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	<title>Comments on: Russian Memorial for Space Dog Laika (Update)</title>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/11/russian-memorial-for-space-dog-laika/comment-page-2/#comment-58102</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is the saddest story ever to be told</description>
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		<title>By: Falter</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/11/russian-memorial-for-space-dog-laika/comment-page-2/#comment-28935</link>
		<dc:creator>Falter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choices for Laika?  I agree, given her druthers, the poor pup would probably have preferred a nice romp in a park, a snuggle in someone&#039;s lap, or a cozy snooze in her own little bed.  However, had she not had such a famous a date with history, the odds of her ever seeing these things were practically nil anyway.  As a stray on Moscow&#039;s streets during the Krushchev years, her likely options included:  

1) being adopted by some human, 
2) living out her years on the streets, or 
3) being picked up by some dogcatcher.  

There was not much chance of option #1 happening in that times were rough then in Moscow.  True, not everyone was poor, but even US dog pounds couldn&#039;t place all the dogs they had then...and the US was supposedly a financially better off society.  Laika *could* have been adopted, but the odds were pretty slim.  

If she ended up with option #2, she might have been able to see maybe her seventh birthday, but she probably would have been cold, hungry, malnourished, dirty, and frightened for the majority of that time.  This assumes disease, accident, starvation, exposure, or a larger dog or cat didn&#039;t end her life first.  Her time and place was not a pleasant place to be for a homeless dog.  

If she found herself with option #3, if she were lucky, she would have been euthanized quickly to make room for the next dog at the pound.  If she were unlucky, she would have ended up as a test subject in a more mundane experiment than spaceflight, but probably promised a much slower, much more painful end.  Stray dogs were the test subject of choice for the USSR in those days.  

As sad as it is to say, the poor pup wasn&#039;t born with many options.  What few she had weren&#039;t very appealing.  Perhaps the end she was given had at least a shred more meaning than she would have had otherwise.  I know they&#039;re hollow words five decades too late, but words and her memory are all we have left.

So as you shed a tear for Laika/Kudryavka, pause a moment to honor those other animals whose deaths were less glamorous, but were probably much more horrible...and definitely much less remembered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choices for Laika?  I agree, given her druthers, the poor pup would probably have preferred a nice romp in a park, a snuggle in someone&#039;s lap, or a cozy snooze in her own little bed.  However, had she not had such a famous a date with history, the odds of her ever seeing these things were practically nil anyway.  As a stray on Moscow&#039;s streets during the Krushchev years, her likely options included:  </p>
<p>1) being adopted by some human,<br />
2) living out her years on the streets, or<br />
3) being picked up by some dogcatcher.  </p>
<p>There was not much chance of option #1 happening in that times were rough then in Moscow.  True, not everyone was poor, but even US dog pounds couldn&#039;t place all the dogs they had then&#8230;and the US was supposedly a financially better off society.  Laika *could* have been adopted, but the odds were pretty slim.  </p>
<p>If she ended up with option #2, she might have been able to see maybe her seventh birthday, but she probably would have been cold, hungry, malnourished, dirty, and frightened for the majority of that time.  This assumes disease, accident, starvation, exposure, or a larger dog or cat didn&#039;t end her life first.  Her time and place was not a pleasant place to be for a homeless dog.  </p>
<p>If she found herself with option #3, if she were lucky, she would have been euthanized quickly to make room for the next dog at the pound.  If she were unlucky, she would have ended up as a test subject in a more mundane experiment than spaceflight, but probably promised a much slower, much more painful end.  Stray dogs were the test subject of choice for the USSR in those days.  </p>
<p>As sad as it is to say, the poor pup wasn&#039;t born with many options.  What few she had weren&#039;t very appealing.  Perhaps the end she was given had at least a shred more meaning than she would have had otherwise.  I know they&#039;re hollow words five decades too late, but words and her memory are all we have left.</p>
<p>So as you shed a tear for Laika/Kudryavka, pause a moment to honor those other animals whose deaths were less glamorous, but were probably much more horrible&#8230;and definitely much less remembered.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brent...let&#039;s name a star for her!  Also, Ken, semantics are important.  Laika wasn&#039;t given the choice.  Have you seen the movie &quot;Apocolypto&quot;?  
Are you kidding me, DaveM?  I&#039;m sure she would have preferred a walk in the park over being tortured for the good of someone else...she probably came to trust the people preparing her for the mission, don&#039;t you think?  Just to be abandoned at the end.  Dogs are so unselfish and loving.  Then, like everything else human hands have to touch (especially ones with testosterone), beings other than human have to suffer.  Don&#039;t you know dog spelled backward is God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brent&#8230;let&#039;s name a star for her!  Also, Ken, semantics are important.  Laika wasn&#039;t given the choice.  Have you seen the movie &#034;Apocolypto&#034;?<br />
Are you kidding me, DaveM?  I&#039;m sure she would have preferred a walk in the park over being tortured for the good of someone else&#8230;she probably came to trust the people preparing her for the mission, don&#039;t you think?  Just to be abandoned at the end.  Dogs are so unselfish and loving.  Then, like everything else human hands have to touch (especially ones with testosterone), beings other than human have to suffer.  Don&#039;t you know dog spelled backward is God?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all in favor of the space program but I took exception to the phrases &quot;...we should all be grateful for her sacrifice.&quot; and &quot;We all sacrifice for the better of all.&quot; since the dog wasn&#039;t given the choice to volunteer to give her life in exchange for the advancement of space exploration. 
   But then I recognized that the two phrases, while misleading, are actually appropriate, since &quot;sacrifice&quot; also means the slaughtering of an animal in a ritualistic fashion in exchange for some preferential treatment or other benefit. 
   It would be more accurate to say &quot;Laika was sacrificed...&quot; than to say &quot;Laika sacrificed herself...&quot;. Maybe this is just semantics, but important semantics to be sure, in case someone ever tries to sacrifice you, for the better of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m all in favor of the space program but I took exception to the phrases &#034;&#8230;we should all be grateful for her sacrifice.&#034; and &#034;We all sacrifice for the better of all.&#034; since the dog wasn&#039;t given the choice to volunteer to give her life in exchange for the advancement of space exploration.<br />
   But then I recognized that the two phrases, while misleading, are actually appropriate, since &#034;sacrifice&#034; also means the slaughtering of an animal in a ritualistic fashion in exchange for some preferential treatment or other benefit.<br />
   It would be more accurate to say &#034;Laika was sacrificed&#8230;&#034; than to say &#034;Laika sacrificed herself&#8230;&#034;. Maybe this is just semantics, but important semantics to be sure, in case someone ever tries to sacrifice you, for the better of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us name a bright happy star for the beautiful dog Laika who shines in our hearts for what the Russians did to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us name a bright happy star for the beautiful dog Laika who shines in our hearts for what the Russians did to her.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveM</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/11/russian-memorial-for-space-dog-laika/comment-page-1/#comment-18194</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, John. I couldn&#039;t have put it any better. 

I&#039;m sure that if Laika had had a choice between being strapped into a capsule and blasted into space before dieing due to heat exhaustion before finally being burnt up in an uncontrolled re-entry, or going for a walk in the park and fetching a stick, she would certainy have chosen the former - fully aware that she was helping the Soviet Space effort at the height of the cold war.

God bless her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, John. I couldn&#039;t have put it any better. </p>
<p>I&#039;m sure that if Laika had had a choice between being strapped into a capsule and blasted into space before dieing due to heat exhaustion before finally being burnt up in an uncontrolled re-entry, or going for a walk in the park and fetching a stick, she would certainy have chosen the former &#8211; fully aware that she was helping the Soviet Space effort at the height of the cold war.</p>
<p>God bless her.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless if you think it was humane, Laika paved the way to space, and for that we should all be grateful for her sacrifice. Im sure if given the choice, she wouldn&#039;t have it any other way. And as for those who think this was just awful, you need to reexamine your role in this world. We all sacrifice for the better of all. Even if it requires our lives. Why...because god wouldn&#039;t want it any other way. God Bless you laika, may our father keep you safe, and thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless if you think it was humane, Laika paved the way to space, and for that we should all be grateful for her sacrifice. Im sure if given the choice, she wouldn&#039;t have it any other way. And as for those who think this was just awful, you need to reexamine your role in this world. We all sacrifice for the better of all. Even if it requires our lives. Why&#8230;because god wouldn&#039;t want it any other way. God Bless you laika, may our father keep you safe, and thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
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		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volva walked on the moon in 1962.  Never to return. After landing he barked &#039;It&#039;s a small woof for dog, but I can&#039;t find a tree&#039;. That&#039;s why astronauts on the moon do the vulva.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volva walked on the moon in 1962.  Never to return. After landing he barked &#039;It&#039;s a small woof for dog, but I can&#039;t find a tree&#039;. That&#039;s why astronauts on the moon do the vulva.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott B</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/11/russian-memorial-for-space-dog-laika/comment-page-1/#comment-18113</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, it&#039;s sad.... But, if this was an American dog, people would be calling for the destruction of the Eisenhower library since he was president at this time.  It&#039;s awwwffuulllll.  WAAAAHHHH!!!   It was awful, but I&#039;m glad to see that so many on this board do not have their head up their rear on this one.  However, I will iterate (reiterate) that if this was an American dog, people in this ridiculously animal-loving country would still be flipping out about it.  May Laika Rest in Peace.  Cool dog.  Great memorial.  It&#039;s the least the Russians can do 50 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it&#039;s sad&#8230;. But, if this was an American dog, people would be calling for the destruction of the Eisenhower library since he was president at this time.  It&#039;s awwwffuulllll.  WAAAAHHHH!!!   It was awful, but I&#039;m glad to see that so many on this board do not have their head up their rear on this one.  However, I will iterate (reiterate) that if this was an American dog, people in this ridiculously animal-loving country would still be flipping out about it.  May Laika Rest in Peace.  Cool dog.  Great memorial.  It&#039;s the least the Russians can do 50 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: wiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m mean a pill not a pile =)</description>
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		<title>By: wiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are to serious take a happy pile !</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiston, that comment in no shape or form is appropriate for this site or any other. It was rude, distasteful, and offensive. If you have any sense, you will apologise for that statement and never post here again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiston, that comment in no shape or form is appropriate for this site or any other. It was rude, distasteful, and offensive. If you have any sense, you will apologise for that statement and never post here again.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrofiend (Syd, Aust)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrofiend (Syd, Aust)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kevin M. Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 8:54 am

What is scarier is that there is some recorded radio evidence that the Soviets also sent undocumented people up there who never came down.&quot;

You can&#039;t make a statement like that without backing it with at least one credible source. Sounds like a whack-job conspiracy theory to me, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Kevin M. Says:<br />
April 13th, 2008 at 8:54 am</p>
<p>What is scarier is that there is some recorded radio evidence that the Soviets also sent undocumented people up there who never came down.&#034;</p>
<p>You can&#039;t make a statement like that without backing it with at least one credible source. Sounds like a whack-job conspiracy theory to me, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is scarier is that there is some recorded radio evidence that the Soviets also sent undocumented people up there who never came down. But I guess no one will ever follow up on that, maybe it&#039;s better not to ever turn over that rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is scarier is that there is some recorded radio evidence that the Soviets also sent undocumented people up there who never came down. But I guess no one will ever follow up on that, maybe it&#039;s better not to ever turn over that rock.</p>
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		<title>By: wiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyn would you kill a puppy for 2 million $ ?</description>
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		<title>By: pantzov</title>
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		<dc:creator>pantzov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the dog would have had no idea what was going on. it&#039;s sad, but that&#039;s just the way they they did things back then. 

at least this dog gets some respect when so many other animals simply perished anonymously in failed tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the dog would have had no idea what was going on. it&#039;s sad, but that&#039;s just the way they they did things back then. </p>
<p>at least this dog gets some respect when so many other animals simply perished anonymously in failed tests.</p>
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		<title>By: alokmohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alokmohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>viva   laika.</description>
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		<title>By: Lyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely not a lucky dog to have to be strapped into a hot capsule for three days and then to die of overheating in space. How scary that must have been for her.

We can only hope that her body gave out quickly, to spare her mind the suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely not a lucky dog to have to be strapped into a hot capsule for three days and then to die of overheating in space. How scary that must have been for her.</p>
<p>We can only hope that her body gave out quickly, to spare her mind the suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: tamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....more like the luckiest dog in the Universe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.more like the luckiest dog in the Universe!</p>
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		<title>By: wiston</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coolest dog in the universe !</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Rollberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Rollberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I get a model of the memorial to Laika. if there is one?  I love dogs and I think having that with my NASA mementos since this was the first known dog in Space as far as we on Earth know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I get a model of the memorial to Laika. if there is one?  I love dogs and I think having that with my NASA mementos since this was the first known dog in Space as far as we on Earth know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. LAME</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/11/russian-memorial-for-space-dog-laika/comment-page-1/#comment-17969</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. LAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>find ur russian wife today???
indeed 
great past lame future 
those sites should be banned !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>find ur russian wife today???<br />
indeed<br />
great past lame future<br />
those sites should be banned !</p>
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