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> <channel><title>Comments on: Rescued Moon Photos Restored to Unprecedented Detail</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:02:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Photos Restored</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-60957</link> <dc:creator>Photos Restored</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-60957</guid> <description>Lovely story - its so important to save these photographs. Be great to see a larger version of the mentioned photo...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.photos-restored.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Photo Restoration&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely story &#8211; its so important to save these photographs. Be great to see a larger version of the mentioned photo&#8230;</p><p><a
href="http://www.photos-restored.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Photo Restoration</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: marcellus</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40560</link> <dc:creator>marcellus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:56:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40560</guid> <description>Good for India to get a spacecraft in orbit around the Moon.In terms of cosmological timeframes, 40 plus years isn&#039;t too bad.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for India to get a spacecraft in orbit around the Moon.</p><p>In terms of cosmological timeframes, 40 plus years isn&#039;t too bad.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rey</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40504</link> <dc:creator>Rey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40504</guid> <description>John &amp; Nick, thanks!I imagine the original negatives aboard the spacecraft would have a &quot;better quality&quot; as they are the originals :D .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &amp; Nick, thanks!</p><p>I imagine the original negatives aboard the spacecraft would have a &#034;better quality&#034; as they are the originals <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John -- www.moonposter.ie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40492</link> <dc:creator>John -- www.moonposter.ie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40492</guid> <description>@NickNice one Nick...didn&#039;t know about the &quot;flying spot&quot; stuff and other info you mention. I think (as I&#039;m sure - given your knowledge on the subject is much more extensive) that the negative film was a fine-grained low contrast Kodak type, which meant that low graininess at HRes was assured. But I understand that not all went well with the developing stage, as bubbles on the negatives caused splotches/spots...etc., and sometimes the rollers for the film produced darkish bars across them. This, of course, led to parts of image data being lost in the end.The films onboard the Orbiters were scanned by Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) technology (each scan about 800 pixels), and when the data was received back in the lab (that is, was transmitted through the Deep Space Network to Earth), another CRT transformed the data into an image on 35-mm film. Together, the two CRT effects produced a final image on some with the &quot;venetian blind effect&quot;, as it was called (as mentioned above -- the image looks like it has a series of lines and variation in brightness across it).Cheers
John -- http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick</p><p>Nice one Nick&#8230;didn&#039;t know about the &#034;flying spot&#034; stuff and other info you mention. I think (as I&#039;m sure &#8211; given your knowledge on the subject is much more extensive) that the negative film was a fine-grained low contrast Kodak type, which meant that low graininess at HRes was assured. But I understand that not all went well with the developing stage, as bubbles on the negatives caused splotches/spots&#8230;etc., and sometimes the rollers for the film produced darkish bars across them. This, of course, led to parts of image data being lost in the end.</p><p>The films onboard the Orbiters were scanned by Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) technology (each scan about 800 pixels), and when the data was received back in the lab (that is, was transmitted through the Deep Space Network to Earth), another CRT transformed the data into an image on 35-mm film. Together, the two CRT effects produced a final image on some with the &#034;venetian blind effect&#034;, as it was called (as mentioned above &#8212; the image looks like it has a series of lines and variation in brightness across it).</p><p>Cheers<br
/> John &#8212; <a
href="http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bored...</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40457</link> <dc:creator>Bored...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:39:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40457</guid> <description>Tip: if you can pick it up on the cheap side somewhere, don&#039;t hesitate!http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/This book (including magnificent panorama fold outs) was a project for the 30th anniversary of the moon landings where Light got hold of the original photos so that they could be restored. (Some were in really bad shape: http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/text/digital_procedure.html )</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tip: if you can pick it up on the cheap side somewhere, don&#039;t hesitate!</p><p><a
href="http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/</a></p><p>This book (including magnificent panorama fold outs) was a project for the 30th anniversary of the moon landings where Light got hold of the original photos so that they could be restored. (Some were in really bad shape: <a
href="http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/text/digital_procedure.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaellight.net/fullmoon/text/digital_procedure.html</a> )</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ed</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40454</link> <dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:15:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40454</guid> <description>Best use for a McDonald&#039;s that *I* can think of.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best use for a McDonald&#039;s that *I* can think of.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Huygens</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40398</link> <dc:creator>Huygens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40398</guid> <description>I find it an interesting coincidence that this famous image of Earth from the Moon is being released just as India is about to land its first probe there.A little reminder of who got there first, perhaps?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it an interesting coincidence that this famous image of Earth from the Moon is being released just as India is about to land its first probe there.</p><p>A little reminder of who got there first, perhaps?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Mascall</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40370</link> <dc:creator>Nick Mascall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40370</guid> <description>Rey,The high resolution is available because (summarising the information from John&#039;s site) the probe system took 70mm photographs, developed them, then scanned the photographs and streamed the (probably analogue) scanning data straight back to NASA as it came from the instrument - there&#039;d be no way to store the image data on board in electronic form.So the resolution is limited only by the grain size of the photographic emulsion (pretty small for good-quality 1960s monochrome film), and the resolution of the scanning system. The best image-scanning systems available at the time were &#039;flying spot&#039;  sensors using either an electron beam (as in the TV camera tubes of the period), or a laser, as in the first systems built by astronomers in the 1960s to scan and digitise images on glass plate photographs. The very first imaging CCDs were built in about 1969, and wouldn&#039;t become competitive in this sort of application until the 1980s, at the earliest .The points to remember are that the image being scanned was large and high-resolution compared with the image formed in a TV camera, then or now, and since the image was a still, they could take all the time they wanted, within reason, to scan it at the highest possible resolution.The engineers who designed the system clearly wanted to capture all the data they possibly could, even though there was no way available (at the time, and within the budget) to reconstruct the images at full resolution.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rey,</p><p>The high resolution is available because (summarising the information from John&#039;s site) the probe system took 70mm photographs, developed them, then scanned the photographs and streamed the (probably analogue) scanning data straight back to NASA as it came from the instrument &#8211; there&#039;d be no way to store the image data on board in electronic form.</p><p>So the resolution is limited only by the grain size of the photographic emulsion (pretty small for good-quality 1960s monochrome film), and the resolution of the scanning system. The best image-scanning systems available at the time were &#039;flying spot&#039;  sensors using either an electron beam (as in the TV camera tubes of the period), or a laser, as in the first systems built by astronomers in the 1960s to scan and digitise images on glass plate photographs. The very first imaging CCDs were built in about 1969, and wouldn&#039;t become competitive in this sort of application until the 1980s, at the earliest .</p><p>The points to remember are that the image being scanned was large and high-resolution compared with the image formed in a TV camera, then or now, and since the image was a still, they could take all the time they wanted, within reason, to scan it at the highest possible resolution.</p><p>The engineers who designed the system clearly wanted to capture all the data they possibly could, even though there was no way available (at the time, and within the budget) to reconstruct the images at full resolution.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John -- www.moonposter.ie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40345</link> <dc:creator>John -- www.moonposter.ie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:27:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40345</guid> <description>@ReyHi Rey,The camera technology back then simply consisted of two cameras onboard each Orbiter -- a Medium Res and a High Res camera.Rather than go on about these, if you like, I have written some brief detail about these at my Moon site (see http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm)Cheers</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rey</p><p>Hi Rey,</p><p>The camera technology back then simply consisted of two cameras onboard each Orbiter &#8212; a Medium Res and a High Res camera.</p><p>Rather than go on about these, if you like, I have written some brief detail about these at my Moon site (see <a
href="http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm)</a></p><p>Cheers</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jamie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40322</link> <dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:22:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40322</guid> <description>@Dr Bubo, it&#039;s pretty damn obvious that is not the shadow of the moon, it&#039;s the terminator between the day and night on earth.
You know that thing that happens every day.....doh!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dr Bubo, it&#039;s pretty damn obvious that is not the shadow of the moon, it&#039;s the terminator between the day and night on earth.<br
/> You know that thing that happens every day&#8230;..doh!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rey</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40321</link> <dc:creator>Rey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:22:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40321</guid> <description>So, what technoloy were NASA using back in 1966 in the Lunar probes to catch those &quot;high res&quot; images? I assume CCD technology back then was primitive but I could be wrong. So what make them rival todays technology?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what technoloy were NASA using back in 1966 in the Lunar probes to catch those &#034;high res&#034; images? I assume CCD technology back then was primitive but I could be wrong. So what make them rival todays technology?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Bubo</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40300</link> <dc:creator>Dr Bubo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:37:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40300</guid> <description>The Moons Shadow is too big</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moons Shadow is too big</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ZomZom</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40285</link> <dc:creator>ZomZom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40285</guid> <description>So, which of the many links in this posting are the link to the photos of interest?  Could these posting please have the main link actually link to the subject of main interest?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, which of the many links in this posting are the link to the photos of interest?  Could these posting please have the main link actually link to the subject of main interest?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: meika</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40257</link> <dc:creator>meika</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:27:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40257</guid> <description>yeah, good to see that someone, somewhere in the world kept the tapes safe too, I wonder where that was?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, good to see that someone, somewhere in the world kept the tapes safe too, I wonder where that was?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dean</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/13/rescued-moon-photos-restored-to-unprecedented-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-40247</link> <dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:45:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=21050#comment-40247</guid> <description>It is great to see this type of history preserved.  Lunar Orbiter was a critical step in the success of Apollo and preserving these pics is preserving a part of Mankind&#039;s greatest adventure.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is great to see this type of history preserved.  Lunar Orbiter was a critical step in the success of Apollo and preserving these pics is preserving a part of Mankind&#039;s greatest adventure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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