Comments on: Google and NASA are Working on an Interplanetary Internet http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:11:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Si http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38171 Si Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:04:33 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38171 .com.mars .co.uk.earth anyone?! .com.mars
.co.uk.earth

anyone?!

]]> By: Hunnter http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38151 Hunnter Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:16:35 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38151 @Knowmonger: Make that 3 girls 1 torus @Knowmonger:

Make that 3 girls 1 torus

]]> By: Chris http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38104 Chris Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:32:28 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38104 Umm - The Light Of Other Days comes to mind... Umm – The Light Of Other Days comes to mind…

]]> By: Knowmonger http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38103 Knowmonger Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:29:31 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38103 Welcome to Interplanetary "2 girls 1 cup" !! lol Welcome to Interplanetary "2 girls 1 cup" !! lol

]]> By: Sci-Fi Si http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38043 Sci-Fi Si Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:51:08 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38043 "The project started 10 years ago as an attempt to figure out what kind of technical networking standards " Yikes! QE would be very nice indeed, however there was a UT article on this recently saying the latest lab experiments have only transmitted over a distance of 1-2cm On a slightly less Sci-Fi note. If solar positioning and plaetary rotation were taken into account a node could transmit packets along the lines of sight using technology peer-to-peer networks with a bit of pythagorus and sin, cos to see which node would be best to transmit through. This would be far more robust and if a node is unable to transmit directly it can relay through others. A nessessary characteristic of this protocol would be its accurate position in the solar system. Once a node can no longer transmit to its destination directly it can relay through a satellite that is in a better solar-graphic position to do so, either directly or indirectly to its destination. With compression and encryption it could be deemed safe to relay packets through foreign networks. "The project started 10 years ago as an attempt to figure out what kind of technical networking standards " Yikes!

QE would be very nice indeed, however there was a UT article on this recently saying the latest lab experiments have only transmitted over a distance of 1-2cm

On a slightly less Sci-Fi note. If solar positioning and plaetary rotation were taken into account a node could transmit packets along the lines of sight using technology peer-to-peer networks with a bit of pythagorus and sin, cos to see which node would be best to transmit through. This would be far more robust and if a node is unable to transmit directly it can relay through others. A nessessary characteristic of this protocol would be its accurate position in the solar system.

Once a node can no longer transmit to its destination directly it can relay through a satellite that is in a better solar-graphic position to do so, either directly or indirectly to its destination.

With compression and encryption it could be deemed safe to relay packets through foreign networks.

]]> By: Feenixx http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38028 Feenixx Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:32:13 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38028 Denis, the essence is (simplified): - two particles can be non-locally correlated - this means: if you make a change to one of them, the change will also happen instantly to the other, no matter how far they are separated from each other Looking at it intuitively, this should allow transfer of information without any delay whatsoever. In real life, there are many problems which have no solution yet. Even pinpointing them amounts to material for several PhD dissertations. The problems are related to: "Observer", "Frame of Reference" and "Relativity of Time". Denis,
the essence is (simplified):
- two particles can be non-locally correlated
- this means: if you make a change to one of them, the change will also happen instantly to the other, no matter how far they are separated from each other

Looking at it intuitively, this should allow transfer of information without any delay whatsoever.

In real life, there are many problems which have no solution yet. Even pinpointing them amounts to material for several PhD dissertations. The problems are related to: "Observer", "Frame of Reference" and "Relativity of Time".

]]> By: TheMan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38026 TheMan Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:16:51 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38026 yes go quantum entanglement!!! instant communication with out the silly speed of light in the way yes go quantum entanglement!!! instant communication with out the silly speed of light in the way

]]> By: Denis http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38023 Denis Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:57:08 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38023 I don't completely understand the essence of QA. Does it actually allow to transfer information with speed which is higher then speed of light? I don't completely understand the essence of QA. Does it actually allow to transfer information with speed which is higher then speed of light?

]]> By: George Duke http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38022 George Duke Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:44:12 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38022 Google, please save us from Microsoft! I want an Android operating system running on my computers by this time next year! Google, please save us from Microsoft!
I want an Android operating system running on my computers by this time next year!

]]> By: Hunnter http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38010 Hunnter Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:30:34 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38010 Well Feenixx, there is that test thats supposed to be happening soon on ISS to test QE to see if it does work over larger distances. (and what will happen with less gravity too i guess) There really does need to be some more research done with it though. There has to be some way to send information. Often, people say that you'd need to verify that you got the correct information using classical means, but why would you? Why not just use QE again to send back a hash value of whatever was sent? It would require some crazy complex computer designs to build a quantum communicator, but it seems feasible in my head, if someone actually put some money and time behind it. (Unless of course i am missing something.) Well Feenixx, there is that test thats supposed to be happening soon on ISS to test QE to see if it does work over larger distances. (and what will happen with less gravity too i guess)

There really does need to be some more research done with it though.
There has to be some way to send information.
Often, people say that you'd need to verify that you got the correct information using classical means, but why would you?
Why not just use QE again to send back a hash value of whatever was sent?
It would require some crazy complex computer designs to build a quantum communicator, but it seems feasible in my head, if someone actually put some money and time behind it.
(Unless of course i am missing something.)

]]> By: Chuck R. http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38006 Chuck R. Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:47:07 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38006 Awesome! Awesome!

]]> By: Feenixx http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-38000 Feenixx Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:25:19 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-38000 facitus says "Quantum Entanglement" and adds "just kidding". Why "just kidding"? It seems the time is approaching to seriously study the feasibility of using non-local quantum correlation effects. Intuitively, I'd call it Science Fiction. Here are some more technologies I would have called Science Fiction when I was a leaving cert student (1968/69): - digital watches and calculators with liquid crystal display, running for years on a battery the size of a shirt button (what are liquid crystalls, anyway?) - CDs and DVDs - ion thrust rocket engines - functional machines, where each moving part is a single molecule (aka Nano Engineering) etc...etc... non-local quantum correlation has already been observed, occasionally... facitus says "Quantum Entanglement" and adds "just kidding".
Why "just kidding"?

It seems the time is approaching to seriously study the feasibility of using non-local quantum correlation effects.

Intuitively, I'd call it Science Fiction.
Here are some more technologies I would have called Science Fiction when I was a leaving cert student (1968/69):

- digital watches and calculators with liquid crystal display, running for years on a battery the size of a shirt button (what are liquid crystalls, anyway?)
- CDs and DVDs
- ion thrust rocket engines
- functional machines, where each moving part is a single molecule (aka Nano Engineering)
etc…etc…

non-local quantum correlation has already been observed, occasionally…

]]> By: azer http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-37997 azer Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:11:34 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-37997 w00t! Space porn! w00t! Space porn!

]]> By: Marcony http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-37987 Marcony Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:40 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-37987 Subspace communications :) Anybody watches StarGate SG-1?! Subspace communications :)
Anybody watches StarGate SG-1?!

]]> By: tacitus http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-37974 tacitus Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:38:45 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-37974 Quantum entanglement.....? (Just kidding) Quantum entanglement…..?

(Just kidding)

]]> By: Steve http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/28/google-and-nasa-are-working-on-an-interplanetary-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-37971 Steve Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:29:34 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/?p=20255#comment-37971 Why not have multiple satellites capable of transmitting data to multiple locations to ignore the effects of delay. Can simply reroute the packets being sent to essentially another hub to be sent on to the receiving spacecraft Why not have multiple satellites capable of transmitting data to multiple locations to ignore the effects of delay. Can simply reroute the packets being sent to essentially another hub to be sent on to the receiving spacecraft

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