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	<title>Comments on: Caught in the Act:  Astronomers See Supernova As it Explodes</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Zimmerly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Zimmerly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was Oscar Duhalde who was the first to see SN1987A on that fateful February night. Only after he and Ian Shelton submitted their discovery had the Neutrino detectors been checked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was Oscar Duhalde who was the first to see SN1987A on that fateful February night. Only after he and Ian Shelton submitted their discovery had the Neutrino detectors been checked.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanamonde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanamonde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa</description>
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		<title>By: Aodhhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aodhhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why everyone is so excited about this. This thing happened thousands and thousands of years ago. :/
By now, its remnants are probably the shape of a beer can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know why everyone is so excited about this. This thing happened thousands and thousands of years ago. :/<br />
By now, its remnants are probably the shape of a beer can.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pretty wild.  i know nothing about telescope technology, but when could we expect an instrument that could really see more of the fine details in a discovery like this?   or is that only available by sending out probes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty wild.  i know nothing about telescope technology, but when could we expect an instrument that could really see more of the fine details in a discovery like this?   or is that only available by sending out probes?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the &quot;looking at it when it exploded&quot; debate.

If I remember correctly, the neutrino signal from 1987A was not discovered until several days after the optical SN discovery. I mean, it did happen before Shelton&#039;s observation, but there was no real-time alert.

Actually, the Caltech team is twisting history here quite a lot... Every long Gamma-Ray Burst is an eminent signal of an exploding star. And the best claim for immediate detection is XRF 060218/SN 2006aj. In that case, the X-ray Outburst actually triggered Swift (with XRO 080109, it was discovered in ground analysis hours later), and both Swift&#039;s UVOT as well as the ROTSE robotic telescope discovered optical emission just 100 seconds or so after the begninning of the outburst. But that was not discovered by Caltech, so they are downplaying it...

@Astrofiend: This is not the only team reporting observations!! Do check out these papers too:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.1188
(This team was the first to identify that the new optical source was, indeed, a supernova)
http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2201
(This team has sensitive limits just hours before the X-ray outburst, and also were the first to correctly identify this as a Type Ib SN, not Ic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the &#034;looking at it when it exploded&#034; debate.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, the neutrino signal from 1987A was not discovered until several days after the optical SN discovery. I mean, it did happen before Shelton&#039;s observation, but there was no real-time alert.</p>
<p>Actually, the Caltech team is twisting history here quite a lot&#8230; Every long Gamma-Ray Burst is an eminent signal of an exploding star. And the best claim for immediate detection is XRF 060218/SN 2006aj. In that case, the X-ray Outburst actually triggered Swift (with XRO 080109, it was discovered in ground analysis hours later), and both Swift&#039;s UVOT as well as the ROTSE robotic telescope discovered optical emission just 100 seconds or so after the begninning of the outburst. But that was not discovered by Caltech, so they are downplaying it&#8230;</p>
<p>@Astrofiend: This is not the only team reporting observations!! Do check out these papers too:</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.1188" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.1188</a><br />
(This team was the first to identify that the new optical source was, indeed, a supernova)<br />
<a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2201" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2201</a><br />
(This team has sensitive limits just hours before the X-ray outburst, and also were the first to correctly identify this as a Type Ib SN, not Ic.)</p>
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		<title>By: PHWilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m applying for a PR job with Nasa ;).  All this emphasis on &quot;accident&quot; or &quot;serendipity&quot; is totally missing the mark when it comes to the positive side of this astounding discovery.  What is the positive side?  Da SWIFT, da SWIFT boss!  Had the scope not been funded and launched - there would be no &quot;accident&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m applying for a PR job with Nasa <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  All this emphasis on &#034;accident&#034; or &#034;serendipity&#034; is totally missing the mark when it comes to the positive side of this astounding discovery.  What is the positive side?  Da SWIFT, da SWIFT boss!  Had the scope not been funded and launched &#8211; there would be no &#034;accident&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dumb question, but wasn&#039;t Supernova 1987A the first to be &quot;caught in the act&quot; of exploding?&quot;

Yeah - I reckon you could debate this point with support going either way. My take on it is that, while the neutrinos were detected at three separate observatories, they didn&#039;t quite know what they had seen for a little while. The &#039;discovery&#039; was attributed to a visible light observation by Shelton, I think.

In the latest case, the X-ray burst arrived and was observed, signaling the imminent arrival of the optical component of the radiation. After reading the paper in question in &#039;Nature&#039;, the authors state &quot;...Simultaneous observations of the field with the co-aligned Ultraviolet/Optical Telescope (UVOT) on board Swift showed no evidence for a contemporaneous counterpart [to the X-ray outburst]. However, UVOT observations just 1.4 h after the outburst revealed a brightening ultraviolet/optical counterpart. Subsequent ground-based optical observations also uncovered a coincident source.&quot;

So I guess they&#039;re claiming that, unlike for sn1987a, they witnessed the first actual supernova light-curve rising from the baseline to full intensity from the very first moment the optical signal came through .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Dumb question, but wasn&#039;t Supernova 1987A the first to be &#034;caught in the act&#034; of exploding?&#034;</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; I reckon you could debate this point with support going either way. My take on it is that, while the neutrinos were detected at three separate observatories, they didn&#039;t quite know what they had seen for a little while. The &#039;discovery&#039; was attributed to a visible light observation by Shelton, I think.</p>
<p>In the latest case, the X-ray burst arrived and was observed, signaling the imminent arrival of the optical component of the radiation. After reading the paper in question in &#039;Nature&#039;, the authors state &#034;&#8230;Simultaneous observations of the field with the co-aligned Ultraviolet/Optical Telescope (UVOT) on board Swift showed no evidence for a contemporaneous counterpart [to the X-ray outburst]. However, UVOT observations just 1.4 h after the outburst revealed a brightening ultraviolet/optical counterpart. Subsequent ground-based optical observations also uncovered a coincident source.&#034;</p>
<p>So I guess they&#039;re claiming that, unlike for sn1987a, they witnessed the first actual supernova light-curve rising from the baseline to full intensity from the very first moment the optical signal came through .</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 04:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct, Brian. I&#039;m not a scientist, but I do remember 1987A being proclaimed as exactly that. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was considered so because they caught it before it peaked.

I guess we will find out that this is a &quot;first&quot; based on some other criteria.

With that said, it may be that they have determined that SWIFT has been continuously trained on that area starting prior to the event, even if not focused on the original star itself. I guess that would beat out the previous first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct, Brian. I&#039;m not a scientist, but I do remember 1987A being proclaimed as exactly that. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was considered so because they caught it before it peaked.</p>
<p>I guess we will find out that this is a &#034;first&#034; based on some other criteria.</p>
<p>With that said, it may be that they have determined that SWIFT has been continuously trained on that area starting prior to the event, even if not focused on the original star itself. I guess that would beat out the previous first.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 00:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Other observatories also turned their telescopes toward this stellar explosion, making detailed observations of the event, including the Hubble Space Telescope, the Chandra X-ray Observatory, Palomar&#039;s 60- and 200-nch telescopes, the Gemini Observatory and Kitt 1 Telescope in Hawaii, and the Very Large Array and Apache Point Observatories in New Mexico. This will allow a very detailed study of this event.&quot;

Great to see that this much firepower was brought to bear on the event! hopefully when the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope goes online, these sort of amazing observations will become much more frequent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Other observatories also turned their telescopes toward this stellar explosion, making detailed observations of the event, including the Hubble Space Telescope, the Chandra X-ray Observatory, Palomar&#039;s 60- and 200-nch telescopes, the Gemini Observatory and Kitt 1 Telescope in Hawaii, and the Very Large Array and Apache Point Observatories in New Mexico. This will allow a very detailed study of this event.&#034;</p>
<p>Great to see that this much firepower was brought to bear on the event! hopefully when the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope goes online, these sort of amazing observations will become much more frequent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: El Sofista - In fraganti: AstrÃ³nomos ven una supernova en el momento de su explosiÃ³n</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Sofista - In fraganti: AstrÃ³nomos ven una supernova en el momento de su explosiÃ³n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El satÃ©lite Swift hizo otra observaciÃ³n fortuita. En esta oportunidad, y por primera vez en la historia, los astrÃ³nomos captaron una estrella en el momento de pasar a supernova. Se habÃ­an observado antes estas explosiones estelares, pero siempre despuÃ©s de mucho tiempo de comenzados los fuegos artificiales.   [...]   Fuente: Nancy Atkinson para Universe Today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El satÃ©lite Swift hizo otra observaciÃ³n fortuita. En esta oportunidad, y por primera vez en la historia, los astrÃ³nomos captaron una estrella en el momento de pasar a supernova. Se habÃ­an observado antes estas explosiones estelares, pero siempre despuÃ©s de mucho tiempo de comenzados los fuegos artificiales.   [...]   Fuente: Nancy Atkinson para Universe Today.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianV</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumb question, but wasn&#039;t Supernova 1987A the first to be &quot;caught in the act&quot; of exploding?  

The neutrino burst from 1987A (in the Large Magellanic cloud) was detected in the US and Japan, and the time of the optical burst was bracketed by observations from Albert Jones in New Zealand and Ian Shelton at Las Campanas in Chile.  

I would argue the detection of the neutrino burst constitutes a star &quot;caught in the act&quot; of going supernova.

Something for the historians to sort out, I suppose.  

Still, this is a wonderful discovery.  Can&#039;t wait to hear what they learn from this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumb question, but wasn&#039;t Supernova 1987A the first to be &#034;caught in the act&#034; of exploding?  </p>
<p>The neutrino burst from 1987A (in the Large Magellanic cloud) was detected in the US and Japan, and the time of the optical burst was bracketed by observations from Albert Jones in New Zealand and Ian Shelton at Las Campanas in Chile.  </p>
<p>I would argue the detection of the neutrino burst constitutes a star &#034;caught in the act&#034; of going supernova.</p>
<p>Something for the historians to sort out, I suppose.  </p>
<p>Still, this is a wonderful discovery.  Can&#039;t wait to hear what they learn from this!</p>
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		<title>By: Terragen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terragen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientists always find ways to plumb data out of every observation years after the results. Continue to observe this for years now, its going to all be catalogued from the very moment it went off, thats wnderful and this really is a unique and historic event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientists always find ways to plumb data out of every observation years after the results. Continue to observe this for years now, its going to all be catalogued from the very moment it went off, thats wnderful and this really is a unique and historic event.</p>
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		<title>By: Emission Nebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emission Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was lucky indeed. I doubt that anything new will be learned from it though. Maybe only &quot;confirmed&quot; theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was lucky indeed. I doubt that anything new will be learned from it though. Maybe only &#034;confirmed&#034; theories.</p>
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		<title>By: H-town Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>H-town Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty phenomenal news.  Funny how most human discoveries happen by accident.  I wonder what they&#039;ll find out from this.  With the telescopes they have now and the ones they&#039;re bringing out within the next decade, it&#039;ll be every stargazers wet dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty phenomenal news.  Funny how most human discoveries happen by accident.  I wonder what they&#039;ll find out from this.  With the telescopes they have now and the ones they&#039;re bringing out within the next decade, it&#039;ll be every stargazers wet dream.</p>
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