Comments on: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru

By: Damo

Damo — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:55:02 +0000

Very well said Jafrumstra.
Fair play to you for taking the time out.
Isn t the internet such a wonderful waste of time . Well i suppose thats the whole point of it…

By: jafrumstra

jafrumstra — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:27:10 +0000

I don't really know why I feel compelled to waste my time writing this comment but since I wasted my time reading this article and most of these posts- I suppose a few more wasted moments are acceptable.

My hope is that these words might inspire some thoughtful discussion and logical discourse concerning the topic instead of the common knee-jerk reactions that we have come to expect.

As a scientist, what baffles me most is not how people can believe in God, aliens, or doomsday prophecies; these are all common beliefs with a great multitude of rationales supporting them. Whether the rationales for these beliefs hold up to scrutiny is a moot point. Beliefs are solely the domain of subjective interpretation and as such have little to do with to the process of objective verification.

What bothers me is how other so-called "scientists" blatantly disregard the principles of empiricism and make proclamations that express certainty concerning these beliefs when the scientific method does not allow for such certainty to exist.

Conclusions derived from existing data are not proof nor are they "facts" they are quite simply subjective interpretations of the collected data. Objective observations alone are "facts" (but only if they are repeatable and measurable-this is what makes them objective) The beauty of science is that it is a self-correcting system that allows for new evidence to be examined and therefore new conclusions to be drawn.

Because conclusions are open to verification or refutation by empirical observation true scienctists should never entertain the notion that their conclusions are in anyway authoritative even if their conclusions are universally verified by the scientific community or simply fit with the most popular paradigm as is usually the case.

This brings us to Mr. O'neill's (or is it Dr. O'neill?) article- 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru.

The article itself contains some very good information on KBOs and TNOs but none of this information actually addresses why the minor planet that Patryk Lykawka and Tadashi Mukai of Kobe University believe may be interacting with the Kuiper Belt does not at all fit the Sumerian descriptions of Nibiru as put forth in the work of Zecharia Sitchin.

In fact, his treatment of "The Twelfth Planet" does not include any of the characteristics of Nibiru described in the work (size, orbital path, number of moons)-which would be necessary if one were going to compare the two alleged objects to show that they are dissimilar.

O'neill does little more than ridicule the work based on nothing more than his own assertion, "All this may seem a little fantastical, and perhaps a little too detailed when considering it is a literal translation from 6000 year old texts." His other argument is that, "Sitchin’s work has been disregarded by the scientific community as many of his methods of interpretation are considered imaginative at best." How is either of those conclusions relevent to establishing the dissimilarity of two equally theoretical objects?

Nibiru is theorized based on translations of Summerian texts-Planet X is theorized based on a mathematical simulation. How is it that a scientist can make a definitive statement that one theorized object is not the other when neither have been empirically observed nor have they even been compared on their mutually theoretical basis?

Furthermore, his article does not explain that the theoretical position of this plutoid beyond the fringes of our solar system makes a cataclysmic visitation to our cosmic neighborhood in 2012 impossible according to our current understanding of celestial motion. Instead, he once again stoops to simple mud-slinging and baseless speculation, "In its purest form, Planet X is an unknown, theoretically possible planet orbiting peacefully beyond the Kuiper Belt…I can guarantee that doomsayers are adapting this new research to be used as support for their nonsensical theories that Planet X is in fact Nibiru, and it’s coming in our direction by 2012. Why do I get the feeling we’ll still be here in the year 2013?"

Notice that I have not assigned any truth values in my examination. My own conclusion is that O'neill's assertion that Nibiru and Planet X are not the same entity is correct based on the theoretical descriptions of both as I understand them. I simply feel that his presentation of this assertion is noticably lacking, his arrival at said conclusion is without a demonstrated logical foundation, and his understanding of scientific philosophy is fundamentally flawed no matter how learned he may be.

By: jo

jo — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:52:14 +0000

where life ends ,death begins. Who really cares when, how, or why?Accept it as an inevitability and just live.

By: Murray

Murray — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:51:56 +0000

Calm Down! Dont panic! You are walking thru the valley of death, and will only find one way out – the end.

By: Planet X is a Myth

Planet X is a Myth — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:26:28 +0000

Planet X is a myth, so we're not sure if it's real or not.
They may have found some stuff in the Hubble Space Telescope, but it could simply be a Plutoid.
It's a myth people, no one's lying to anybody.

By: person

person — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:03:07 +0000

If what your saying is true then explain this http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090401/sc_space/hiddenplanetdiscoveredinoldhubbledata. Don't lie to me

By: Nbiru

Nbiru — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:57:43 +0000

im gay too, i still don't believe this shit.
im a pussy asshole!

By: Nibiru

Nibiru — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:00:14 +0000

How it is posible? Nibiru had passed 2 or 3 planet, but still now we didn't have any news to get damage on the passes planet. Then what about us. I didn't believe this.

By: weekslider

weekslider — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:00:40 +0000

Nibiru??…End of the world???…hahaaha!!..what a load of claptrap!!

By: Rabbie

Rabbie — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:47:32 +0000

Please do not worry about 2012. I had visions of the world ending, and god will not be here when it does. Someone he sends will be. I had nightmares of this as a child. I can even tell you the exact date I die, and it's not 2012, it's when I am 86 years old, 2 months and 12 days. Trust me, that's way pass 2012. So don't worry. I can explain who I am, but you won't believe me. So pray to god and take care.

By: wayne mark

wayne mark — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:21:57 +0000

what will happen to us? pls reply this is my yahoo….waynemarkmallari@ymail.com

By: wayne mark

wayne mark — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:21:00 +0000

is that true that year 2012 planet nibiru will appeared and will give a big disaster to earth.?

By: wayne mark

wayne mark — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:20:06 +0000

is it really true that the planet nibiru will come pass by the earth and the impact of it is in the orbit of the earth..and the earth will stop on rotating for three days…i'm not good in my english…

By: Open Minded

Open Minded — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:31:18 +0000

I am not a doomsday prophet, or believe in Religion. Religion is a made up source to suppress the truth and control the masses… thus creating orderly conduct. Besides the first true God was the sun… it was worshiped because it gave life and aided the surroundings to grow crops and man-kind could see better when it was out shining (No batteries for torches back then ) with out fear of the unknown. Just simple and plain 'logic'… who's not nervous when the lights go out if trapped in a 'wild' dangerous environment… if you answered "your not"… your the biggest BS'r out there… Simple logic, Light creates comfort and reasurance and awareness of 'ones' surrounding!
And, this forthcoming event won't be the end of man-kind… but a new era in how man-kind 'adapts' himself to the cycle of events!
Simply it is a 'natural' and 'occurring' event that has happened many times before… and will again, and again…. and again!
'Evolution' is just a process of how 'one' adapts change to their environment, thinking and utilization of their surroundings once 'change' has happened.
Oh and another thing, why in recent years have there been so many whales beaching them selves? Could change of the times and era be part of this too?
Not the end… just the beginning of man-kinds next phase through life… brought on by 'natural' disaster!

By: Open Minded

Open Minded — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:52:40 +0000

Just have a bit of a think about things for a moment, 'History repeats its' self' and we seem to take that for granted, until it is too late!
When we look back through the ages, 'events' have happened, some were recorded, some were passed down through story or myth and most recent in the 'modern era' (200 years) have been 'found' though scientific research in search of answers'!
By using all of the above methods though the ages, that yes there were 'dinosaurs', an 'ice age' and so on. But for these to occur meant that 'something' BIG had to have happened and seems to 'HAPPEN' every 3,600 years!
So let's look at that then, way back in the beginning… Dinosaurs roamed the earth after a 'similar' event prior, and evolving through 'their' 3,600 year cycle, then yet again the cycle of time and of planet X/Nibiru/dwarf planet/suns' sister… what ever one calls it travels through its solar cycle and events happen all over again. Creating havoc, destruction, natural disasters and so on, killing 'most' of the life on earth during that period… only the 'strong' will survive!
Then for the next 3,600 years cycle as the 'mysterious' multi-named planet goes back through its orbital path, the 'strong' who have survived, evolve from their surroundings, utilize new adaptations in their way of life… man now included in this era/period. Story telling of events helps man to adapt better and learns new 'skills' from means of survival with being subjected to the 'new' elements around him… flood, drought, famine and so on. This in turn from having to think differently allows him to survive for the next 3,600 years and develop his skills in farming, building etc, etc… right up till the point of the next 3,600 year destructive cycle!
So now after a few maybe more 3,600 year cycles… we come to the Sumerian period, then again 3,600 years later the Egyptian period… to now 'our' period of the cycle, today!
Mans advancement through the ages has been only a 'survival' of the strongest and fittest, from knowledge and handed down information to aid in man-kinds further and future development and from learning how to 'adapt' to his 'changing' and sometimes destructive surroundings… "do or die"?
Now think about the 'next 3,600 year cycle'! How will man-kind survive it this time? Well maybe some of those silly conspiracy story's going around might not be so silly after all?
Such as we have all heard about the underground Military bases etc etc… just think about that for a minute… You have probablly all seen Hollywood movies such as 'Deep Impact' and ones similar? Maybe there is a subliminal message there for all of us, but just take it for granted? I choose fact over fiction and theory for sources to answers, we all have questions… right!
So taking into account that the US gov, NASA and Big-Wigs know more than we do… who will survive from the worlds population with the aid of those people in probable underground bunkers?… you watched it and most probably took it for granted from those subliminal messages in those Hollywood movies…. but think about, 'it won't be you… and it won't be me… only a selected minority who are of 'standard' and of whats required for the next generation will be allowed in… this is only speculation mind you, but noted non the less!
Why only a few? You try feeding, giving medical attention, governing a 'mass' population of millions… with what? (The world has just been put through a massive destructive force of natural events) . So how do the 'chosen few' (100's maybe a few thousand at least?) in the bunkers survive? Stock pile of course and gathered/stored knowledge as the previous eras may have done, but don't forget we are a 'master race' now, so we use fuels and technologies.
Thinks about this, why does the US want to control all the Fuel reserves in Iraq and its neighbours? With out fuel, technology can not progress or develop further, machines stored can not work, vehicles for the future 3,600 year cycle for those chosen can not work heating and cooling equipment can not work, water filtration equipment can not work, medical equipment can not work and construction equipment for the 'next' generation can not work… that is why they will and have stock piles and seek ALL control of fossil fuels and oil. Am I talking 'BS'? Some how I don't think so… there is more to it all than meets the eye and what 'we' know, it just takes common sense and an 'open mind'!
Just think about the next generation, it will progress much quicker with the knowledge we now have as human beings/homo sapiens than any other period though history. Our brains and knowledge won't allow us to begin again using sticks and stones for building, we have advanced way too far for that… the next generation will have new ideas and a better understanding of what is and has been happening and by advancement… will probably 'be' flying around in 'hover' cars, and futuristic machines etc etc…. THERE IS NO WAY THAT SUCH THINGS CAN BE OBTAINED IN "OUR" LIFE TIME… think about it, how and where and with what for millions of earths population to get with the times… won't happen… but for 'those selected few' it will because it is more obtainable and efficient on the big scheme of things to advance for a minority rather than a majority!
Then there will be another 3,600 year cycle… and again technology will be different and thinking will be different! But for now, what do we do, what can we do… simply, use your mind and be open mined and just think about the future! BS maybe, but again… History repeats its self… sooner than we really think!
Also… have a think about Mars, why is this planet that is so probable to have life (fact of water and previous atmosphere) and was similar to earth dead? What collided Mars to give it a 10,000 'km crater impact that is almost 40% of its size?
Something BIG happened, something upset the 'evolution' of life on Mars to leave it in a dead state! Really when you look at it, Mars isn't all that far away in the big space of the universe from us and is within range of this 3,600 year cycle of Nibiru/ mysterious planet what ever it is orbital cycle… maybe during a cycle it was in it's path? Maybe it could happen here too? Just think about it… Mars was alive once, the evidence of flowing water and lake/ocean contour lines proves this… so why is it dead? Just think about it!
Could the 'asteroid' that hit the earth during the prehistoric era have been a piece from Mars's impact during a 3,600 year previous cycle?
Really just have a real think about things and conduct your own research and gather your thoughts… Disaster will happen again, when? Maybe soon, maybe a little later? So if this is all BS, then so has been the rest of history and man-kinds advancement… somehow I don't think so!

By: james

james — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:04:48 +0000

if we all die we all die lol personaly l think this is true in a way and in a nother way l think this is all bullshit because the secend coming of jeuses like come on get a fucking life and who ever you are stufigudios BRING IT ON try to take over this world bitch we are waiting

By: ironi

ironi — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:25:54 +0000

why am i posting this? i'm so fucking bored. i hope we all die soon.

By: John Bullshit

John Bullshit — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:03:03 +0000

Everything is BULLSHIT! Life is bullshit. The earth is bullshit. Heaven and hell are bullshit. Consciousness is bullshit. Everything you perceive as existing is BULLSHIT! Nothing exists. Your imagination is not yours to imagine. I am the only true BULLSHIT that ever was and ever will be. I created you all and I created none. THIS IS ALL MY BULLSHIT!

By: Darren

Darren — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:45:07 +0000

if planet X (Niboo or Nibiru ) could been seen you would need to be on the south poll looking towards the sun to see it at all .but at this time it has not been seen as of yet because its cumming from the other side of are gas giant the sun , if its true more then likely you wont see it until summer or fall of 2010 as it slowly moves in to are planetary system ,at this point the giant planet with its own system of moons are going to pull on other body's (planets and there moons in a solar system ) creating tidal waves ,higher then normal water levels in are oceans and earth tremors all over the globe as the earth will be in its gravity well, all hell could break loose ,some think that this has happen before and well keep happening every 26,000 years as in 2012 ,mite I add this year(2012) are solar system will be in the galactic center of are universe just the same as the the Mayans had wrote on then own calender of thousands of years before .
some think its the end ,,but I think it more like a new beginning for humanity its happen before and it will happen again and again ,are magnetic polls on the planet may shift or revers its field polarity and millions could parish from this but if we survive this and keep are technology run will be ok ,but another thing is going to happen 2012 the sun it self could be changing the sun is on a 11 year cycle and it shows through sun spots the sun it self changes, reversing it own magnetic flow from + to – to -to+ every 11 years this in concatenation with Plant X could or may spell are doom.
Darren

By: J

Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:39:05 +0000

I love how when some people can't wrap their minds around something, they bring religion into it. Scientists are actually DOING something to study the outer realms of our planet, not specifically to this article. What do religious people do? Read the bible, go to church, then believe everything they take in from that and further separate themselves from reality, basing everything on one supreme being. How convenient.

By: eddy

eddy — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:59:29 +0000

all ur comments are absolutely logical dude!
these doomsday idiots twist science and make some hocus focus .
really if any change comes in 2012 then it should be the eradication of these doomsday prophets!!

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By: Faz

Faz — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:29:43 +0000

I agree with "himmpissed"

Believe in Almighty God, forget about any nonce Nibiru, you people are insecure because of your lack of faith in Almighty God.

By: himmpissed

himmpissed — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:51:20 +0000

Projects like Nibiru, Giants, Fallen Angels …. are all government agenda tries to wipe off the basis of the religion in people, make them scared and demand more security and rescue so that they can propose their nwo agenda.

By: moolaa

moolaa — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:06:02 +0000

this is all bs…? really? that would explain y i can live without breathing and i feed off of human blood…