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	<title>Comments on: Russian Spacecraft Producer: No More Money for Soyuz</title>
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		<title>By: BigJon</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-38082</link>
		<dc:creator>BigJon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>x-33?</description>
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		<title>By: btw</title>
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		<dc:creator>btw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia&#039;s steam engines must be as reliable as the Soyuz. Perhaps that&#039;s a very specific engine on a very specific length of track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia&#039;s steam engines must be as reliable as the Soyuz. Perhaps that&#039;s a very specific engine on a very specific length of track.</p>
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		<title>By: Bravehart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bravehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring everyone home, it will be a long 10 years before there will be funding available!
The last 2  trips should be used to shut the ISS down! We all have to come to term, that we have been suckert into believing that we could pay for all this. But now the bill must be paid! Anyone have an ideal who is going to 
pay? No it will not be the government, it is YOU! This recession will be worst than the 1920&#039;s you will find that out soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring everyone home, it will be a long 10 years before there will be funding available!<br />
The last 2  trips should be used to shut the ISS down! We all have to come to term, that we have been suckert into believing that we could pay for all this. But now the bill must be paid! Anyone have an ideal who is going to<br />
pay? No it will not be the government, it is YOU! This recession will be worst than the 1920&#039;s you will find that out soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;just as it would be good to have Chinese and EU more involved&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The EU, or, rather, ESA (not exactly the same thing; not all EU members are ESA members and vice-versa) is fully commited with the ISS. There are European modules up there, there have been regularly European astronauts making visits, etc. The problem, in the current situation, is that ESA does not have its own crewed vehicle, having followed a strategy of relying on Russian and American ships, which seemed to cover the needs pretty well, while focusing on other stuff. At the light of what has happened recently, this might have been the wrong choice, but the fact is that not many of the bad news we&#039;ve seen recently were clearly in the making a few years ago.

Still, the current dire straits might make ESA jump to the next level, probably adapting the automatic transfer vehicle design to crewed flights, the (lemme check) STCS (hate-hate-hate these abbreviations! Hate &#039;em!). That, however, would always be several years in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>just as it would be good to have Chinese and EU more involved</p></blockquote>
<p>The EU, or, rather, ESA (not exactly the same thing; not all EU members are ESA members and vice-versa) is fully commited with the ISS. There are European modules up there, there have been regularly European astronauts making visits, etc. The problem, in the current situation, is that ESA does not have its own crewed vehicle, having followed a strategy of relying on Russian and American ships, which seemed to cover the needs pretty well, while focusing on other stuff. At the light of what has happened recently, this might have been the wrong choice, but the fact is that not many of the bad news we&#039;ve seen recently were clearly in the making a few years ago.</p>
<p>Still, the current dire straits might make ESA jump to the next level, probably adapting the automatic transfer vehicle design to crewed flights, the (lemme check) STCS (hate-hate-hate these abbreviations! Hate &#039;em!). That, however, would always be several years in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: pantzov</title>
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		<dc:creator>pantzov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s try to keep the russia-bashing down to a minimum. they have not &quot;betrayed&quot; us, lol. they need money to build the soyuz, since they are themselves financially suffering like everyone else at the moment and have not reached a deal/agreement regarding financing.

russian and NASA scientists have worked together for years and have developed good working relationships. 

NASA, by it&#039;s nature, is tied to the military. becuase of this it is extra sensitive to political disagreements between goverments and militaries. let&#039;s try to keep the rhetoric down on our side and hopefully they will too. otherwise we risk handicapping future cooperative research potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#039;s try to keep the russia-bashing down to a minimum. they have not &#034;betrayed&#034; us, lol. they need money to build the soyuz, since they are themselves financially suffering like everyone else at the moment and have not reached a deal/agreement regarding financing.</p>
<p>russian and NASA scientists have worked together for years and have developed good working relationships. </p>
<p>NASA, by it&#039;s nature, is tied to the military. becuase of this it is extra sensitive to political disagreements between goverments and militaries. let&#039;s try to keep the rhetoric down on our side and hopefully they will too. otherwise we risk handicapping future cooperative research potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37761</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So NASA = broke, Soyuz = broke, global economy = crumbling, in turn funding for new and existing missions = nxt to nothing.  Anyone else see a problem here when both the world leading space fairing nations can&#039;t afford to launch anything.  Here&#039;s hoping that both nations work something out.  Perhaps its time to combine forces between the EU, NASA, Soyuz and the Chinese / Indian space program to make it a completely global program</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So NASA = broke, Soyuz = broke, global economy = crumbling, in turn funding for new and existing missions = nxt to nothing.  Anyone else see a problem here when both the world leading space fairing nations can&#039;t afford to launch anything.  Here&#039;s hoping that both nations work something out.  Perhaps its time to combine forces between the EU, NASA, Soyuz and the Chinese / Indian space program to make it a completely global program</p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37750</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ISS needs three things:
A people mover, a cargo ship, and a life boat.

Soyuz is convenient and its good to have Russian involvement in an international project like this (just as it would be good to have Chinese and EU more involved). But there is no reason we can&#039;t fast track our own capsule design to take over these jobs. 

I think if your going to throw money at a problem, solve it with your own people and spend the money here. 
Extending credit to Energia gets us out of a jam for now... but thats only a temporary solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ISS needs three things:<br />
A people mover, a cargo ship, and a life boat.</p>
<p>Soyuz is convenient and its good to have Russian involvement in an international project like this (just as it would be good to have Chinese and EU more involved). But there is no reason we can&#039;t fast track our own capsule design to take over these jobs. </p>
<p>I think if your going to throw money at a problem, solve it with your own people and spend the money here.<br />
Extending credit to Energia gets us out of a jam for now&#8230; but thats only a temporary solution.</p>
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		<title>By: pneuman</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37735</link>
		<dc:creator>pneuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if NASA is able to extend the Shuttle, the ISS really needs Soyuz -- it&#039;s the only spacecraft we have that can stay docked to the ISS for months at a time as a lifeboat. Even if Dragon gets off the ground, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s designed with that role in mind either.

As some others have suggested, it doesn&#039;t sound like an issue with money as such, but an issue with credit to cover the production costs until the eventual payments come through. Here&#039;s hoping they can sort something out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if NASA is able to extend the Shuttle, the ISS really needs Soyuz &#8212; it&#039;s the only spacecraft we have that can stay docked to the ISS for months at a time as a lifeboat. Even if Dragon gets off the ground, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s designed with that role in mind either.</p>
<p>As some others have suggested, it doesn&#039;t sound like an issue with money as such, but an issue with credit to cover the production costs until the eventual payments come through. Here&#039;s hoping they can sort something out.</p>
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		<title>By: marcellus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcellus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that needs to be done is simply extend the shuttles retirement until the Ares rockets are ready to go.

I would also recommend that funding be found somewhere to build more Soyuz spacecrafts. They have an admirable track record of longevity and dependability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that needs to be done is simply extend the shuttles retirement until the Ares rockets are ready to go.</p>
<p>I would also recommend that funding be found somewhere to build more Soyuz spacecrafts. They have an admirable track record of longevity and dependability.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37713</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the wake of the Columbia disaster it became clear something had to be done besides renewing the promise to fix the shuttle.  
...but space folks love the shuttles.

So what you have is a very Bush like plan.
Promise the moon (literally) and kill the shuttle while we&#039;re all starry eyed about moon and mars bases.

If it works He goes down as the Republicans Kennedy, and if it don&#039;t...  By the time this thing comes to fruition Bush will be long gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the wake of the Columbia disaster it became clear something had to be done besides renewing the promise to fix the shuttle.<br />
&#8230;but space folks love the shuttles.</p>
<p>So what you have is a very Bush like plan.<br />
Promise the moon (literally) and kill the shuttle while we&#039;re all starry eyed about moon and mars bases.</p>
<p>If it works He goes down as the Republicans Kennedy, and if it don&#039;t&#8230;  By the time this thing comes to fruition Bush will be long gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominion</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37710</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...this may come across as a dumb question.  Perhaps I missed something somewhere.  Why does the space shuttle have to be retired?  Yes, I know they are a little old but the design is rather a good one, isn&#039;t it?  Couldn&#039;t we have Rockwell International build a new one?  If anyone knows why the shuttle should be retired I would really like to know the reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;this may come across as a dumb question.  Perhaps I missed something somewhere.  Why does the space shuttle have to be retired?  Yes, I know they are a little old but the design is rather a good one, isn&#039;t it?  Couldn&#039;t we have Rockwell International build a new one?  If anyone knows why the shuttle should be retired I would really like to know the reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Silver Thread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silver Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Eduardo&#039;s Sentiments and I would add that Space Exploration can no longer be the province of individual Countries or Governments. Yes a reevaluation of National Priorities is in Order, but it must also happen on the behalf of the international community and in a time when it seems everything is at a crisis level finding the considerable funding necessary to support such a venture is unlikely. 

When you consider the monumental amount of effort that must go into construction of these large scale projects, it simply isn&#039;t realistic to Go it Alone. Either we hang together or we hang separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Eduardo&#039;s Sentiments and I would add that Space Exploration can no longer be the province of individual Countries or Governments. Yes a reevaluation of National Priorities is in Order, but it must also happen on the behalf of the international community and in a time when it seems everything is at a crisis level finding the considerable funding necessary to support such a venture is unlikely. </p>
<p>When you consider the monumental amount of effort that must go into construction of these large scale projects, it simply isn&#039;t realistic to Go it Alone. Either we hang together or we hang separately.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Tillmanns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Tillmanns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On dealing with Putin, the best bet is for VP elect Biden to go visit and calm ruffled feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On dealing with Putin, the best bet is for VP elect Biden to go visit and calm ruffled feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Tillmanns</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37704</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Tillmanns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting RR picture. The Russian track gauge is 5 feet. The same as that in the Confederacy before all southern railroads were retracked after the Civil  War.
Remember Whistler&#039;s Mother? That was painted in St Petersburg. Why there? Whistler&#039;s Father was building the Tsar&#039;s first railroad using the track gauge used in the south.
These things get stuck in time. The best way out of the current problem is for the USA to pay that Russian company for a couple more Soyuz capsules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting RR picture. The Russian track gauge is 5 feet. The same as that in the Confederacy before all southern railroads were retracked after the Civil  War.<br />
Remember Whistler&#039;s Mother? That was painted in St Petersburg. Why there? Whistler&#039;s Father was building the Tsar&#039;s first railroad using the track gauge used in the south.<br />
These things get stuck in time. The best way out of the current problem is for the USA to pay that Russian company for a couple more Soyuz capsules.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap... All that investment to build orbital infrastructure with no method of access for 5 years.  

Seems like it is up to the private industry now.  

Unless someone  decides to dump lots of  cash into Energiya. Although the banks won&#039;t make any loans anytime soon; they won&#039;t lend me money to build a tiny round house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap&#8230; All that investment to build orbital infrastructure with no method of access for 5 years.  </p>
<p>Seems like it is up to the private industry now.  </p>
<p>Unless someone  decides to dump lots of  cash into Energiya. Although the banks won&#039;t make any loans anytime soon; they won&#039;t lend me money to build a tiny round house.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not the 200 billion for new space projects that Putin promised. The problem is the constant need for financing that current space projects have. Financing which can only come from the banking system, through loans, until the investment made with that financing gets paid by the customers. When the banking system stops lending money, big and expensive programs such as this one will suffer severely, unless there&#039;s some sort of buffer in place. Apparently there&#039;s no such buffer in Russia as yet. And that means trouble.

Needless to say, Russia was caught by a stray bullet fired in Wall Street, New York, NY, USA. Just like the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not the 200 billion for new space projects that Putin promised. The problem is the constant need for financing that current space projects have. Financing which can only come from the banking system, through loans, until the investment made with that financing gets paid by the customers. When the banking system stops lending money, big and expensive programs such as this one will suffer severely, unless there&#039;s some sort of buffer in place. Apparently there&#039;s no such buffer in Russia as yet. And that means trouble.</p>
<p>Needless to say, Russia was caught by a stray bullet fired in Wall Street, New York, NY, USA. Just like the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/25/russian-spacecraft-producer-no-more-money-for-soyuz/comment-page-1/#comment-37698</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the 200 billion for new space projects that Putin promised?

I&#039;ve got no problem buying tickets from multiple sources...  But putting all our eggs on only one of their baskets (A Russian one at that) is just begging for trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the 200 billion for new space projects that Putin promised?</p>
<p>I&#039;ve got no problem buying tickets from multiple sources&#8230;  But putting all our eggs on only one of their baskets (A Russian one at that) is just begging for trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Es penoso ver como un grupo de avariciosos, guerreristas y fanáticos han llevado a que un país, otrora líder en exploración espacial, llegue a esta lamentable situación de incertidumbre. Ojalá el pueblo de los Estados Unidos entienda que sólo mediante la transformación radical de su sistema político puede avanzar hacia una era de paz, desarrollo sustentable, armónico y de mayor felicidad para sí mismos y los demás pueblos del planeta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Es penoso ver como un grupo de avariciosos, guerreristas y fanáticos han llevado a que un país, otrora líder en exploración espacial, llegue a esta lamentable situación de incertidumbre. Ojalá el pueblo de los Estados Unidos entienda que sólo mediante la transformación radical de su sistema político puede avanzar hacia una era de paz, desarrollo sustentable, armónico y de mayor felicidad para sí mismos y los demás pueblos del planeta.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US government has squandered our country&#039;s future.  It has been a government of treason since I can remember.  National security is a joke.  We depend on the Russians and the Chinese now to transport us and loan us money for our high ground.  Fortunately both will betray us before long and maybe then we will put our priorities in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US government has squandered our country&#039;s future.  It has been a government of treason since I can remember.  National security is a joke.  We depend on the Russians and the Chinese now to transport us and loan us money for our high ground.  Fortunately both will betray us before long and maybe then we will put our priorities in order.</p>
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