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	<title>Comments on: Europa Submarine Prototype Gets Another Test</title>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/12/europa-submarine-prototype-gets-another-test/comment-page-1/#comment-40407</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jamie Kitchen

3.5km is about correct. Lake Vostok is really deep down below.

there may be ways to go without too much pressure protection if there are no humans to protect. i think they can build the equipment such that is works under high pressure.

I am one of the &quot;anti nuclear folks&quot; (in my case, german greens), because I think it is too dirty and dangerous to be used for terrestrial power production, where there are other possibilities. In space exploration there are none (for the most part), so I think it&#039;s inevitable there. They should try not to blow up on launch though…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jamie Kitchen</p>
<p>3.5km is about correct. Lake Vostok is really deep down below.</p>
<p>there may be ways to go without too much pressure protection if there are no humans to protect. i think they can build the equipment such that is works under high pressure.</p>
<p>I am one of the &#034;anti nuclear folks&#034; (in my case, german greens), because I think it is too dirty and dangerous to be used for terrestrial power production, where there are other possibilities. In space exploration there are none (for the most part), so I think it&#039;s inevitable there. They should try not to blow up on launch though…</p>
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		<title>By: Amazing Floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/12/europa-submarine-prototype-gets-another-test/comment-page-1/#comment-40197</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazing Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be great if life were discovered on another body  during Obamas first term!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#039;t it be great if life were discovered on another body  during Obamas first term!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/12/europa-submarine-prototype-gets-another-test/comment-page-1/#comment-40147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going out on a limb here, but is the 3.5 km of ice on lake Vostok a typo or is it one of the &#039;lakes&#039; that reside under the ice sheet?

Another thought. The pressure that must reside under 6 km of ice even on the reduced gravity load of Europa must be intense. The pressure shell required will be heavy, even with the use of ceramics etc. Combine that with the nuclear reactor to produce enough heat to melt the channel for the sub to descend through and you have a honking big mass to throw towards Jupiter. 

Not to mention the anti nuclear folks are going to go over the top on this one.

On a positive note, maybe we actually have a use for the Ares V rocket after all.

Jamie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going out on a limb here, but is the 3.5 km of ice on lake Vostok a typo or is it one of the &#039;lakes&#039; that reside under the ice sheet?</p>
<p>Another thought. The pressure that must reside under 6 km of ice even on the reduced gravity load of Europa must be intense. The pressure shell required will be heavy, even with the use of ceramics etc. Combine that with the nuclear reactor to produce enough heat to melt the channel for the sub to descend through and you have a honking big mass to throw towards Jupiter. </p>
<p>Not to mention the anti nuclear folks are going to go over the top on this one.</p>
<p>On a positive note, maybe we actually have a use for the Ares V rocket after all.</p>
<p>Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is, Has anyone ever even detected the elements hydrogen and oxygen, on Europa yet? If not, it might make for a more sound judgement, financially speaking, to first see if the elements themselves are even there. If their not, there wont be no point for even bothering with sending a sub there to look for something that has to have those elements to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is, Has anyone ever even detected the elements hydrogen and oxygen, on Europa yet? If not, it might make for a more sound judgement, financially speaking, to first see if the elements themselves are even there. If their not, there wont be no point for even bothering with sending a sub there to look for something that has to have those elements to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Maugrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maugrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLDIAZ, exploring the antarctic lakes is a scientific end in itself. I imagine the robot was built for that as much as anything.

Also, while we&#039;re not yet certain that there&#039;s a subsurface ocean on Europa, the chances (from what we&#039;ve observed so far) appear very high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLDIAZ, exploring the antarctic lakes is a scientific end in itself. I imagine the robot was built for that as much as anything.</p>
<p>Also, while we&#039;re not yet certain that there&#039;s a subsurface ocean on Europa, the chances (from what we&#039;ve observed so far) appear very high.</p>
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		<title>By: LLDIAZ</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/11/12/europa-submarine-prototype-gets-another-test/comment-page-1/#comment-39977</link>
		<dc:creator>LLDIAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>( a low orbit spacecraft to determine the presence (or absence) of a liquid water ocean under Europa&#039;s ice surface.)

So they build a robot to go explore an ocean that they dont know if it even exists?
 thats smart...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>( a low orbit spacecraft to determine the presence (or absence) of a liquid water ocean under Europa&#039;s ice surface.)</p>
<p>So they build a robot to go explore an ocean that they dont know if it even exists?<br />
 thats smart&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clan Chattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clan Chattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great.  One small hop-skip-jump for man &amp; his robots!  Good luck to him/her/it.  ( Ships are &#039;she&#039;, what are robot explorers called?   The one annoying thing is that I started writing a Sci-Fi story a while ago about intelegent robots exploring Europa &amp; Antarctica.  Too late I&#039;ll just have to ditch this story line !  Or write faster.  They have not discovered the aliens from Io also exploring Europa yet. Watch this space!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great.  One small hop-skip-jump for man &amp; his robots!  Good luck to him/her/it.  ( Ships are &#039;she&#039;, what are robot explorers called?   The one annoying thing is that I started writing a Sci-Fi story a while ago about intelegent robots exploring Europa &amp; Antarctica.  Too late I&#039;ll just have to ditch this story line !  Or write faster.  They have not discovered the aliens from Io also exploring Europa yet. Watch this space!.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Sheehy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Sheehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPE
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPE<br />
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE<br />
USE THEM TOGETHER<br />
USE THEM IN PEACE</p>
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