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	<title>Comments on: Best Ground-Based Image of Jupiter &#8212; Ever!</title>
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		<title>By: mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-35791</link>
		<dc:creator>mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Tom.It sure makes you wonder what he could accomplish with 2 or 3 times the aperture he has at hand..Truly some awesome imaging.

Clear skies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Tom.It sure makes you wonder what he could accomplish with 2 or 3 times the aperture he has at hand..Truly some awesome imaging.</p>
<p>Clear skies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-34868</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best amateur photos of Jupiter that I have EVER seen are Damien Peach&#039;s images.  Have you seen his work?  See here - http://tinyurl.com/4nszjt

I&#039;m still scratching my head trying to figure out his tricks!

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best amateur photos of Jupiter that I have EVER seen are Damien Peach&#039;s images.  Have you seen his work?  See here &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4nszjt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4nszjt</a></p>
<p>I&#039;m still scratching my head trying to figure out his tricks!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-34811</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vg: Here, some (and some old)  from Keck http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/JupiterSpots/Keck.htm
and Gemini
http://www.gemini.edu/index.php?q=node/196

And even if they aren&#039;t better, yes Andre, they feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vg: Here, some (and some old)  from Keck <a href="http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/JupiterSpots/Keck.htm" rel="nofollow">http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/JupiterSpots/Keck.htm</a><br />
and Gemini<br />
<a href="http://www.gemini.edu/index.php?q=node/196" rel="nofollow">http://www.gemini.edu/index.php?q=node/196</a></p>
<p>And even if they aren&#039;t better, yes Andre, they feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-34810</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andre&#039;s perception. I&#039;m very sure I&#039;ve seen not only better, but interesting images of Jove, adquired by GBT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andre&#039;s perception. I&#039;m very sure I&#039;ve seen not only better, but interesting images of Jove, adquired by GBT.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-34807</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked the original TIFF image, and I have the feeling I´ve seen better images of Jupiter, from ground based telescopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the original TIFF image, and I have the feeling I´ve seen better images of Jupiter, from ground based telescopes.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you, VLT.

&quot;#  Aodhhan Says:
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 am

Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&quot;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.
…dream dream dream!&quot;

&gt;&gt; SBIG&#039;s A0-8 is about as close as we&#039;ll come in the near future, I would imagine. Of course, similar technology will allow this basic design to be improved upon, but I can&#039;t see us getting flexible-mirror peizo-actuator equipped telescopes with laser reference stars in the next 50 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you, VLT.</p>
<p>&#034;#  Aodhhan Says:<br />
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 am</p>
<p>Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&#034;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.<br />
…dream dream dream!&#034;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; SBIG&#039;s A0-8 is about as close as we&#039;ll come in the near future, I would imagine. Of course, similar technology will allow this basic design to be improved upon, but I can&#039;t see us getting flexible-mirror peizo-actuator equipped telescopes with laser reference stars in the next 50 years!</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, just today they were talking about the winners of the baseball playoffs becoming the &quot;World Champions&quot; which still grates with me after years of living here.  I guess one club is Canadian, but calling it the &quot;Word Championship&quot; is still a bit of a stretch.

So I understand exactly what you mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, just today they were talking about the winners of the baseball playoffs becoming the &#034;World Champions&#034; which still grates with me after years of living here.  I guess one club is Canadian, but calling it the &#034;Word Championship&#034; is still a bit of a stretch.</p>
<p>So I understand exactly what you mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haplo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, my bad... Bad day and I just had it with &quot;america&quot; being the only country in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, my bad&#8230; Bad day and I just had it with &#034;america&#034; being the only country in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hapio, I am British and even though I live in the US, I have no plans for becoming an American citizen.   :)

But, it it makes you happy, I doubt any national aviation regulator would be happy to have thousands of amateur astronomers pointing industrial strength lasers into the skies over their respective countries.  Apparently, the big telescopes that use them have to turn them off when a plane gets too close.  That&#039;s workable if you only have a few observatories doing that.

I guess it&#039;s possible that we will find a way to do adaptive optics without needing a laser guide star -- we can now to a limited degree, if the target is within a few arc minutes of a bright star -- then it will open up to us amateurs.

In the meantime, the &quot;lucky imaging&quot; technique is already being use by some pioneering amateurs, and doesn&#039;t need any extra expensive equipment to use it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hapio, I am British and even though I live in the US, I have no plans for becoming an American citizen.   <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But, it it makes you happy, I doubt any national aviation regulator would be happy to have thousands of amateur astronomers pointing industrial strength lasers into the skies over their respective countries.  Apparently, the big telescopes that use them have to turn them off when a plane gets too close.  That&#039;s workable if you only have a few observatories doing that.</p>
<p>I guess it&#039;s possible that we will find a way to do adaptive optics without needing a laser guide star &#8212; we can now to a limited degree, if the target is within a few arc minutes of a bright star &#8212; then it will open up to us amateurs.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the &#034;lucky imaging&#034; technique is already being use by some pioneering amateurs, and doesn&#039;t need any extra expensive equipment to use it either.</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haplo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Not sure the FAA would be too happy to have thousands of powerful lasers pointing into the night&#039;s sky all over the country! &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, because only in USA you&#039;ll get to use this technology (should it be mass marketed)... Come on, get your heads out of your &quot;country&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#034;Not sure the FAA would be too happy to have thousands of powerful lasers pointing into the night&#039;s sky all over the country! &#034;</em></p>
<p>Yes, because only in USA you&#039;ll get to use this technology (should it be mass marketed)&#8230; Come on, get your heads out of your &#034;country&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&quot;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not sure the FAA would be too happy to have thousands of powerful lasers pointing into the night&#039;s sky all over the country! 

As for more practical amateur techniques, perhaps &quot;lucky imaging&quot; might be something for people with small telescopes to try?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&#034;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure the FAA would be too happy to have thousands of powerful lasers pointing into the night&#039;s sky all over the country! </p>
<p>As for more practical amateur techniques, perhaps &#034;lucky imaging&#034; might be something for people with small telescopes to try?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd and Donut -- the oblong shape is due to the fast rotation -- the planet is actually larger in diameter through the equator than it is through the poles. The same is true of Earth, but to a much smaller degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Donut &#8212; the oblong shape is due to the fast rotation &#8212; the planet is actually larger in diameter through the equator than it is through the poles. The same is true of Earth, but to a much smaller degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Sieling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Sieling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same thought as Donut - is the oddness of shape due to the optics, or the equatorial bulge caused by rotation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same thought as Donut &#8211; is the oddness of shape due to the optics, or the equatorial bulge caused by rotation?</p>
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		<title>By: dollhopf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dollhopf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aodhhan Says: 

&quot;Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&quot;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.
…dream dream dream!&quot;



Yes! That would give amateur astronomy a incredible push. 

As the forces of technology thrive ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aodhhan Says: </p>
<p>&#034;Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&#034;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.<br />
…dream dream dream!&#034;</p>
<p>Yes! That would give amateur astronomy a incredible push. </p>
<p>As the forces of technology thrive &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do the same thing with my webcam and 12&quot; Meade.  
Ok, just stacked images not the fancy adaptive technology though. Heh!

Nice image though!  I&#039;m just amazed with how good these ground-based images are getting.  Near Hubble quality!

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do the same thing with my webcam and 12&#034; Meade.<br />
Ok, just stacked images not the fancy adaptive technology though. Heh!</p>
<p>Nice image though!  I&#039;m just amazed with how good these ground-based images are getting.  Near Hubble quality!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Aodhhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aodhhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual exposure time was not 2 hours long. The VLT just spent 2 hours dedicated to Jupiter.

While some things are cleared up it isn&#039;t perfect, so you will have some distortion.
With adaptive optics, the reflector is made up of many mirrors working together to form one large reflector. Each piece is actually making many minor corrections per second to clear up the image. Some software applications can work to smooth the image out more.

The make up of imaging satellites and telescopes are quite different. Imaging satellites don&#039;t require adaptive technology in the same sense; what little is done is often performed my software. They are in low earth orbit so light doesn&#039;t have to travel very far, and the subject is often very well illuminated.
Resolution is much finer with satellites. For spy satellites you are looking at less than one meter per pixel; with digitally converted images from space you are looking at kilometers per pixel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual exposure time was not 2 hours long. The VLT just spent 2 hours dedicated to Jupiter.</p>
<p>While some things are cleared up it isn&#039;t perfect, so you will have some distortion.<br />
With adaptive optics, the reflector is made up of many mirrors working together to form one large reflector. Each piece is actually making many minor corrections per second to clear up the image. Some software applications can work to smooth the image out more.</p>
<p>The make up of imaging satellites and telescopes are quite different. Imaging satellites don&#039;t require adaptive technology in the same sense; what little is done is often performed my software. They are in low earth orbit so light doesn&#039;t have to travel very far, and the subject is often very well illuminated.<br />
Resolution is much finer with satellites. For spy satellites you are looking at less than one meter per pixel; with digitally converted images from space you are looking at kilometers per pixel.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Final Theory?  Sorry to go off topic.  That google ad caught my attention.  Reminds me of when the B.A. had a psychic ad on his site.  Silliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Final Theory?  Sorry to go off topic.  That google ad caught my attention.  Reminds me of when the B.A. had a psychic ad on his site.  Silliness.</p>
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		<title>By: dave s</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how clear images of the Earth from space would be with this technology?  I also wonder what the various countries spy agencies are using in spy satelites to photograph us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how clear images of the Earth from space would be with this technology?  I also wonder what the various countries spy agencies are using in spy satelites to photograph us.</p>
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		<title>By: Vagueofgodalming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vagueofgodalming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it.  Jupiter does nearly a quarter of a rotation in two hours - why isn&#039;t it smeared in longitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t get it.  Jupiter does nearly a quarter of a rotation in two hours &#8211; why isn&#039;t it smeared in longitude?</p>
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		<title>By: BHC</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/02/best-ground-based-image-of-jupiter-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-34740</link>
		<dc:creator>BHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is there a link to the planet-wide upheaval mentioned?  I missed the upheaval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is there a link to the planet-wide upheaval mentioned?  I missed the upheaval.</p>
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		<title>By: Donut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does it look mishapen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does it look mishapen?</p>
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		<title>By: Aodhhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aodhhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&quot;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well. 
...dream dream dream!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be something to have adaptive optic technology advance to a point where it could be used for 12&#034;+ amateur scopes, and affordable as well.<br />
&#8230;dream dream dream!</p>
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