Here's a suggestion (speculation) that before the big bang, there was (probably) a big bounce. So what did we have before the 'big bounce'? Another 'Big b…..' I suppose?

I'd like to add another thought to ponder. It seems likely to me that if we learn that the universe is, indeed, cyclical, we will later learn that there are other cyclical universes and these universes are parts of a larger system. Ultimately, we will accept the realization that existence is infinitely complex. Beginnings and creations are human concepts. The nature of nature is infinite complexity.

And if we eventually learn otherwise, great!

Wait. does this mean an identical "me" is being subjected to a preposterous amount of BS on a daily basis but in reverse?

Or is the reverse relative and I am the one going in reverse? and I though I was moving ahead in life!

Has physics explained all the anti-entropy machines running around this planet yet?

so maybe this point we are at now is another stage of understanding, trial and error. Its good to have options, process of elimination will eventually find the answer so long as there are minds hungry enough for it.
For those who still cling to religion, I think they're just affraid to abanndon their belief for the fear of being ignorant, or maybe they just don't want to accept the end and have to rely on the after life to console their anxiety.

These new ideas are just the next step to the answer, there can only be so many ideas and with the race for it growing ever faster, eventually someone will find the evidence to solidify one of these hypothesis. That's life, understanding, and there's plenty of it. I don't know the inner workings of the big bang, but it makes me think, and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart to appreciate the actual fact of being aware of such important information. Its nice to be informed, so thanks for this mind opening discussion, I have certainly enjoyed absorbing all this and sorting it out in the logical file cabinet. Aren't we all just like the kid that keeps asking why. Why? Because its human nature. That's all I know. Thanks for enduring my ramblings, I feel better now. Good luck in life everyone :-j

So I'm thinking here that the universe just vacillates back and forth. Singularity in forwards time is just called a black hole, singularity in reverse time is called a big bang. Everything starts with one and ends with the other. Whether you're traveling 'forwards' or 'backwards' through time is simply a matter of perspective. Same way a particle in forwards time behaves exactly the same an anti-particle in reverse. It's all just a matter of perspective.

I'm thinking maybe they're the same thing. Matter falls into the black hole. That matter can no longer see anything of the universe from whence it came because of the event horizon now enclosing it. Relativity predicts an equal and opposite parallel universe inside a black hole with a second singularity with of exact opposite characteristics – a white hole where matter can only escape (in other words a big bang that can only exist within the confines of the black hole's event horizon).

If our universe were born from a white hole singularity inside a black hole, it would look essentially the same, as we cannot see beyond the edge of our event horizon. As our black hole / universe absorbs more matter, the event horizon expands, which is analogous to the expansion of the universe itself.

It's already been theorized that micro black holes could behave exactly like normal atomic particles, as both are simply singularities. Perhaps they are the same thing and our universe is simply a seething mass of singularities of various scales moving in opposite directions on a timeline – one way for matter, the other for antimatter (or normal matter who's time happens to be running backwards).

Markus,

I agree with you and I'm thinking as the same as you are with the black holes. Maybe we came from a black hole that had back fired. Why are we finding more and more black holes? I do think the birth of our universe has something to do with the black holes. Does it seem that there is a black hole in every solar system? What happens (if) all these black holes and matter becomes one big black hole? Are we a universe made an existing universe????

I do think it all does have something to do with the black holes, but the question is how did it all start???

Markus, I think you have excellent points which I do agree with and thinking on the same level as you. Excellent!!!!

Mark

what was before this quantum copy of the Big Bang? Try running in the funny room with the maze of mirrors and ask a evolutionist that question. Its a madness they give to avoid answering.

Nothing creates nothing. rewind the big bang movie in your mind. There had to be a start and the start needs an intelligent Creator. "In the begginning God created the heavens and the earth"

There is no way we can know how the universe worked before that, because our very ways of thinking are a result of the current post-bang universe. We simply are not capable of understanding the events before, because there is no "before" for us to perceive.

…I think all of this is in the realm of hypothesis until someone can find a way to test these ideas.

It also seems weird to think about time as something contained by the universe, and yet to try and imagine something 'before' the universe – it sorta breaks down, but I think I'm focussing on the strict semantics too much. This really does edge against the realm of spirituality as much as it does science. Fun stuff to think about, though – thanks for the writeup!

And If the chicken was first the pardox remains. Which I kind of like actually b/c it means science will never have all the answers and neither will religion. You end up having to decide what you do or don't believe. But the fact that we exist at all is some form of miracle, which you can take religiously or not.

Markus stone, I enjoyed reading your concept. I'm not a science dude so I don't know whether it is plausible or not but its interesting. I got hung up on the very last point you made about the universe appearing to accelerate but its actually time slowing. Can you elaborate to help my peanut brain? Thanks.