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	<title>Comments on: Mars Atmosphere Once Held Enough Moisture for Dew or Drizzle</title>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now to finish my lengthy ramble...

What would happen if we magically grabbed Mercury and put it into orbit around Venus? Would it help?

Well, the gravitational effect of Mercury would gradually change Venus&#039;s rotational period. This has already happened in the Pluto/Charon system, so that the two always keep the same face to each other, and the same thing is happening with the Earth and the moon. But would Venus speed up or slow down. It would only slow down if Mercury&#039;s orbit took longer than Venus&#039;s day (243 earth days). That&#039;s too far out for Venus to hold on to Mercury against the Sun&#039;s gravity. I did some quick calculations and I think the biggest stable orbit would be about 50 days long. So Mercury would slowly speed up Venus&#039;s rotation, which helps. (On the other hand, Earth&#039;s day is shorter than the Moon&#039;s orbit. So our day is getting longer and our own dynamo should be very slowly weakening.)

If Mercury&#039;s orbit was eccentric (and it would be, because the Sun would be constantly causing little disturbances) you&#039;d also get tidal forces within Venus. The core would be stretched and pulled, generating heat. The same thing is happening in the large satellites of Jupiter- particularly Io where tidal heating creates tremendous heat that powers its volcanoes. More heat means the core will be more molten, and stay molten for longer. That also helps.

The big sticking point is convection. You still need a temperature gradient in the core and, as far as we know, tectonics is the thing to do it by releasing heat through cracks in the crust. I don&#039;t see how the presence of a moon can start plate activity on a planet that doesn&#039;t have any. I don&#039;t know if tidal forces alone can set up convection currents in a planet&#039;s core, but it seems doubtful. 

I suppose, after all that, a moon might help a little bit if you want a magnetic field but not very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now to finish my lengthy ramble&#8230;</p>
<p>What would happen if we magically grabbed Mercury and put it into orbit around Venus? Would it help?</p>
<p>Well, the gravitational effect of Mercury would gradually change Venus&#039;s rotational period. This has already happened in the Pluto/Charon system, so that the two always keep the same face to each other, and the same thing is happening with the Earth and the moon. But would Venus speed up or slow down. It would only slow down if Mercury&#039;s orbit took longer than Venus&#039;s day (243 earth days). That&#039;s too far out for Venus to hold on to Mercury against the Sun&#039;s gravity. I did some quick calculations and I think the biggest stable orbit would be about 50 days long. So Mercury would slowly speed up Venus&#039;s rotation, which helps. (On the other hand, Earth&#039;s day is shorter than the Moon&#039;s orbit. So our day is getting longer and our own dynamo should be very slowly weakening.)</p>
<p>If Mercury&#039;s orbit was eccentric (and it would be, because the Sun would be constantly causing little disturbances) you&#039;d also get tidal forces within Venus. The core would be stretched and pulled, generating heat. The same thing is happening in the large satellites of Jupiter- particularly Io where tidal heating creates tremendous heat that powers its volcanoes. More heat means the core will be more molten, and stay molten for longer. That also helps.</p>
<p>The big sticking point is convection. You still need a temperature gradient in the core and, as far as we know, tectonics is the thing to do it by releasing heat through cracks in the crust. I don&#039;t see how the presence of a moon can start plate activity on a planet that doesn&#039;t have any. I don&#039;t know if tidal forces alone can set up convection currents in a planet&#039;s core, but it seems doubtful. </p>
<p>I suppose, after all that, a moon might help a little bit if you want a magnetic field but not very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/25/mars-atmosphere-once-held-enough-moisture-for-dew-or-drizzle/comment-page-1/#comment-24829</link>
		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to current theories, Earth&#039;s magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron inside its core. It&#039;s all very complicated and I barely understand it, but to create a magnetic field you need three things:
*A conducting liquid. Molten iron is perfect for this.
*Convection. You hot liquid to be able to go up, and cold liquid down.
*Rotation. The planet needs to be spinning.

Venus as far as we know has a molten iron core, but its day is 243 earth days long which is only enough to generate a weak magnetic field. Also, it has virtually no convection in its core. This is because there is no temperature gradient in its core. On Earth, plate tectonics allow some of the heat to escape so that parts of the core are always cooling and there&#039;s a temperature gradient. Venus has no plate tectonics. Slow rotation and no convection = bugger all magnetic field.

Mars has a day short enough to power a dynamo, but it also has no plate tectonics, and its core is more solid than Earth&#039;s or Venus&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to current theories, Earth&#039;s magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron inside its core. It&#039;s all very complicated and I barely understand it, but to create a magnetic field you need three things:<br />
*A conducting liquid. Molten iron is perfect for this.<br />
*Convection. You hot liquid to be able to go up, and cold liquid down.<br />
*Rotation. The planet needs to be spinning.</p>
<p>Venus as far as we know has a molten iron core, but its day is 243 earth days long which is only enough to generate a weak magnetic field. Also, it has virtually no convection in its core. This is because there is no temperature gradient in its core. On Earth, plate tectonics allow some of the heat to escape so that parts of the core are always cooling and there&#039;s a temperature gradient. Venus has no plate tectonics. Slow rotation and no convection = bugger all magnetic field.</p>
<p>Mars has a day short enough to power a dynamo, but it also has no plate tectonics, and its core is more solid than Earth&#039;s or Venus&#039;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it coincidence that we have a magnetic field and a large moon? Is it the moon perturbing the interior of the earth which keeps the core molten and with it the magnetic field ? If mercury was venus&#039;s moon, would it be a very different place than it is now???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it coincidence that we have a magnetic field and a large moon? Is it the moon perturbing the interior of the earth which keeps the core molten and with it the magnetic field ? If mercury was venus&#039;s moon, would it be a very different place than it is now???</p>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did all the water go? Some of it, as we now know, is frozen under the soil in the polar regions. But a lot is probably gone forever. 

UV light can slowly split water into hydrogen and oxygen ions. Since these are charged particles the charged solar wind can pick them up and carry them away because Mars has no magnetic field to protect it from the solar wind. The same this is known to be happening on Venus; it&#039;s gradually losing what&#039;s left of its water. Earth is OK because we are shielded by our strong magnetic field- the hydrogen and oxygen stay in our atmosphere and presumably turn back into water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did all the water go? Some of it, as we now know, is frozen under the soil in the polar regions. But a lot is probably gone forever. </p>
<p>UV light can slowly split water into hydrogen and oxygen ions. Since these are charged particles the charged solar wind can pick them up and carry them away because Mars has no magnetic field to protect it from the solar wind. The same this is known to be happening on Venus; it&#039;s gradually losing what&#039;s left of its water. Earth is OK because we are shielded by our strong magnetic field- the hydrogen and oxygen stay in our atmosphere and presumably turn back into water.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Lam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm . . . where do you suppose the water on Mars, if it ever existed,  disapeared to?  Was it evaporation?  With Mars gravity at about .38% that of earth, it doesn&#039;t seem likely it escaped to space or did it?  Or did it soak into porus soil?  Probably not!  Was the planet warmer in early life where water was in a liquid state?  But how can that be with surface temparature not friendly to liquid water?   More questions than answers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm . . . where do you suppose the water on Mars, if it ever existed,  disapeared to?  Was it evaporation?  With Mars gravity at about .38% that of earth, it doesn&#039;t seem likely it escaped to space or did it?  Or did it soak into porus soil?  Probably not!  Was the planet warmer in early life where water was in a liquid state?  But how can that be with surface temparature not friendly to liquid water?   More questions than answers!</p>
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