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> <channel><title>Comments on: Is the Impossible &quot;Emdrive&quot; Possible?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:41:30 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Floyd</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-39014</link> <dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:34:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-39014</guid> <description>Scientific method (and for that matter, engineering) implies reproducible results.Mr. Shawyers who built the &quot;Emdrive&quot; releases the design and someone else builds an identical copy and tries to make it work. The new drive either works or it doesn&#039;t.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientific method (and for that matter, engineering) implies reproducible results.</p><p>Mr. Shawyers who built the &#034;Emdrive&#034; releases the design and someone else builds an identical copy and tries to make it work. The new drive either works or it doesn&#039;t.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dollhopf</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36788</link> <dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:21:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36788</guid> <description>In his article, Dr. Costella tries to explain &quot;what’s wrong in Shawyer’s paper&quot;. He refers to a scetch and concludes:&quot;Now look back at Shawyer’s Figure 2.4. He has Fs1 and Fs2 pointing perpendicular to the axial direction, not perpendicular to the cone’s walls.
His arrows are wrong.
This is the fundamental blunder that renders Shawyer’s paper meaningless.&quot;But the point is that whatever arrows he skipped in this figure Mr. Swayer claimed that instead &quot;he had constructed a prototype that produced 88 millinewtons of forces while using only 700 watts of power.&quot;So it is rediculous to refer to an 	imperfect scetch when there is an experimental evidence. But how does Dr. Costella demonstrate that the result of the experiment is wrong? The point is that he is too lazy to proof that Shawyers experiment is of no meaning. He just refers to a missing arrow in a scetch. This is what he writes:&quot;I started having waking nightmares about what would be needed to disprove him: complicated mathematical solutions of horrendous equations; complex computer simulations of conical waveguides; … I shuddered at what I had, mentally, committed myself to. But just as the computer-ised woman in the train’s roof told me that we were approaching Seaford Station, the penny dropped. It was something that I could have explained to my Year 11 students when I was a still a teacher.&quot;And thus he builds his critics on a figure which is of no meaning for Mr. Shawyers experimental results.I don&#039;t know what is wrong with Mr. Swayer&#039;s engine. But I know that Dr. Costella does miss the point.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his article, Dr. Costella tries to explain &#034;what’s wrong in Shawyer’s paper&#034;. He refers to a scetch and concludes:</p><p>&#034;Now look back at Shawyer’s Figure 2.4. He has Fs1 and Fs2 pointing perpendicular to the axial direction, not perpendicular to the cone’s walls.<br
/> His arrows are wrong.<br
/> This is the fundamental blunder that renders Shawyer’s paper meaningless.&#034;</p><p>But the point is that whatever arrows he skipped in this figure Mr. Swayer claimed that instead &#034;he had constructed a prototype that produced 88 millinewtons of forces while using only 700 watts of power.&#034;</p><p>So it is rediculous to refer to an 	imperfect scetch when there is an experimental evidence. But how does Dr. Costella demonstrate that the result of the experiment is wrong? The point is that he is too lazy to proof that Shawyers experiment is of no meaning. He just refers to a missing arrow in a scetch. This is what he writes:</p><p>&#034;I started having waking nightmares about what would be needed to disprove him: complicated mathematical solutions of horrendous equations; complex computer simulations of conical waveguides; … I shuddered at what I had, mentally, committed myself to. But just as the computer-ised woman in the train’s roof told me that we were approaching Seaford Station, the penny dropped. It was something that I could have explained to my Year 11 students when I was a still a teacher.&#034;</p><p>And thus he builds his critics on a figure which is of no meaning for Mr. Shawyers experimental results.</p><p>I don&#039;t know what is wrong with Mr. Swayer&#039;s engine. But I know that Dr. Costella does miss the point.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hallo</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36771</link> <dc:creator>Hallo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36771</guid> <description>@ RL
Don&#039;t let the name fool you
Northwestern Polytechnical University  is not a polytechnic institute. It is a key government funded research university under direct jurisdiction of ministry of industry and information technology. (restructured from Commission of Science, Technology, and Industry for National Defense)
Professor Yang worked for china&#039;s space program.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RL<br
/> Don&#039;t let the name fool you<br
/> Northwestern Polytechnical University  is not a polytechnic institute. It is a key government funded research university under direct jurisdiction of ministry of industry and information technology. (restructured from Commission of Science, Technology, and Industry for National Defense)<br
/> Professor Yang worked for china&#039;s space program.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dollhopf</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36767</link> <dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36767</guid> <description>This is a funny discussion! If you lean out of the window too much here ... (well, one can sense a lot of group pressure here. So as usual, either be careful what you write or else you are already hardened against being f&#039;ed up!)Conservation of Momentum and of energy both do not need an advocatus diaboli to speak for them against the mass who shouts &quot;she shall burn&quot; because they cannot be disregarded. They are not negotiable (only gods can break the laws of nature... anyone?)But on the other hand the scientific method is for sure not fulfilled by the methods which Mr. Costella has chosen to refute Mr. Shawyer.Look at what Mr. Costella did.www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/shawyerfraud.pdfThe abstract of his article starts with a prejudice:&quot;&lt;em&gt;Abstract
It is well known that Roger Shawyer’s ‘electromagnetic relativity drive’ violates the law of con-servation of momentum.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;Wow!In the very beginning Mr. Costella claims that if you do not already share a pre!judice, then shame on you. No, you don&#039;t learn anything here if you do not already know beforehand! That is not the way things start if you expect to LEARN something trustfully.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a funny discussion! If you lean out of the window too much here &#8230; (well, one can sense a lot of group pressure here. So as usual, either be careful what you write or else you are already hardened against being f&#039;ed up!)</p><p>Conservation of Momentum and of energy both do not need an advocatus diaboli to speak for them against the mass who shouts &#034;she shall burn&#034; because they cannot be disregarded. They are not negotiable (only gods can break the laws of nature&#8230; anyone?)</p><p>But on the other hand the scientific method is for sure not fulfilled by the methods which Mr. Costella has chosen to refute Mr. Shawyer.</p><p>Look at what Mr. Costella did.</p><p><a
href="http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/shawyerfraud.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/shawyerfraud.pdf</a></p><p>The abstract of his article starts with a prejudice:</p><p>&#034;<em>Abstract<br
/> It is well known that Roger Shawyer’s ‘electromagnetic relativity drive’ violates the law of con-servation of momentum.</em>&#034;</p><p>Wow!</p><p>In the very beginning Mr. Costella claims that if you do not already share a pre!judice, then shame on you. No, you don&#039;t learn anything here if you do not already know beforehand! That is not the way things start if you expect to LEARN something trustfully.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SoulJay</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36354</link> <dc:creator>SoulJay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36354</guid> <description>i didint read all the posts so i dont know if anyone already posted this but in the FAQ os EMDRIVE.com states:Q. Is the thrust produced by the EmDrive a reactionless force?
A. No, the thrust is the result of the reaction between the end plates of the waveguide and the Electromagnetic wave propagated within it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didint read all the posts so i dont know if anyone already posted this but in the FAQ os EMDRIVE.com states:</p><p>Q. Is the thrust produced by the EmDrive a reactionless force?<br
/> A. No, the thrust is the result of the reaction between the end plates of the waveguide and the Electromagnetic wave propagated within it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Lundgren</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36273</link> <dc:creator>Michael Lundgren</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:56:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36273</guid> <description>Reminds me of the Dean Drive which was featured in Missiles &amp; Rockets magazine back in the 60&#039;s.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the Dean Drive which was featured in Missiles &amp; Rockets magazine back in the 60&#039;s.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David K White</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36253</link> <dc:creator>David K White</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36253</guid> <description>Whoops, 2nd to last sentence should read:&quot;In a sense, this concept is the reverse of the flashlight on a train thought experiment. Instead of increasing the frequency of the light shining from the front of the train, the microwaves moving around in the chamber must become red-shifted as they give up their momentum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, 2nd to last sentence should read:</p><p>&#034;In a sense, this concept is the reverse of the flashlight on a train thought experiment. Instead of increasing the frequency of the light shining from the front of the train, the microwaves moving around in the chamber must become red-shifted as they give up their momentum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David K White</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36252</link> <dc:creator>David K White</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36252</guid> <description>Ok, so ultimately speaking, the device must allow microwave frequency photons to exchange momentum with the waveguide in a preferential direction.  So, unlike a poptart in a microwave, the exchange of momentum from photon to solid matter must be, on average, in one direction.  I don&#039;t follow the math in the author&#039;s paper yet because I haven&#039;t tried to, I&#039;ve got my own research to attend to.As to the issue with the vector addition, any vector can, of course, be expressed as the summation of two or more other vectors.  Has anyone bothered to see if the author just skipped the step of telling his readers that he broke down the components of the vector that hits the sloping wall into their x and y components?  It seems to me that he&#039;s claiming that over time the microwaves are converted from a random distribution of x and y components into being mostly x (the direction of travel) and very little y (which cancel each other out).In a sense, this concept is the reverse of the flashlight on a train thought experiment.  Instead of increasing the frequency of the light shining from the front of the train, the microwaves moving around in the chamber must become red-shifted as the give up their momentum.  If, that is, this device actually functions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so ultimately speaking, the device must allow microwave frequency photons to exchange momentum with the waveguide in a preferential direction.  So, unlike a poptart in a microwave, the exchange of momentum from photon to solid matter must be, on average, in one direction.  I don&#039;t follow the math in the author&#039;s paper yet because I haven&#039;t tried to, I&#039;ve got my own research to attend to.</p><p>As to the issue with the vector addition, any vector can, of course, be expressed as the summation of two or more other vectors.  Has anyone bothered to see if the author just skipped the step of telling his readers that he broke down the components of the vector that hits the sloping wall into their x and y components?  It seems to me that he&#039;s claiming that over time the microwaves are converted from a random distribution of x and y components into being mostly x (the direction of travel) and very little y (which cancel each other out).</p><p>In a sense, this concept is the reverse of the flashlight on a train thought experiment.  Instead of increasing the frequency of the light shining from the front of the train, the microwaves moving around in the chamber must become red-shifted as the give up their momentum.  If, that is, this device actually functions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DrNecropolis</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-36162</link> <dc:creator>DrNecropolis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:50:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-36162</guid> <description>Meh, not too far fetched.  Is this supposed to be anything like what Heim and Droscher had in mind?  I&#039;ll save my naysaying till I read more</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, not too far fetched.  Is this supposed to be anything like what Heim and Droscher had in mind?  I&#039;ll save my naysaying till I read more</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: KC</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35959</link> <dc:creator>KC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35959</guid> <description>I stick out my right hand and then step up onto it with my left foot.  Then I stick out my left hand and step up onto it with my right foot...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stick out my right hand and then step up onto it with my left foot.  Then I stick out my left hand and step up onto it with my right foot&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Give the guy a break - and wait till the evidence is in.</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35946</link> <dc:creator>Give the guy a break - and wait till the evidence is in.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:38:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35946</guid> <description>Costella is addicted to conspiracy theories.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Costella is addicted to conspiracy theories.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Give the guy a break - and wait till the evidence is in.</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35944</link> <dc:creator>Give the guy a break - and wait till the evidence is in.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:31:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35944</guid> <description>&quot;As far as I know, Shawyer has never claimed his drive exists as a closed system (and how can it ?) therefore those who prattle on about conservation of momentum rather miss the point that all he states is an empirical effect and then provides a theory of explanation. If his theory is incorrect, but the effect is real, what then ?&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;As far as I know, Shawyer has never claimed his drive exists as a closed system (and how can it ?) therefore those who prattle on about conservation of momentum rather miss the point that all he states is an empirical effect and then provides a theory of explanation. If his theory is incorrect, but the effect is real, what then ?&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: R.S.</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35942</link> <dc:creator>R.S.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:07:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35942</guid> <description>The momentum exchange is between the electromagnetic wave and the engine, which is attached to the spacecraft. As the engine accelerates, momentum is lost by the electromagnetic wave and gained by the spacecraft, thus satisfying the conservation of momentum. In this process, energy is lost within the resonator, thus satisfying the conservation of energy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The momentum exchange is between the electromagnetic wave and the engine, which is attached to the spacecraft. As the engine accelerates, momentum is lost by the electromagnetic wave and gained by the spacecraft, thus satisfying the conservation of momentum. In this process, energy is lost within the resonator, thus satisfying the conservation of energy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ken</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35940</link> <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:36:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35940</guid> <description>No detectable emission?... so the microwaves simply bounced back and forth forever inside, becoming more and more intense as the solar arrays power it up, never being absorbed and re-released as heat?So the inner surface is a perfect mirror including the microwave emitting device itself?If you say yes in support of the device, then you must concede there is no thrust because the vector sum of all the bouncing microwaves in the closed device will always be zero.If you say no to the infinite perpetual internal reflections of the microwaves, in defiance of the device, then at the very least the device emits heat ... a detectable emission that contradicts the author.However If the heat is all coming out the back of the engine then maybe you&#039;ll get some thrust in a manner similar to a solar sail ... but NOT by the erroneous mechanism the scamming author is promoting.This scam idea has been around for decades, just waiting for ignorant people in positions of power to fund it.   File this crap in the same category as the &#039;water fueled&#039; car scams.You would think the guy who runs this blog would see through it.  He is a scientist isn&#039;t he?Perhaps I will visit this website less often now,  the credibility of this website is damaged.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No detectable emission?</p><p>&#8230; so the microwaves simply bounced back and forth forever inside, becoming more and more intense as the solar arrays power it up, never being absorbed and re-released as heat?</p><p>So the inner surface is a perfect mirror including the microwave emitting device itself?</p><p>If you say yes in support of the device, then you must concede there is no thrust because the vector sum of all the bouncing microwaves in the closed device will always be zero.</p><p>If you say no to the infinite perpetual internal reflections of the microwaves, in defiance of the device, then at the very least the device emits heat &#8230; a detectable emission that contradicts the author.</p><p>However If the heat is all coming out the back of the engine then maybe you&#039;ll get some thrust in a manner similar to a solar sail &#8230; but NOT by the erroneous mechanism the scamming author is promoting.</p><p>This scam idea has been around for decades, just waiting for ignorant people in positions of power to fund it.   File this crap in the same category as the &#039;water fueled&#039; car scams.</p><p>You would think the guy who runs this blog would see through it.  He is a scientist isn&#039;t he?</p><p>Perhaps I will visit this website less often now,  the credibility of this website is damaged.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bridh Hancock</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35931</link> <dc:creator>Bridh Hancock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:28:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35931</guid> <description>For reasons I will not go into here, I had occasion to make a cone shaped cone of brass (not having gold) and lined it with woollen carpet, and inserted another brass cone, and lined that with more carpet, and inserted another brass cane.  Yes: I built an orgone-engine!  It quivered on the drive-way, and then took off, and it has not been seen since, anywhere by anyone who admits it.  Next time I build the body and load, and work out its trajectory before I build the engine.  Let that be a warning to you all.  [ my joke ]Entropy: Nothing from nothing; and everything to nothing eventually.
New ideas are good, and great if they are substantial.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For reasons I will not go into here, I had occasion to make a cone shaped cone of brass (not having gold) and lined it with woollen carpet, and inserted another brass cone, and lined that with more carpet, and inserted another brass cane.  Yes: I built an orgone-engine!  It quivered on the drive-way, and then took off, and it has not been seen since, anywhere by anyone who admits it.  Next time I build the body and load, and work out its trajectory before I build the engine.  Let that be a warning to you all.  [ my joke ]</p><p>Entropy: Nothing from nothing; and everything to nothing eventually.<br
/> New ideas are good, and great if they are substantial.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lenard Lindstrom</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35912</link> <dc:creator>Lenard Lindstrom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:24:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35912</guid> <description>Microwave propulsion, the &quot;theory&quot; behind the Emdrive, is not a worthwhile idea. Here&#039;s why? Roger Shawyer makes a basic mistake in vector addition and doesn&#039;t explain it. It&#039;s like having a bank statement that doesn&#039;t add up.
One assumes the error is in the calculation, and not an improper understanding of money. If the statement is correct then the bank had better have a very good explanation. But the Emdrive uses microwaves so special relativity changes things. Would changing the currency make the bank statement more acceptable? For anyone who believes a simple error in calculation represents a revolutionary new way of understanding the universe, I would like to be your accountant.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microwave propulsion, the &#034;theory&#034; behind the Emdrive, is not a worthwhile idea. Here&#039;s why? Roger Shawyer makes a basic mistake in vector addition and doesn&#039;t explain it. It&#039;s like having a bank statement that doesn&#039;t add up.<br
/> One assumes the error is in the calculation, and not an improper understanding of money. If the statement is correct then the bank had better have a very good explanation. But the Emdrive uses microwaves so special relativity changes things. Would changing the currency make the bank statement more acceptable? For anyone who believes a simple error in calculation represents a revolutionary new way of understanding the universe, I would like to be your accountant.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dollhopf</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-3/#comment-35907</link> <dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35907</guid> <description>Radiation pressure is at least the propulsion of a solar sail, isn&#039;t it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radiation pressure is at least the propulsion of a solar sail, isn&#039;t it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zeb</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35905</link> <dc:creator>zeb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35905</guid> <description>Well, this drive is almost certainly not going to work. But, there&#039;s no way we&#039;ll know until we try. Good luck.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this drive is almost certainly not going to work. But, there&#039;s no way we&#039;ll know until we try. Good luck.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hunntert</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35895</link> <dc:creator>Hunntert</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35895</guid> <description>I love how people are so quick to turn down ideas these days, quite pathetic really.
What will you do if this actually did somehow work?
These areas of research are actually still in the realms of the &quot;unknown&quot;, believe it or not.Face facts, we haven&#039;t even nearly discovered everything about this universe, and i&#039;d say we haven&#039;t even learned 1% of what there is to know.If it weren&#039;t for people stepping outside the box, we&#039;d probably still be worshipping the sun.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how people are so quick to turn down ideas these days, quite pathetic really.<br
/> What will you do if this actually did somehow work?<br
/> These areas of research are actually still in the realms of the &#034;unknown&#034;, believe it or not.</p><p>Face facts, we haven&#039;t even nearly discovered everything about this universe, and i&#039;d say we haven&#039;t even learned 1% of what there is to know.</p><p>If it weren&#039;t for people stepping outside the box, we&#039;d probably still be worshipping the sun.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feenixx</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35891</link> <dc:creator>Feenixx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:15:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35891</guid> <description>it&#039;s a difficult one... let me try and have a  stab at understanding it by asking myself some questions:
1) Is it a closed system?
A: absolutely NOT - if it was, it would fuse after a while...
...because...
2) Is it a &quot;perpetual motion&quot; or &quot;over unity&quot; device?
A: no, it is not - it uses an external power source: the Sun.
3) Is it really &quot;reactionless&quot;?
A: hmmm... there seems to be some kind of interaction between the two ends of the inside of the engine, where &quot;all the weird stuff is happening&quot;
4) What is being ejected in order to generate thrust?
A: I have no idea, but something IS ejected, in some form or other, else the system would overload and fuseFinally: Is it possible to calculate (and work with) observing a system from two different frames of reference simultaneously?
A: I can&#039;t see how, I lack either the knowledge or the imagination
but...
IF it is possible, then the Thing CAN work.This is a genuine mind twister. I wish I could just write it off as a hoax and get some sleep... but somehow I can&#039;t. It&#039;s not as obvious a hoax as any of the web conspiracies.... IF it is a hoax at all. I cannot get rid of the feeling that this could be genuine - not exactly spectacular, producing many kilonewtons but it could possibly work..... IF I can postulate observing from two frames of reference all at once...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#039;s a difficult one&#8230; let me try and have a  stab at understanding it by asking myself some questions:<br
/> 1) Is it a closed system?<br
/> A: absolutely NOT &#8211; if it was, it would fuse after a while&#8230;<br
/> &#8230;because&#8230;<br
/> 2) Is it a &#034;perpetual motion&#034; or &#034;over unity&#034; device?<br
/> A: no, it is not &#8211; it uses an external power source: the Sun.<br
/> 3) Is it really &#034;reactionless&#034;?<br
/> A: hmmm&#8230; there seems to be some kind of interaction between the two ends of the inside of the engine, where &#034;all the weird stuff is happening&#034;<br
/> 4) What is being ejected in order to generate thrust?<br
/> A: I have no idea, but something IS ejected, in some form or other, else the system would overload and fuse</p><p>Finally: Is it possible to calculate (and work with) observing a system from two different frames of reference simultaneously?<br
/> A: I can&#039;t see how, I lack either the knowledge or the imagination<br
/> but&#8230;<br
/> IF it is possible, then the Thing CAN work.</p><p>This is a genuine mind twister. I wish I could just write it off as a hoax and get some sleep&#8230; but somehow I can&#039;t. It&#039;s not as obvious a hoax as any of the web conspiracies&#8230;. IF it is a hoax at all. I cannot get rid of the feeling that this could be genuine &#8211; not exactly spectacular, producing many kilonewtons but it could possibly work&#8230;.. IF I can postulate observing from two frames of reference all at once&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Mendenhall</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35888</link> <dc:creator>John Mendenhall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35888</guid> <description>We all wish it would work.  I wish it would work.  Unfortunately the laws of physics don&#039;t give one whit about what we wish.  That&#039;s why we call it wishful thinking.Side bet: the Chinese Polytechnical whatever will fake their results to avoid embarassment, but will make an error that reveals their subterfuge.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all wish it would work.  I wish it would work.  Unfortunately the laws of physics don&#039;t give one whit about what we wish.  That&#039;s why we call it wishful thinking.</p><p>Side bet: the Chinese Polytechnical whatever will fake their results to avoid embarassment, but will make an error that reveals their subterfuge.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bob Deloyd</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35887</link> <dc:creator>Bob Deloyd</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:39:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35887</guid> <description>Lots of new ideas come from folks who think outside the established norm.
Ah, lets just wait and see if it works. If it don&#039;t the naysayers can pat themselves on the back. If it works the naysayers will probably say they knew it would work all along!
//bob</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of new ideas come from folks who think outside the established norm.<br
/> Ah, lets just wait and see if it works. If it don&#039;t the naysayers can pat themselves on the back. If it works the naysayers will probably say they knew it would work all along!<br
/> //bob</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35884</link> <dc:creator>mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35884</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t understand the cold fusion theory and I don&#039;t understand this either.  With my lab technique both would have seemed OK , but as said the proof is in the pudding.  MOK</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t understand the cold fusion theory and I don&#039;t understand this either.  With my lab technique both would have seemed OK , but as said the proof is in the pudding.  MOK</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jon</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35880</link> <dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35880</guid> <description>Seeing is believing. Let&#039;s see it work!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing is believing. Let&#039;s see it work!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/09/is-the-impossible-emdrive-possible/comment-page-2/#comment-35878</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:09:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=19347#comment-35878</guid> <description>If it doesn&#039;t fly (which it won&#039;t), will we still be able to make popcorn with it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it doesn&#039;t fly (which it won&#039;t), will we still be able to make popcorn with it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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