Proof does not make something real. It only convinces you that it is real. If it is real, it is real even if you have no proof at all.

Many smokers who died of lung cancer when the suspicion of a link was still young can testify to that. If they weren't dead, that is.

So while we hear about the dangers of uncritical belief, let's also consider the dangers of dogmatic skepticism. Science is slow, and sometimes people have to move faster than science can tolerate.

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This is a running joke in the Doctor Who series. The Earth is continually invaded by Daleks, and Cybermen, and lions and tigers and bears, all out in the open where everyone can see them and their ships – but still nobody believes in aliens. It's hilarious.

What would you do if you were in power, and aliens contacted you?

Imagine for a moment that an alien race has come to Earth and contacts you, the President of the United States, to hash out a treaty.

First and foremost the alien leader tells you that under no circumstances is their presence to be publicly revealed.

Furthermore, your government and military must turn a blind eye on their experiments on humans and allow them free passage anywhere on Earth.

If you comply with their demand for secrecy, they will reward you with advanced technology. If you refuse and reveal the truth to the public, they will invade and kill countless millions of people.

Are you really going to tell me that you'd choose to tell the public? Is the truth more important than human lives?

Things are not always so cut and dry as they appear. I'm all for ending the coverup, but there well be morally justifiable reasons for the continuing silence.

The UFO conspiracy would be quite possible if UFOS would deem a threat to our goverments control over us … any buraucracy gets nervous if it feels threatened as its main goal sometimes becomes its own self perpetuation and its original goal is discarded…..
like protecting the veterans or the Native American Indians by their designated agencies.

Consider the exposure to radiation of us servicemen in the nuclear and other tests.
Conspiracies have occurred in the past .
Consider the demise of the "Electric Car" and the recent papers about it .

If you follow the Money it inicates this .

Oil companies and automobile dealers killed the Electric Car.

Pharmaceutical Companies trashed possible Amazon cures for a birth control pill to be derived from a "different root " that would only need to be taken once a year because they are making a fortune on selling pills that have to be taken once a day.

What about the tobacco industry conspiracy to mislead on cancer issues?

What about the Agent Orange conspiracy to cover up the effects of it ?
Some said the biggest enemy of the Veteran is the Veteran's Administration and the biggest enemy of the American Indian is the dept of Indian Affairs.
What about the past effort to coceal the truth about cures for debilitating diseases by means of fasting and a diet of vegetables, fish , nuts and seeds, whole grains ,fruits, olive oil,garlic and avoiding red meat and anything white including …potatoes,bread,pasta.
Doctors used to deny its merits but finally they to were forced to admit the merits of the new food pyramid.
What about the possible conspiracy between the pharma. companies and the medical establishment to prolong life with pills and more pills and also with Mcdonalds to complete the circle and cycle of making you sick with improper food so Mcdonnalds gets rich Doctors get rich and the pharma. companies get rich. They need us patients to complete the circle…of make em sick , give em pills make em better make em sick etc… until finallly the funeral parlors get the last out of our flesh … we are sort of like slaves and are needed for them to make money from our bodies.
Then there is david ickes idea as a conspiracy starting way back in ancient times by extra terrestrials to enslave the human race by creating wars, diseases etc to keep us in bondage and make use and profit from our bodies
What about the conspiracy mentioned in zeitgeist ?
I don't believe some of them but I can't say 100% they are all false.

You pounce too quickly on Dr. Mitchell because he considers and is associated with some of the ideas not yet proven by the human mind..

this is a cowardly thing to do.

Its sort of like labeling someone "not a real man" because he wears a colorful shirt or wears shorts as was the case in the not too distant past back in the 50's.

This type behavior of the "LABLER" always points a finger back 180 degrees to him and his or her own character flaws.
Those lablers usually don't accomplish much.

Anouther example is the non acceptance of Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Theorem in 1932 by the famous Philosopher Wittingstein in Austria because the proof was so weird and complex and not really "down to earth"
The Pure Mathematician Dr. Hilbert had spent years trying to prove the opposite along with Whitehead abd Russel , but at least they admited and accepted the truth and proof of it.
Godel's proof may have an analogy in the field of Cosmology and Particle Physics.

The problem with you would be applied engineers and scientists is that you demand rigorous proofs which you can understand only with the inferior mental tools God or nature gave you and so , you scoff at a speculation which is not respectful in your way of thinking , partly beacause of your enlarged egos and INCOMPLETE mental capability to allow your mind to wander "out of the box".

So your failure to understand Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Theorem really makes you unfit to question or JUDGE the musings and and speculations and conjectures of the mental giants like him and his close friend Einstein like him and so keeps you "earthbound" …

Dr Mitchell was and is not "Earthbound" in the physical or the mental world.

Former Pres Carter , former Senator Goldwater from Arizona , many pilots and other educated people have reported this phenomena.

DavidM babbles on at his own low level and labels the UFO group as using poor english grammar and low intelligence , whereas David S presents a constructive argument.

What does a little poor grammar have to do with it …
How many languages do you speak Mr. DavidM ? I speak three but my grammar is not perfect.
I was in the white flint mall in Bethesda where many languages are heard and occasionally comments like "Why don't they speak proper English "
Now this points 180 deg back to the commenters. People are now looking at them for character flaws …labeling of them as possible rednecks or stupid people .. so it
is a vicious game and circle … maybe its really best to not be a labler of lablers even ?
maybe to live and let live and respect all ideas mo matter how "out of the box" they may seem.

I assume this is because they are of low intelligence.

Or perhaps, in the words of 'David S'; "they have an alterer motive" and are doing it "purely for them selves"

Just do some reading. There's something undeniable going on.

A lot of researchers who could be getting good grant money are doing UFO research pretty much for free, because no one is going to sponsor that.

Some of us are just interested in knowing what the governments know, especially the US government. There's too many former military people coming out and saying things, many of them with not much longer to live, and no reason for saying these things, except they truly believe people have a right to know what's going on.

We have been so conditioned by sci-fi movies, that the whole idea that there are beings not from here, and we are talking about more than one race of aliens, seems way too far fetched. Why don't they make them selves public? We are too violent, plus it seems they have an alterer motive. possibly not in our best interests, and purely for them selves.

Crazy talk? Yep, sounds like the ranting of a lunatic … but I didn't make any of this up, and I'm as shocked as anyone might be learning these things. I'm waiting as many are to find out if any of this is true, but have seen enough to not be able to ignore it. Even though we are all conditioned to not accept any of it. It sounds like our sci-fi, and why do we make up stories like this, over and over again?

A good book on the subject… The Gods of Eden by William Bramley.

From some reviews:

"Attorney William Bramley … spent seven years trying to understand the root causes of war before finally disclosing his startling conclusions in The Gods of Eden.

Bramley was not interested, and didn't believe in UFOs when he started researching the origins of human warfare. However, his research eventually led him to what he shares in this book: evidence that alien visitors have conspired to dominate humankind through violence and chaos since the beginning of time."

'UFOs have been lurking in the shadows of history for centuries,' he says. 'Surprisingly, they may be a key to unravelling the human puzzle.'

though Bramley's book concerns UFOs, he says that he did not set out to write a book about UFOs but rather about the origins of war. He says:

There are few subjects today as full of false information, deceit, and madness as "flying saucers." Many earnest people who attempt to study the subject are driven around in circles by a terrific amount of dishonesty from a small number of people who, for the sake of a fleeting moment of notoriety or with the deliberate intention to obfuscate, have clouded the field with false reports, untenable "explanations," and fraudulent evidence. Suffice it to say that behind this smokescreen there is ample evidence of extraterrestrial visitations to Earth. This is too bad. An in-depth study of the UFO phenomenon reveals that it does not offer a happy little romp through the titillating unknown. The UFO appears more and more to be one of the grimmest realities ever confronted by the human race. — The Gods of Eden, pp.8-9.

After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: '… Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?' … [Bush:] This work continues. This story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm. — George W. Bush, Inaugural Address, 2001-01-20 [These words probably put into Bush's mouth by his principal speech-writer, evangelical Christian Michael Gerson.]

That's not to say it's wrong, but personally, if you send me cash, I'll believe just about anything ..

Gordon Cooper wrote in his memoirs that as far as he knows, it is the only officially reported account of a UFO in any of the Mercury, Gemini or Apollo missions."

I just don't know. I guess until Kerellan decides we are ready, we will not know (Kerellan is the Overlord leader in Arthur C. Clarke's, "Childhood's End", reported to be fictional.)

thankyou!

There's been a few ex military offers that came out and said we really had crashed saucers at Roswell. Why would they risk their reputation to do this?

For the time being we have to believe people like Dr. Mitchell. He has nothing to gain by telling what he has been told, and obviously he thinks it's important. Buzz was going to do it on Larry King.. he told Stanton Freidman he was going to tell what he saw, but he chickened out at the last minute. Pity.

So you have to do a bit of your own digging, and you will hit a lot of pay dirt.

If you actually read some of the better literature on the subject, and I'd guess you haven't, there's a very strange common thread amongst alien abductees. A lot of the minutiae is not publicized to stop copy cats, but yet time after time people report the same odd details.

To make matters even more befuddled, Dr. Rick Strassman had his test subjects tell his things that were told to them by the being they had contact with while under DMT, and once again, the same stories keep coming up, and that also match alien abduction reports.

These odd things don't make much sense to us, but taken from the viewpoint of an alien culture, who knows.

One of the repeating, yet mostly overlooked experiences involves some obsession with our emotions. Apparently abductees, and Dr. Strassman's patients, have been told by these being that they no longer feel emotions, and are studying us. That's not something dozens of people would make up. I think people would come up with a better story!

So, yeah, we aren't all that special… To us. But who knows?

"How do you explain why no amateur astronomers were able to detect incoming craft of such a number…"

Because they aren't incoming. There are some good video clips from the shuttles that get explained away as ice. And there have been stories of things tracked on global radars, even NORAD.

But look how hard it is using a telescope to see a satellite. They go by the rather narrow field of view to quickly.

But there are a lot of good photographs and even video of UFOs.

I've been studying this since I was a kid, and I'm 51 this year, and I no longer thing UFO's come from another star system out there… I think it's something else we don't have any knowledge of. They are often seen to just "blink" out, or just appear. So we have to abandon that whole notion of them flying though space in vast numbers. They are witnessed to just show up out of nowhere. Even on radar they are seen to just disappear. So either they don't travel in a linear fashion, or they can make themselves undetectable. Why not? We have stealth aircraft. And we still travel using controlled explosions!

We have to stop ridiculing people who see these things, or no real truth will ever come out. But that's how it's done. How many here know that the tabloid the National Enquirer has a history of publishing more factual UFO sightings than any other paper? But look what they do, they mix it in with obvious nonsense.

And who founding the Enquirer? Gene Pope. He listed in his Who's Who biography that he worked for the CIA as an intelligence officer in 1951, and elsewhere described his work as being connected to "psychological warfare." In 1952, Pope purchased the New York Enquirer. He allegedly received financing for this from mobster Frank Costello, who was well connected within the intelligence community, having worked for the Office of Strategic Services and the Office of Naval Intelligence during World War II.

Pope was also supported by powerful sources within the US government. When the Winn-Dixie grocery chain refused to carry the National Enquirer, chain executives were entertained by Defense Secretary Melvin Laird and treated to a half-hour meeting with President Richard Nixon, both meetings arranged by Pope. The chain has carried the Enquirer ever since. When Gene Pope died in 1988, Melvin Laird delivered the eulogy at his funeral.

You just can't make this stuff up! But there is is, all on public record. A perfect smear campaign to get people to not take UFO's seriously. And it's still like this today.

Exactly. If people would take the time to look into the UFO phenomena with an open mind, they would see that there are large bodies of evidence available.

People want "empirical" evidence. Empirical is defined as: "based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic"

There have been countless experiences and observations of UFO that cannot be explained away. Many of these observations are by trained persons such as pilots and even astronauts. These experiences have occurred on every continent on the globe.

Sure, it makes some people uncomfortable, but something it going on that credible people are seeing and photographing. Odd things get tracked on radar all the time.

Last year Aurigny Airlines captain Ray Bowyer in the UK spotted two objects he believed to be each a mile wide.

It goes on and on. Now reasonable people will realize the difficulties in another civilization traveling the mind numbingly vast distances between the closest stars and our own. Yet, we have human records of odd things in the skies, and odd beings coming from the skies as long as there has been humans writing or painting such experiences.

That doesn't make sense of course. Why wound alien beings be coming here for thousands of years? And where would they get the resources to do so? So the most probable answer is they aren't coming from the vast reaches of space. And this is a part we don't yet understand.

The idea of alien abductions ruffles even more feathers, an yet once again, there's a lot of people having these experiences, on every continent of the globe. Credible researches, like the late John Mack, MD, felt these people experiencing these things are sane, and something is indeed going on. Dr. Rick Strassman did research into the drug DMT, and was shocked to find half of his test subjects had interactions with large eyed insect looking intelligent beings. Some said they left their bodies and went to a "space craft" where these beings were.

Dr. Strassman had no prior interest in UFOs or alien abductions, and didn't even see the correlation until writing a book years later, and looking through his notes. Now indeed his subjects never left the hospital bed, and these people also never had any experiences with, or in UFO's, but had these classic abductions phenomena while in a hospital bed until the influence of DMT, a drug present in our brain, and in most living things on this planet. This same drug also mimics the near death experience had by many people.

What does it all mean? Are we pre wired to sometimes be able to experience another dimension or something else as far fetched that we have yet to understand, that is a normal part of our reality?

We have to stop being hung up on only what we can measure, since we can't measure something we don't know about.

Dr. Mitchell isn't the only astronaut to believe in UFO's. There are enough stories of things that Armstrong and Aldrin have told people. There's also some interesting transcriptions of conversations between Apollo astronauts and Houston about things there were seeing on the moon, and a lot of odd code words being used, like "here's Barbara!"

We have to stop waiting for a "smoking gun".. there isn't going to be one. Not from the US. But other countries are posting all their UFO files online.

We may have come here on different ships, but we are all in the same boat now.
Rev. ML King

You are not alone. I too am waiting for us to change our ways. Just keep a steady hand on the rudder girl and I'll keep on a rowin'. We'll get to that star with no name together.