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		<title>By: Shantal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shantal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought you might like this article, a theory on venus.

11.10.2008
Geneses to Genocide

Back in the early 60’s I was stationed in Cyprus with 203 Signal Sgn. At one time I was lying on a door with a back injury, while the rest of the Sgn were away on exercise. The only thing I had to read was a bible given to me by the Mediterranean missionary garrison ladies. I started to read it, starting from page one. It seemed to me that rather than a religious book, this was an attempt by the people to chronicle the start of time on this planet, and somewhere between the lines I sensed warning, but what?
Now I don’t suppose that Adam and Eve arrived here with pencil and paper in their pockets, or a typewriter in their suitcase. Therefore the circumstances of their arrival must have been passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth. Now I don’t suppose many generations would have passed before the stories began to change. How many centuries would have passed before the ability arrived to put these stories into print, and by the time how greatly would these stories have changed. Just suppose that one vital word had changed. What if instead of “lush green garden paradise in the east of Eden” it was “Lush green planet paradise in the east of Eden”. Down the centuries someone might have asked, what is a planet? To be answered by, Lush green can only be garden, so planet must be an old word for garden. 
That one word would have changed everything. If the people of the planet were consuming the fruits of the tree of knowledge, that could have caused several of the people who could do so to come to live upon this world. The tree of knowledge is a tree with many branches, mathematics, physics, science, chemistry, all of the ologies etc. The fruits of this knowledge being, the car, the plane, the ship, the train, the television and the computer etc. All of these cause massive pollution during manufacture. And the majority continuing to pollute after manufacture. The avid consumption of these ‘fruits’ could have caused the planet to become inhabitable. As I have mentioned, the very few people who could have left, then did so, leaving the vast majority to perish. Some however would have gone deep underground, and if they could have created a one hundred percent closed loop eco system down there, they might even still be there today, and as the good book says, doomed to spend all eternity in the fires of hell. That is, somewhere midway between the heat of the planets core and the heat of the planets surface. Then what? One of the first problems would be the age old one of ‘Lebens Raum’ (Living Space). But how would they be able to make extra space? The atmosphere above would be very dense. The oceans would have evaporated becoming the new atmosphere. The ocean beds would have split apart, due to the change in pressure and being thinner than the rest of the planets crust. This would have resulted in many tons of sulphuric acid gases and other gases pouring into its thick and heavy atmosphere changing it beyond all recognition. So how would they over come this huge problem of finding living space? If they did find a way to force earth out under pressure to the planets surface, then one would expect to see large area covered with huge mounds or domes everywhere. Do we have a planet anywhere around here like that?


By Roy Peters (UK)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you might like this article, a theory on venus.</p>
<p>11.10.2008<br />
Geneses to Genocide</p>
<p>Back in the early 60’s I was stationed in Cyprus with 203 Signal Sgn. At one time I was lying on a door with a back injury, while the rest of the Sgn were away on exercise. The only thing I had to read was a bible given to me by the Mediterranean missionary garrison ladies. I started to read it, starting from page one. It seemed to me that rather than a religious book, this was an attempt by the people to chronicle the start of time on this planet, and somewhere between the lines I sensed warning, but what?<br />
Now I don’t suppose that Adam and Eve arrived here with pencil and paper in their pockets, or a typewriter in their suitcase. Therefore the circumstances of their arrival must have been passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth. Now I don’t suppose many generations would have passed before the stories began to change. How many centuries would have passed before the ability arrived to put these stories into print, and by the time how greatly would these stories have changed. Just suppose that one vital word had changed. What if instead of “lush green garden paradise in the east of Eden” it was “Lush green planet paradise in the east of Eden”. Down the centuries someone might have asked, what is a planet? To be answered by, Lush green can only be garden, so planet must be an old word for garden.<br />
That one word would have changed everything. If the people of the planet were consuming the fruits of the tree of knowledge, that could have caused several of the people who could do so to come to live upon this world. The tree of knowledge is a tree with many branches, mathematics, physics, science, chemistry, all of the ologies etc. The fruits of this knowledge being, the car, the plane, the ship, the train, the television and the computer etc. All of these cause massive pollution during manufacture. And the majority continuing to pollute after manufacture. The avid consumption of these ‘fruits’ could have caused the planet to become inhabitable. As I have mentioned, the very few people who could have left, then did so, leaving the vast majority to perish. Some however would have gone deep underground, and if they could have created a one hundred percent closed loop eco system down there, they might even still be there today, and as the good book says, doomed to spend all eternity in the fires of hell. That is, somewhere midway between the heat of the planets core and the heat of the planets surface. Then what? One of the first problems would be the age old one of ‘Lebens Raum’ (Living Space). But how would they be able to make extra space? The atmosphere above would be very dense. The oceans would have evaporated becoming the new atmosphere. The ocean beds would have split apart, due to the change in pressure and being thinner than the rest of the planets crust. This would have resulted in many tons of sulphuric acid gases and other gases pouring into its thick and heavy atmosphere changing it beyond all recognition. So how would they over come this huge problem of finding living space? If they did find a way to force earth out under pressure to the planets surface, then one would expect to see large area covered with huge mounds or domes everywhere. Do we have a planet anywhere around here like that?</p>
<p>By Roy Peters (UK)</p>
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		<title>By: quantum_flux</title>
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		<dc:creator>quantum_flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the secret ingredients in lunar regolith?</description>
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		<title>By: quantum_flux</title>
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		<dc:creator>quantum_flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iron oxide and ....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iron oxide and &#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Keenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But in space there is no sound.  How will astronauts hear the BEEP BEEP BEEP of the microwave to know when it&#039;s finished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in space there is no sound.  How will astronauts hear the BEEP BEEP BEEP of the microwave to know when it&#039;s finished?</p>
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		<title>By: MJG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does this mean we&#039;ll be buying equipment for Mars missions from Sears?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does this mean we&#039;ll be buying equipment for Mars missions from Sears?</p>
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		<title>By: Spectre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spectre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*meant *practical* not *feasible*</description>
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		<title>By: Spectre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spectre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much energy would this process require? I mean would we be able to generate enough engery for sufficient water extraction just using solar power?

I&#039;m just wondering if this is actually feasible with current technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much energy would this process require? I mean would we be able to generate enough engery for sufficient water extraction just using solar power?</p>
<p>I&#039;m just wondering if this is actually feasible with current technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael Dragwyla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yael Dragwyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silver Thread -- Add industrial formula hydrogen peroxide to wastewater from which all solids have been removed and it will kill off all microbes, parasites, etc. in it as well as removing the stench.  I&#039;m not sure of the proportions, so you&#039;d have to experiment with it to get it just right.  But H2O2 rather quickly degrades into H2 and O2, some of which recombine to form water (H2O), leaving three absolutely clean products (H2, O2, H2O) to recover.  Cheap, extremely efficient, and very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silver Thread &#8212; Add industrial formula hydrogen peroxide to wastewater from which all solids have been removed and it will kill off all microbes, parasites, etc. in it as well as removing the stench.  I&#039;m not sure of the proportions, so you&#039;d have to experiment with it to get it just right.  But H2O2 rather quickly degrades into H2 and O2, some of which recombine to form water (H2O), leaving three absolutely clean products (H2, O2, H2O) to recover.  Cheap, extremely efficient, and very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: V-MAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>V-MAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My musings from March 28th, 2008 (Building a Moon Base: Part 4 - Infrastructure and Transportation): &quot;Regolith Ice Cube Paving Stones. I recall that there are enough materials on the lunar surface to create water. So why not make a slurry with regolith and water? When poured into molds then exposed to space to freeze the resulting ice bricks would make excellent paving stones or habitat building blocks for that matter.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My musings from March 28th, 2008 (Building a Moon Base: Part 4 &#8211; Infrastructure and Transportation): &#034;Regolith Ice Cube Paving Stones. I recall that there are enough materials on the lunar surface to create water. So why not make a slurry with regolith and water? When poured into molds then exposed to space to freeze the resulting ice bricks would make excellent paving stones or habitat building blocks for that matter.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Silver Thread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silver Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could also use a Microwave to recapture Water from Waste. I am sure the smell would be horrendous however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could also use a Microwave to recapture Water from Waste. I am sure the smell would be horrendous however.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaussling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaussling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I write this I am thermally dehydrating a salt under vacuum in my lab. It seems to me that the natural ability of minerals to coordinate water of hydration is nothing new. Perhaps these fellows should consult with a chemist about how to obtain water from minerals. Water consists of the most abundant element in the universe (hydrogen) and the 1st or 2nd most abundant heavy element (oxygen). That it should be found in the regolith shouldn&#039;t stretch ones mind too much. It would be interesting to see the data to support the cometary deposition theory. My question is this- is it discrete water or water of coordination? I would guess that discrete water would have sublimed a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I write this I am thermally dehydrating a salt under vacuum in my lab. It seems to me that the natural ability of minerals to coordinate water of hydration is nothing new. Perhaps these fellows should consult with a chemist about how to obtain water from minerals. Water consists of the most abundant element in the universe (hydrogen) and the 1st or 2nd most abundant heavy element (oxygen). That it should be found in the regolith shouldn&#039;t stretch ones mind too much. It would be interesting to see the data to support the cometary deposition theory. My question is this- is it discrete water or water of coordination? I would guess that discrete water would have sublimed a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor the mad scientits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor the mad scientits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article Nancy.

I like the thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article Nancy.</p>
<p>I like the thinking.</p>
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