It is not some dead atmosphereless weatherless rock of a planet like the moon, so is it not possible that the reason this craft seems so covered in dirt is simply because of that or that a possibility is that it was kicked up into the air from the landing thrusters and settled slowly over time due to mars lower gravity?

all the things that these debunkers have tried to blame as computer rendered images on NASA's part can be explained away by simple planetary phenomenon.

sure i would have to agree on the fact that there are things NASA does not want us to know, its like that with all big businesses but NASA'S all about space exploration and i cant see them staging a massive multimillion dollar hoax saying they went to mars when they didn't, when they could have actually spent the same amount of money going there in the first place.

the next thing we'll hear is that the space shuttles NASA have in their hangers don't really work and its all a public stunt with pre recorded news crews and that NASA have indeed sent probes to cydonia and found that the structures they found were indeed million year old pyramids but no we can't let the fact that intelligent life other than humans exists in the universe leak into the general public, lets keep them in blissful ignorance….

Well said sir.

A pity that I had to wade through pages of rubbish to find your sensible post. Had I not had the patience, I could have ended up thinking this otherwise excellent site was just another sounding board for 'crack pot conspiracy theorists' and given up reading it.

I can't help wondering if the 'inability to drop some soil into the oven' was scripted, and someone not in the loop noticed the ice chunks sublimation in the photos – something that wasn't in the 'nope, no water to be found here' script.

Also getting a good laugh from the 'oh how stupid – just look at Mars through a telescope- it's clearly red.' Yes, and so are many desert areas of Earth from space. Of course Mars looks redish from space. No one would be so stupid as to claim otherwise. But when in a desert, look up. what color is the sky on a clear day? Also while there, take a picture of something white, or blue, or green – does the 'red desert' make everything in the photo look red? No, it doesn't.

Yet in past NASA publications of images from Mars, *everything* is reddish. Even the bits of the rovers/lander that are known to be white, or other colors. And no, it's not a 'dust film' – the effect is there even in early pics before there was significant dusting. As with Phoenix's solar arrays. The white parts look pink, the blue solar cells look brownish, and in the early shots of that trench, the parts that we now see looking pure white in pics after they admit it's ice, were dull brown.

Even JPL tried to correct the lies – witness their press conference last year in which they presented their versions of rover pictures of Mars – correct colors, light blue sky, etc.

Sure, it's a relatively minor detail, but none the less, NASA'a 'Mars colors' are a lie. And you can't trust *anything* from a known liar.

I'd be a lot happier if the raw image & science data was published on the net immediately it was received, before NASA 'tidied it up'. Since it's publicly funded research, it should be.

Whose bright idea was it anyways to allow the Great Unwashed to write whatever they want wherever they want?

they must be color blind! "mars is gray! i swear!"

I think that conspiracy would be harder to achieve than actually sending a robot to Mars – refer to Matt's Occam Razor comment

Cheers! Ian

It never stopped any serious science buffs before and it won't stop them now.

Read up on the Van Allen Belt after it was referred to in a comment. It was interesting. High altitude nuclear explosions test in 1962 and what followed, was very interesting. Read in wikipedia.

Some of these comments are just saddening.

They've clearly been subverted to serve *some* kind of misinformation program, even if it's not clear what the reason may be.

Now we see another Mars lander, from which images are either black and white (in the age of ubiquitous, dirt cheap high-res miniature color cameras – give me a break!) or the same old 'Red channel turned right up' lying garbage. It would be laughable if it wasn't so insulting. I mean come on – even parts of Phoenix which are obviously a clean white (eg parts of the solar array) appear red-brown. The deep blue solar cells appear muddy brown-bluish. Who the heck do these idiots think they are fooling?

More importantly, *why* are they trying? How does it cause anyone a problem if people see true-color images from Mars, in which the sky is light blue, and rocks look like ordinary rocks? As truthfully shown at a JPL news conference, at which JPL displayed rover images constructed from the original raw data feeds, *before* NASA applied their 'make everything muddy brown' filter.

Come on NASA, stop lying. You are just making yourselves look stupid, and destroying your once-great reputation.

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The Lander is in Area 51 as with every image they've ever sent from a moon walk or Mar landers.

The editors failed to delete the image of one of the antenna that are spread through out the site.

Images don't lie.

The fact they can show color images of the dirt inside the craft but are "unable" to show us color images out outside, is one of the in your face, what you gonna do actions NASA is famous for.

The masking of the sky, the leveling of the horizon to make it look flat, are clearly seen in all their so called Mars images. (Photoshop 098, at your local college)

There may be something on MARS but what they release is much like the Apollo images. Studio released garbage, made by Rookie losers that couldn't make it in a real animation studio. (probably because once you know they have to kill ya, so they probably roll through a lot of people)

Same with the recent "Space Walk" images.

One thing about 3d design and imaging as realized in early 3d movies. It's hard to add imperfections to make things look real.

Also hasn't anyone ever looked at the earth on any space walk, and Apollo missions? What is missing? You tell me. I know someone has to look once in a while.

The rookie 3d animators at NASA need to ask Pixar to help them. Oh yeah that would mean spending money. All their money is for above top secret missions.

(Above top secret = Enemy of the state)

Nasa stands for… Not Actually (a) Space Agency

Where the money is going? Probably the same place FEMAs money is going…

I'm not tell you, you need to figure that one out yourself. If you knew you'd be pretty upset and scared.

The time is short, but I'm sure your all too busy with your life, to take a moment to try and make a difference.

Demand justice now, before it's too late.

To all the hired online, nay saying name calling "people" with your obsessions with gay sex; your only proving our point that it's all a lie. Anger no longer works as a way to stop a discussion. The power of control is losing.

What happens when you lose control?

All you have to do is look around and stop allowing people to tell you what your seeing. Your an adult, you can think with out being told how.

How you all at NASA sleep at night I have no idea.

I'd say God Bless but he too has been hijacked so I'll say best of luck, we're going to need it in a big way.

Please, see library.

And I suppose you are right about us being able to heat through the ice, however, it would probably take years