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	<title>Comments on: Man Facing 15 Year Jail Term for Ripping Off NASA, Endangering Shuttle Crew</title>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Phil!  That was most succinct.  Republicans are always worried about their liberties being taken away by Democrats, while their Republican elected officials do just that.

Not only did Nixon try to dismantle NASA, he also took all the regulation away from the insurance companies, and helped make the mess that our health care system is. Oh and he started Amtrak because he always liked to play with trains... 

W did a lot of things people are mostly unaware of.  Read the Patriot Act sometime.  You can be arrested as a terrorist, and be locked up with no rights, if you are part of a peaceful demonstration.  That&#039;s removing your liberties and is unconstitutional!  

As Phil alluded to, people need to read more facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Phil!  That was most succinct.  Republicans are always worried about their liberties being taken away by Democrats, while their Republican elected officials do just that.</p>
<p>Not only did Nixon try to dismantle NASA, he also took all the regulation away from the insurance companies, and helped make the mess that our health care system is. Oh and he started Amtrak because he always liked to play with trains&#8230; </p>
<p>W did a lot of things people are mostly unaware of.  Read the Patriot Act sometime.  You can be arrested as a terrorist, and be locked up with no rights, if you are part of a peaceful demonstration.  That&#039;s removing your liberties and is unconstitutional!  </p>
<p>As Phil alluded to, people need to read more facts.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BHC, a &quot;six-pack&quot; was always six cans of beer or soda.  When referring to abs, they are saying they look like a six-pack of cans.

I think the Joe the Plumber reference was right on.  The guy doesn&#039;t have a plumber&#039;s licence and he didn&#039;t pay his taxes!  Not the kind of guy I want working on my pipes.

Two more socialist things we enjoy are the US Mail and NASA!

I&#039;m sure Fraser could come here and tell us how nice it is to have socialized health care, because as a self employed person in the US, I don&#039;t have any!

I enjoyed the article Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BHC, a &#034;six-pack&#034; was always six cans of beer or soda.  When referring to abs, they are saying they look like a six-pack of cans.</p>
<p>I think the Joe the Plumber reference was right on.  The guy doesn&#039;t have a plumber&#039;s licence and he didn&#039;t pay his taxes!  Not the kind of guy I want working on my pipes.</p>
<p>Two more socialist things we enjoy are the US Mail and NASA!</p>
<p>I&#039;m sure Fraser could come here and tell us how nice it is to have socialized health care, because as a self employed person in the US, I don&#039;t have any!</p>
<p>I enjoyed the article Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Downie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, 

Interesting article, thanks for writing. I also think people are taking themselves just a wee bit too seriously. It&#039;s a quip folks, not the communist manifesto. Space geeks of the world unite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, </p>
<p>Interesting article, thanks for writing. I also think people are taking themselves just a wee bit too seriously. It&#039;s a quip folks, not the communist manifesto. Space geeks of the world unite!</p>
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		<title>By: Dregnaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dregnaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Job Ian!

Conflict and controversy sales.  If you want to make a lot of money and impression those around you in a Capitalist society you need these components in whatever you do.   The Davinci Code sold because you have the religious side and the non religious (which the religious side would call, atheists, savages, etc.).  This is just one of many examples. 

If&#039;s funny how republicans can go around calling people terrorists because there name is not fitting into the standard of American society, but when Joe the plumber gets a little Saturday Night Live joke, the republicans go ballistic.

This is the best thing that has ever happened to Joe the Plumber.  The guys famous, yeah he gets ridiculed, but that keeps the flame alive.  He should open his business while the flame is still hot.  It is awesome advertising.  I wonder how many people would be willing to finance his start up costs because he is so famous now.  

Good luck Ian keep using politics in your articles, and bye bye to the narrow minded readers that have left this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Job Ian!</p>
<p>Conflict and controversy sales.  If you want to make a lot of money and impression those around you in a Capitalist society you need these components in whatever you do.   The Davinci Code sold because you have the religious side and the non religious (which the religious side would call, atheists, savages, etc.).  This is just one of many examples. </p>
<p>If&#039;s funny how republicans can go around calling people terrorists because there name is not fitting into the standard of American society, but when Joe the plumber gets a little Saturday Night Live joke, the republicans go ballistic.</p>
<p>This is the best thing that has ever happened to Joe the Plumber.  The guys famous, yeah he gets ridiculed, but that keeps the flame alive.  He should open his business while the flame is still hot.  It is awesome advertising.  I wonder how many people would be willing to finance his start up costs because he is so famous now.  </p>
<p>Good luck Ian keep using politics in your articles, and bye bye to the narrow minded readers that have left this site.</p>
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		<title>By: alandee</title>
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		<dc:creator>alandee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Says: / Michael Says: / dollhopf Says: / Joe Says: / Helen Says : etc etc ... 

Americans talking politics scare me.
Try Australia&#039;s compulsory voting system .. you&#039;ll soon learn to be apathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Says: / Michael Says: / dollhopf Says: / Joe Says: / Helen Says : etc etc &#8230; </p>
<p>Americans talking politics scare me.<br />
Try Australia&#039;s compulsory voting system .. you&#039;ll soon learn to be apathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people would keep their right wing garbage out of everything. You lost, now get over it...you know, like Gore did. Cry Babies. Is the world going to end now?

Right wing presidents have ALWAYS taken money away from NASA. Every one of them. Pay attention to the world around you. During the Apollo missions, no astronaut wanted to interview with Nixon because he was destroying the program. Putting down the ax and standing there for the photo op. What a liar.
NASA is groups of many people working together to accomplish a common goal. If that&#039;s too social for you, go to the Congo and build your own little Republic. The taxes are incredibly low there. You don&#039;t have to worry about green cards for the low paid servants.

You wouldn&#039;t stand for crap parts on the next plane you get on. RIGHT?
This guy BROKE THE LAW, LIED, ENDAGERED PEOPLES LIVES AND A LOT OF TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Should he have had a blowie for you to get upset about it?????
This guy is a TRAITOR to this country. He should be treated as such. Someone this old knows better. He needs NASA to baby sit his work? WOW. This is where capitalist greed leads. Now people are defending him because he comes from a Republican company? How ignorant. They are traitors too. I hope this company doesn’t build airline parts.

Yes, get mad about. Cry and hiss. Then run away....far away. So no one has to deal with this Nazi crap anymore.

When it comes to socialism /capitalism it&#039;s amazing how ignorant people are. A Communist is a Capitalist who hates to Social matters. Those who cry commie are the ones who act like it.

Everyone needs to quit being spoon fed by their propaganda machines and pay attention, research and learn on their own. Without someone else telling them how to feel and think. Scientists don’t rely on the news or e-mails there mommy sends them. Gets the facts, think, research, prove then open the mouth. Why so many get it backwards?

Stupidity shines when some acts as a criminal. Then someone writes about it and gives an analogy to explain it. The writer is treated like the criminal should and the criminal is ignored and even defended? Go get an education and learn on your own. This kind of attitude in people minds makes it seen as though Geobbels is still around.

Thank God we have a President now that cares about the program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people would keep their right wing garbage out of everything. You lost, now get over it&#8230;you know, like Gore did. Cry Babies. Is the world going to end now?</p>
<p>Right wing presidents have ALWAYS taken money away from NASA. Every one of them. Pay attention to the world around you. During the Apollo missions, no astronaut wanted to interview with Nixon because he was destroying the program. Putting down the ax and standing there for the photo op. What a liar.<br />
NASA is groups of many people working together to accomplish a common goal. If that&#039;s too social for you, go to the Congo and build your own little Republic. The taxes are incredibly low there. You don&#039;t have to worry about green cards for the low paid servants.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#039;t stand for crap parts on the next plane you get on. RIGHT?<br />
This guy BROKE THE LAW, LIED, ENDAGERED PEOPLES LIVES AND A LOT OF TAX PAYERS DOLLARS! Should he have had a blowie for you to get upset about it?????<br />
This guy is a TRAITOR to this country. He should be treated as such. Someone this old knows better. He needs NASA to baby sit his work? WOW. This is where capitalist greed leads. Now people are defending him because he comes from a Republican company? How ignorant. They are traitors too. I hope this company doesn’t build airline parts.</p>
<p>Yes, get mad about. Cry and hiss. Then run away&#8230;.far away. So no one has to deal with this Nazi crap anymore.</p>
<p>When it comes to socialism /capitalism it&#039;s amazing how ignorant people are. A Communist is a Capitalist who hates to Social matters. Those who cry commie are the ones who act like it.</p>
<p>Everyone needs to quit being spoon fed by their propaganda machines and pay attention, research and learn on their own. Without someone else telling them how to feel and think. Scientists don’t rely on the news or e-mails there mommy sends them. Gets the facts, think, research, prove then open the mouth. Why so many get it backwards?</p>
<p>Stupidity shines when some acts as a criminal. Then someone writes about it and gives an analogy to explain it. The writer is treated like the criminal should and the criminal is ignored and even defended? Go get an education and learn on your own. This kind of attitude in people minds makes it seen as though Geobbels is still around.</p>
<p>Thank God we have a President now that cares about the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Stellare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stellare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the space shuttle or space crafts are being built is highly relevant for this site. Security in space is also highly relevant. So your article is well within the scope and profile of UT.

Take the comments, of all sorts, as a compliment. Silence is the killer. :-)

I can&#039;t see how your mildly ironic humor could ignite the &#039;hate&#039;. It must be the readers responsibility entirely, these reactions here.

Your article is highly relevant and well written. That is all. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the space shuttle or space crafts are being built is highly relevant for this site. Security in space is also highly relevant. So your article is well within the scope and profile of UT.</p>
<p>Take the comments, of all sorts, as a compliment. Silence is the killer. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can&#039;t see how your mildly ironic humor could ignite the &#039;hate&#039;. It must be the readers responsibility entirely, these reactions here.</p>
<p>Your article is highly relevant and well written. That is all. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carl the Kiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl the Kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian - you must be rolling in the aisles reading all of this garbage from failed 8th graders, who are crying over your &quot;joe the plumber&quot; comment. He was very dodgy that guy, and to see him on fox news pitching a country and western album was too much.
 By the way did I mention how much I enjoy reading UT? I prefer to read the UT over space.com as the space.com website seems too crowded. 
By bringing this shoddy workmanship to the attention of &quot;THE WORLD&quot; as you might say, you may have helped prevent another Challenger/Columbia style incident. And absolutely no one would want to see another of those - not even our friend &quot;Joe the Plumber&quot;.
P.S I am a member of the New Zealand Space Flight association. Have a look at our website if you have time. Unfortunately we dont have a guest book just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian &#8211; you must be rolling in the aisles reading all of this garbage from failed 8th graders, who are crying over your &#034;joe the plumber&#034; comment. He was very dodgy that guy, and to see him on fox news pitching a country and western album was too much.<br />
 By the way did I mention how much I enjoy reading UT? I prefer to read the UT over space.com as the space.com website seems too crowded.<br />
By bringing this shoddy workmanship to the attention of &#034;THE WORLD&#034; as you might say, you may have helped prevent another Challenger/Columbia style incident. And absolutely no one would want to see another of those &#8211; not even our friend &#034;Joe the Plumber&#034;.<br />
P.S I am a member of the New Zealand Space Flight association. Have a look at our website if you have time. Unfortunately we dont have a guest book just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoddy workmanship is the thrust here - and it was apparent during the election that Joe the Plumber stood for just that.  Unlicensed, overstating his need for a loan or money, representing the bad risks that lenders underwrote, he smells like a bad risk.

Spacecraft leave little room for fudge factors.  If design, analysis, testing and certification indicates that a given part must withstand a loading of X, NASA is not likely to specify 2X when that could double the weight.  A weld, yielding a reduction in strength of 40%, constitutes a SEVERE RISK. 

The shuttle is not like your pickup truck.  A failure will likely be catastrophic onboard the shuttle, and it seems to me SIMPLE to avoid this sort of negligence.  

A 1/2 million dollar fine pales in comparison to the cost of a lost spacecraft, to make no mention of the lives put at risk.  This guy is getting off lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoddy workmanship is the thrust here &#8211; and it was apparent during the election that Joe the Plumber stood for just that.  Unlicensed, overstating his need for a loan or money, representing the bad risks that lenders underwrote, he smells like a bad risk.</p>
<p>Spacecraft leave little room for fudge factors.  If design, analysis, testing and certification indicates that a given part must withstand a loading of X, NASA is not likely to specify 2X when that could double the weight.  A weld, yielding a reduction in strength of 40%, constitutes a SEVERE RISK. </p>
<p>The shuttle is not like your pickup truck.  A failure will likely be catastrophic onboard the shuttle, and it seems to me SIMPLE to avoid this sort of negligence.  </p>
<p>A 1/2 million dollar fine pales in comparison to the cost of a lost spacecraft, to make no mention of the lives put at risk.  This guy is getting off lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ian, I&#039;m from Germany, so English isn&#039;t my first language. It goes more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY
But still I really like reading UT because of the simple and straight forward way of writting on this side. This makes it easy for me to understand. I didn&#039;t get your choke, because I don&#039;t know this Joe guy, but I understand, that it was ment as a choke, an opener, and I simply read the main part of the article. I don&#039;t know, why people get so angry about it. I think they are just crazy, so keep on writting your very own style!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ian, I&#039;m from Germany, so English isn&#039;t my first language. It goes more like this: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY</a><br />
But still I really like reading UT because of the simple and straight forward way of writting on this side. This makes it easy for me to understand. I didn&#039;t get your choke, because I don&#039;t know this Joe guy, but I understand, that it was ment as a choke, an opener, and I simply read the main part of the article. I don&#039;t know, why people get so angry about it. I think they are just crazy, so keep on writting your very own style!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you guys are a bunch of babies. 

Great article, Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you guys are a bunch of babies. </p>
<p>Great article, Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunnter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunnter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is pretty damn hilarious that so many people are crying over the Joe The Plumber comment.

&quot;oh wah, i think i might remove UT from my bookmarks because of that one comment&quot;
What, are you guys 12 or something?
Grow up. Seriously.

As the common phrase goes, &quot;And nothing of value was lost.&quot;
Enjoy finding another site.  We will all be here loving UT =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is pretty damn hilarious that so many people are crying over the Joe The Plumber comment.</p>
<p>&#034;oh wah, i think i might remove UT from my bookmarks because of that one comment&#034;<br />
What, are you guys 12 or something?<br />
Grow up. Seriously.</p>
<p>As the common phrase goes, &#034;And nothing of value was lost.&#034;<br />
Enjoy finding another site.  We will all be here loving UT =)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago I worked for a subcontractor on Apollo 11 and we were scared of the NASA Inspectors visiting our facility. They generally showed up in 3 piece suits with spit shine shoes and attache cases, and they went through every detail concerning the state of the project. They did not fool around with contractors and they were always dead serious. To bad NASA&#039;s budget no longer can afford quality inspectors like we had back then and it was the main reason that NASA was successful in putting Americans on the moon on July 20, 1969.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I worked for a subcontractor on Apollo 11 and we were scared of the NASA Inspectors visiting our facility. They generally showed up in 3 piece suits with spit shine shoes and attache cases, and they went through every detail concerning the state of the project. They did not fool around with contractors and they were always dead serious. To bad NASA&#039;s budget no longer can afford quality inspectors like we had back then and it was the main reason that NASA was successful in putting Americans on the moon on July 20, 1969.</p>
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		<title>By: Freiddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;getting involved in a political debate in the US is like being thrown into a pit of lions that haven&#039;t been fed for weeks.&quot;

Absolutely. I love this quote. In addition, I&#039;m proud that you stand by your words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;getting involved in a political debate in the US is like being thrown into a pit of lions that haven&#039;t been fed for weeks.&#034;</p>
<p>Absolutely. I love this quote. In addition, I&#039;m proud that you stand by your words.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dollhopf:- 

&quot;&lt;em&gt;one of the best O&#039;Neill articles ever&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Lol, thank you. Was supposed to be a comment, turned into a novel :o

@David R.:-

I think I need some Hendrix right now! Thank goodness I didn&#039;t relate the article to &quot;Bob the Builder&quot;, now that would have been a HUGE mistake. Bob is known for his excellent &quot;can do&quot; attitude ;) 

Bob says, &quot;&lt;em&gt;Can we fix it? Yes we can!&lt;/em&gt;&quot; (as BHC and S.E.Cycloid have already mentioned, Bob&#039;s slogan sounds pretty familiar...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_the_Builder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dollhopf:- </p>
<p>&#034;<em>one of the best O&#039;Neill articles ever</em>&#034;</p>
<p>Lol, thank you. Was supposed to be a comment, turned into a novel <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@David R.:-</p>
<p>I think I need some Hendrix right now! Thank goodness I didn&#039;t relate the article to &#034;Bob the Builder&#034;, now that would have been a HUGE mistake. Bob is known for his excellent &#034;can do&#034; attitude <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Bob says, &#034;<em>Can we fix it? Yes we can!</em>&#034; (as BHC and S.E.Cycloid have already mentioned, Bob&#039;s slogan sounds pretty familiar&#8230;)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_the_Builder" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_the_Builder</a></p>
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		<title>By: David R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ian, good article, good information.  

I seem to remember another Joe before the election...and he inspired a song that still sounds pretty good...Jimi Hendrix is just what this angry mob needs right about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ian, good article, good information.  </p>
<p>I seem to remember another Joe before the election&#8230;and he inspired a song that still sounds pretty good&#8230;Jimi Hendrix is just what this angry mob needs right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a shame Michael. Just for the record, I am just one contributor to the Universe Today. Fraser has maintained this site for a decade and worked very hard to bring space news to the web for free. Why my opinions in the comment section of one of my articles should have any bearing on whether you read UT or not is mystifying.

I&#039;m not worried about politics, I&#039;m not overly concerned with business (so long as I generate readers for UT) - as I&#039;ve said, I don&#039;t favour one political party over another. I have my views on who has the best policies insofar as space exploration is concerned, but I keep those opinions on my own space science blog.

This notion that &lt;em&gt;politics has nothing to do with space exploration&lt;/em&gt; amazes me. The vast majority of UT news is not political, our team tries to pull together the best space science news possible. Why the overreaction when something vaguely political is mentioned? Should I really be chastised for making an off-the-cuff, lighthearted comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s a shame Michael. Just for the record, I am just one contributor to the Universe Today. Fraser has maintained this site for a decade and worked very hard to bring space news to the web for free. Why my opinions in the comment section of one of my articles should have any bearing on whether you read UT or not is mystifying.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not worried about politics, I&#039;m not overly concerned with business (so long as I generate readers for UT) &#8211; as I&#039;ve said, I don&#039;t favour one political party over another. I have my views on who has the best policies insofar as space exploration is concerned, but I keep those opinions on my own space science blog.</p>
<p>This notion that <em>politics has nothing to do with space exploration</em> amazes me. The vast majority of UT news is not political, our team tries to pull together the best space science news possible. Why the overreaction when something vaguely political is mentioned? Should I really be chastised for making an off-the-cuff, lighthearted comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian your right.  I hope thats good enough for you because I&#039;m droping universe today as of now.  That was your goal right?  Tip- I&#039;d worry less about politics and more about business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian your right.  I hope thats good enough for you because I&#039;m droping universe today as of now.  That was your goal right?  Tip- I&#039;d worry less about politics and more about business.</p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Group Process, Group Decision, Group Action&quot; by Robert S. Baron

I found it again a few days ago in the trash while cleaning up my personal library 

it explains so much of what is going on here. This is no recommentation, of course, because since then there was so many more literature about our f&#039;ng daily (mis - whatever that might be)behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Group Process, Group Decision, Group Action&#034; by Robert S. Baron</p>
<p>I found it again a few days ago in the trash while cleaning up my personal library </p>
<p>it explains so much of what is going on here. This is no recommentation, of course, because since then there was so many more literature about our f&#039;ng daily (mis &#8211; whatever that might be)behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian O&#039;Neill Says:
November 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm 


one of the best O&#039;Neill articles ever</description>
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November 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm </p>
<p>one of the best O&#039;Neill articles ever</p>
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		<title>By: Ian O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Now I&#039;ve worked out a secret formula for getting my articles read!&lt;/em&gt;

A couple of days ago I write about an educational experiment that will enrich science in the classroom by sending a biology payload to the ISS. What happens? A few hundred hits and someone complaining that the ISS should be used for something useful (plus a mini debate with Jorge, thanks Jorge!).

Then I write about a shoddy contractor (and yes, from the source material he has been accused of being shoddy and will, most likely, go to jail - I was very careful not to say he had already been proven guilty, &#039;cuz he hasn&#039;t). I make a mildly funny remark about the only plumber I knew most people would recognise. And *BOOM* approaching 40 comments and nearly 2000 hits. (And I did this without even thinking.)

OK, to answer some concerns:
1) I&#039;m British, I&#039;ve just moved to the US (and this site is based in Canada). I use British humour, which I make no apologies for.
2) I have obviously poked right into the heart of some raw tensions still seething after the elections. Woops.
3) I am neither &quot;right&quot;, &quot;left&quot;, communist, socialist, or Marxist. I couldn&#039;t vote this time around, but I&#039;ll be sure to let you know when I make up my mind.
4) Wasn&#039;t it the Republicans who threw &quot;Joe the plumber&quot; into the limelight? Wasn&#039;t it McCain and Palin who used Joe as a desperate ploy to discredit Obama&#039;s tax initiatives? I am pretty sure the Republican press has become rather upset about the election loss and have begun representing the whole &quot;Joe the Plumber&quot; thing in a different light. 
5) How do I know Joe is shoddy? I don&#039;t, I&#039;m simply relating this article to the popular media and their views on the whole &quot;no licence&quot; debacle (whether that is even accurate as Joe didn&#039;t need a licence, debatable at best). 
6) Although this is a space blog, occasionally politics crops up (yes, really). As this is a blog, I am actually allowed (believe it or not) to speak my opinions... and I&#039;m allowed to be funny (or at least try to be).
7) I&#039;m not ashamed of myself. Well, no more than I should be on a day-to-day basis!
8 ) I have the amazing freedom to blog on this wonderful site. Occasionally I might get it wrong, but I&#039;ll never be unduly unfair or offensive. Regardless of your politics, an off-the-cuff remark (whether it is seen as pro-Obama or anti-McCain) such as this is pretty tame compared with what&#039;s been said these past few weeks.

It&#039;s a shame so many of you have seen fit to make personal attacks at me (and no, I didn&#039;t make a personal attack on Joe, I don&#039;t know the guy - &quot;Joe the Plumber&quot; has become synonymous with the media as being &quot;dodgy&quot;). A few comments have been removed because of the limited nature of their vocabulary. 

Well, I&#039;ll leave it at that. As I&#039;m quickly learning, getting involved in a political debate in the US is like being thrown into a pit of lions that haven&#039;t been fed for weeks. No matter how knowledgeable you are, you&#039;ll never change anyone&#039;s mind. So, open the flood gates again, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve just ignited some more anti-socialist/anti-Obama/anti-me remarks.

Cheers, Ian ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Now I&#039;ve worked out a secret formula for getting my articles read!</em></p>
<p>A couple of days ago I write about an educational experiment that will enrich science in the classroom by sending a biology payload to the ISS. What happens? A few hundred hits and someone complaining that the ISS should be used for something useful (plus a mini debate with Jorge, thanks Jorge!).</p>
<p>Then I write about a shoddy contractor (and yes, from the source material he has been accused of being shoddy and will, most likely, go to jail &#8211; I was very careful not to say he had already been proven guilty, &#039;cuz he hasn&#039;t). I make a mildly funny remark about the only plumber I knew most people would recognise. And *BOOM* approaching 40 comments and nearly 2000 hits. (And I did this without even thinking.)</p>
<p>OK, to answer some concerns:<br />
1) I&#039;m British, I&#039;ve just moved to the US (and this site is based in Canada). I use British humour, which I make no apologies for.<br />
2) I have obviously poked right into the heart of some raw tensions still seething after the elections. Woops.<br />
3) I am neither &#034;right&#034;, &#034;left&#034;, communist, socialist, or Marxist. I couldn&#039;t vote this time around, but I&#039;ll be sure to let you know when I make up my mind.<br />
4) Wasn&#039;t it the Republicans who threw &#034;Joe the plumber&#034; into the limelight? Wasn&#039;t it McCain and Palin who used Joe as a desperate ploy to discredit Obama&#039;s tax initiatives? I am pretty sure the Republican press has become rather upset about the election loss and have begun representing the whole &#034;Joe the Plumber&#034; thing in a different light.<br />
5) How do I know Joe is shoddy? I don&#039;t, I&#039;m simply relating this article to the popular media and their views on the whole &#034;no licence&#034; debacle (whether that is even accurate as Joe didn&#039;t need a licence, debatable at best).<br />
6) Although this is a space blog, occasionally politics crops up (yes, really). As this is a blog, I am actually allowed (believe it or not) to speak my opinions&#8230; and I&#039;m allowed to be funny (or at least try to be).<br />
7) I&#039;m not ashamed of myself. Well, no more than I should be on a day-to-day basis!<br />
8 ) I have the amazing freedom to blog on this wonderful site. Occasionally I might get it wrong, but I&#039;ll never be unduly unfair or offensive. Regardless of your politics, an off-the-cuff remark (whether it is seen as pro-Obama or anti-McCain) such as this is pretty tame compared with what&#039;s been said these past few weeks.</p>
<p>It&#039;s a shame so many of you have seen fit to make personal attacks at me (and no, I didn&#039;t make a personal attack on Joe, I don&#039;t know the guy &#8211; &#034;Joe the Plumber&#034; has become synonymous with the media as being &#034;dodgy&#034;). A few comments have been removed because of the limited nature of their vocabulary. </p>
<p>Well, I&#039;ll leave it at that. As I&#039;m quickly learning, getting involved in a political debate in the US is like being thrown into a pit of lions that haven&#039;t been fed for weeks. No matter how knowledgeable you are, you&#039;ll never change anyone&#039;s mind. So, open the flood gates again, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve just ignited some more anti-socialist/anti-Obama/anti-me remarks.</p>
<p>Cheers, Ian <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe

you wrote:

&quot;When it comes to discussions of capitalism and socialism, right-wingers need to go back to school. I&#039;m surprised right-wingers even read this Science website - after all; republicans are the party of &quot;creationism&quot;. Ever stop to think that educated people have just had it up to here with this right-wing creationism crap and the republican party&#039;s continual attack on science?&quot;


You know what? You contradict yourself. Because evolution cannot be planned. There will be no other proof of your alleged &quot;imperfection&quot; of the &quot;right-wingers&quot; than their factual extinction from the face of the earth. But you know what? In four or eight years everything will have changed again. That is not necessarilly so, but experience tells me that it will be.

I give you a hint: enjoy your individual conformance with current political trend as long as you can und ride the wave as long as it is possible. Because CHANGE is a bitch. Today change loves you. Tomorrow you are abandoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe</p>
<p>you wrote:</p>
<p>&#034;When it comes to discussions of capitalism and socialism, right-wingers need to go back to school. I&#039;m surprised right-wingers even read this Science website &#8211; after all; republicans are the party of &#034;creationism&#034;. Ever stop to think that educated people have just had it up to here with this right-wing creationism crap and the republican party&#039;s continual attack on science?&#034;</p>
<p>You know what? You contradict yourself. Because evolution cannot be planned. There will be no other proof of your alleged &#034;imperfection&#034; of the &#034;right-wingers&#034; than their factual extinction from the face of the earth. But you know what? In four or eight years everything will have changed again. That is not necessarilly so, but experience tells me that it will be.</p>
<p>I give you a hint: enjoy your individual conformance with current political trend as long as you can und ride the wave as long as it is possible. Because CHANGE is a bitch. Today change loves you. Tomorrow you are abandoned.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This shouldn&#039;t be a single sided argument.  Reporting should be from both sides of the story.... Your story is single sided. 
You put this in your story &quot;If he is convicted&quot;.  You clearly have convicted this person without a trial. 


I think the passion of your post may be powered by the tragic losses in the past. I understand but give the guy a chance to defend himself.  

Nasa did purchase from the guy. He can&#039;t be a total screw up. Its not like they goto the space craft parts store to get these parts. They contract with these people. They chose him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This shouldn&#039;t be a single sided argument.  Reporting should be from both sides of the story&#8230;. Your story is single sided.<br />
You put this in your story &#034;If he is convicted&#034;.  You clearly have convicted this person without a trial. </p>
<p>I think the passion of your post may be powered by the tragic losses in the past. I understand but give the guy a chance to defend himself.  </p>
<p>Nasa did purchase from the guy. He can&#039;t be a total screw up. Its not like they goto the space craft parts store to get these parts. They contract with these people. They chose him.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunnter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunnter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad you mentioned that BHC, these phrases have been around for a very long time.

Average Joe is another common one.
Knock-off Nigel also comes to mind.  Damn catchy ads.

Also, thanks for the link Maxwell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad you mentioned that BHC, these phrases have been around for a very long time.</p>
<p>Average Joe is another common one.<br />
Knock-off Nigel also comes to mind.  Damn catchy ads.</p>
<p>Also, thanks for the link Maxwell.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With very few exceptions, space is a socialized adventure. Space X, for example, is closing-in on where the socialized NASA effort was fifty years ago. NASA is flying rings around Saturn. 

If NASA used an unlicensed plumber to build spacestation  plumbing with uncertified welds; it might be cheaper; but likely not as safe. When NASA pays the premium for certified parts but ends up with uncertified welds; someone, somewhere is criminally responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With very few exceptions, space is a socialized adventure. Space X, for example, is closing-in on where the socialized NASA effort was fifty years ago. NASA is flying rings around Saturn. </p>
<p>If NASA used an unlicensed plumber to build spacestation  plumbing with uncertified welds; it might be cheaper; but likely not as safe. When NASA pays the premium for certified parts but ends up with uncertified welds; someone, somewhere is criminally responsible.</p>
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