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	<title>Comments on: Primordial Stars Frozen Indefinitely by Dark Matter</title>
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		<title>By: genesis continuous</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24601</link>
		<dc:creator>genesis continuous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said earlier, Prof. Paul Marmet solved this problem. It&#039;s here to read on the www. There are two sorts of hydrogen out there, atomic and molecular. One is easy to detect and quantify and the other isn&#039;t, all because our technology wasn&#039;t able to identify it. Dark matter, grey matter, the missing particle, whatever, the mystery helps the Big Bang Cause. Maybe finding and acknowledging the truth, doesn&#039;t.  

http://homepages.xnet.co.nz/~hardy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said earlier, Prof. Paul Marmet solved this problem. It&#039;s here to read on the www. There are two sorts of hydrogen out there, atomic and molecular. One is easy to detect and quantify and the other isn&#039;t, all because our technology wasn&#039;t able to identify it. Dark matter, grey matter, the missing particle, whatever, the mystery helps the Big Bang Cause. Maybe finding and acknowledging the truth, doesn&#039;t.  </p>
<p><a href="http://homepages.xnet.co.nz/~hardy" rel="nofollow">http://homepages.xnet.co.nz/~hardy</a></p>
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		<title>By: JamesB</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24595</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark matter and dark energy aren&#039;t even a theories yet, they are still at the hypothesis stage of science!! And there are several of other hypotheses that explain the same phenomenon as well as DM/DE.

It took a crackpot like Einstein to brush away the cobwebs after the &#039;aether&#039; hypothesis failed and stalled cosmology for decades. I personally think it&#039;ll be a crackpot who banishes the current crop of failed scientists. 

And it&#039;s pretty much a given that they&#039;ll cling to the orthodoxy like their lives depend on it (because at least their jobs do). Look how long it took Hawking to admit he was wrong about data escaping from a  black-hole, even though he was PROVEN wrong a decade or more before!

There&#039;s hell to pay when you make a mistake in science, lost grants, lost jobs, lost tenure, lost prestige, lost face. Look at what the failure of the AGW hypothesis is doing to the climate science industry, it&#039;s completely ruined the scientific method and the ability to do real science!! Is cosmology any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark matter and dark energy aren&#039;t even a theories yet, they are still at the hypothesis stage of science!! And there are several of other hypotheses that explain the same phenomenon as well as DM/DE.</p>
<p>It took a crackpot like Einstein to brush away the cobwebs after the &#039;aether&#039; hypothesis failed and stalled cosmology for decades. I personally think it&#039;ll be a crackpot who banishes the current crop of failed scientists. </p>
<p>And it&#039;s pretty much a given that they&#039;ll cling to the orthodoxy like their lives depend on it (because at least their jobs do). Look how long it took Hawking to admit he was wrong about data escaping from a  black-hole, even though he was PROVEN wrong a decade or more before!</p>
<p>There&#039;s hell to pay when you make a mistake in science, lost grants, lost jobs, lost tenure, lost prestige, lost face. Look at what the failure of the AGW hypothesis is doing to the climate science industry, it&#039;s completely ruined the scientific method and the ability to do real science!! Is cosmology any different?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like to much speculation on my part. Lets prove dark matter exists, before we start creating theories about other things based on its theoretical existence. Seems like to much like a house of cards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like to much speculation on my part. Lets prove dark matter exists, before we start creating theories about other things based on its theoretical existence. Seems like to much like a house of cards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24587</link>
		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Small&quot; and &quot;insignificant&quot; mean two different things. Just because something is big doesn&#039;t necessarily mean it&#039;s important. That would be like saying and elephant is more significant than a person because it is larger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Small&#034; and &#034;insignificant&#034; mean two different things. Just because something is big doesn&#039;t necessarily mean it&#039;s important. That would be like saying and elephant is more significant than a person because it is larger.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24582</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....and Jupiter contains almost all of the other 2%... that makes us even more insignificant... So where do we go from here?.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and Jupiter contains almost all of the other 2%&#8230; that makes us even more insignificant&#8230; So where do we go from here?&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24579</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, I meant our sun contains 98% of our solar system mass.  kinda makes fun of our puny Earth mass!</description>
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<p>sorry, I meant our sun contains 98% of our solar system mass.  kinda makes fun of our puny Earth mass!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24578</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since our solar system contains 98% of all it&#039;s mass, then why should we think otherwise for our host galaxy.  Our sun is huge but please, occams razor says that our galaxy center is 102% bigger!!!  That&#039;s fricking huge!  Enough with this dark matter crap!</description>
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<p>Since our solar system contains 98% of all it&#039;s mass, then why should we think otherwise for our host galaxy.  Our sun is huge but please, occams razor says that our galaxy center is 102% bigger!!!  That&#039;s fricking huge!  Enough with this dark matter crap!</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-2/#comment-24577</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zensunni - 
I could be wrong but I have a suspicion that we will soon have a &quot;major shift in our understanding of the universe&quot;. Einstein aside..  The LHC might even give us some clues..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zensunni &#8211;<br />
I could be wrong but I have a suspicion that we will soon have a &#034;major shift in our understanding of the universe&#034;. Einstein aside..  The LHC might even give us some clues..</p>
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		<title>By: zensunni</title>
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		<dc:creator>zensunni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m right there with you, Astrofiend.  I think the LHC will help to connect a few dots in the bigger picture.  I&#039;d also like to reference the article just below this one entitled &quot;Huge camera set to observe dark energy&quot;.  This dark energy survey will begin in 2011 and will add even more dots to the picture.
&quot;Dark Energy is one of the biggest puzzles in the whole of Physics, going back to a concept proposed by Einstein 90 years ago. The DES observations will tell us if Einstein was right or if we need a major shift in our understanding of the universe.â€
Thank you Prof. Lahav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m right there with you, Astrofiend.  I think the LHC will help to connect a few dots in the bigger picture.  I&#039;d also like to reference the article just below this one entitled &#034;Huge camera set to observe dark energy&#034;.  This dark energy survey will begin in 2011 and will add even more dots to the picture.<br />
&#034;Dark Energy is one of the biggest puzzles in the whole of Physics, going back to a concept proposed by Einstein 90 years ago. The DES observations will tell us if Einstein was right or if we need a major shift in our understanding of the universe.â€<br />
Thank you Prof. Lahav</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24575</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really (impatiently) looking forward to LHC data.</description>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24572</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the thing is, we will see won&#039;t we? Everyone can lay their cards on the table, and we&#039;ll see who&#039;s correct and who&#039;s been kidding themselves. 

The LHC comes online soon - what happens if it verifies the predictions of supersymmetry? All of a sudden, we have new particles that are implied by the theory to exist in large numbers in nature, and all of a sudden dark matter theory is looking damn sexy. If not, then we find out some other way what is out there. 

But let&#039;s not forget people - this is the way science works. People not involved in science rabbit on about speculation this and conjecture that, but this is the very essence of the scientific modus operandi! Science above all is a creative endeavour - we would still be living in the middle ages if people didn&#039;t start saying &#039;hmmm, maybe this result means that such-and-such is the case - let&#039;s try to find out&#039;. 

Of course dark matter represents a huge hole in our understanding - nobody would claim otherwise.The term &#039;dark matter&#039; is really a euphemism for an effect that we observe. At the moment, we have no (reasonable; quacks don&#039;t count) physical theory that could remotely come close to explaining it. So we chose dark matter as a working hypothesis. We also have MOND as an alternative working hypothesis. The thing with a working hypothesis is, you assume it is true and then work through the implications. AKA - the scientific method. e.g. - the subject of this article. 

I think many of the people that have commented here are much more sure of themselves than the actual scientists involved in the research are. And this, by the looks of things, tends to be based on...what? Gut feeling and intuition, it seems.

Anyway, like I said, science is relentless - we&#039;ll soon find out who the players are and who are just along for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the thing is, we will see won&#039;t we? Everyone can lay their cards on the table, and we&#039;ll see who&#039;s correct and who&#039;s been kidding themselves. </p>
<p>The LHC comes online soon &#8211; what happens if it verifies the predictions of supersymmetry? All of a sudden, we have new particles that are implied by the theory to exist in large numbers in nature, and all of a sudden dark matter theory is looking damn sexy. If not, then we find out some other way what is out there. </p>
<p>But let&#039;s not forget people &#8211; this is the way science works. People not involved in science rabbit on about speculation this and conjecture that, but this is the very essence of the scientific modus operandi! Science above all is a creative endeavour &#8211; we would still be living in the middle ages if people didn&#039;t start saying &#039;hmmm, maybe this result means that such-and-such is the case &#8211; let&#039;s try to find out&#039;. </p>
<p>Of course dark matter represents a huge hole in our understanding &#8211; nobody would claim otherwise.The term &#039;dark matter&#039; is really a euphemism for an effect that we observe. At the moment, we have no (reasonable; quacks don&#039;t count) physical theory that could remotely come close to explaining it. So we chose dark matter as a working hypothesis. We also have MOND as an alternative working hypothesis. The thing with a working hypothesis is, you assume it is true and then work through the implications. AKA &#8211; the scientific method. e.g. &#8211; the subject of this article. </p>
<p>I think many of the people that have commented here are much more sure of themselves than the actual scientists involved in the research are. And this, by the looks of things, tends to be based on&#8230;what? Gut feeling and intuition, it seems.</p>
<p>Anyway, like I said, science is relentless &#8211; we&#039;ll soon find out who the players are and who are just along for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Uclock</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24561</link>
		<dc:creator>Uclock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m afraid I have to agree with James B on this one. Dark matter has been â€˜made upâ€™ to account for the almost fixed rotation of stars inside galaxies but if you take space and time to be made up of completely individual â€˜bubblesâ€™ of spacetime surrounding each and every particle of dust, gas and larger objects such as planets and stars, then galaxies would move in manner we observe without the need to invent dark matter. The gravity field of any object can also be mathematically modelled without using Newtonâ€™s universal gravitational constant if space and time is thought of in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m afraid I have to agree with James B on this one. Dark matter has been â€˜made upâ€™ to account for the almost fixed rotation of stars inside galaxies but if you take space and time to be made up of completely individual â€˜bubblesâ€™ of spacetime surrounding each and every particle of dust, gas and larger objects such as planets and stars, then galaxies would move in manner we observe without the need to invent dark matter. The gravity field of any object can also be mathematically modelled without using Newtonâ€™s universal gravitational constant if space and time is thought of in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24550</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps dark matter doesnâ€™t exist at all. Perhaps what is being â€˜seenâ€™ is merely the effects of gravity (gravitation) from a possible single source that we have yet to â€˜observeâ€™, recognize as cause, or comprehend. Something that could be millions of light years away from the observed affect. We still donâ€™t know everything about gravity (not to be confused with magnetism). 
Iâ€™m not saying I believe the idea, but I will buy it just as much as the theory that is being thrown around now.
Perhaps our entire universe is inside of a gigantic black hole (thatâ€™s why space is black) and the gravity from it is causing the effects.. Okay, okayâ€¦ Getting too deep.. I could go on and on.. But I wonâ€™t.. :-)
p.s. Iâ€™m not saying I believe that â€œblack holeâ€ thing eitherâ€¦ But who knows!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps dark matter doesnâ€™t exist at all. Perhaps what is being â€˜seenâ€™ is merely the effects of gravity (gravitation) from a possible single source that we have yet to â€˜observeâ€™, recognize as cause, or comprehend. Something that could be millions of light years away from the observed affect. We still donâ€™t know everything about gravity (not to be confused with magnetism).<br />
Iâ€™m not saying I believe the idea, but I will buy it just as much as the theory that is being thrown around now.<br />
Perhaps our entire universe is inside of a gigantic black hole (thatâ€™s why space is black) and the gravity from it is causing the effects.. Okay, okayâ€¦ Getting too deep.. I could go on and on.. But I wonâ€™t.. <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
p.s. Iâ€™m not saying I believe that â€œblack holeâ€ thing eitherâ€¦ But who knows!?</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Gnat</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24546</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting idea, but I think dark matter may be something mundane.

Remember that recent article about dust all over the universe?  Apparently it is dimming the light that we should get from stars and galaxies. Could dust cause red shift?  If it does, then what does that mean for the big-bang and cosmology?

I believe that looking into this dust and its potential effects would be more fruitful that something we cannot observe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s an interesting idea, but I think dark matter may be something mundane.</p>
<p>Remember that recent article about dust all over the universe?  Apparently it is dimming the light that we should get from stars and galaxies. Could dust cause red shift?  If it does, then what does that mean for the big-bang and cosmology?</p>
<p>I believe that looking into this dust and its potential effects would be more fruitful that something we cannot observe.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24544</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say that we *know* nothing about dark matter.  ...can&#039;t type today...</description>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24543</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK... So we&#039;re pretty sure that dark matter exists because of the way galaxies move etc., but we have never seen it and no nothing about its properties other than that it has gravity and is non-interactive (or low-interactive).  How do we go from knowing nothing specific about dark matter to asserting that it annihilates and stops stellar fusion?  Sounds like we left science behind somewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230; So we&#039;re pretty sure that dark matter exists because of the way galaxies move etc., but we have never seen it and no nothing about its properties other than that it has gravity and is non-interactive (or low-interactive).  How do we go from knowing nothing specific about dark matter to asserting that it annihilates and stops stellar fusion?  Sounds like we left science behind somewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Mendenhall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24533</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mendenhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider the source of the article.  NS goes on a trip like this about once a month.  Speculation built on speculation is not science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider the source of the article.  NS goes on a trip like this about once a month.  Speculation built on speculation is not science.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24527</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I side with Occam&#039;s Razor.  If you have to make up some extravagant bs to make your theory work, then it probably is not the right answer.  (just happens to be my theory for religion too.  No deity would need to kill)</description>
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<p>Sorry, but I side with Occam&#039;s Razor.  If you have to make up some extravagant bs to make your theory work, then it probably is not the right answer.  (just happens to be my theory for religion too.  No deity would need to kill)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some doubts about Dark Matter and Dark Energy but I am certainly grateful to be alive during such a time as this.  I have no hopes of ever really understanding all this amazing material but I can still admire the concepts from a distance.  Just imagine what our grandkids will be talking about in 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some doubts about Dark Matter and Dark Energy but I am certainly grateful to be alive during such a time as this.  I have no hopes of ever really understanding all this amazing material but I can still admire the concepts from a distance.  Just imagine what our grandkids will be talking about in 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24523</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to offer this as the first line of Ian&#039;s article:

â€œAssuming that the current theories of dark matter and dark energy exist as some scientists believe, â€¦â€
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to offer this as the first line of Ian&#039;s article:</p>
<p>â€œAssuming that the current theories of dark matter and dark energy exist as some scientists believe, â€¦â€<br />
 <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24522</link>
		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Dark Matter and Dark Energy are a crutch. They can not be observed directly. I think the we are missing a huge piece to the galactic puzzle that has nothing to do with DM/DE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Dark Matter and Dark Energy are a crutch. They can not be observed directly. I think the we are missing a huge piece to the galactic puzzle that has nothing to do with DM/DE.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignoramus</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignoramus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constructing &quot;houses of cards&quot; indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constructing &#034;houses of cards&#034; indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: genesis continuous</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24512</link>
		<dc:creator>genesis continuous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The late Professor Paul Marmet wrote. - The Big Bang model suffers from crucial failures that are becoming increasingly serious with continuing progress in astronomical observations. These observations, however, are consistent with a universe that is unlimited in time and space. &quot;Big Bang Cosmology Meets an Astronomical Death&quot;. 

This great man&#039;s research results appear to be completely overlooked  where dark matter, etc., by the Establishment, is blindly kept in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The late Professor Paul Marmet wrote. &#8211; The Big Bang model suffers from crucial failures that are becoming increasingly serious with continuing progress in astronomical observations. These observations, however, are consistent with a universe that is unlimited in time and space. &#034;Big Bang Cosmology Meets an Astronomical Death&#034;. </p>
<p>This great man&#039;s research results appear to be completely overlooked  where dark matter, etc., by the Establishment, is blindly kept in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: Excalibur</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24509</link>
		<dc:creator>Excalibur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JamesB -

...so break the stagnation - enlighten us of your infinite wisdom...

... or perhaps some day dark matter will be proven to exists, and we will &quot;shake our heads knowingly and laugh at your naivety&quot;

That being said, i do however agree that dark-matter stars are quite far away into a theory that still dont have much experimental support, at best a few &#039;indications&#039;. Clearly there are new physics here to be found, be it dark matter or another theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JamesB -</p>
<p>&#8230;so break the stagnation &#8211; enlighten us of your infinite wisdom&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; or perhaps some day dark matter will be proven to exists, and we will &#034;shake our heads knowingly and laugh at your naivety&#034;</p>
<p>That being said, i do however agree that dark-matter stars are quite far away into a theory that still dont have much experimental support, at best a few &#039;indications&#039;. Clearly there are new physics here to be found, be it dark matter or another theory</p>
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		<title>By: JamesB</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/24/primordial-stars-frozen-indefinitely-by-dark-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-24508</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yael -

Problem is that we don&#039;t know how much matter is out there, so how can we even attempt to &#039;account&#039; for missing matter?  Dark matter/energy will be the card that brings down cosmology&#039;s current house of cards just as &#039;aether&#039; did more than a century ago.

A new cosmology will take the place of the current one and people will look back on the concepts of dark matter and dark energy and shake their heads knowingly and laugh at such naivety. May even in out lifetimes too, if we are lucky.

And this stagnant pond called cosmology will get some fresh water and new fish and be something to be proud of again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yael -</p>
<p>Problem is that we don&#039;t know how much matter is out there, so how can we even attempt to &#039;account&#039; for missing matter?  Dark matter/energy will be the card that brings down cosmology&#039;s current house of cards just as &#039;aether&#039; did more than a century ago.</p>
<p>A new cosmology will take the place of the current one and people will look back on the concepts of dark matter and dark energy and shake their heads knowingly and laugh at such naivety. May even in out lifetimes too, if we are lucky.</p>
<p>And this stagnant pond called cosmology will get some fresh water and new fish and be something to be proud of again&#8230;</p>
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