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	<title>Comments on: Bringing WIMP Theory into Question: Is There Another Dark Matter Explanation?</title>
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		<title>By: dmlp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A layman&#039;s question: Could dark matter be explained as the gravitational influence of matter existing in a different dimension or universe? That it is not actually matter that exists in our universe?</description>
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		<title>By: LONONe</title>
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		<dc:creator>LONONe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not shadow world, &quot; shadow universe &quot; It exists beyond the speed of light.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46955</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking further back (I had neglected to go to page one comments) I see I am not the troll reference, I thought someone had taken offense at a prior post of mine.  That Oil guy has some mashup of uncorrelated thoughts. As for the other bill...BillO of Fox - lurking?  Bill Illis - you&#039;re onto it...Occam&#039;s razor got rusty on this issue, there are known forces and alternate theories that are candidates for the DM effect, that should be seriously considered in lieu of invoking entirely new, conjectural, possibly imaginary entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking further back (I had neglected to go to page one comments) I see I am not the troll reference, I thought someone had taken offense at a prior post of mine.  That Oil guy has some mashup of uncorrelated thoughts. As for the other bill&#8230;BillO of Fox &#8211; lurking?  Bill Illis &#8211; you&#039;re onto it&#8230;Occam&#039;s razor got rusty on this issue, there are known forces and alternate theories that are candidates for the DM effect, that should be seriously considered in lieu of invoking entirely new, conjectural, possibly imaginary entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am on someone&#039;s troll list.  I am well fed, though, so I will throw out food for thought.  One of the underpinnings of the dark matter conjecture is the pie-plate rotation of spiral galaxies.  That is, by Newtonian mechanics we expect the closer-in stars to orbit the center of mass of the galaxy faster than those farther out.  In fact the galaxies rotate as if they were a single object.  Thus the conjecture arose that they are embedded in a larger structure of invisible gravitating mass.  There are a number of alternative explanations, though, for instance: the conjecture of MOND (modified Newtonian gravity). Not to mention EM forces, whose responsible particles create forces (both attractive and repulsive) that are 10^34 times more powerful than neutral gravitating particles (attractive only).  So we are far from the final chapter in the discussion of DM.  Let the troll-calling begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am on someone&#039;s troll list.  I am well fed, though, so I will throw out food for thought.  One of the underpinnings of the dark matter conjecture is the pie-plate rotation of spiral galaxies.  That is, by Newtonian mechanics we expect the closer-in stars to orbit the center of mass of the galaxy faster than those farther out.  In fact the galaxies rotate as if they were a single object.  Thus the conjecture arose that they are embedded in a larger structure of invisible gravitating mass.  There are a number of alternative explanations, though, for instance: the conjecture of MOND (modified Newtonian gravity). Not to mention EM forces, whose responsible particles create forces (both attractive and repulsive) that are 10^34 times more powerful than neutral gravitating particles (attractive only).  So we are far from the final chapter in the discussion of DM.  Let the troll-calling begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Emission Nebula</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46943</link>
		<dc:creator>Emission Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill L. ,

 The artist formally known as Bill L. ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill L. ,</p>
<p> The artist formally known as Bill L. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Icecycle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icecycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been wondering about this.
If gravity spent much of the cycle out of our brane then we might expect otherwise normal matter to be capable of oscillation along the same plane.
Non coherent ions with this (fruitloop?) energy level would of course not interact* with each other.
I have still not worked out what a coherent (machine) object would be capable of; strange things, I am sure.

*very much; one would expect a Fred Hoyle style continuous creation thingee to be visible at some level; a very low level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering about this.<br />
If gravity spent much of the cycle out of our brane then we might expect otherwise normal matter to be capable of oscillation along the same plane.<br />
Non coherent ions with this (fruitloop?) energy level would of course not interact* with each other.<br />
I have still not worked out what a coherent (machine) object would be capable of; strange things, I am sure.</p>
<p>*very much; one would expect a Fred Hoyle style continuous creation thingee to be visible at some level; a very low level.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill L.</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46508</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, shoot, I have the same name as the crazy dude...

Anyways, the post with the included link to xkcd, that was me. Nutty tangent about Obama, definitely not me.

Man, this sucks.  I can&#039;t just go with my first name anymore... Thanks for ruining my day, Crazy-Ass Bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, shoot, I have the same name as the crazy dude&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyways, the post with the included link to xkcd, that was me. Nutty tangent about Obama, definitely not me.</p>
<p>Man, this sucks.  I can&#039;t just go with my first name anymore&#8230; Thanks for ruining my day, Crazy-Ass Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: OilIsMastery</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46422</link>
		<dc:creator>OilIsMastery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who still believes in the Newtonian God&#039;s divine gravity should get one of these for Christmas: http://www.teachersource.com/ElectricityAndMagnetism/ElectricityAndMagnetism/Anti-GravityGlobe.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who still believes in the Newtonian God&#039;s divine gravity should get one of these for Christmas: <a href="http://www.teachersource.com/ElectricityAndMagnetism/ElectricityAndMagnetism/Anti-GravityGlobe.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.teachersource.com/ElectricityAndMagnetism/ElectricityAndMagnetism/Anti-GravityGlobe.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Eaton-Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/13/bringing-wimp-theory-into-question-is-there-another-dark-matter-explanation/comment-page-2/#comment-46414</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Eaton-Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all in favour of far out theories and speculation and have always loved the idea of WIMPs, axions, gravitinos, super-symmetricdal partners to the usual family of bosons etc. However, proposing particles that are even MORE weakly interacting than the ones we haven&#039;t yet seen is pushing the envelope just a bit too far. Experimentalists just hate it when theoreticians come up with ideas that are on the far shores of possibility.
Still it&#039;s a wonderful read. More please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m all in favour of far out theories and speculation and have always loved the idea of WIMPs, axions, gravitinos, super-symmetricdal partners to the usual family of bosons etc. However, proposing particles that are even MORE weakly interacting than the ones we haven&#039;t yet seen is pushing the envelope just a bit too far. Experimentalists just hate it when theoreticians come up with ideas that are on the far shores of possibility.<br />
Still it&#039;s a wonderful read. More please.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To the people responding to the likes of &#039;Bill&#039; and &#039;OilsMastery&#039;…..can you please stop feeding the trolls? &quot;

I&#039;m not responding for the trolls sake, but there may be readers here who are interested in why the atmosphere doesn&#039;t form layers and don&#039;t know the science involved. Ignoring dumb ideas may work in academia where the harshest thing is being ignored by your peers. We&#039;re on the internet though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;To the people responding to the likes of &#039;Bill&#039; and &#039;OilsMastery&#039;…..can you please stop feeding the trolls? &#034;</p>
<p>I&#039;m not responding for the trolls sake, but there may be readers here who are interested in why the atmosphere doesn&#039;t form layers and don&#039;t know the science involved. Ignoring dumb ideas may work in academia where the harshest thing is being ignored by your peers. We&#039;re on the internet though.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trux, whatever dark matter is, it&#039;s too diffuse on a local scale to affect normal matter enough for us to measure it&#039;s gravitational effect.   If the Earth happened to travel through a large volume of diffuse gas, we would barely notice it, and it would not automatically collect together into rings or moons, so there is no reason why dark matter should, especially since it is even less dense and interactive.

I think the best you can hope for is that there is a very slightly greater concentration of dark matter in and around more massive normal objects like stars, but even then it would be like finding a very, very slightly more dense area of gas, not a ring or a moon of DM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trux, whatever dark matter is, it&#039;s too diffuse on a local scale to affect normal matter enough for us to measure it&#039;s gravitational effect.   If the Earth happened to travel through a large volume of diffuse gas, we would barely notice it, and it would not automatically collect together into rings or moons, so there is no reason why dark matter should, especially since it is even less dense and interactive.</p>
<p>I think the best you can hope for is that there is a very slightly greater concentration of dark matter in and around more massive normal objects like stars, but even then it would be like finding a very, very slightly more dense area of gas, not a ring or a moon of DM.</p>
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		<title>By: Geko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the people responding to the likes of &#039;Bill&#039; and &#039;OilsMastery&#039;.....can you please stop feeding the trolls? 

Just listen to the sheer stupidity of these people, but being the optimist i am, i think the best explanation is that these are trolls...they are more than 14 kinds of wrong, and they know it....troll&#039;ism at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the people responding to the likes of &#039;Bill&#039; and &#039;OilsMastery&#039;&#8230;..can you please stop feeding the trolls? </p>
<p>Just listen to the sheer stupidity of these people, but being the optimist i am, i think the best explanation is that these are trolls&#8230;they are more than 14 kinds of wrong, and they know it&#8230;.troll&#039;ism at its best.</p>
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		<title>By: trux</title>
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		<dc:creator>trux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something does not add up with WIMP&#039;s and other Dark Matter theories. Well, I understand we cannot really directly observe or sense it, because it is not interacting enough with the electromagnetic field, but it still interacts with normal matter through gravitation. That&#039;s why we &quot;know&quot; it is there. Now if the Universe is really made mostly of DM, I&#039;d expect that there would be plenty of it everywhere around us too. And that there would be much more of it around any massive object, because it would trap the DM gravitationally. Or oppositely that the DM objects would bind visible massive objects and that they would then orbit around them. However, AFAIK, we did not observe anything like that. And despite the fact that the DM is not observable, a close amassing of DM or a flyby of a huge DM object (or a cloud) around visible objects would be well measurable even with today&#039;s technology. If the DM makes for 60% (or 90%, or whatever) of the Universe mass, then I would expect a rather frequent flyby&#039;s of DM objects around or through the Earth and other planets in our Solar system, or in other solar systems in the Galaxy. Why doesn&#039;t the Earth have a dozen of DM moons? Or DM rings? And do not tell me it would not be detectable! It would.

Well, the only explanation is that the DM is internally bound with much stronger forces than the gravitation, and actually does not create any gravitationally bound objects, and does not amass in the way visible matter does, and rather creates a mesh (like a sponge) through which the visible objects move freely. If it is so, then the theory about the DM being formed by strongly interacting particles does not make sense to me. 

Anyway I admit I am ignorant as for DM goes, and know about it as little as the experts studying it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something does not add up with WIMP&#039;s and other Dark Matter theories. Well, I understand we cannot really directly observe or sense it, because it is not interacting enough with the electromagnetic field, but it still interacts with normal matter through gravitation. That&#039;s why we &#034;know&#034; it is there. Now if the Universe is really made mostly of DM, I&#039;d expect that there would be plenty of it everywhere around us too. And that there would be much more of it around any massive object, because it would trap the DM gravitationally. Or oppositely that the DM objects would bind visible massive objects and that they would then orbit around them. However, AFAIK, we did not observe anything like that. And despite the fact that the DM is not observable, a close amassing of DM or a flyby of a huge DM object (or a cloud) around visible objects would be well measurable even with today&#039;s technology. If the DM makes for 60% (or 90%, or whatever) of the Universe mass, then I would expect a rather frequent flyby&#039;s of DM objects around or through the Earth and other planets in our Solar system, or in other solar systems in the Galaxy. Why doesn&#039;t the Earth have a dozen of DM moons? Or DM rings? And do not tell me it would not be detectable! It would.</p>
<p>Well, the only explanation is that the DM is internally bound with much stronger forces than the gravitation, and actually does not create any gravitationally bound objects, and does not amass in the way visible matter does, and rather creates a mesh (like a sponge) through which the visible objects move freely. If it is so, then the theory about the DM being formed by strongly interacting particles does not make sense to me. </p>
<p>Anyway I admit I am ignorant as for DM goes, and know about it as little as the experts studying it <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It would be funky if the spiritual world existed in Dark Matter &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm.  Sounds like an idea for my next book (if I ever finish my first one, that is!).

Mind if I steal it?   


(just kidding).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would be funky if the spiritual world existed in Dark Matter </p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm.  Sounds like an idea for my next book (if I ever finish my first one, that is!).</p>
<p>Mind if I steal it?   </p>
<p>(just kidding).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be funky if the spiritual world existed in Dark Matter and we were CS Lewis&#039;s &quot;Shadowlands&quot; as described in the Great Divorce.  Not saying anything&#039;s right or wrong, just interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be funky if the spiritual world existed in Dark Matter and we were CS Lewis&#039;s &#034;Shadowlands&#034; as described in the Great Divorce.  Not saying anything&#039;s right or wrong, just interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://xkcd.com/386/

Oh my god... Someone is WRONG on the INTERNET!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/386/</a></p>
<p>Oh my god&#8230; Someone is WRONG on the INTERNET!</p>
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		<title>By: oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone know if the LARGE &quot;HARD-ON&quot; collider is back online? 
it may shed some light on the debate. perhaps aside from hopefully finding the higgs-boson, could it also discover evidence of what makes up dark-matter?

all the sane people in the forum, please simply ignore the retards....maybe call them names or something. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone know if the LARGE &#034;HARD-ON&#034; collider is back online?<br />
it may shed some light on the debate. perhaps aside from hopefully finding the higgs-boson, could it also discover evidence of what makes up dark-matter?</p>
<p>all the sane people in the forum, please simply ignore the retards&#8230;.maybe call them names or something. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill Illis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Illis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we will eventually find that the gravity effect of dark matter is produced by matter that is less exotic than is currently believed.

What about something as simple as there is an extended halo of gas, dust, lone stars and brown dwarfs around the galaxies that goes out, let&#039;s say 4 times as far as the easily visible galaxy limits.

We&#039;ve already detected halos producing x-ray emissions but what if there is still an even greater halo than the x-ray producing region.

http://www.universetoday.com/2006/02/04/hot-halo-surrounds-distant-galaxy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we will eventually find that the gravity effect of dark matter is produced by matter that is less exotic than is currently believed.</p>
<p>What about something as simple as there is an extended halo of gas, dust, lone stars and brown dwarfs around the galaxies that goes out, let&#039;s say 4 times as far as the easily visible galaxy limits.</p>
<p>We&#039;ve already detected halos producing x-ray emissions but what if there is still an even greater halo than the x-ray producing region.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.universetoday.com/2006/02/04/hot-halo-surrounds-distant-galaxy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.universetoday.com/2006/02/04/hot-halo-surrounds-distant-galaxy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oils, three simple facts:

1) There is 22 times as much oxygen in the atmosphere than argon.

2) Argon is only 25% more dense than oxygen, so Argon doesn&#039;t settle out in a layer below oxygen because even the slightest current of air is enough to mix the gases.  If you&#039;re in a completely sealed room, your movement and the very act of breathing in will ensure that you get enough oxygen to breath, even if you&#039;re lying with your nose to the floor. 

3) In addition, the effect of Brownian motion (look it up) will help to mix the gases too.

Hint: do some reading.  This really is very basic science -- there is no mystery, no conspiracy of silence, just very basic high school physics and chemistry.  Wikipedia is always a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oils, three simple facts:</p>
<p>1) There is 22 times as much oxygen in the atmosphere than argon.</p>
<p>2) Argon is only 25% more dense than oxygen, so Argon doesn&#039;t settle out in a layer below oxygen because even the slightest current of air is enough to mix the gases.  If you&#039;re in a completely sealed room, your movement and the very act of breathing in will ensure that you get enough oxygen to breath, even if you&#039;re lying with your nose to the floor. </p>
<p>3) In addition, the effect of Brownian motion (look it up) will help to mix the gases too.</p>
<p>Hint: do some reading.  This really is very basic science &#8212; there is no mystery, no conspiracy of silence, just very basic high school physics and chemistry.  Wikipedia is always a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Trippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OIM is a troll who believes that Gravity is a myth, subduction doesn&#039;t happen, all Oil is Abiogenic, Velikovsky was right, and the list goes on and on.

He&#039;s already had his misconceptions explained to him on at least one other forum that I regularly attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OIM is a troll who believes that Gravity is a myth, subduction doesn&#039;t happen, all Oil is Abiogenic, Velikovsky was right, and the list goes on and on.</p>
<p>He&#039;s already had his misconceptions explained to him on at least one other forum that I regularly attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome in the past OillsMastery. Your question has been answered over a hundred years ago.

Your argument is a strawman, an absurdly simplified version of physics, the theory of gravity doesn&#039;t predict anything like an layered atmosphere, thus saying &quot;the atmosphere isn&#039;t layered!&quot; doesn&#039;t prove anything.
 
What it boils down to: The atmosphere isn&#039;t the static thing that you picture. All the different atmospheric gases are mixed together into a swirling mass through the process of diffusion. This page on Wikipedia describes diffusion with the aid of diagrams - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

The Brownian motion of molecules prevents the atmosphere from forming layers.

Sometimes you have to look at the big picture OillsMastery, you can &quot;disprove&quot; all scientific theories if you ignore all the other factors that are involved in observed phenomena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome in the past OillsMastery. Your question has been answered over a hundred years ago.</p>
<p>Your argument is a strawman, an absurdly simplified version of physics, the theory of gravity doesn&#039;t predict anything like an layered atmosphere, thus saying &#034;the atmosphere isn&#039;t layered!&#034; doesn&#039;t prove anything.</p>
<p>What it boils down to: The atmosphere isn&#039;t the static thing that you picture. All the different atmospheric gases are mixed together into a swirling mass through the process of diffusion. This page on Wikipedia describes diffusion with the aid of diagrams &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion</a></p>
<p>The Brownian motion of molecules prevents the atmosphere from forming layers.</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to look at the big picture OillsMastery, you can &#034;disprove&#034; all scientific theories if you ignore all the other factors that are involved in observed phenomena.</p>
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		<title>By: James Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argon is a noble gas, meaning it is pretty well inert.  Oxygen bonds to itself, forming O2 which is heavier than argon.  There is also the fact that weight and density are not the only factors which serve to &quot;emulsify&quot; our atmosphere.  There is also convection and turbulence resulting ultimately from the energy added to the system (sunlight).  The fact that you show ignorance of something so basic, and thus try to deny that which defies your understanding without ever giving it serious study, indicates to me that you are indeed a crackpot.

I could go on poking holes in your statements, but you bore me.  Moving on to the next article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argon is a noble gas, meaning it is pretty well inert.  Oxygen bonds to itself, forming O2 which is heavier than argon.  There is also the fact that weight and density are not the only factors which serve to &#034;emulsify&#034; our atmosphere.  There is also convection and turbulence resulting ultimately from the energy added to the system (sunlight).  The fact that you show ignorance of something so basic, and thus try to deny that which defies your understanding without ever giving it serious study, indicates to me that you are indeed a crackpot.</p>
<p>I could go on poking holes in your statements, but you bore me.  Moving on to the next article.</p>
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		<title>By: OilIsMastery</title>
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		<dc:creator>OilIsMastery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Tacitus, if argon is heavier than oxygen how are we able to breathe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Tacitus, if argon is heavier than oxygen how are we able to breathe?</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oils, you obviously haven&#039;t a clue about Newton or Kepler&#039;s Laws.  I sorry to have to say this but your willfully ignorant rant shows that the average twelve-year old understands the fundamentals of physics better than you do.

I still find it pretty astounding how some people will reject the work of tens of thousands of scientists over the last three hundred years -- work that has been confirmed observationally to the nth degree countless number of times -- and then claim to believe one or two cranks who usually aren&#039;t even scientists and who spout crackpot theories that aren&#039;t even good science fiction.

It&#039;s utterly bizarre, and at some point (as with Oils) you just have to throw up your hands and give up trying to teach these people anything.  They&#039;re just not interested in learning in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oils, you obviously haven&#039;t a clue about Newton or Kepler&#039;s Laws.  I sorry to have to say this but your willfully ignorant rant shows that the average twelve-year old understands the fundamentals of physics better than you do.</p>
<p>I still find it pretty astounding how some people will reject the work of tens of thousands of scientists over the last three hundred years &#8212; work that has been confirmed observationally to the nth degree countless number of times &#8212; and then claim to believe one or two cranks who usually aren&#039;t even scientists and who spout crackpot theories that aren&#039;t even good science fiction.</p>
<p>It&#039;s utterly bizarre, and at some point (as with Oils) you just have to throw up your hands and give up trying to teach these people anything.  They&#039;re just not interested in learning in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of the crackpottery of the early comments. To your Max Born quote I&#039;ll add Niels Bohr (version taken from among many on Wikiquote):

&quot;We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of the crackpottery of the early comments. To your Max Born quote I&#039;ll add Niels Bohr (version taken from among many on Wikiquote):</p>
<p>&#034;We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.&#034;</p>
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