vicinity of the burst and not much closer to home?</p>
<p>Redshift?</p>
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		<title>By: Bosco</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/06/molecules-in-gamma-ray-burst-detected/comment-page-1/#comment-48759</link>
		<dc:creator>Bosco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big Amen to Astrofiend&#039;s comment.  Great job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big Amen to Astrofiend&#039;s comment.  Great job!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, conga-rats to X, Josh, Dan and Adam!! Here&#039;s to you!

&quot;Intrinsically, this afterglow is the second brightest ever seen. That&#039;s the only reason we were able to observe it at all,&quot; Prochaska says.

I calculated that for them. :D Might even be the brightest, but I don&#039;t have any photometry yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, conga-rats to X, Josh, Dan and Adam!! Here&#039;s to you!</p>
<p>&#034;Intrinsically, this afterglow is the second brightest ever seen. That&#039;s the only reason we were able to observe it at all,&#034; Prochaska says.</p>
<p>I calculated that for them. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Might even be the brightest, but I don&#039;t have any photometry yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind boggling that an object so (relatively) small could produce the brightest source of light in the universe.

Thanks Astrofiend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind boggling that an object so (relatively) small could produce the brightest source of light in the universe.</p>
<p>Thanks Astrofiend.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S - NANCY - you&#039;re doing a great job at pumping these articles out from the proceedings of the AAS. We appreciate it. Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S &#8211; NANCY &#8211; you&#039;re doing a great job at pumping these articles out from the proceedings of the AAS. We appreciate it. Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Oills - why do you bother? What is your deal? What philosophy or idea do you adhere to? Full disclosure would be nice.

The evidence for supermassive black holes is so compelling that it would take nothing short of the biblical apocalypse to overthrow it. I guarantee whatever &#039;idea&#039; you are peddling could not explain the most basic observations that astronomers have made over the years regarding these objects.

And, no the Schwarzchild singularity may not exist - quantum gravity (in whatever form it ends up coming in) will likely overthrow that idea. But the existence of a singularity and the existence of black holes are two separate issues. One has to do with the existence of an object in and of itself, and one has to do with a very specific (and non-critical) property of said object. Black holes can (and probably do) exist without singularities. 

Finally - a quote from an authority figure such as Einstein means nothing - he was a brilliant physicist, but still just a man. He got plenty right and plenty wrong in his life. He also worked almost a century ago, when physics was in a very much less advanced state than it is today. Why would he have any clue as to whether an esoteric property of an esoteric object was one way or the other? He may as well have been theorising about trends in computing and information technology - the necessary groundwork was not in place for him to make an informed decision at the time, even though it may have appeared to be to him as though it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Oills &#8211; why do you bother? What is your deal? What philosophy or idea do you adhere to? Full disclosure would be nice.</p>
<p>The evidence for supermassive black holes is so compelling that it would take nothing short of the biblical apocalypse to overthrow it. I guarantee whatever &#039;idea&#039; you are peddling could not explain the most basic observations that astronomers have made over the years regarding these objects.</p>
<p>And, no the Schwarzchild singularity may not exist &#8211; quantum gravity (in whatever form it ends up coming in) will likely overthrow that idea. But the existence of a singularity and the existence of black holes are two separate issues. One has to do with the existence of an object in and of itself, and one has to do with a very specific (and non-critical) property of said object. Black holes can (and probably do) exist without singularities. </p>
<p>Finally &#8211; a quote from an authority figure such as Einstein means nothing &#8211; he was a brilliant physicist, but still just a man. He got plenty right and plenty wrong in his life. He also worked almost a century ago, when physics was in a very much less advanced state than it is today. Why would he have any clue as to whether an esoteric property of an esoteric object was one way or the other? He may as well have been theorising about trends in computing and information technology &#8211; the necessary groundwork was not in place for him to make an informed decision at the time, even though it may have appeared to be to him as though it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Ayti Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

&quot;I thought that GRB&#039;s occurred at the scale of the super massive black hole rather than the stellar scale. The difference is many orders of magnitude.

Can someone set me straight on this?&quot;

Hi Ayti - a quick and dirty quote from wikipedia for you, which basically sums up the current paradigm:


&quot;There are at least two different types of progenitors (sources) of GRBs: one responsible for the long-duration, soft-spectrum bursts and one (or possibly more) responsible for short-duration, hard-spectrum bursts. The progenitors of long GRBs are believed to be massive, low-metallicity stars exploding due to the collapse of their cores. The progenitors of short GRBs are still unknown but mergers of neutron stars is probably the most popular model as of 2007.&quot;

It is possible you were thinking about quasars, which are indeed powered by supermassive black holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Ayti Says:<br />
January 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm</p>
<p>&#034;I thought that GRB&#039;s occurred at the scale of the super massive black hole rather than the stellar scale. The difference is many orders of magnitude.</p>
<p>Can someone set me straight on this?&#034;</p>
<p>Hi Ayti &#8211; a quick and dirty quote from wikipedia for you, which basically sums up the current paradigm:</p>
<p>&#034;There are at least two different types of progenitors (sources) of GRBs: one responsible for the long-duration, soft-spectrum bursts and one (or possibly more) responsible for short-duration, hard-spectrum bursts. The progenitors of long GRBs are believed to be massive, low-metallicity stars exploding due to the collapse of their cores. The progenitors of short GRBs are still unknown but mergers of neutron stars is probably the most popular model as of 2007.&#034;</p>
<p>It is possible you were thinking about quasars, which are indeed powered by supermassive black holes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nephish777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nephish777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 thoughts
first--all the articles I have read say a grb is from one star going out with a real bang;
second--Albert Einstien was wrong about several things. (gasp!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 thoughts<br />
first&#8211;all the articles I have read say a grb is from one star going out with a real bang;<br />
second&#8211;Albert Einstien was wrong about several things. (gasp!)</p>
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		<title>By: OilIsMastery</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/06/molecules-in-gamma-ray-burst-detected/comment-page-1/#comment-48736</link>
		<dc:creator>OilIsMastery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has ever observed a super massive black hole.

&quot;...the &#039;Schwarzschild singularities&#039; do not exist in physical reality.&quot; -- Albert Einstein, 1939</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has ever observed a super massive black hole.</p>
<p>&#034;&#8230;the &#039;Schwarzschild singularities&#039; do not exist in physical reality.&#034; &#8212; Albert Einstein, 1939</p>
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		<title>By: Ayti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that GRB&#039;s occurred at the scale of the super massive black hole rather than the stellar scale. The difference is many orders of magnitude.

Can someone set me straight on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that GRB&#039;s occurred at the scale of the super massive black hole rather than the stellar scale. The difference is many orders of magnitude.</p>
<p>Can someone set me straight on this?</p>
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