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		<title>By: How to Get Six Pack Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to Get Six Pack Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your blog for quite a long time and must tell you that your posts always prove to be of a high value and quality for readers.</description>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Artist point of view...It is every color but &#039;Brown&#039;.  &#039;Brown is the &#039;hue&#039; being reflected back to your eye.  All other colors or wavelengths are being absorbed in the object.  Just like a blue object is not blue.  It is absorbing every &#039;color&#039; but blue, and is reflecting blue back to your eye.  When I got into fine art painting, I had to figure that one out to understand how to &#039;mix&#039; the proper hue of colors I wanted.  Either I have stumbled upon twisted logic, or my thinking is just different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Artist point of view&#8230;It is every color but &#039;Brown&#039;.  &#039;Brown is the &#039;hue&#039; being reflected back to your eye.  All other colors or wavelengths are being absorbed in the object.  Just like a blue object is not blue.  It is absorbing every &#039;color&#039; but blue, and is reflecting blue back to your eye.  When I got into fine art painting, I had to figure that one out to understand how to &#039;mix&#039; the proper hue of colors I wanted.  Either I have stumbled upon twisted logic, or my thinking is just different.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pozzz igualmenteee Yamilaaa ni puñeteraa ideaaa XDDDD</description>
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		<title>By: Vanamonde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanamonde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, what Oliver X said. If brown is not the color of a vintage Fender Bassman amp, there is no universe!</description>
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		<title>By: yamila</title>
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		<dc:creator>yamila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no entiendo un peperoni lo ke dice!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Sakib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sakib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s either a brown planet or brown moon!</description>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if an object orbits a brown dwarf, as in the artist&#039;s concept, is it a planet or a moon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if an object orbits a brown dwarf, as in the artist&#039;s concept, is it a planet or a moon?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t infrared dwarf be a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: Bob S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown is not a defined color. Basically it is any hue that is low saturated. One can say Red brown, Yellow brown, Green brown, Orange brown. Blue brown tends to be grey as well as purple brown. What color is is brown or grey? Have you ever tried to match clothes at a store? The words brown or grey do not really discribe any color, only its low satuation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown is not a defined color. Basically it is any hue that is low saturated. One can say Red brown, Yellow brown, Green brown, Orange brown. Blue brown tends to be grey as well as purple brown. What color is is brown or grey? Have you ever tried to match clothes at a store? The words brown or grey do not really discribe any color, only its low satuation.</p>
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		<title>By: trux</title>
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		<dc:creator>trux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look at the orange square in the article with eyelids only slightly ajar, or when I dim the monitor, I see it just nicely brown. So it in fact does not deny the &quot;brown dwarf&quot; definition, it confirms it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look at the orange square in the article with eyelids only slightly ajar, or when I dim the monitor, I see it just nicely brown. So it in fact does not deny the &#034;brown dwarf&#034; definition, it confirms it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Near Buffalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Near Buffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

I&#039;m shocked that anybody wearing a tin foil hat has yet to comment on the supposed &quot;brown&quot; dwarf orbiting our Sun and how it&#039;s being steered by advanced beings on a crash course with our planet. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I&#039;m shocked that anybody wearing a tin foil hat has yet to comment on the supposed &#034;brown&#034; dwarf orbiting our Sun and how it&#039;s being steered by advanced beings on a crash course with our planet. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richad Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richad Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at sensitivities of the eye&#039;s L, M, and S (Long, Medium, and Short wavelength) primaries, then you might think that the longer wavelengths would favour the L receptor. In fact, for wavelengths below 700nm, the sensitivity of the L recptor is falling off faster than the M receptor, so the colour we see is no longer a deep read but starts going back towards orange a bit. I have looked at wavelengths from 600nm to about 720nm in the dark, and I have seen it. If you want more on this phenomenon, see Lamb&#039;s chapter from &#039;Colour Vision&#039; (Gegenfurtner &amp; Sharpe).

Nevertheless, this exotic effect aside, as an object cools, the light it emits will go from orange to red, and then will go to a dimmer and dimmer red. If you were close to a brown dwarf and could see it as a disc, then it would be pretty dim even if it was acting as a perfect blackbody. It would be hard to spot by its own light. Probably this is why the artist added other stars nearby to light it. 

Giving the colour match as an RGB triplet is not brilliantly accurate if the colour is well off neutral. Most displays have a tone curve that departs from a uniform gamma at the bottom end, and CRTs and LCDs depart from gamma in different ways. However, in an imperfect world, it does give the right sort of dirty orange colour.

I like the term &#039;brown dwarf&#039;. It will give off a very dull red glow. The red won&#039;t be a deep LED red, but something duller and more orange. We want a word that describes an unexciting orange color, but it must also stress the low intensity. The word &#039;brown&#039; comes about as close as we can get without having to invent another word. In fact, we are sort-of inventing a new color term because we are applying it to an emissive colour rather than a reflective one. &#039;Brown&#039; also carries connotations of &#039;brown-out&#039; - of something not working properly because there isn&#039;t enough power, and so forth. The first time I met the term &#039;brown dwarf&#039; I understood it straight away - I doubt if I would have done the same with &#039;planetar&#039; or &#039;substar&#039;.

We control words, not the other way around. Let there be brown light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at sensitivities of the eye&#039;s L, M, and S (Long, Medium, and Short wavelength) primaries, then you might think that the longer wavelengths would favour the L receptor. In fact, for wavelengths below 700nm, the sensitivity of the L recptor is falling off faster than the M receptor, so the colour we see is no longer a deep read but starts going back towards orange a bit. I have looked at wavelengths from 600nm to about 720nm in the dark, and I have seen it. If you want more on this phenomenon, see Lamb&#039;s chapter from &#039;Colour Vision&#039; (Gegenfurtner &amp; Sharpe).</p>
<p>Nevertheless, this exotic effect aside, as an object cools, the light it emits will go from orange to red, and then will go to a dimmer and dimmer red. If you were close to a brown dwarf and could see it as a disc, then it would be pretty dim even if it was acting as a perfect blackbody. It would be hard to spot by its own light. Probably this is why the artist added other stars nearby to light it. </p>
<p>Giving the colour match as an RGB triplet is not brilliantly accurate if the colour is well off neutral. Most displays have a tone curve that departs from a uniform gamma at the bottom end, and CRTs and LCDs depart from gamma in different ways. However, in an imperfect world, it does give the right sort of dirty orange colour.</p>
<p>I like the term &#039;brown dwarf&#039;. It will give off a very dull red glow. The red won&#039;t be a deep LED red, but something duller and more orange. We want a word that describes an unexciting orange color, but it must also stress the low intensity. The word &#039;brown&#039; comes about as close as we can get without having to invent another word. In fact, we are sort-of inventing a new color term because we are applying it to an emissive colour rather than a reflective one. &#039;Brown&#039; also carries connotations of &#039;brown-out&#039; &#8211; of something not working properly because there isn&#039;t enough power, and so forth. The first time I met the term &#039;brown dwarf&#039; I understood it straight away &#8211; I doubt if I would have done the same with &#039;planetar&#039; or &#039;substar&#039;.</p>
<p>We control words, not the other way around. Let there be brown light!</p>
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		<title>By: Fenring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fenring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote:
&quot;But you can&#039;t have a star emit brown photons because the &quot;color&quot; brown is a de-saturated yellow.&quot;

Sorry for nitpicking, but brown is not a de-saturated yellow. It&#039;s dark yellow, or dark orange, or dark red. If yellow is 100% red, 100% green and 0% blue, then brown would be something like 50% red plus 50% green to 90% red plus 10% green, with blue at 0%. This color is still fully saturated though.

Provided you wish to keep the lightness, de-saturation of yellow would mean adding twice as much blue as you take from green and red respectively. For instance 80% red,  80% green and 40% blue would be a de-saturated yellow and it would look something like light olive.</description>
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&#034;But you can&#039;t have a star emit brown photons because the &#034;color&#034; brown is a de-saturated yellow.&#034;</p>
<p>Sorry for nitpicking, but brown is not a de-saturated yellow. It&#039;s dark yellow, or dark orange, or dark red. If yellow is 100% red, 100% green and 0% blue, then brown would be something like 50% red plus 50% green to 90% red plus 10% green, with blue at 0%. This color is still fully saturated though.</p>
<p>Provided you wish to keep the lightness, de-saturation of yellow would mean adding twice as much blue as you take from green and red respectively. For instance 80% red,  80% green and 40% blue would be a de-saturated yellow and it would look something like light olive.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Dragwyla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yael Dragwyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver X:  You&#039;re right.  Laymen would be confused by this article precisely because brown *is* a color, i.e., an artifact of human perception, a psychoneurological phenomenon.  However, it  *isn&#039;t* a wavelength of light, i.e., *not* a spectral color.  The color of something is due to the reflected light you receive from it after various wavelengths of incident light have been absorbed by that thing.  Hence green, magenta, and cyan are the primary hues of light, while lavender, yellow, and chartreuse are light&#039;s secondary hues;  but red, blue, and yellow are the primary colors *as we see them, due to absorption of other wavelengths by objects we look at*, and green, orange, and purple are secondary colors.  (BTW, purple is *not* a spectral color, though violet is;  yet you&#039;ll find both in one of the larger sets of Crayola crayons, which are compounded to conform to our color sense, and not to pure spectral colors.  So:  brown *is* a color -- but not a spectral hue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver X:  You&#039;re right.  Laymen would be confused by this article precisely because brown *is* a color, i.e., an artifact of human perception, a psychoneurological phenomenon.  However, it  *isn&#039;t* a wavelength of light, i.e., *not* a spectral color.  The color of something is due to the reflected light you receive from it after various wavelengths of incident light have been absorbed by that thing.  Hence green, magenta, and cyan are the primary hues of light, while lavender, yellow, and chartreuse are light&#039;s secondary hues;  but red, blue, and yellow are the primary colors *as we see them, due to absorption of other wavelengths by objects we look at*, and green, orange, and purple are secondary colors.  (BTW, purple is *not* a spectral color, though violet is;  yet you&#039;ll find both in one of the larger sets of Crayola crayons, which are compounded to conform to our color sense, and not to pure spectral colors.  So:  brown *is* a color &#8212; but not a spectral hue.</p>
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		<title>By: drbubo</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbubo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case of Brown Dwarfs &quot;brown&quot; in not indication of color, but the temperature of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Tosteson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Tosteson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In April of 2006, I was able to see DENIS PJ1441-0945, a 20th magnitude binary brown dwarf in Libra, with my 32&quot; reflector. This may have been the first visual sighting of a brown dwarf. I&#039;ve been able to spot three others since then, but none have shown any hint of color, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In April of 2006, I was able to see DENIS PJ1441-0945, a 20th magnitude binary brown dwarf in Libra, with my 32&#034; reflector. This may have been the first visual sighting of a brown dwarf. I&#039;ve been able to spot three others since then, but none have shown any hint of color, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Helio George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helio George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stars as hot as the Sun or hotter have very little if any molecular compounds in their photosphere and are close to being blackbody radiators, which limit their color range from bluish-white, to white, to a yellowish-white, to orange, perhaps orange-red for carbon stars.

However, this is certainly not the case for brown dwarfs.  The organic soup of these objects may and do alter their SED (spectral energy distribution) allowing brown to be a strong candidate for their color.

I sure do like the site you linked to, Frasier.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stars as hot as the Sun or hotter have very little if any molecular compounds in their photosphere and are close to being blackbody radiators, which limit their color range from bluish-white, to white, to a yellowish-white, to orange, perhaps orange-red for carbon stars.</p>
<p>However, this is certainly not the case for brown dwarfs.  The organic soup of these objects may and do alter their SED (spectral energy distribution) allowing brown to be a strong candidate for their color.</p>
<p>I sure do like the site you linked to, Frasier.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful with your terminology here. There obviously are &quot;mixtures of photons that can produce light that looks brown to our eyes&quot;.  Otherwise we would never see anything that was brown.

I think the issue here is that astronomy has a simple &quot;one-dimensional&quot; notion of color which is simply &quot;the dominant visible spectral wavelength&quot;.

This has very little relation to our everyday human notion of color which has three independent components. The components are derived from the receptivity of our three different types of photoreceptors to different parts of the spectrum.

There&#039;s no meaningful way to translate our notion of brown (partly greenish, partly reddish, a bit of bluish) to the astronomical notion of color (ie dominant wavelength of ~700nm, also known as red). If the color is not &quot;in the rainbow&quot;, it&#039;s not a spectral color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful with your terminology here. There obviously are &#034;mixtures of photons that can produce light that looks brown to our eyes&#034;.  Otherwise we would never see anything that was brown.</p>
<p>I think the issue here is that astronomy has a simple &#034;one-dimensional&#034; notion of color which is simply &#034;the dominant visible spectral wavelength&#034;.</p>
<p>This has very little relation to our everyday human notion of color which has three independent components. The components are derived from the receptivity of our three different types of photoreceptors to different parts of the spectrum.</p>
<p>There&#039;s no meaningful way to translate our notion of brown (partly greenish, partly reddish, a bit of bluish) to the astronomical notion of color (ie dominant wavelength of ~700nm, also known as red). If the color is not &#034;in the rainbow&#034;, it&#039;s not a spectral color.</p>
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