Comments on: The Pioneer Anomaly: A Deviation from Einstein Gravity?

By: JK

JK — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:40:09 +0000

C Y Lo is a good physicist. I've read a paper of his on vertical arm interferometers. What is he doing here with these people? We've got to get you out of here doc, don't worry we'll get you out…

By: timstro59

timstro59 — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:28:49 +0000

it could be a combination of space dust, unknown keiper belt objects, the gravitational pull of the sun and jupiter combined, the unseen dark matter halo surronding the sun and just plain old bad luck

By: pioneerf90bt

pioneerf90bt — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:58:39 +0000

I really enjoyed reading this page…Thanks for this

By: mt0ne

mt0ne — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:12:48 +0000

C. Y. Lo
Site your sources please.

By: NASA CHRIS

NASA CHRIS — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:41:51 +0000

One word, well.. three.

MASS. Dark Matter.

Or if you prefer, DUST.

By: Jamahl Peavey

Jamahl Peavey — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:29:47 +0000

There too many variables internal and external to the probe to say what the source of the error in position actually is.

By: C. Y. Lo

C. Y. Lo — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:05:33 +0000

The cause of the pioneer anomaly has been identified as the due to the charge-mass interaction, a recently discovered neutral force that makes the unification of gravity and electromagnetism necessary.

By: C. Y. Lo

C. Y. Lo — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:04:23 +0000

The cause of the pioneer anomaly has been identified as the due to the charge-mass interaction interaction, a recently discovered neutral force that makes the unification of gravity and electromagnetism necessary.

By: Timoth Eichfeld

Timoth Eichfeld — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:34:28 +0000

Could this be an indicator of the gravitational image or gravitational signature of Pre-Inflationary space on the CMB Timeline? We need a way to measure 'those' gravity waves, and and the mass of a spaceship calculated within the confines of our kown solar system would be a sufficient instrument. If the craft seems to 'speed up' in the next 20 to 30 years, it may be riding on a ultra low oscillator that may map to that timeframe. Thoughts?

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:23:53 +0000

I have several ideas about what might cause such an anomaly that I have not seen articulated, but before I put them out there I need to confirm some assumptions. My understanding is that the location of the spacecraft is determined using Doppler. Where might I find detailed information on how the measurement is being made (radio telescopes, arrays, times of year, triangulation, etc.)? Also, would it be possible to get a detailed schematic of the spacecraft?

Thanks,

-Michael

By: Wally

Wally — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:53:27 +0000

It's none of the above! It's that darn Planet X. The fact the Pioneer is slowing down (so to speak) is proof the world is going to end in 2012 because Nibiru and Annunkais are returning to earth.

Why can't scientists connect the dots like the rest of us? Kidding, kidding….

By: Aztral

Aztral — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:02:42 +0000

Something I'm trying to spend some time looking into is the correlation between these anomolies, orbital velocities of stars at galaxy (and globular cluster) egdes and Neptune's/Uranus' formation (apparently they're too large according to current solar system formation theory).

To me it is becoming apparent that G is too low, and that something about the space-time in areas of relatively high density is slowing down orbital velocities near solar system/galaxy/clusters centers.

By: zylstra

zylstra — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:48:24 +0000

Wouldn't the pros have taken into consideration everything you guys have mentioned thus far?

Also, what about the flyby anomaly?

By: Ian O'Neill

Ian O'Neill — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:23:53 +0000

Actually Jason, lateral thinking isn't goofy – it is a different way of looking at things, departing from traditional logic. I think a heavy dose of lateral thinking was required by Einstein when breaking traditional physics rules to envision special relativity. Or by Pauli when understanding how subatomic particles interact in small volumes. Or quantum entanglement – I have no idea how physicists came to work out that theory! Mathematics and physics can only predict so much, "thinking out of the box" often leads to a new direction of thinking and philosophy. From there new science evolves.

I for one wish I could think more laterally

Cheers, Ian

By: Jason Leary

Jason Leary — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:53:17 +0000

Ian,-

Lateral thinking —is goofy, equivocal , thinking.. qute wrong thinking, and , hence , is quite contrary to systematic science . Any paydirt afforded by lateral thinking is due merely to epistemic luck .

By: JN

JN — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:01:47 +0000

Hi Frend
http://www.hypothesis-of-universe.com/en/index.php?nav=home

By: Silver Thread

Silver Thread — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:09:59 +0000

Ian O'Neill Said:

"Hi Silver Thread:

I believe it has been pretty much constant, but it cannot be attributed to the solar wind. It is a subtle sunward drift, which is the opposite direction to the solar wind flow…"

I was referring to Wind Effects produced by other stars. I called it "Intersteller Wind" in an effort to make that distinction. Presumably in the areas closer to the Sun where the Solar wind can effectively negate Flow from other stars this anomaly would not be noticed, but beyond the outer orbits of Planet within our Solar System.

Is it not possible that the Solar Wind's Effect is decreased and as a result spacecraft traveling into the headwind of insterstellar space caused by the cumulative effects of the billions of other stars? Think of the Sun as a big fan, blowing into the face of many much bigger fans.

In very close proximity to the Sun, it's Solar Wind might effectively counter Interstellar Wind, but as you get further from it, the effect decreases and the overwhelming force of Wind from Other Stars would begin to slow you gradually, perhaps even eventually brining you to a halt entirely?

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:10:12 +0000

This is just for Pioneer 10 spacecraft, but are we seeing the same thing happening to other spacecrafts as well, such as Voyager 1 and 2…because if those 2 spacecraft have nothing going on like that, then this might be something else

Most of all, this is interstellar space travel, so there are many things to be considered which can take lot of time and research.

By: John

John — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:44:43 +0000

Dust. There is a lot of it out there and Pioneer is going fast, so it will encounter more of it in a short time. Space objects clear a path through it. Pioneer is making its own path. I don't think NASA has any way of measuring this. The effects have been observed with slingshots past Earth, where there is a speedup as it transits earth's path. I don't see a mystery here.

By: Fermin

Fermin — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:28:50 +0000

I guess we'll find out the real answer in about 10 years. Isnt the New Horizon probe supposed to pass Pluto and onward to outerspace?

By: Vanamonde

Vanamonde — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:24:25 +0000

We where discussing this in the forum. Was not the Voyager spacecraft and even maybe Mercury MESSENGER also experiencing this analomy?I don't think it was just a Pioneer thang.

By: Uclock

Uclock — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:25:03 +0000

The distance of the probe and the rate of accelleration from the gravity of the Sun will cause a real time dilation between us here on Earth and the intruments on the probe. It is the understanding of time that is wrong and that is where the scientists should be looking. The further the probe travels the more its time will dilate compared to us.

By: Gavin

Gavin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:03:50 +0000

"In the mean time, Pioneer 10 is drifting silently toward the red star of Aldebaran and will arrive there in 2 million years timeâ€¦"

I wonder how much of the spacecraft will have sublimed by then?

By: Ed2

Ed2 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:53:21 +0000

Great news. My conjecture on the alpha constant requires the speed of light to be 3.00000 and not 2.99792458. if you use that correction factor in the distance calculation, the probes could easily be 240,000 km closer to the sun. The correction factor is simply 1.000692286. Ed2…4/17/08

By: Daniel Fischer

Daniel Fischer — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:34:23 +0000

Have a look at this paper from 7 years ago that came to the conclusion that non-isotropic heat radiation is the answer and that "by accounting for the bulk of the acceleration, the proposed mechanism makes it much more likely that the entire effect can be explained without the need for new physics."

Could it be that the "anomaly" has been kept on life-support by eager physicists when it was dead in the water already in 2001, thanks to a sound engineering study …? Anyone remember the "N-rays" of 100 years earlier? Go google for them and be astounded …