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> <channel><title>Comments on: Two Galaxies Walk Into a Bar&#8230;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:02:40 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: bowling man</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-3/#comment-37125</link> <dc:creator>bowling man</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-37125</guid> <description>Roger, FCD , your jokes was very funny.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, FCD , your jokes was very funny.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-3/#comment-29415</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:41:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-29415</guid> <description>2 nervous young galaxies go into a bar for a speed dating evening.  &quot;Damn, what a bad day to get a couple of new supernovae&quot;, said one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 nervous young galaxies go into a bar for a speed dating evening.  &#034;Damn, what a bad day to get a couple of new supernovae&#034;, said one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-28993</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:26:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-28993</guid> <description>*bows*</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*bows*</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve S</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-28653</link> <dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:41:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-28653</guid> <description>After reading through all these, I&#039;m not even going to attempt it - we already have a winner IMO.
Andrew Guthrie, sir, you are a master. :)
(Several of his are potential winners.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through all these, I&#039;m not even going to attempt it &#8211; we already have a winner IMO.<br
/> Andrew Guthrie, sir, you are a master. <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br
/> (Several of his are potential winners.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27895</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:05:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27895</guid> <description>The three very elderly galaxies were sitting in a bar sinking a few beers and reminiscing about old times.  &quot;You know&quot;, said one, &quot;I&#039;m so old I can remember when the cosmic microwave background was still in visible light&quot;.&quot;That&#039;s nothing&quot;, retorted the second.  &quot;When I was young the universe was still opaque and if you weren&#039;t careful you could lose your outer regions and loose arms with the all rapid inflation that was going on&quot;.They both looked at their friend, who was sitting quietly.  &quot;You haven&#039;t said much tonight, what&#039;s up?&quot;&quot;Sorry boys&quot;, he drawled.  &quot;I don&#039;t hear too good since that Big Bang went off just behind me&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three very elderly galaxies were sitting in a bar sinking a few beers and reminiscing about old times.  &#034;You know&#034;, said one, &#034;I&#039;m so old I can remember when the cosmic microwave background was still in visible light&#034;.</p><p>&#034;That&#039;s nothing&#034;, retorted the second.  &#034;When I was young the universe was still opaque and if you weren&#039;t careful you could lose your outer regions and loose arms with the all rapid inflation that was going on&#034;.</p><p>They both looked at their friend, who was sitting quietly.  &#034;You haven&#039;t said much tonight, what&#039;s up?&#034;</p><p>&#034;Sorry boys&#034;, he drawled.  &#034;I don&#039;t hear too good since that Big Bang went off just behind me&#034;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27892</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:55:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27892</guid> <description>A red shifted galaxy and a blue shifted galaxy walk into a bar together.  The barman looks a bit surprised to see them.  &quot;I thought you were separating&quot;, he said.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A red shifted galaxy and a blue shifted galaxy walk into a bar together.  The barman looks a bit surprised to see them.  &#034;I thought you were separating&#034;, he said.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AstronomyCast Listener</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27807</link> <dc:creator>AstronomyCast Listener</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27807</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar. After staying most of the evening and consuming a considerable amount, they get up to leave. One turns to the other and says, &quot;Is it just me, or is the room spinning?&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar. After staying most of the evening and consuming a considerable amount, they get up to leave. One turns to the other and says, &#034;Is it just me, or is the room spinning?&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Simthefat</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27786</link> <dc:creator>Simthefat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:31:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27786</guid> <description>A galaxy walks into a bar. The bartender says &quot;Hey, we don&#039;t serve drunks in here!&quot;The galaxy replies &quot;I&#039;m not drunk, just a little dizzy.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A galaxy walks into a bar. The bartender says &#034;Hey, we don&#039;t serve drunks in here!&#034;</p><p>The galaxy replies &#034;I&#039;m not drunk, just a little dizzy.&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27726</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27726</guid> <description>Damn it, that punchline should be &quot;We&#039;re galaxies, and each night we&#039;re Messier objects&quot;.  That&#039;s why I died on stage there.Start the engine please driver.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it, that punchline should be &#034;We&#039;re galaxies, and each night we&#039;re Messier objects&#034;.  That&#039;s why I died on stage there.</p><p>Start the engine please driver.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27713</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:32:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27713</guid> <description>Bert and George go into a bar each night.  The first night they were both immaculately dressed, but the second night Bert&#039;s shoes were dirty and George had lost his tie.  Next night George&#039;s jacket was torn and Bert&#039;s hair was unkempt.  Each successive evening their appearances had deteriorated somewhat and after a week of this the barman was very curious.  &quot;Excuse me gentlemen&quot;, he said, &quot;but I can&#039;t help noticing that you are steadily becoming less well presented, what&#039;s going on?&quot;.&quot;It&#039;s very simple&quot;, replied George. &quot;We&#039;re galaxies, and each night we&#039;re Messier&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bert and George go into a bar each night.  The first night they were both immaculately dressed, but the second night Bert&#039;s shoes were dirty and George had lost his tie.  Next night George&#039;s jacket was torn and Bert&#039;s hair was unkempt.  Each successive evening their appearances had deteriorated somewhat and after a week of this the barman was very curious.  &#034;Excuse me gentlemen&#034;, he said, &#034;but I can&#039;t help noticing that you are steadily becoming less well presented, what&#039;s going on?&#034;.</p><p>&#034;It&#039;s very simple&#034;, replied George. &#034;We&#039;re galaxies, and each night we&#039;re Messier&#034;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27710</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:16:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27710</guid> <description>2 galaxies walked into their local pub.  One says to the barman &quot;I&#039;d like a gin and tonic please and a pint of ale for my friend&quot;.  &quot;Certainly sir&quot;, replied the barman.  Before drinking the other galaxy says &quot;Is this a lager I see before me, the handle toward my hand?  Come, let me clutch thee.  To drink or not to drink, that is the question.&quot;&quot;Does he always talk like that?&quot;, the barman enquired of his friend.  &quot;Well yes, actually&quot;, ansewered the first galaxy.  &quot;After all, he is the barred of Avon&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 galaxies walked into their local pub.  One says to the barman &#034;I&#039;d like a gin and tonic please and a pint of ale for my friend&#034;.  &#034;Certainly sir&#034;, replied the barman.  Before drinking the other galaxy says &#034;Is this a lager I see before me, the handle toward my hand?  Come, let me clutch thee.  To drink or not to drink, that is the question.&#034;</p><p>&#034;Does he always talk like that?&#034;, the barman enquired of his friend.  &#034;Well yes, actually&#034;, ansewered the first galaxy.  &#034;After all, he is the barred of Avon&#034;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27709</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:10:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27709</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a pub - it was The Spiral Arms.There was a &quot;battle of the bands&quot; contest on that night, but they couldn&#039;t take part - they weren&#039;t members of their Local Group.Taxi!!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a pub &#8211; it was The Spiral Arms.</p><p>There was a &#034;battle of the bands&#034; contest on that night, but they couldn&#039;t take part &#8211; they weren&#039;t members of their Local Group.</p><p>Taxi!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew Guthrie</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27708</link> <dc:creator>Andrew Guthrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:05:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27708</guid> <description>After being chatted up by a middle aged galaxy for a while a young girl finally loses patience and tells him to &quot;Get lost, creep!&quot;.  After he has left the bartender says to the girl &quot;That was a bit harsh wasn&#039;t it?  What did he do to upset you?&quot;  The girl replies &quot;Well, he was highly irregular and his arms were just everywhere!&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After being chatted up by a middle aged galaxy for a while a young girl finally loses patience and tells him to &#034;Get lost, creep!&#034;.  After he has left the bartender says to the girl &#034;That was a bit harsh wasn&#039;t it?  What did he do to upset you?&#034;  The girl replies &#034;Well, he was highly irregular and his arms were just everywhere!&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Parr</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27695</link> <dc:creator>Chris Parr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:56:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27695</guid> <description>Two galaxies walked into a bar and the place went crazy.  Everybody was attracted to them and they were treated like stars.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walked into a bar and the place went crazy.  Everybody was attracted to them and they were treated like stars.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Parr</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27694</link> <dc:creator>Chris Parr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:53:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27694</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar and ask to see the drinks menu.  Four hours later they still haven&#039;t ordered anything and the barman is getting really fed up.&quot;If you&#039;re not going to order anything I&#039;m going to have to ask you to leave.&quot; says the barman&quot;We do want a drink&quot; says the first galaxy, &quot;but there&#039;s too much choice.  We just keep going around and around and around!&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar and ask to see the drinks menu.  Four hours later they still haven&#039;t ordered anything and the barman is getting really fed up.</p><p>&#034;If you&#039;re not going to order anything I&#039;m going to have to ask you to leave.&#034; says the barman</p><p>&#034;We do want a drink&#034; says the first galaxy, &#034;but there&#039;s too much choice.  We just keep going around and around and around!&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Parr</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27693</link> <dc:creator>Chris Parr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:47:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27693</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar, but before they can even order any drinks the bartender stops them and says &quot;I&#039;m sorry, we don&#039;t serve food!&quot;...think about it......does this joke only work in the UK?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar, but before they can even order any drinks the bartender stops them and says &#034;I&#039;m sorry, we don&#039;t serve food!&#034;</p><p>&#8230;think about it&#8230;</p><p>&#8230;does this joke only work in the UK?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27640</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:38:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27640</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar called the meaning of Life......and as soon as they walk in there&#039;s a mixture of scientists and religious people scattered all around the floor .....
The two galaxies sit down , call for the bartender abd get their drinks , the galaxies then realize there&#039;s a person at the end of the bar , They then called for the bartender again , the bartender angrily answers &quot; What??? YOU guys are drunk already!!! , the galaxies respond pointing at the guy at the end of the bar and exclaim &quot; no , but he is &quot; ...the bartender calmly counters ..&quot; no , he came in like that &quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar called the meaning of Life&#8230;&#8230;and as soon as they walk in there&#039;s a mixture of scientists and religious people scattered all around the floor &#8230;..<br
/> The two galaxies sit down , call for the bartender abd get their drinks , the galaxies then realize there&#039;s a person at the end of the bar , They then called for the bartender again , the bartender angrily answers &#034; What??? YOU guys are drunk already!!! , the galaxies respond pointing at the guy at the end of the bar and exclaim &#034; no , but he is &#034; &#8230;the bartender calmly counters ..&#034; no , he came in like that &#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27634</link> <dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27634</guid> <description>Two spiral arm galaxies walk into a bar.  The mature one orders a a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster.  The bartender looks at them and gives the mature one the drink.  His ID showed he was 42.  The younger one wasn&#039;t subsequently barred and blown up by the vogons to make way for a space way :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two spiral arm galaxies walk into a bar.  The mature one orders a a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster.  The bartender looks at them and gives the mature one the drink.  His ID showed he was 42.  The younger one wasn&#039;t subsequently barred and blown up by the vogons to make way for a space way <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mikel</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27631</link> <dc:creator>Mikel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27631</guid> <description>Two galaxies, one old, one young, get in line for entrance into a posh nightclub.  Once they finally get up to the door, only the young one is allowed in.&quot;Why can&#039;t I get in?&quot; says the older galaxy.The bouncer says, &quot;Because you&#039;re a barred spiral, that&#039;s why!&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies, one old, one young, get in line for entrance into a posh nightclub.  Once they finally get up to the door, only the young one is allowed in.</p><p>&#034;Why can&#039;t I get in?&#034; says the older galaxy.</p><p>The bouncer says, &#034;Because you&#039;re a barred spiral, that&#039;s why!&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Buddy Hackett</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27627</link> <dc:creator>Buddy Hackett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27627</guid> <description>two galaxies and a rabbi walk in to a bar.the first galaxy orders a glass of mogen david.the rabbi looks at him and says,  &quot;that&#039;s funny, you don&#039;t look jewish.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two galaxies and a rabbi walk in to a bar.</p><p>the first galaxy orders a glass of mogen david.</p><p>the rabbi looks at him and says,  &#034;that&#039;s funny, you don&#039;t look jewish.&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AndJames</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27619</link> <dc:creator>AndJames</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:55:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27619</guid> <description>I have read both Nancy&#039;s and the NASA prerelease and was a little shocked with the mixed messages presented in both articles. I am unsure why both miss the current researches into barred sprial galaxies and the significant improvement in the evolution of barred spirals. Both misses out on the recent discoveries into this interesting topic - the nature of barred spirals themselves!To make clear and give an explain; There is strong implication that the evolution of the barred spirals are both sonewhat transitent for galaxies of this sort.The quote of Brudce Elmegreen - a staunch investigator of galaxy formation and evolution is quoted only in saying; &quot;The tiny elongations in the stars&#039; orbits grow and they get locked into place, making a bar. The bar becomes even stronger as it locks more and more of these elongated orbits into place. Eventually a high fraction of the stars in the galaxy&#039;s inner region join the bar&quot; explains how bars are forned, but it doesn&#039;t explain there dissolution and their general instabilities.As for the evolution of galaxies, there is a view that there is during the formation of galaxies that there is significant transfer exchange (c.99%) of angular momentum between the central disk out to the spiral structure. [1] As they evolve, they reverse this exchange, and instead tend to form a single bar in the core of the galaxyIt has been known for sometime, that there has some strong evidence that the spiral arms are feeding gas into the central regions by sprial patterns. This seemingly explains the unexpectedly bright nuclei of some Sc or Sd sprials. I.e. NGC 1300 in Eridanus, NGC 1097 and NGC 1365 in Fornax.
One of the best recent papers explaining the phenomena (via simulations) was made by Bournaud et al. (2005), who found their lifetime as finite, and these may only exist of one to two billion years before disintergrating. He explains that the bars eventually; &quot;weaken due to growing central mass concentrations, and due to the gravity torque and angular momentum transfer from the infalling gas to the stellar bar.&quot;
Bournaud et.al. (2005) [2], again explain this in a seperate paper, he says; &quot;But another overlooked mechanism, the transfer of angular momentum from the in falling gas to the stellar bar, can also strongly weaken the bar. In addition, we show that gravity torques are correctly reproduced in simulations, and conclude that bars are transient features, with life-time of 1-2Gyr in typical Sb-Sc galaxies...&quot;Even more recently, Dabattista &amp; Victor (2006) investigated the disk structure in barred spirals bt doing computer simulations and mesing with the parameters. Here they found other torque effects were placed on the bar, determining that; &quot;We find that bars are robust structures that survive buckling and require a large (~20% of the total mass of the disk) central mass concentration to be destroyed.&quot;An example of some of the computer simulations and investigations into barred sprils as made recently by Saigo et.al. [5]&quot;The bar mode changes the... disk into a fast-rotating bar. The angular momentum is transferred from the bar to the outer infalling envelope, and spiral density waves are emitted outward. The bar shrinks into a smaller round disk after the angular momentum transfer. This increases the accretion rate temporarily. The disk grows through accretion and becomes unstable against the bar mode again. Accretion is dynamical and that its rate is highly variable in the early disk.&quot;Those interested in the dynamics and evolution of barred spirals should see Sellwood (1996) [6]This better explains the last paragraph of Nancy&#039;s article, which states;
&quot;The formation of a bar may be the final important act in the evolution of a spiral galaxy,&quot; [Kaitik] Sheth said. &quot;Galaxies are thought to build themselves up through mergers with other galaxies. After settling down, the only other dramatic way for galaxies to evolve is through the action of bars.&quot;There is also some recent work on barred spirals, in that they may form, dissolve, then form again over several billion years, whose process ramps up the star formation, then relaxes for a while, reorganises, then starts the process again. They may also do so in different periods, depending on the size of the galaxy and the way they were organised when they ere first formed.Again, like most of the star formation regions, angular momentum. its conservation, and dissipation of its energy are the keys to the
final outcomes of the celestail object we observe. (Its a pity that we don&#039;t educate novices of its importance and fundemental importance in object formation and evolution. Were it so, ths Press Release  may have had far more impact.As a comment, I think the problem with the NASA Press Release from the Hubble SIte is that it it too slick for what it is trying to explain to the novice or advanced novice.-----------------------------As too the &quot;joke&quot;, I think it is a terrible distraction from the gist of the article, and from the responses I figure that many have missed the point altogether.Two galaxies walked into a bar and said; &quot;let&#039;s go ballroom dancing&quot; In barred spirals, at least, their mutual gravitational embrace is far more elegant.  (Also the closer you move together, the faster you go - courtesy of the conservation of angular momentum.References:
[1.] Jan Palous &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/pdf/0708.0949v1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Evolution of Galaxies&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. (2007)[2.]Bournaud, F.; Jog, C. J.; Combes, F. (2005) &lt;a href=&quot;http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005A%26A...437...69B&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Galaxy mergers with various mass ratios: Properties of remnants&quot;&lt;/a&gt;[3.]Bournaud, F., Combes, F., B. Semelin: MNRAS., 364, L18 (2005).
&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0509126&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The lifetime of galactic bars: central mass concentrations and gravity torques.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;[4.] Debattista, Victor P., &lt;a href=&quot;http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006ApJ...645..209D&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Secular Evolution of Disk Structural Parameters&quot;&lt;/a&gt; ApJ., 645, 209 (2006)(5.] Saigo, Kazuya; Hanawa, Tomoyuki; Matsumoto, Tomoaki; &lt;a href=&quot;http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006ApJ...645..381S&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Evolution of First Cores in Rotating Molecular Cores&quot;&lt;/a&gt; ApJ., 645, 381 (2006)
[6.] Sellwood, J. A.; &lt;a href=&quot;http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1996ASPC...91..259S&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bar Formation, Evolution and Destruction&lt;/a&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read both Nancy&#039;s and the NASA prerelease and was a little shocked with the mixed messages presented in both articles. I am unsure why both miss the current researches into barred sprial galaxies and the significant improvement in the evolution of barred spirals. Both misses out on the recent discoveries into this interesting topic &#8211; the nature of barred spirals themselves!</p><p>To make clear and give an explain; There is strong implication that the evolution of the barred spirals are both sonewhat transitent for galaxies of this sort.</p><p>The quote of Brudce Elmegreen &#8211; a staunch investigator of galaxy formation and evolution is quoted only in saying; &#034;The tiny elongations in the stars&#039; orbits grow and they get locked into place, making a bar. The bar becomes even stronger as it locks more and more of these elongated orbits into place. Eventually a high fraction of the stars in the galaxy&#039;s inner region join the bar&#034; explains how bars are forned, but it doesn&#039;t explain there dissolution and their general instabilities.</p><p>As for the evolution of galaxies, there is a view that there is during the formation of galaxies that there is significant transfer exchange (c.99%) of angular momentum between the central disk out to the spiral structure. [1] As they evolve, they reverse this exchange, and instead tend to form a single bar in the core of the galaxy</p><p>It has been known for sometime, that there has some strong evidence that the spiral arms are feeding gas into the central regions by sprial patterns. This seemingly explains the unexpectedly bright nuclei of some Sc or Sd sprials. I.e. NGC 1300 in Eridanus, NGC 1097 and NGC 1365 in Fornax.<br
/> One of the best recent papers explaining the phenomena (via simulations) was made by Bournaud et al. (2005), who found their lifetime as finite, and these may only exist of one to two billion years before disintergrating. He explains that the bars eventually; &#034;weaken due to growing central mass concentrations, and due to the gravity torque and angular momentum transfer from the infalling gas to the stellar bar.&#034;<br
/> Bournaud et.al. (2005) [2], again explain this in a seperate paper, he says; &#034;But another overlooked mechanism, the transfer of angular momentum from the in falling gas to the stellar bar, can also strongly weaken the bar. In addition, we show that gravity torques are correctly reproduced in simulations, and conclude that bars are transient features, with life-time of 1-2Gyr in typical Sb-Sc galaxies&#8230;&#034;</p><p>Even more recently, Dabattista &amp; Victor (2006) investigated the disk structure in barred spirals bt doing computer simulations and mesing with the parameters. Here they found other torque effects were placed on the bar, determining that; &#034;We find that bars are robust structures that survive buckling and require a large (~20% of the total mass of the disk) central mass concentration to be destroyed.&#034;</p><p>An example of some of the computer simulations and investigations into barred sprils as made recently by Saigo et.al. [5]</p><p>&#034;The bar mode changes the&#8230; disk into a fast-rotating bar. The angular momentum is transferred from the bar to the outer infalling envelope, and spiral density waves are emitted outward. The bar shrinks into a smaller round disk after the angular momentum transfer. This increases the accretion rate temporarily. The disk grows through accretion and becomes unstable against the bar mode again. Accretion is dynamical and that its rate is highly variable in the early disk.&#034;</p><p>Those interested in the dynamics and evolution of barred spirals should see Sellwood (1996) [6]</p><p>This better explains the last paragraph of Nancy&#039;s article, which states;<br
/> &#034;The formation of a bar may be the final important act in the evolution of a spiral galaxy,&#034; [Kaitik] Sheth said. &#034;Galaxies are thought to build themselves up through mergers with other galaxies. After settling down, the only other dramatic way for galaxies to evolve is through the action of bars.&#034;</p><p>There is also some recent work on barred spirals, in that they may form, dissolve, then form again over several billion years, whose process ramps up the star formation, then relaxes for a while, reorganises, then starts the process again. They may also do so in different periods, depending on the size of the galaxy and the way they were organised when they ere first formed.</p><p>Again, like most of the star formation regions, angular momentum. its conservation, and dissipation of its energy are the keys to the<br
/> final outcomes of the celestail object we observe. (Its a pity that we don&#039;t educate novices of its importance and fundemental importance in object formation and evolution. Were it so, ths Press Release  may have had far more impact.</p><p>As a comment, I think the problem with the NASA Press Release from the Hubble SIte is that it it too slick for what it is trying to explain to the novice or advanced novice.</p><p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p><p>As too the &#034;joke&#034;, I think it is a terrible distraction from the gist of the article, and from the responses I figure that many have missed the point altogether.</p><p>Two galaxies walked into a bar and said; &#034;let&#039;s go ballroom dancing&#034; In barred spirals, at least, their mutual gravitational embrace is far more elegant.  (Also the closer you move together, the faster you go &#8211; courtesy of the conservation of angular momentum.</p><p>References:<br
/> [1.] Jan Palous <a
href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/0708.0949v1" rel="nofollow">&#034;The Evolution of Galaxies&#034;</a>. (2007)</p><p>[2.]Bournaud, F.; Jog, C. J.; Combes, F. (2005) <a
href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005A%26A...437...69B" rel="nofollow"> &#034;Galaxy mergers with various mass ratios: Properties of remnants&#034;</a></p><p>[3.]Bournaud, F., Combes, F., B. Semelin: MNRAS., 364, L18 (2005).<br
/> <a
href="http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0509126" rel="nofollow">&#034;The lifetime of galactic bars: central mass concentrations and gravity torques.&#034;</a></p><p>[4.] Debattista, Victor P., <a
href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006ApJ...645..209D" rel="nofollow">&#034;The Secular Evolution of Disk Structural Parameters&#034;</a> ApJ., 645, 209 (2006)</p><p>(5.] Saigo, Kazuya; Hanawa, Tomoyuki; Matsumoto, Tomoaki; <a
href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006ApJ...645..381S" rel="nofollow">&#034;Evolution of First Cores in Rotating Molecular Cores&#034;</a> ApJ., 645, 381 (2006)<br
/> [6.] Sellwood, J. A.; <a
href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1996ASPC...91..259S" rel="nofollow">Bar Formation, Evolution and Destruction</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joker</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-2/#comment-27609</link> <dc:creator>Joker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:30:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27609</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar...The old galaxy says &quot;have you read Universe Today?&quot;The young galaxy replies &quot;it&#039;s ghey.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar&#8230;</p><p>The old galaxy says &#034;have you read Universe Today?&#034;</p><p>The young galaxy replies &#034;it&#039;s ghey.&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jag904</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-27602</link> <dc:creator>jag904</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:30:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27602</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar and start to order a drink. The Bartender says &quot;Hey, how&#039;d you two get in here!!&quot;  The two galaxies look at each other, confused. &quot;Uh, we walked in here.&quot; Said one of the galaxies. &quot;Thats impossible!&quot; Says the bartender, &quot;You don&#039;t have any legs.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar and start to order a drink. The Bartender says &#034;Hey, how&#039;d you two get in here!!&#034;  The two galaxies look at each other, confused. &#034;Uh, we walked in here.&#034; Said one of the galaxies. &#034;Thats impossible!&#034; Says the bartender, &#034;You don&#039;t have any legs.&#034;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Al Hall</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-27600</link> <dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27600</guid> <description>Two galaxies walk into a bar and to their horror see the Eagle nebula wrestling and penetrating a rouge black hole with one of its â€œelephantâ€ trunks. The nebula then retracts the trunk and turns to the galaxies and says â€œI would like to see any galaxy do that!â€. The younger of the two galaxies floats over and says â€œI think I can do that, but donâ€™t know if I can open my black hole that wideâ€â€¦ ;-)
I know, I know...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two galaxies walk into a bar and to their horror see the Eagle nebula wrestling and penetrating a rouge black hole with one of its â€œelephantâ€ trunks. The nebula then retracts the trunk and turns to the galaxies and says â€œI would like to see any galaxy do that!â€. The younger of the two galaxies floats over and says â€œI think I can do that, but donâ€™t know if I can open my black hole that wideâ€â€¦ <img
src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br
/> I know, I know&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Helio George</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/29/two-galaxies-walk-into-a-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-27598</link> <dc:creator>Helio George</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=16155#comment-27598</guid> <description>Two spirals walk into a bar.  They order two drinks each but the bartender points out they have no hands.  They respond, &quot;yeah, but we got two arms&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two spirals walk into a bar.  They order two drinks each but the bartender points out they have no hands.  They respond, &#034;yeah, but we got two arms&#034;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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