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> <channel><title>Comments on: Aldrin Warns that NASA will fall Behind Russia and China in Space Exploration</title> <atom:link href="http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/</link> <description>Space and astronomy news</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:12:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: automotive jacks</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-58410</link> <dc:creator>automotive jacks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:34:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-58410</guid> <description>This is the first time I comment  here and I should say that you share   genuine, and quality information for other bloggers! Great job.
p.s. You have a very good template for your blog. Where did you find it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I comment  here and I should say that you share   genuine, and quality information for other bloggers! Great job.<br
/> p.s. You have a very good template for your blog. Where did you find it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: analyst</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-35340</link> <dc:creator>analyst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-35340</guid> <description>Russia already is ahead in space tech.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia already is ahead in space tech.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Afonso</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-28006</link> <dc:creator>Afonso</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:06:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-28006</guid> <description>I think Russia will reach Mars first (with humans onboard) with a Fly-By non-orbital non-landing mission.
Next will be a controversial Russian flag-planting one-man one-way trip.
And only long after that, when the dificult issue of landing big payloads on Mars without undergoing man killing G forces, will an International (NASA/Russia/JAXA/China) mission acomplish return of living astronauts</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Russia will reach Mars first (with humans onboard) with a Fly-By non-orbital non-landing mission.<br
/> Next will be a controversial Russian flag-planting one-man one-way trip.<br
/> And only long after that, when the dificult issue of landing big payloads on Mars without undergoing man killing G forces, will an International (NASA/Russia/JAXA/China) mission acomplish return of living astronauts</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Johnson</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25168</link> <dc:creator>Mike Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25168</guid> <description>Evil,
The camera was used by both men and was attached to whoever was using it. Armstrong had it longer because he was on the surface first and therefore longer than Aldrin. Aldrin has many pictures credited to him.
Aldrin wants us to believe that NASA sent two men to the moon with a camera and no plan to take pictures of the first man on the moon, just the second.
This didn&#039;t happen in a vacuum (pardon the pun). Aldrin lobbied hard (and angered many astronauts by doing so) to be first out onto the surface, even going so far as asking Neil to lobby for him as well. But tradition and simple mechanics won out over ego and Buzz  was left with a bit of childish historical sabotage to mark his career. It worked. To this day photos of the First Man on the Moon are still being produced by technicians who use software to &quot;unbend&quot; the reflections off of Buzz&#039;s helmet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil,<br
/> The camera was used by both men and was attached to whoever was using it. Armstrong had it longer because he was on the surface first and therefore longer than Aldrin. Aldrin has many pictures credited to him.<br
/> Aldrin wants us to believe that NASA sent two men to the moon with a camera and no plan to take pictures of the first man on the moon, just the second.<br
/> This didn&#039;t happen in a vacuum (pardon the pun). Aldrin lobbied hard (and angered many astronauts by doing so) to be first out onto the surface, even going so far as asking Neil to lobby for him as well. But tradition and simple mechanics won out over ego and Buzz  was left with a bit of childish historical sabotage to mark his career. It worked. To this day photos of the First Man on the Moon are still being produced by technicians who use software to &#034;unbend&#034; the reflections off of Buzz&#039;s helmet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evil Dork</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25159</link> <dc:creator>Evil Dork</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25159</guid> <description>It would be a sad day indeed if the US were to lose its lead in the field of spaceflight, and I think it goes a little bit beyond nationalism. America has built a diverse set of experiences and technologies over decades of spaceflight and letting it all fade from memory for lack of funding and vision would be a tragedy far worse than any of her space disasters. China&#039;s willingness to launch over populated areas has already resulted in fatalities among people who didn&#039;t ask to risk their lives for space, and there is cause for concern over whether they are as willing to share their discoveries as NASA.The so-called golden age of science fiction preceded the lunar program of the 60s, and that was an excellent source of free PR for the space program. While the internet gives the general public greater access to the actual science of space, I think it&#039;s telling that wizards and magic grab more attention from our children than astronauts and spaceships.@Mike Johnson: Buzz Aldrin&#039;s spacesuit was not equipped with a camera like Neil Armstrong&#039;s spacesuit. Of course, Neil Armstrong has to be the most humble man ever to walk the Earth let alone the moon, so anybody is going to look vain by comparison.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a sad day indeed if the US were to lose its lead in the field of spaceflight, and I think it goes a little bit beyond nationalism. America has built a diverse set of experiences and technologies over decades of spaceflight and letting it all fade from memory for lack of funding and vision would be a tragedy far worse than any of her space disasters. China&#039;s willingness to launch over populated areas has already resulted in fatalities among people who didn&#039;t ask to risk their lives for space, and there is cause for concern over whether they are as willing to share their discoveries as NASA.</p><p>The so-called golden age of science fiction preceded the lunar program of the 60s, and that was an excellent source of free PR for the space program. While the internet gives the general public greater access to the actual science of space, I think it&#039;s telling that wizards and magic grab more attention from our children than astronauts and spaceships.</p><p>@Mike Johnson: Buzz Aldrin&#039;s spacesuit was not equipped with a camera like Neil Armstrong&#039;s spacesuit. Of course, Neil Armstrong has to be the most humble man ever to walk the Earth let alone the moon, so anybody is going to look vain by comparison.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rellis</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25146</link> <dc:creator>Rellis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:49:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25146</guid> <description>Typical Buzz Aldrin.&quot;If we fall behind we&#039;ll be.....BEHIND!!&quot;Yes, thank you Mr. Buzz.  Brilliant.Sorry about that &#039;second man on the Moon thing.&#039;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Buzz Aldrin.</p><p>&#034;If we fall behind we&#039;ll be&#8230;..BEHIND!!&#034;</p><p>Yes, thank you Mr. Buzz.  Brilliant.</p><p>Sorry about that &#039;second man on the Moon thing.&#039;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Van</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25128</link> <dc:creator>Van</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:40:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25128</guid> <description>&quot;How hold the aces, the East or the West?
This is the crap that our children are learning,
But oh, the Tide is Turning.&quot;
- Roger WatersI believe I am a patriot. I love my country (the USA). But the Space Race of the 60&#039;s was wasteful and the Cold War of the last half of the 20th century held the world hostage to the two superpowers, ready to unlease Mutually Assured Destruction on the planet at a moment&#039;s notice. Going to the Moon was fun but it was a distraction from developing a permanent presence in Earth orbit. And I am so glad that the ISS is a world wide effort with many nations joining together.Forget these mad competitions - it does not matter who is Number One but that humans learn to cooperate and help each other.Let the USA join the community of nations inside of trying to dominate it. There is room for all.If we could internationalize the space program in a truly meaningful way, for the long term, that would be the greatest achievement.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;How hold the aces, the East or the West?<br
/> This is the crap that our children are learning,<br
/> But oh, the Tide is Turning.&#034;<br
/> &#8211; Roger Waters</p><p>I believe I am a patriot. I love my country (the USA). But the Space Race of the 60&#039;s was wasteful and the Cold War of the last half of the 20th century held the world hostage to the two superpowers, ready to unlease Mutually Assured Destruction on the planet at a moment&#039;s notice. Going to the Moon was fun but it was a distraction from developing a permanent presence in Earth orbit. And I am so glad that the ISS is a world wide effort with many nations joining together.</p><p>Forget these mad competitions &#8211; it does not matter who is Number One but that humans learn to cooperate and help each other.</p><p>Let the USA join the community of nations inside of trying to dominate it. There is room for all.</p><p>If we could internationalize the space program in a truly meaningful way, for the long term, that would be the greatest achievement.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Asif</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25109</link> <dc:creator>Asif</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:46:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25109</guid> <description>Radiation, UV, X ray, effect of Weightlesness,
Absolute Cold temperature, high probability of being hit by space debris/ asteroids, unimaginable long distances between stars etc. etc. These are just a few known Hazards of manned space travel.How can Humans in their right mind think of sending manned space crafts out of our Solar System. Why is NASA spending Trillions of dollars on developement of space stations and space crafts?If the vision is to target space tourism and commercial ventures within our Solar System, maybe it makes sense.But if the Human species would like to find a new home, before we run out of options on our present home, we better think out of the box.The Human body is too fragile for space travel. We have to find some other revolutionary way forward if we want to save the Human species from extinction.How about NASA inviting suggestions and proposals for a practicable and feasable alterantive to manned space travel on the lines of X-prize and stop spending money on traditional concepts of space travel by competing with China/ Russia.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radiation, UV, X ray, effect of Weightlesness,<br
/> Absolute Cold temperature, high probability of being hit by space debris/ asteroids, unimaginable long distances between stars etc. etc. These are just a few known Hazards of manned space travel.</p><p>How can Humans in their right mind think of sending manned space crafts out of our Solar System. Why is NASA spending Trillions of dollars on developement of space stations and space crafts?</p><p>If the vision is to target space tourism and commercial ventures within our Solar System, maybe it makes sense.</p><p>But if the Human species would like to find a new home, before we run out of options on our present home, we better think out of the box.</p><p>The Human body is too fragile for space travel. We have to find some other revolutionary way forward if we want to save the Human species from extinction.</p><p>How about NASA inviting suggestions and proposals for a practicable and feasable alterantive to manned space travel on the lines of X-prize and stop spending money on traditional concepts of space travel by competing with China/ Russia.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Maxwell</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25078</link> <dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:13:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25078</guid> <description>Just because Apollo went to the moon does not mean we are done studying it for further use.  Its going to become a common destination for anyone intent on running operations deeper in space.Restarting lunar missions is critical if we want to have any chance at reaching mars in the near future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Apollo went to the moon does not mean we are done studying it for further use.  Its going to become a common destination for anyone intent on running operations deeper in space.</p><p>Restarting lunar missions is critical if we want to have any chance at reaching mars in the near future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tyler Durden</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25064</link> <dc:creator>Tyler Durden</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25064</guid> <description>IKE: I tihnk the 2020 goal was set because anyone even vaguely in touch with reality is aware that it will take that long for the American economy to recover from its current crisis. Assuming some good luck, and a withdrawal from Iraq in the near future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IKE: I tihnk the 2020 goal was set because anyone even vaguely in touch with reality is aware that it will take that long for the American economy to recover from its current crisis. Assuming some good luck, and a withdrawal from Iraq in the near future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Angela</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25059</link> <dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25059</guid> <description>The Moon - yes it was wonderful, but frankly, &#039;Been there, done that&#039;. Just because we haven&#039;t returned to the Moon doesn&#039;t mean we haven&#039;t done anything else worthwhile. Come on, what about developing a more reliable vehicle into Space (Shuttle) and having launched the wonderful Hubble, which I may add has taught ALL of Mankind so many marvelous things about Space. And have we already forgotten the International Space Station?!!? That is such an amazing thing and it is a COLLABORATIVE effort.
I&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t return to the Moon, but I  don&#039;t think we should do it simply for our egos. Like many have mentioned earlier, I&#039;d rather see our focus on Mars..TOGETHER.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moon &#8211; yes it was wonderful, but frankly, &#039;Been there, done that&#039;. Just because we haven&#039;t returned to the Moon doesn&#039;t mean we haven&#039;t done anything else worthwhile. Come on, what about developing a more reliable vehicle into Space (Shuttle) and having launched the wonderful Hubble, which I may add has taught ALL of Mankind so many marvelous things about Space. And have we already forgotten the International Space Station?!!? That is such an amazing thing and it is a COLLABORATIVE effort.<br
/> I&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t return to the Moon, but I  don&#039;t think we should do it simply for our egos. Like many have mentioned earlier, I&#039;d rather see our focus on Mars..TOGETHER.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Umair Rahat</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25058</link> <dc:creator>Umair Rahat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25058</guid> <description>@Dave S:Yes, 8,000 metric ton. The aircraft actually weighs well over 20,000 metric ton. The three world&#039;s largest runways will be built in Northern California, United Sates, Australia, and France.The aircraft uses composite plasma-scramjet engine cluster and supersonic engines on collapsible wings. The supersonic engines are used for take-off, and at 1,400 miles per hour the plasma scramjet engines will be activated. Then at 1,800 miles per hour the supersonic engines are shutdown and the wings are closed into the aircraft for efficiency of aerodynamics at very high speeds. The aircrafts skin is being under research and will mostly likely be built of special nano-engineered carbon-carbon material to counteract plasma in the Earth&#039;s atmosphere at 18,000 miles per hour speeds. And so, yea, it does have a ability to go in space and even possibly land on the Moon and come back to Earth, granted we construct runway on the Moon which we are looking forward to.We are working on a plan to deliver a runway on Mars to be able to land a Mars Spaceship.This aircraft will open space to humanity. We have already have a long list of missions in various places through out the solar system and even an interstellar mission.One of the extremely exciting things are that we are planning on to launch four reflecting telescopes each with 200 meter mirror.Thanks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave S:</p><p>Yes, 8,000 metric ton. The aircraft actually weighs well over 20,000 metric ton. The three world&#039;s largest runways will be built in Northern California, United Sates, Australia, and France.</p><p>The aircraft uses composite plasma-scramjet engine cluster and supersonic engines on collapsible wings. The supersonic engines are used for take-off, and at 1,400 miles per hour the plasma scramjet engines will be activated. Then at 1,800 miles per hour the supersonic engines are shutdown and the wings are closed into the aircraft for efficiency of aerodynamics at very high speeds. The aircrafts skin is being under research and will mostly likely be built of special nano-engineered carbon-carbon material to counteract plasma in the Earth&#039;s atmosphere at 18,000 miles per hour speeds. And so, yea, it does have a ability to go in space and even possibly land on the Moon and come back to Earth, granted we construct runway on the Moon which we are looking forward to.</p><p>We are working on a plan to deliver a runway on Mars to be able to land a Mars Spaceship.</p><p>This aircraft will open space to humanity. We have already have a long list of missions in various places through out the solar system and even an interstellar mission.</p><p>One of the extremely exciting things are that we are planning on to launch four reflecting telescopes each with 200 meter mirror.</p><p>Thanks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ChrisD</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25056</link> <dc:creator>ChrisD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25056</guid> <description>Nothing that a few hundred billion$ a year and recycled gloom and doom scientists can&#039;t fix, from, hmmm, let&#039;s see, the Defense budgets, perhaps?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing that a few hundred billion$ a year and recycled gloom and doom scientists can&#039;t fix, from, hmmm, let&#039;s see, the Defense budgets, perhaps?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave S</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25054</link> <dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:25:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25054</guid> <description>8,000 metric tons?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8,000 metric tons?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Umair Rahat</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25052</link> <dc:creator>Umair Rahat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25052</guid> <description>I was not going to discuss this but due to the gloomy picture in people&#039;s mind, I had to. I am working on an extremely heavy lift vehicle here at the Summit Waterfalls. It will be able to send 8,000,000 kg or 8,000 metric ton to Mars in a single launch compared to Ares V with 137,000 kg or 137 metric ton to LEO (Low earth Orbit). It will make its debut flight in the next decade (~2014 to 2018).Now how is this possible? Well, we are not going to be using the traditional rocket system, but rather an aircraft with plasma scramjet engine to reach orbital speeds to deliver the Mars Spaceship with in Earth orbit.Look out for official announcements in 2009.Summit Waterfalls is an American company and is soon to be incorporated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not going to discuss this but due to the gloomy picture in people&#039;s mind, I had to. I am working on an extremely heavy lift vehicle here at the Summit Waterfalls. It will be able to send 8,000,000 kg or 8,000 metric ton to Mars in a single launch compared to Ares V with 137,000 kg or 137 metric ton to LEO (Low earth Orbit). It will make its debut flight in the next decade (~2014 to 2018).</p><p>Now how is this possible? Well, we are not going to be using the traditional rocket system, but rather an aircraft with plasma scramjet engine to reach orbital speeds to deliver the Mars Spaceship with in Earth orbit.</p><p>Look out for official announcements in 2009.</p><p>Summit Waterfalls is an American company and is soon to be incorporated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave S</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-2/#comment-25051</link> <dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25051</guid> <description>Don&#039;t be so critical of China.  They are simply taking advantage of the rules that exist.  If we were so clever we would have set up a system that could not have been taken advantage of.  The US will lose if they continue to consider the exploration of space as race.  I respect Mr. Aldrin for all he has done for I don&#039;t care for him posing the exploration of space as some contest.  GOD bless you Buzz.  While this race attitude may have allowed NASA to get the funding and the motivation it needed to get to the Moon it is not the right approach today.  It is too wasteful to have all the superpowers duplicating the efforts of each other.   The tasks needed to be accomplished should be divided among them to save time and money.  Manned missions to Mars is also a huge waste of money.  Robots get better and better and do not endanger human life.  Robots also don&#039;t have to have a round trip ticket.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t be so critical of China.  They are simply taking advantage of the rules that exist.  If we were so clever we would have set up a system that could not have been taken advantage of.  The US will lose if they continue to consider the exploration of space as race.  I respect Mr. Aldrin for all he has done for I don&#039;t care for him posing the exploration of space as some contest.  GOD bless you Buzz.  While this race attitude may have allowed NASA to get the funding and the motivation it needed to get to the Moon it is not the right approach today.  It is too wasteful to have all the superpowers duplicating the efforts of each other.   The tasks needed to be accomplished should be divided among them to save time and money.  Manned missions to Mars is also a huge waste of money.  Robots get better and better and do not endanger human life.  Robots also don&#039;t have to have a round trip ticket.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Umair Rahat</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25045</link> <dc:creator>Umair Rahat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25045</guid> <description>@FLA-Ryan:
Thanks for providing the link, I have never seen this proposal before. Whilst DIRECT v2.0 is an excellent idea, the Ares V has the ability to launch almost 50,000 kg more to LEO (Low Earth orbit) than Jupiter 232. And on second thought, why not use the Saturn V; hey it has the perfect flight record (12/12). Would Saturn V be more cost effective than Ares V?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FLA-Ryan:<br
/> Thanks for providing the link, I have never seen this proposal before. Whilst DIRECT v2.0 is an excellent idea, the Ares V has the ability to launch almost 50,000 kg more to LEO (Low Earth orbit) than Jupiter 232. And on second thought, why not use the Saturn V; hey it has the perfect flight record (12/12). Would Saturn V be more cost effective than Ares V?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darnell Clayton</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25043</link> <dc:creator>Darnell Clayton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25043</guid> <description>As far as Russia goes, their economy is not doing to well so I am not sure where they are going to pay for this (not to mention keep their scientists from defecting towards the US).I would worry more about Japan than Russia, although China is probably the US biggest concern as far as space goes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Russia goes, their economy is not doing to well so I am not sure where they are going to pay for this (not to mention keep their scientists from defecting towards the US).</p><p>I would worry more about Japan than Russia, although China is probably the US biggest concern as far as space goes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Big Ian</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25040</link> <dc:creator>Big Ian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25040</guid> <description>I think it&#039;s greate that we are going back to the moon.  However I think any manned mission to Mars will have to be one way if we are talking about landing on the red planet our selves.  The simple logistics of getting into earth orbit should give you a clue that this just isn&#039;t doable.   We only managed to do it on the moon because the gravity is much less than earth.  With Mars&#039;s gravity being somewhat similar if slightly less do we honestly think this is even remotely doable until technology has advanced enough that we can do a VTOL spacecraft capable of taking off into orbit, Returning to the earth again atleast twice without refueling?  HTOL is out of the question because of a) the lack of runways on Mars &amp; b) the martian atmosphere would be too thin.Sorry to be a doom sayer but its just logistics</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s greate that we are going back to the moon.  However I think any manned mission to Mars will have to be one way if we are talking about landing on the red planet our selves.  The simple logistics of getting into earth orbit should give you a clue that this just isn&#039;t doable.   We only managed to do it on the moon because the gravity is much less than earth.  With Mars&#039;s gravity being somewhat similar if slightly less do we honestly think this is even remotely doable until technology has advanced enough that we can do a VTOL spacecraft capable of taking off into orbit, Returning to the earth again atleast twice without refueling?  HTOL is out of the question because of a) the lack of runways on Mars &amp; b) the martian atmosphere would be too thin.</p><p>Sorry to be a doom sayer but its just logistics</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: geokstr</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25037</link> <dc:creator>geokstr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:36:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25037</guid> <description>Of course China will soon begin to outstrip our space program. What&#039;s the big mystery here? It is, after all, just rocket science.It&#039;s for the same reasons that all the manufacturing is now being done in China.
- they send all their brightest minds to universities in the United States without having to develop their own educational system, often on free scholarships
- they hack into our computer systems, and through other means of espionage, steal our newest technology for free
- they pay their labor force, from the laborers who build the space facilities all the way up to the scientists who operate them, 10 pounds of rice a month as salary.
- they have no armies of environmental lawyers delaying construction of their space facilities to protect the habitat of the purple-leafed ground lousewort
- there are no governmentally decreed regulations concerning safety, diversity, gender norming, nor other labor laws that add billions to our costs
- they have no unions to drive up wages and protect the incompetent
- no layers of political oversight, wrangling over budgets and priorities
- no politically motivated sideshows, like James Hansen, to eat up the budget
- and lastly, and maybe most importantly, they have absolutely no concern for human life, so they need not put in the layers of redundancy in the equipment and space vehicles to protect their astronauts. With 1.5 billion of them, why worry about losing 10 or 20? They&#039;ll just send some more over here to get trained for free.All the above reduce their cost to nothing relative to our own, eliminate expensive delays, and allow them to develop their programs at breakneck speed, with no regard for the environment or their own people.I recall a thread here recently about the possibility of a one-way trip to Mars, and how much faster that program could proceed if we tried that. The outrage from many of the posters about how could we ever ask someone to do that was very enlightening. Over there, they&#039;ll just order someone to go.They could lose the first twenty ships and a hundred astronauts without blinking an eye. The Russians lost many cosmonauts that we never heard about in the US during the height of the US-Soviet space race. Heck, due to the secrecy we would only hear about the Chinese astronauts that lived.And they&#039;d still beat us to Mars because of our squeamishness at ever, ever losing another Sally Ride.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course China will soon begin to outstrip our space program. What&#039;s the big mystery here? It is, after all, just rocket science.</p><p>It&#039;s for the same reasons that all the manufacturing is now being done in China.<br
/> - they send all their brightest minds to universities in the United States without having to develop their own educational system, often on free scholarships<br
/> - they hack into our computer systems, and through other means of espionage, steal our newest technology for free<br
/> - they pay their labor force, from the laborers who build the space facilities all the way up to the scientists who operate them, 10 pounds of rice a month as salary.<br
/> - they have no armies of environmental lawyers delaying construction of their space facilities to protect the habitat of the purple-leafed ground lousewort<br
/> - there are no governmentally decreed regulations concerning safety, diversity, gender norming, nor other labor laws that add billions to our costs<br
/> - they have no unions to drive up wages and protect the incompetent<br
/> - no layers of political oversight, wrangling over budgets and priorities<br
/> - no politically motivated sideshows, like James Hansen, to eat up the budget<br
/> - and lastly, and maybe most importantly, they have absolutely no concern for human life, so they need not put in the layers of redundancy in the equipment and space vehicles to protect their astronauts. With 1.5 billion of them, why worry about losing 10 or 20? They&#039;ll just send some more over here to get trained for free.</p><p>All the above reduce their cost to nothing relative to our own, eliminate expensive delays, and allow them to develop their programs at breakneck speed, with no regard for the environment or their own people.</p><p>I recall a thread here recently about the possibility of a one-way trip to Mars, and how much faster that program could proceed if we tried that. The outrage from many of the posters about how could we ever ask someone to do that was very enlightening. Over there, they&#039;ll just order someone to go.</p><p>They could lose the first twenty ships and a hundred astronauts without blinking an eye. The Russians lost many cosmonauts that we never heard about in the US during the height of the US-Soviet space race. Heck, due to the secrecy we would only hear about the Chinese astronauts that lived.</p><p>And they&#039;d still beat us to Mars because of our squeamishness at ever, ever losing another Sally Ride.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave S</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25036</link> <dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:29:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25036</guid> <description>It&#039;s time for the US to step back and let other countries lead this effort.  The Russians have great expertise in both boosters and long duration space flight.  They have the knowledge and the equipment to continue to service the space station. The others have worked hard to develop expertise in this field and are now flush with cash to be able to afford this effort.  We carried the ball when we were in a position to pay for it.  We should share with them whatever knowledge we still have to give them a leg up on the effort.  This effort is no longer some political race.   Let&#039;s not risk another Challenger or Columbia event by pushing the old shuttles any further.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s time for the US to step back and let other countries lead this effort.  The Russians have great expertise in both boosters and long duration space flight.  They have the knowledge and the equipment to continue to service the space station. The others have worked hard to develop expertise in this field and are now flush with cash to be able to afford this effort.  We carried the ball when we were in a position to pay for it.  We should share with them whatever knowledge we still have to give them a leg up on the effort.  This effort is no longer some political race.   Let&#039;s not risk another Challenger or Columbia event by pushing the old shuttles any further.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FLA-Ryan</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25035</link> <dc:creator>FLA-Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:49:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25035</guid> <description>Stupid IE  ;-phttp://www.directlauncher.com/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid IE  ;-p</p><p><a
href="http://www.directlauncher.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.directlauncher.com/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FLA-Ryan</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25034</link> <dc:creator>FLA-Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:49:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25034</guid> <description>there is the link that works</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is the link that works</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FLA-Ryan</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25033</link> <dc:creator>FLA-Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:48:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25033</guid> <description>Another reason why NASA should re-examine the DIRECT 2.0 launch vehicle.  Not only is it cheaper and more powerful then the Ares while using exsisting, man-rated parts from the shuttle program; it could also get us back to the moon years before Ares could.&lt;a href=&quot;www.directlauncher.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DIRECT 2.0&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason why NASA should re-examine the DIRECT 2.0 launch vehicle.  Not only is it cheaper and more powerful then the Ares while using exsisting, man-rated parts from the shuttle program; it could also get us back to the moon years before Ares could.</p><p><a
href="www.directlauncher.com" rel="nofollow">DIRECT 2.0</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mirroreyes</title><link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/30/aldrin-warns-that-nasa-will-fall-behind-russia-and-china-in-space-exploration/comment-page-1/#comment-25029</link> <dc:creator>mirroreyes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:13:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.universetoday.com/?p=15325#comment-25029</guid> <description>Competition for what exactly, the prestige of walking on the moon? Let&#039;s look to practical reasons for space missions, if it requires a manned flight then let it be done. It&#039;s not as though we&#039;d be going back to stone knives and bear skins just because another nation orbits the moon. A joint collaboration would ofc be best, especially if it leads to a maturing of international policies in general.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competition for what exactly, the prestige of walking on the moon? Let&#039;s look to practical reasons for space missions, if it requires a manned flight then let it be done. It&#039;s not as though we&#039;d be going back to stone knives and bear skins just because another nation orbits the moon. A joint collaboration would ofc be best, especially if it leads to a maturing of international policies in general.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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