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	<title>Comments on: Future Missions to Mars Will be Joint NASA/ESA Efforts</title>
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		<title>By: watchful stone guardian</title>
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		<dc:creator>watchful stone guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or as Yoda would say &quot;Without sh*t, plants grow not.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as Yoda would say &#034;Without sh*t, plants grow not.&#034;<br />
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		<title>By: marcellus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcellus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most cosmologists consider that the Universe is homogenous, that is, that the Universe is the same everywhere. 

If that is the case, life is everywhere. I can believe that much more than we are here to spread life throughout the Universe. 4.4 light years to the nearest star system is a long way to go much less the rest of the way.

The &quot;bold assertion&quot; that this is the only place that life exists smacks of pre-Copernican astronomy.

Co-operation between NASA and the ESA is a small but correct step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most cosmologists consider that the Universe is homogenous, that is, that the Universe is the same everywhere. </p>
<p>If that is the case, life is everywhere. I can believe that much more than we are here to spread life throughout the Universe. 4.4 light years to the nearest star system is a long way to go much less the rest of the way.</p>
<p>The &#034;bold assertion&#034; that this is the only place that life exists smacks of pre-Copernican astronomy.</p>
<p>Co-operation between NASA and the ESA is a small but correct step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2006 the estimated budget of ESA was € 2.904 billion (according to http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMEU7W4QWD_Germany_0.html)

NASA&#039;s budget in 2006 was 15.125 billion in current dollars (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2006 the estimated budget of ESA was € 2.904 billion (according to <a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMEU7W4QWD_Germany_0.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMEU7W4QWD_Germany_0.html)</a></p>
<p>NASA&#039;s budget in 2006 was 15.125 billion in current dollars (according to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget)</a></p>
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		<title>By: DJ Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha ! I will dream on my friend, while the &quot;mirage&quot; of international cooperation drifts majestically above our heads ... the ISS. The space age will carry on regardless of this outpouring of bile and ignorance. Maybe it&#039;s a necessary part of the equation. As the Buddhists say ... &quot;without s**t, plants not grow&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha ! I will dream on my friend, while the &#034;mirage&#034; of international cooperation drifts majestically above our heads &#8230; the ISS. The space age will carry on regardless of this outpouring of bile and ignorance. Maybe it&#039;s a necessary part of the equation. As the Buddhists say &#8230; &#034;without s**t, plants not grow&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: btw</title>
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		<dc:creator>btw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who expect that a merger of NASA and the ESA to blossom into anything substantial anytime soon, dream on. I wish only the best for the two space agencies, but international cooperation has been only a mirage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who expect that a merger of NASA and the ESA to blossom into anything substantial anytime soon, dream on. I wish only the best for the two space agencies, but international cooperation has been only a mirage.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger Levinson. Says:
December 7th, 2008 at 12:15 am 

&quot;There is no other life out there, we are alone and we are here to bring life to the rest of the universe.&quot;

Wow - that&#039;s a bold assertion. Nobody on Earth has any idea of what may or may not be out there with regards to life. To make a any sort of claim otherwise can only be regarded as pure guesswork, baseless personal conviction or quasi-religious. 

Both history and common sense show pretty damn well that reaching conclusions in this manner isn&#039;t usually conducive to finding out the facts of the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Levinson. Says:<br />
December 7th, 2008 at 12:15 am </p>
<p>&#034;There is no other life out there, we are alone and we are here to bring life to the rest of the universe.&#034;</p>
<p>Wow &#8211; that&#039;s a bold assertion. Nobody on Earth has any idea of what may or may not be out there with regards to life. To make a any sort of claim otherwise can only be regarded as pure guesswork, baseless personal conviction or quasi-religious. </p>
<p>Both history and common sense show pretty damn well that reaching conclusions in this manner isn&#039;t usually conducive to finding out the facts of the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Levinson.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Levinson.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And about time too.  There is no other life out there, we are alone  and we are here to bring life to the rest of the universe. Lets start with Mars and lets get it done, the sooner the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And about time too.  There is no other life out there, we are alone  and we are here to bring life to the rest of the universe. Lets start with Mars and lets get it done, the sooner the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its about time they teamed up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its about time they teamed up</p>
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		<title>By: marcellus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcellus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering Germany was heavily involved in two world wars in the 20th century that cost the planet a combined 60 million dead, then the money we&#039;ve spent in that direction is a good investment. Peace is priceless.

That NASA and the ESA are combining forces, that is a good thing. The Cassini/Huygens mission to Saturn is proof positive of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering Germany was heavily involved in two world wars in the 20th century that cost the planet a combined 60 million dead, then the money we&#039;ve spent in that direction is a good investment. Peace is priceless.</p>
<p>That NASA and the ESA are combining forces, that is a good thing. The Cassini/Huygens mission to Saturn is proof positive of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the military, here is an idea. Let us make a proposal where the ESA contriubtes dollar for dollar the money the U.S. military spends &quot;defending&quot; Germany so that the Germans don&#039;t have to. Of course considering this proposal we would have to figure out just what we are still defending Germany from. OR do we still believe they are the barbarians of Roman times or inclined to another holocaust or world war if we let them comlpetely run their own military operations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the military, here is an idea. Let us make a proposal where the ESA contriubtes dollar for dollar the money the U.S. military spends &#034;defending&#034; Germany so that the Germans don&#039;t have to. Of course considering this proposal we would have to figure out just what we are still defending Germany from. OR do we still believe they are the barbarians of Roman times or inclined to another holocaust or world war if we let them comlpetely run their own military operations?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Lam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA  and the ESA working in concert.  Now there is a union made in heaven.  Further, this Mars agenda most certainly will collapse under its&#039; own financial weight.  It will be many decades, before a science team steps foot on Mars and returns to earth.   Man walking on Mars may not even happen this century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA  and the ESA working in concert.  Now there is a union made in heaven.  Further, this Mars agenda most certainly will collapse under its&#039; own financial weight.  It will be many decades, before a science team steps foot on Mars and returns to earth.   Man walking on Mars may not even happen this century.</p>
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		<title>By: LLDIAZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLDIAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>response to maudyfish:
There is a &quot;fortune&quot; to be made but who will inherit this fortune not the astronauts not the scientists who studied day and night calculating every last detail. The credit will go to the politicians for &quot;allowing&quot; it, the technology will be folded into the military complex. No fortune for those that worked for it. Not Fair!!
KG6RYA:
I completely agree military budget is totally way too much hope Obama cuts it down but then you have to ask at what expense to the peoples safety..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>response to maudyfish:<br />
There is a &#034;fortune&#034; to be made but who will inherit this fortune not the astronauts not the scientists who studied day and night calculating every last detail. The credit will go to the politicians for &#034;allowing&#034; it, the technology will be folded into the military complex. No fortune for those that worked for it. Not Fair!!<br />
KG6RYA:<br />
I completely agree military budget is totally way too much hope Obama cuts it down but then you have to ask at what expense to the peoples safety..</p>
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		<title>By: David R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KG6YRA:

&quot;NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone.&quot;
That &#039;s akin to saying the vegetarians are not interested in eating vegetables.&quot;  Not exactly.  An angry over generalization?  Maybe.  Devoid of fact?  Not at all.  It&#039;s an agency.  It&#039;s an institution.  There are plenty of former NASA people out there that will point out mismanagement, self-serving agendas, and so on.  

&quot;NASA scientists are warning of the effects of climate change on the future of humanity. However, the Bush administration kept them as quite as possible.&quot; You&#039;re illustrating my point.  NASA has an unfortunate relationship with politics.  Its science and research therefore depend, at least in part, on which way the political winds blow.  If that is even partly true, then NASA isn&#039;t completely concerned about planet Earth, is it?  Concerns over climate change are being handled by other groups with a lot more transparency, accountability and bottom line results than NASA.  Give me a break. 

&quot;You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities, David. Then they wouldn&#039;t have launched the OSTM and the large armada of Earth monitoring satellites. Such as research on the Ozone layer, sea-levels, and the entire atmospheric and geophysical condition of the planet.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html&quot;

OK, how about this link to balance out your comments:

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/sep/HQ_07197_NASA_Army_MOU.html

NASA does not have just Earth research in mind, nor has it ever.  You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities as well.  Not to mention a very myopic understanding US political history.  Most public school history classes even acknowledge the relationship between the moon program and the cold war.  To suggest that NASA is somehow above politics, military research, and matters that have nothing to do with the well being of the planet is nauseating.  

&quot;Instead bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology, how about protesting against military spending.
NASA: 17.3 billion = a meager budget for peaceful science.
US Military: $515.4 Billion = bigger body count&quot;
I am not bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology.  I am bashing bureaucrats who rush to the press with comments about the benefit of &quot;all the Earth&quot; when their history and present reality are completely at odds with their rhetoric.  (I would like nothing better than to see a US budget that eliminates poverty, creates good jobs, eliminates its debt, and invests heavily in science and research.) 

&quot;The US economy has already virtually collapsed–and it&#039;s all still here.&quot;  Well, for someone so bothered by over generalizations and overlooking key details, you didn&#039;t seem too concerned with your own.  Yes, the US economy is &quot;still here.&quot;  And the highest unemployment numbers in recent memory are here. I&#039;ll be sure to tell my friends who are on the verge of losing their jobs that the US economy is &quot;still here.&quot;  

&quot;You make me hug the toilet.&quot;  I guess you meant that my comments made you hug the toilet.  Your comments have the same effect on me.  So I guess that makes us united in our own vomit...and we have both adversely affected the planet by all that extra flushing.  

&quot;For the benefit of us all.&quot;  Huh?  That just doesn&#039;t make any sense.  But I&#039;m too busy hugging the toilet to care much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KG6YRA:</p>
<p>&#034;NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone.&#034;<br />
That &#039;s akin to saying the vegetarians are not interested in eating vegetables.&#034;  Not exactly.  An angry over generalization?  Maybe.  Devoid of fact?  Not at all.  It&#039;s an agency.  It&#039;s an institution.  There are plenty of former NASA people out there that will point out mismanagement, self-serving agendas, and so on.  </p>
<p>&#034;NASA scientists are warning of the effects of climate change on the future of humanity. However, the Bush administration kept them as quite as possible.&#034; You&#039;re illustrating my point.  NASA has an unfortunate relationship with politics.  Its science and research therefore depend, at least in part, on which way the political winds blow.  If that is even partly true, then NASA isn&#039;t completely concerned about planet Earth, is it?  Concerns over climate change are being handled by other groups with a lot more transparency, accountability and bottom line results than NASA.  Give me a break. </p>
<p>&#034;You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities, David. Then they wouldn&#039;t have launched the OSTM and the large armada of Earth monitoring satellites. Such as research on the Ozone layer, sea-levels, and the entire atmospheric and geophysical condition of the planet.<br />
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html</a>&#034;</p>
<p>OK, how about this link to balance out your comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/sep/HQ_07197_NASA_Army_MOU.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2007/sep/HQ_07197_NASA_Army_MOU.html</a></p>
<p>NASA does not have just Earth research in mind, nor has it ever.  You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities as well.  Not to mention a very myopic understanding US political history.  Most public school history classes even acknowledge the relationship between the moon program and the cold war.  To suggest that NASA is somehow above politics, military research, and matters that have nothing to do with the well being of the planet is nauseating.  </p>
<p>&#034;Instead bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology, how about protesting against military spending.<br />
NASA: 17.3 billion = a meager budget for peaceful science.<br />
US Military: $515.4 Billion = bigger body count&#034;<br />
I am not bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology.  I am bashing bureaucrats who rush to the press with comments about the benefit of &#034;all the Earth&#034; when their history and present reality are completely at odds with their rhetoric.  (I would like nothing better than to see a US budget that eliminates poverty, creates good jobs, eliminates its debt, and invests heavily in science and research.) </p>
<p>&#034;The US economy has already virtually collapsed–and it&#039;s all still here.&#034;  Well, for someone so bothered by over generalizations and overlooking key details, you didn&#039;t seem too concerned with your own.  Yes, the US economy is &#034;still here.&#034;  And the highest unemployment numbers in recent memory are here. I&#039;ll be sure to tell my friends who are on the verge of losing their jobs that the US economy is &#034;still here.&#034;  </p>
<p>&#034;You make me hug the toilet.&#034;  I guess you meant that my comments made you hug the toilet.  Your comments have the same effect on me.  So I guess that makes us united in our own vomit&#8230;and we have both adversely affected the planet by all that extra flushing.  </p>
<p>&#034;For the benefit of us all.&#034;  Huh?  That just doesn&#039;t make any sense.  But I&#039;m too busy hugging the toilet to care much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KG6YRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KG6YRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: &quot;NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone.&quot; 

That &#039;s akin to saying the vegetarians are not interested in eating vegetables.

NASA scientists are warning of the effects of climate change on the future of humanity. However, the Bush administration kept them as quite as possible. 
 
You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities, David. Then they wouldn&#039;t have launched the OSTM and the large armada of Earth monitoring satellites. Such as research on the Ozone layer, sea-levels, and the entire atmospheric and geophysical condition of the planet.

www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html

Instead bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology, how about protesting against military spending.

NASA: 17.3 billion = a meager budget for peaceful science. 
US Military: $515.4 Billion = bigger body count

The US economy has already virtually collapsed--and it&#039;s all still here. 
You make me hug the toilet. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: &#034;NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone.&#034; </p>
<p>That &#039;s akin to saying the vegetarians are not interested in eating vegetables.</p>
<p>NASA scientists are warning of the effects of climate change on the future of humanity. However, the Bush administration kept them as quite as possible. </p>
<p>You have greatly overlooked NASA&#039;s activities, David. Then they wouldn&#039;t have launched the OSTM and the large armada of Earth monitoring satellites. Such as research on the Ozone layer, sea-levels, and the entire atmospheric and geophysical condition of the planet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/index.html</a></p>
<p>Instead bashing the peaceful advancement of science and technology, how about protesting against military spending.</p>
<p>NASA: 17.3 billion = a meager budget for peaceful science.<br />
US Military: $515.4 Billion = bigger body count</p>
<p>The US economy has already virtually collapsed&#8211;and it&#039;s all still here.<br />
You make me hug the toilet. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#034;For the benefit of all&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Europeans are no choirboys at all. They also act IAW the condicio humana. We are egoistic. Just as, our philosophy is sometimes more obliged to the roots than that of the rest of the ancient Europeans colonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Europeans are no choirboys at all. They also act IAW the condicio humana. We are egoistic. Just as, our philosophy is sometimes more obliged to the roots than that of the rest of the ancient Europeans colonies.</p>
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		<title>By: David R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fornax, I totally agree with you in spirit.  I want so badly to be an idealist when it comes to all things space.  But the NASA comment is making me run for the toilet again.  It is utter hypocrisy for NASA dudes to run around and talk the planet Earth game.  You didn&#039;t hear them do it at any point like they&#039;re doing it now.  They are scrambling to reinvent themselves before the US and world economies collapse.  NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone. If they really were interested, their behavior would be a lot more specific than just press releases with feel good comments that they really haven&#039;t made before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fornax, I totally agree with you in spirit.  I want so badly to be an idealist when it comes to all things space.  But the NASA comment is making me run for the toilet again.  It is utter hypocrisy for NASA dudes to run around and talk the planet Earth game.  You didn&#039;t hear them do it at any point like they&#039;re doing it now.  They are scrambling to reinvent themselves before the US and world economies collapse.  NASA is not interested in planet Earth or the benefit of anything or anyone. If they really were interested, their behavior would be a lot more specific than just press releases with feel good comments that they really haven&#039;t made before.</p>
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		<title>By: Fornax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fornax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Space buffs must be vigilant and sceptical regarding this and budget cuts.  But speaking as a European, on the face of it, this is great news.

Despite its faults I think NASA is a great organisation, something that could certainly be improved, but something the US should be very proud of indeed so stop knocking it!  ESA has had some great success too with Huygens, Giotto etc.  Pooling resources for common goals must be the way forward as more advanced and human Mars exploration will be just too expensive for any one nation alone.

If this is done for the right reasons then its all very much in line with Carl Sagan&#039;s predictions of a Vision of the Human Future in Space.  And who knows - one day the Russians will be invited to join too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space buffs must be vigilant and sceptical regarding this and budget cuts.  But speaking as a European, on the face of it, this is great news.</p>
<p>Despite its faults I think NASA is a great organisation, something that could certainly be improved, but something the US should be very proud of indeed so stop knocking it!  ESA has had some great success too with Huygens, Giotto etc.  Pooling resources for common goals must be the way forward as more advanced and human Mars exploration will be just too expensive for any one nation alone.</p>
<p>If this is done for the right reasons then its all very much in line with Carl Sagan&#039;s predictions of a Vision of the Human Future in Space.  And who knows &#8211; one day the Russians will be invited to join too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This delay (of MSL) also means an opportunity of in the future having one Mars program for all the Earth...We have now gotten approval that in the future, NASA and ESA are going to work together to come up with a European-U.S. Mars architecture...That is, missions won&#039;t be NASA missions, they won&#039;t be ESA missions, they will be joint missions. We need to work together.&quot;

The crap heap comment of the day.  Absolute, pure, fancied, unadulterated excrement.     NASA never ponied up to the microphone so quickly for the good of planet Earth.  How touching.  Here&#039;s the reality.  The agency realizes it&#039;s tanked along with the rest of the US economy, so they need to figure out some way to survive.  When was the last time NASA ever cared about the good of planet Earth in such a public way??  Give me a break.  Excuse me while I go vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;This delay (of MSL) also means an opportunity of in the future having one Mars program for all the Earth&#8230;We have now gotten approval that in the future, NASA and ESA are going to work together to come up with a European-U.S. Mars architecture&#8230;That is, missions won&#039;t be NASA missions, they won&#039;t be ESA missions, they will be joint missions. We need to work together.&#034;</p>
<p>The crap heap comment of the day.  Absolute, pure, fancied, unadulterated excrement.     NASA never ponied up to the microphone so quickly for the good of planet Earth.  How touching.  Here&#039;s the reality.  The agency realizes it&#039;s tanked along with the rest of the US economy, so they need to figure out some way to survive.  When was the last time NASA ever cared about the good of planet Earth in such a public way??  Give me a break.  Excuse me while I go vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: maudyfish</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/04/future-missions-to-mars-will-be-joint-nasaesa-efforts/comment-page-2/#comment-45022</link>
		<dc:creator>maudyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maudyfish can&#039;t spell today, I apologize for my English........

The sentence should read......

LLDIAZ I&#039;ve read many of your comments and they are really bright, but do you believe that..........etc. etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maudyfish can&#039;t spell today, I apologize for my English&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>The sentence should read&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>LLDIAZ I&#039;ve read many of your comments and they are really bright, but do you believe that&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.etc. etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(slaming his fists on his bureau)...&quot;Ruff ruff ruff!!!&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(slaming his fists on his bureau)&#8230;&#034;Ruff ruff ruff!!!&#034;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: maudyfish</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/04/future-missions-to-mars-will-be-joint-nasaesa-efforts/comment-page-2/#comment-45012</link>
		<dc:creator>maudyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLDIAZ if read may of your comments and they are really bright, but to beleive that one person&#039;s speach really is the bottom of going to outer space is ludicrous!!

There is a fortune out there......... Need I give examples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLDIAZ if read may of your comments and they are really bright, but to beleive that one person&#039;s speach really is the bottom of going to outer space is ludicrous!!</p>
<p>There is a fortune out there&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Need I give examples?</p>
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		<title>By: LLDIAZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLDIAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see it space exploration got the funding it first needed not because countries wanted to be the first to the moon but because they wanted to be the first to &quot;SAY&quot; they went to the moon. Its all an ego trip when it comes down to it. So to even think that politics wont in some way interfere with there studies is wrong its all about politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it space exploration got the funding it first needed not because countries wanted to be the first to the moon but because they wanted to be the first to &#034;SAY&#034; they went to the moon. Its all an ego trip when it comes down to it. So to even think that politics wont in some way interfere with there studies is wrong its all about politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:

&quot;The costs of space travel/explaroation are only going to escalate...&quot;

Why? (other than perhaps economic inflation, which would affect *anything* you do)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:</p>
<p>&#034;The costs of space travel/explaroation are only going to escalate&#8230;&#034;</p>
<p>Why? (other than perhaps economic inflation, which would affect *anything* you do)</p>
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		<title>By: maudyfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>maudyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>........And I can just imagine what would have happened if pioneers waited for the government to give them the ok to move west!!

Get real Ross, privatization of future space endeavors will be the eventual step to take.  Otherwise we will remain just were we are struggling to get funding for this and that between funding wars, famines and politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;..And I can just imagine what would have happened if pioneers waited for the government to give them the ok to move west!!</p>
<p>Get real Ross, privatization of future space endeavors will be the eventual step to take.  Otherwise we will remain just were we are struggling to get funding for this and that between funding wars, famines and politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last comment may have come off sounding like a negitive bashing of the privet sector of space venue. It wasn&#039;t my intent. When I see or read about such thing like public space transport, I have to then ask myself, why? where are you going to go? what are you going to do with out an infrastructure to support such an industry. 5 minutes in L.E.O. isn&#039;t going to do anything except provide 5 minutes of fun for the ultra wealthy in the world which as I understand is only about 1-2% of the 6 billion world population. Would it have not been better to mass produce universal space probes to sell to space agencies around the world? Would it not have been more profitable to make a universal off the shelf idem that probe builders needed on a regular basis? I just see building CUSTOM probes as a real waste of money. Virgin galactic is just a publicity stunt, thats all I see it as. Medical is already to expencieve for people to afford, whats it going to cost for a med exam to buy a ticket to ride into space? and how many would qualify? The cost of trying to make space a public venue for work, bussness, or a vacation resort, it just rediculess at this point in time. The billions and billions spent on space would be better off spent in the improvment of launch equiptment like the shuttles launch tanks so we don&#039;t have more challenger incidents. We should invest in non-chemical launch vehicals and equiptment. Then start building the space infrastructure next. then all the rest should or would come along a little easier I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last comment may have come off sounding like a negitive bashing of the privet sector of space venue. It wasn&#039;t my intent. When I see or read about such thing like public space transport, I have to then ask myself, why? where are you going to go? what are you going to do with out an infrastructure to support such an industry. 5 minutes in L.E.O. isn&#039;t going to do anything except provide 5 minutes of fun for the ultra wealthy in the world which as I understand is only about 1-2% of the 6 billion world population. Would it have not been better to mass produce universal space probes to sell to space agencies around the world? Would it not have been more profitable to make a universal off the shelf idem that probe builders needed on a regular basis? I just see building CUSTOM probes as a real waste of money. Virgin galactic is just a publicity stunt, thats all I see it as. Medical is already to expencieve for people to afford, whats it going to cost for a med exam to buy a ticket to ride into space? and how many would qualify? The cost of trying to make space a public venue for work, bussness, or a vacation resort, it just rediculess at this point in time. The billions and billions spent on space would be better off spent in the improvment of launch equiptment like the shuttles launch tanks so we don&#039;t have more challenger incidents. We should invest in non-chemical launch vehicals and equiptment. Then start building the space infrastructure next. then all the rest should or would come along a little easier I think.</p>
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