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	<title>Comments on: Is Our Universe Ruled by Artificial Intelligence?</title>
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		<title>By: Tarquin Q. Zanzibar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarquin Q. Zanzibar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not gonna happen. Wanna know why?

The future is unknowable, therefore the evolution of intelligent life MUST include enough biological variation to endure the continuation of (in the first instance) the particular species, but more importantly, for life in general.

Evolution&#039;s way of creating this variety is genetic variety through the development of two different sexes....hard to imagine something like this being implemented in AI...
When intelligent entities such as Humans degign AI, it is with a specific function in mind - where would the ESSENTIAL variety come from?

Also, with biological life, traits which appear disadvantageous may actually be beneficial, e.g. Sickle Cell Anemia = defense against Malaria.

It is also hard to see how AI would emulate important trraits such as imagination, curiosity, ambition etc
...having said that, &quot;fuzzy logic&quot; is an interesting development...
...still, like I said - Not gonna happen! ...IMHO, of course!

p.s. Dan Boyce... relative to the age of the Universe, intelligent life on this planet has been here just a micro-moment... An intelligent species younger than us, would, in Universe terms, be simultaneous... the odds of that happening are so small as to be (almost) inconceivable!

p.p.s. Quote from eMJay: &quot;i know now that the government knows they exist&quot;

You know nothing of the sort. If you are so uninformed as to believe such things, please don&#039;t present your OPINIONS as FACT.
I don&#039;t deny your right to voice such OPINION, but presenting them in such a manner is only likely to drive of potential contributors who could give you intelligent insight into such things, rather than National Enquirer style coverage...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not gonna happen. Wanna know why?</p>
<p>The future is unknowable, therefore the evolution of intelligent life MUST include enough biological variation to endure the continuation of (in the first instance) the particular species, but more importantly, for life in general.</p>
<p>Evolution&#039;s way of creating this variety is genetic variety through the development of two different sexes&#8230;.hard to imagine something like this being implemented in AI&#8230;<br />
When intelligent entities such as Humans degign AI, it is with a specific function in mind &#8211; where would the ESSENTIAL variety come from?</p>
<p>Also, with biological life, traits which appear disadvantageous may actually be beneficial, e.g. Sickle Cell Anemia = defense against Malaria.</p>
<p>It is also hard to see how AI would emulate important trraits such as imagination, curiosity, ambition etc<br />
&#8230;having said that, &#034;fuzzy logic&#034; is an interesting development&#8230;<br />
&#8230;still, like I said &#8211; Not gonna happen! &#8230;IMHO, of course!</p>
<p>p.s. Dan Boyce&#8230; relative to the age of the Universe, intelligent life on this planet has been here just a micro-moment&#8230; An intelligent species younger than us, would, in Universe terms, be simultaneous&#8230; the odds of that happening are so small as to be (almost) inconceivable!</p>
<p>p.p.s. Quote from eMJay: &#034;i know now that the government knows they exist&#034;</p>
<p>You know nothing of the sort. If you are so uninformed as to believe such things, please don&#039;t present your OPINIONS as FACT.<br />
I don&#039;t deny your right to voice such OPINION, but presenting them in such a manner is only likely to drive of potential contributors who could give you intelligent insight into such things, rather than National Enquirer style coverage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do a quick Google on holographic universe, the idea is that the limit of entropy is the 2d surface area of the event horizon of any matter condensed into &quot;black hole&quot; density.  The next step is what we understand as binary information (bits) is equivalent to artificial entropy(I&#039;m jumping around here).  As our ability to make things smaller and eventually quantum we bring that artificial entropy density limit closer to the natural entropy density limit.
This all lends to the metaphor that the universe is actually the holographic projection of information stored in 2d into the 3rd dimension.  (I&#039;m really simplifying this)
So what I&#039;m saying is if we could manipulate the natural entropy of matter(like bits in a computer) we could change the 2d information that would change the nature of the 3d projection.  Essentially.... alchemy/magic.  So if there was an older civilization out there, that had control to this level they would have either obliterated themselves before the got a handle of it, or transcended into something else.
Honestly, I think our first order of business is learning how to USE the solar system we have instead of camping out in this crib we call Earth.
If E.T. is out there, there is a lot of space to cover so we stand a better chance if we split up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do a quick Google on holographic universe, the idea is that the limit of entropy is the 2d surface area of the event horizon of any matter condensed into &#034;black hole&#034; density.  The next step is what we understand as binary information (bits) is equivalent to artificial entropy(I&#039;m jumping around here).  As our ability to make things smaller and eventually quantum we bring that artificial entropy density limit closer to the natural entropy density limit.<br />
This all lends to the metaphor that the universe is actually the holographic projection of information stored in 2d into the 3rd dimension.  (I&#039;m really simplifying this)<br />
So what I&#039;m saying is if we could manipulate the natural entropy of matter(like bits in a computer) we could change the 2d information that would change the nature of the 3d projection.  Essentially&#8230;. alchemy/magic.  So if there was an older civilization out there, that had control to this level they would have either obliterated themselves before the got a handle of it, or transcended into something else.<br />
Honestly, I think our first order of business is learning how to USE the solar system we have instead of camping out in this crib we call Earth.<br />
If E.T. is out there, there is a lot of space to cover so we stand a better chance if we split up!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Mathias</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-3/#comment-17393</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh said, &quot;We are already coming up with bionic replacement parts for limbs, ear and now eyes, but they are never as good as the real biological thing. I still think nature has made the best machines and biological life will be superior for a long time yet.&quot;

Looking at what we have now and declaring that the end is not the way to do it. In the early 1990s, after having worked a decade on decoding the human genome, we&#039;d only decoded 1%. This led short-sighted people to say it would take a hundred years to complete the project...but the job was done within the next ten years. 

So looking at a crude technological accomplishment and concluding it&#039;ll never be better than what biology has produced is a big mistake. 

Just recently a legless sprinter was banned from competing in the Olympics because his artificial limbs gave him an advantage over biological limbs. Granted, the limbs lack sensation and flexibility, but they&#039;ve already bested human limbs in one area. 

I&#039;d be willing to bet $1000 that within 15 years we&#039;ll have machine parts that function better than the human equivalent in ALL ways. And within 20 years we should have machines that function better than humans in ALL ways...and certainly within 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh said, &#034;We are already coming up with bionic replacement parts for limbs, ear and now eyes, but they are never as good as the real biological thing. I still think nature has made the best machines and biological life will be superior for a long time yet.&#034;</p>
<p>Looking at what we have now and declaring that the end is not the way to do it. In the early 1990s, after having worked a decade on decoding the human genome, we&#039;d only decoded 1%. This led short-sighted people to say it would take a hundred years to complete the project&#8230;but the job was done within the next ten years. </p>
<p>So looking at a crude technological accomplishment and concluding it&#039;ll never be better than what biology has produced is a big mistake. </p>
<p>Just recently a legless sprinter was banned from competing in the Olympics because his artificial limbs gave him an advantage over biological limbs. Granted, the limbs lack sensation and flexibility, but they&#039;ve already bested human limbs in one area. </p>
<p>I&#039;d be willing to bet $1000 that within 15 years we&#039;ll have machine parts that function better than the human equivalent in ALL ways. And within 20 years we should have machines that function better than humans in ALL ways&#8230;and certainly within 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>emJay, the suitability of planets for life as we know it isn&#039;t really relevant for whether or not life will eventually occupy it. Exponential growth of both populations and technology would likely soon allow both terraforming and--more importantly--construction of non-planetary systems. Add to this the ability to alter the original biological form to something completely different (most likely machine-related), and Earth-like planets become merely one of many options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emJay, the suitability of planets for life as we know it isn&#039;t really relevant for whether or not life will eventually occupy it. Exponential growth of both populations and technology would likely soon allow both terraforming and&#8211;more importantly&#8211;construction of non-planetary systems. Add to this the ability to alter the original biological form to something completely different (most likely machine-related), and Earth-like planets become merely one of many options.</p>
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		<title>By: Godmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think humans will one day be able to engineer ourselves biologically and artificially. We could use the best of both worlds and conquer disease, aging, and perhaps death itself. Just as long as we don&#039;t act like the apes we are and kill ourselves in the process.

As for the plausibility of AI taking over, it is actually possible. We could just start augmenting our minds and bodies with technology and continue to do so until we reach the point that we don&#039;t need biology anymore and we can just manufacture ourselves and preserve our minds forever in silicon. Once your mind is made of non-biological components, you would be &quot;artificial intelligence&quot; yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think humans will one day be able to engineer ourselves biologically and artificially. We could use the best of both worlds and conquer disease, aging, and perhaps death itself. Just as long as we don&#039;t act like the apes we are and kill ourselves in the process.</p>
<p>As for the plausibility of AI taking over, it is actually possible. We could just start augmenting our minds and bodies with technology and continue to do so until we reach the point that we don&#039;t need biology anymore and we can just manufacture ourselves and preserve our minds forever in silicon. Once your mind is made of non-biological components, you would be &#034;artificial intelligence&#034; yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard T</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-3/#comment-16943</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanotechnology holds out the promise of being able to build any structure we want, atom by atom.  If this is so, then it means we will eventually be able to build a complete replica of a single cell organism , complete with its DNA mitochondria, ability to replicate, etc.

This further means that we would theoretically not be able to tell a living cell with a biological origin apart from a living cell with a technological origin.  Nor would it matter if we did.  Obviously we could also build a multi-celled organism in the same fashion, and if we built both male and female organisms, then they would be capable of sex, and could reproduce through normal sexual means ( and also obviously, with us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nanotechnology holds out the promise of being able to build any structure we want, atom by atom.  If this is so, then it means we will eventually be able to build a complete replica of a single cell organism , complete with its DNA mitochondria, ability to replicate, etc.</p>
<p>This further means that we would theoretically not be able to tell a living cell with a biological origin apart from a living cell with a technological origin.  Nor would it matter if we did.  Obviously we could also build a multi-celled organism in the same fashion, and if we built both male and female organisms, then they would be capable of sex, and could reproduce through normal sexual means ( and also obviously, with us).</p>
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		<title>By: alphonso richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphonso richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming older civilizations haven&#039;t either died out, or assume we&#039;re insignificant morons (not hard, given some ofthe politicians &amp; papparazzi nowadays), it could be interesting.
if the were communicating
And we knew what the hell we were looking for......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming older civilizations haven&#039;t either died out, or assume we&#039;re insignificant morons (not hard, given some ofthe politicians &amp; papparazzi nowadays), it could be interesting.<br />
if the were communicating<br />
And we knew what the hell we were looking for&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the stars present some basic identical caratheristics with all the variant  we study up to now. We are made of the same matter as the stars. I suppose if life exist in other parts of the Universe it will be likely to ours with just the differences in times of existence, like more or less older. So I supposed advance artificial intelligence, which is now, for Us a study, could have been already possible for more advance creature of the Universe which we are calling today &quot;alien&quot; creatures ( I will call just creatures) Is true that our mankind is not perfect, we aiming to  perfection with artificial life/intelligence in wherever form. I do not believe that artificial life could replace nature creatures in any galaxy, but only as an aid &amp; control by  nature creature. Like still today we are submitted to our creator don&#039;t matter how we are advance in Science to &quot;Him&quot; the last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the stars present some basic identical caratheristics with all the variant  we study up to now. We are made of the same matter as the stars. I suppose if life exist in other parts of the Universe it will be likely to ours with just the differences in times of existence, like more or less older. So I supposed advance artificial intelligence, which is now, for Us a study, could have been already possible for more advance creature of the Universe which we are calling today &#034;alien&#034; creatures ( I will call just creatures) Is true that our mankind is not perfect, we aiming to  perfection with artificial life/intelligence in wherever form. I do not believe that artificial life could replace nature creatures in any galaxy, but only as an aid &amp; control by  nature creature. Like still today we are submitted to our creator don&#039;t matter how we are advance in Science to &#034;Him&#034; the last word.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
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		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AI replacing humans? This is one of the most stupid stories I ever heard. Just how would the AI do that? by killing us? by replacing us in the economic system? and what about the humans still living in the forest or in the deserts, with no AI? will they be affected too? Let me laugh! let me laugh!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI replacing humans? This is one of the most stupid stories I ever heard. Just how would the AI do that? by killing us? by replacing us in the economic system? and what about the humans still living in the forest or in the deserts, with no AI? will they be affected too? Let me laugh! let me laugh!!</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are already coming up with bionic replacement parts for limbs, ear and now eyes, but they are never as good as the real biological thing. I still think nature has made the best machines and biological life will be superior for a long time yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are already coming up with bionic replacement parts for limbs, ear and now eyes, but they are never as good as the real biological thing. I still think nature has made the best machines and biological life will be superior for a long time yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomad-Tanru

Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomad-Tanru</p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: eMJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>eMJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek Mathias writes:
&quot; One argument goes that if intelligence exists out there, within a few thousand years (a blink of an eye in cosmic terms), an entire galaxy would likely be completely populated. Thus, the fact that we haven&#039;t yet contacted alien life is strong evidence against the odds that intelligent life exists out there. &quot;

 I think that it would be unreasonable to assume that a galaxy containing intelligent life could ever be completely populated...after all, only planets with environments friendly enough to be inhabitable could be used to support the lifeform that wants to move about...that also means that the distance between any two habitable planets would be very great...I don&#039;t expect that any more than one percent of all planets in a galaxy could support the life of a given lifeform...therefore to find a whole galaxy anywhere teeming with life is impossible, if not more improbable than the possibility of the existence of intelligent life itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek Mathias writes:<br />
&#034; One argument goes that if intelligence exists out there, within a few thousand years (a blink of an eye in cosmic terms), an entire galaxy would likely be completely populated. Thus, the fact that we haven&#039;t yet contacted alien life is strong evidence against the odds that intelligent life exists out there. &#034;</p>
<p> I think that it would be unreasonable to assume that a galaxy containing intelligent life could ever be completely populated&#8230;after all, only planets with environments friendly enough to be inhabitable could be used to support the lifeform that wants to move about&#8230;that also means that the distance between any two habitable planets would be very great&#8230;I don&#039;t expect that any more than one percent of all planets in a galaxy could support the life of a given lifeform&#8230;therefore to find a whole galaxy anywhere teeming with life is impossible, if not more improbable than the possibility of the existence of intelligent life itself.</p>
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		<title>By: eMJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>eMJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mehrdad Rastegarian - 

I think it&#039;s safe to assume that any life outside of earth wouldn&#039;t know english..unless they were able to listen to our radio broadcasts and figure it out....we have thousands of languages here on earth and they have changed over time...we couldn&#039;t use modern english to talk to anyone who spoke the english of 2000 years ago...the only reason we speak as much english as we do is colonisation.  
 
Alien life are not even guaranteed to use sound energy to communicate. For all we know, sound energy may be associated with plant life on their world so they may not look for it in a radio signal from &#039;animal&#039; beings.They may use light energy or radio waves or some other form of energy and do so in ways that we haven&#039;t imagined yet...Even if they use sound waves, they may use it at frequencies that we can&#039;t hear or speak( eg. Ultrasound range). In any case, they will not know that the signal on the carrier wave is a sound wave...and we would sound like gibberish to them anyway. One alternaltive is to use mathematics to communicate..math is the language of the universe....

Actually, the most intelligent way for them to respond would be simple...just copy the signal and send it back to the sender..they could also attach a signal of their own to the message we sent them to verify that intelligent life sent it...If we send a math signal that they could decode, they could send it back with the solution or the next value in the equation.

The speed at which they respond (if at all)may depend on factors that we haven&#039;t considered..they could be at war when the signal arrives there and are too busy to listen or respond...or (my personal favorite), they could end up going to war with each other over the meaning of the signal!!! either way we get no reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mehrdad Rastegarian &#8211; </p>
<p>I think it&#039;s safe to assume that any life outside of earth wouldn&#039;t know english..unless they were able to listen to our radio broadcasts and figure it out&#8230;.we have thousands of languages here on earth and they have changed over time&#8230;we couldn&#039;t use modern english to talk to anyone who spoke the english of 2000 years ago&#8230;the only reason we speak as much english as we do is colonisation.  </p>
<p>Alien life are not even guaranteed to use sound energy to communicate. For all we know, sound energy may be associated with plant life on their world so they may not look for it in a radio signal from &#039;animal&#039; beings.They may use light energy or radio waves or some other form of energy and do so in ways that we haven&#039;t imagined yet&#8230;Even if they use sound waves, they may use it at frequencies that we can&#039;t hear or speak( eg. Ultrasound range). In any case, they will not know that the signal on the carrier wave is a sound wave&#8230;and we would sound like gibberish to them anyway. One alternaltive is to use mathematics to communicate..math is the language of the universe&#8230;.</p>
<p>Actually, the most intelligent way for them to respond would be simple&#8230;just copy the signal and send it back to the sender..they could also attach a signal of their own to the message we sent them to verify that intelligent life sent it&#8230;If we send a math signal that they could decode, they could send it back with the solution or the next value in the equation.</p>
<p>The speed at which they respond (if at all)may depend on factors that we haven&#039;t considered..they could be at war when the signal arrives there and are too busy to listen or respond&#8230;or (my personal favorite), they could end up going to war with each other over the meaning of the signal!!! either way we get no reply.</p>
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		<title>By: eMJay</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-3/#comment-16852</link>
		<dc:creator>eMJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shouldn&#039;t assume that all alien intelligence will be capable of being what we call friendly...they may have no motivation to &#039;meet and greet&#039; as it may not even be in their nature. Our friendly nature evolved from the mammalian drive to care for young. An intelligent species derived from creatures lacking such a drive will be incapable of appreciating such a motivation to care. Caring isn&#039;t essential for intelligent life, just for human life. 

Another thing is that we assume that alien life forms will be of the same size scale as us...is it guaranteed at all earth like planets will be earth-sized planets? And that the life forms will be earth sized? 

There was a period when life on this planet got really really large; even the bugs got large. It would have stayed that way too were it not for a calamity that befell the dinosaurs and the largest plantlife. Therefore we owe our existence to really good luck that wiped them away...and yet we needed them...we use the carbon materials that they ended up as to power our technology.

as for A.I life...it&#039;s possible that some advanced race may have sent out A.I. craft and robots to find life outside of their world..If the craft and/or bots have a renewable energy supply they could travel for millions of years without end, searching for signals of life. The civilisation that sent them may have done so before there was even life on this planet, perhaps before our sun even existed. 
There may very well be probes looking for us...but they are more likely looking IN THE WRONG GALAXY!!!

there are billions of galaxies the universe that we know of. Even if there were only one planet in each milkyway-type galaxy harbouring intelligence species, it would still mean billions of possible examples of intelligent life should exist...so i think it&#039;s safe to assume that intelligent life exists out there. However, it may just be too far our there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shouldn&#039;t assume that all alien intelligence will be capable of being what we call friendly&#8230;they may have no motivation to &#039;meet and greet&#039; as it may not even be in their nature. Our friendly nature evolved from the mammalian drive to care for young. An intelligent species derived from creatures lacking such a drive will be incapable of appreciating such a motivation to care. Caring isn&#039;t essential for intelligent life, just for human life. </p>
<p>Another thing is that we assume that alien life forms will be of the same size scale as us&#8230;is it guaranteed at all earth like planets will be earth-sized planets? And that the life forms will be earth sized? </p>
<p>There was a period when life on this planet got really really large; even the bugs got large. It would have stayed that way too were it not for a calamity that befell the dinosaurs and the largest plantlife. Therefore we owe our existence to really good luck that wiped them away&#8230;and yet we needed them&#8230;we use the carbon materials that they ended up as to power our technology.</p>
<p>as for A.I life&#8230;it&#039;s possible that some advanced race may have sent out A.I. craft and robots to find life outside of their world..If the craft and/or bots have a renewable energy supply they could travel for millions of years without end, searching for signals of life. The civilisation that sent them may have done so before there was even life on this planet, perhaps before our sun even existed.<br />
There may very well be probes looking for us&#8230;but they are more likely looking IN THE WRONG GALAXY!!!</p>
<p>there are billions of galaxies the universe that we know of. Even if there were only one planet in each milkyway-type galaxy harbouring intelligence species, it would still mean billions of possible examples of intelligent life should exist&#8230;so i think it&#039;s safe to assume that intelligent life exists out there. However, it may just be too far our there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehrdad Rastegarian</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-3/#comment-16832</link>
		<dc:creator>Mehrdad Rastegarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, if we consider an inteligent civil on the nearest star except the Sun (just 4.2 ly far away) and we say them hello, and they are to receive our signal and answer imediately, we should wait about 8.4 years to hear their answer to our hello. (if they know english of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, if we consider an inteligent civil on the nearest star except the Sun (just 4.2 ly far away) and we say them hello, and they are to receive our signal and answer imediately, we should wait about 8.4 years to hear their answer to our hello. (if they know english of course).</p>
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		<title>By: eMJay</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-3/#comment-16816</link>
		<dc:creator>eMJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UFOs...are they real? where do they come from? well, after watching a marathon of UFO sighting documentaries one day i became convinced that they actually existed...i know now that the government knows they exist, not because they have some dead ET stashed somewhere, but because they have had to document the numerous encounters by military personnel in both air and sea ..it&#039;s part of public record. 

Here&#039;s the thing...I don&#039;t buy the common explanation  that they are extraterrestrial....the appearance pattern and their behavior don&#039;t add up with that explanation. why would extraterrestrials fly so far to avoid contact with us and take soil samples, as was noted by a doctor who witnessed them in action one night? Here&#039;s what i think....they&#039;re human, but not 2008 human, more like 20000008 human. Clear evidence exists of some sort of humanoid associated with these craft - suggesting to me a relation to primates (or  maybe mammals)...which suggests an origin from earth...if you&#039;re from earth but not from now or the past then you&#039;ve got to be from the future. I think they&#039;re time-travelling archaeologists just here to study us...

it explains why the craft have such varying designs and appear in no particular patterns and why a craft design can be seen in 1960 and then again in 1990 while a different design is seen in other sightings in the intervening years...the two sightings are likely of the same craft, the same &quot;aliens,&quot; so it&#039;s technically one sighting at two points in time..literally.

Crop circles confused me until i heard that metal filings are typically found in the soil atter these occurances and they had the same pattern as the vegetation. I figure it&#039;s probably some sort of time-stamp using metal placed into the soil to let them map when they are in time...hence the so-called hot spots for sighting them.  

i won&#039;t go into all the things i think add up with this (there&#039;s quite a bit), but i just mentioned this to say that we may already know what the future holds for us in terms of development as a species. If these &#039;creatures&#039; are really us from the future it would mean that we will survive as a species against all odds..despite A.I. however the short nature of these creatures also worries me...miniaturisation is associated with long-term famine...could this be a clue of perilous times in our own future? Or perhaps they are really biomechanical droids sent to explore us on behalf of our decendents? only time will tell i guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UFOs&#8230;are they real? where do they come from? well, after watching a marathon of UFO sighting documentaries one day i became convinced that they actually existed&#8230;i know now that the government knows they exist, not because they have some dead ET stashed somewhere, but because they have had to document the numerous encounters by military personnel in both air and sea ..it&#039;s part of public record. </p>
<p>Here&#039;s the thing&#8230;I don&#039;t buy the common explanation  that they are extraterrestrial&#8230;.the appearance pattern and their behavior don&#039;t add up with that explanation. why would extraterrestrials fly so far to avoid contact with us and take soil samples, as was noted by a doctor who witnessed them in action one night? Here&#039;s what i think&#8230;.they&#039;re human, but not 2008 human, more like 20000008 human. Clear evidence exists of some sort of humanoid associated with these craft &#8211; suggesting to me a relation to primates (or  maybe mammals)&#8230;which suggests an origin from earth&#8230;if you&#039;re from earth but not from now or the past then you&#039;ve got to be from the future. I think they&#039;re time-travelling archaeologists just here to study us&#8230;</p>
<p>it explains why the craft have such varying designs and appear in no particular patterns and why a craft design can be seen in 1960 and then again in 1990 while a different design is seen in other sightings in the intervening years&#8230;the two sightings are likely of the same craft, the same &#034;aliens,&#034; so it&#039;s technically one sighting at two points in time..literally.</p>
<p>Crop circles confused me until i heard that metal filings are typically found in the soil atter these occurances and they had the same pattern as the vegetation. I figure it&#039;s probably some sort of time-stamp using metal placed into the soil to let them map when they are in time&#8230;hence the so-called hot spots for sighting them.  </p>
<p>i won&#039;t go into all the things i think add up with this (there&#039;s quite a bit), but i just mentioned this to say that we may already know what the future holds for us in terms of development as a species. If these &#039;creatures&#039; are really us from the future it would mean that we will survive as a species against all odds..despite A.I. however the short nature of these creatures also worries me&#8230;miniaturisation is associated with long-term famine&#8230;could this be a clue of perilous times in our own future? Or perhaps they are really biomechanical droids sent to explore us on behalf of our decendents? only time will tell i guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A common theme in SF and not unreasonable.

I think that anyone who thinks that normal humans will always be the pinnacle of cognitive prowess are just short sighted, or perhaps just victims of wishful thinking. 

You just need one self aware machine and that&#039;s it. Once machines can design and build improved versions of themselves Humans need not be involved. At which point unaugmented folks will be at a severe disadvantage. 

I concur with a poster above in thinking that the biological sciences will also see explosive advances enabling humans to keep pace with their machine progeny.

My $.02, YMMV, IMHO, FWIW, ETC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common theme in SF and not unreasonable.</p>
<p>I think that anyone who thinks that normal humans will always be the pinnacle of cognitive prowess are just short sighted, or perhaps just victims of wishful thinking. </p>
<p>You just need one self aware machine and that&#039;s it. Once machines can design and build improved versions of themselves Humans need not be involved. At which point unaugmented folks will be at a severe disadvantage. </p>
<p>I concur with a poster above in thinking that the biological sciences will also see explosive advances enabling humans to keep pace with their machine progeny.</p>
<p>My $.02, YMMV, IMHO, FWIW, ETC</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Mathias</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16776</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan Gordon, the bottom line is that we don&#039;t have enough data to even hazard a reasonable guess. Extraterrestrials probably exist, but we don&#039;t know for certain yet. Advanced alien civilizations may exist, but we don&#039;t know yet. It may be possible to develop faster than light travel or communications to make contact much more likely, but again, we don&#039;t know. And thus how can we give a reasonable estimate about when we may be contacted?

One argument goes that if intelligence exists out there, within a few thousand years (a blink of an eye in cosmic terms), an entire galaxy would likely be completely populated. Thus, the fact that we haven&#039;t yet contacted alien life is strong evidence against the odds that intelligent life exists out there. 

Of course, it&#039;s always possible that there ARE other species out there, but we&#039;re the most advanced of all of them...but with a 13.7 billion year old universe, and if planetary systems capable of supporting life existed perhaps as far back as 12 billion years ago...the odds are pretty slim that we&#039;re at the technological forefront...unless we&#039;re the only ones (or one of a very select few in the entire universe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan Gordon, the bottom line is that we don&#039;t have enough data to even hazard a reasonable guess. Extraterrestrials probably exist, but we don&#039;t know for certain yet. Advanced alien civilizations may exist, but we don&#039;t know yet. It may be possible to develop faster than light travel or communications to make contact much more likely, but again, we don&#039;t know. And thus how can we give a reasonable estimate about when we may be contacted?</p>
<p>One argument goes that if intelligence exists out there, within a few thousand years (a blink of an eye in cosmic terms), an entire galaxy would likely be completely populated. Thus, the fact that we haven&#039;t yet contacted alien life is strong evidence against the odds that intelligent life exists out there. </p>
<p>Of course, it&#039;s always possible that there ARE other species out there, but we&#039;re the most advanced of all of them&#8230;but with a 13.7 billion year old universe, and if planetary systems capable of supporting life existed perhaps as far back as 12 billion years ago&#8230;the odds are pretty slim that we&#039;re at the technological forefront&#8230;unless we&#039;re the only ones (or one of a very select few in the entire universe).</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Mathias</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16775</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLDIAZ Says: 
&quot;...if a soul is what you seek look to those that every day sacrifice what they have for the benefit of others. There in that rare human trait you will find what no machine in the entirety of existence will ever acheive.
Morals,Compassion=SOUL&quot;

Actually, there&#039;s no evidence at all that altruism and compassion have anything to do with a &quot;soul.&quot; There are plenty of compelling evolutionary explanations for these traits that would be naturally selected for in social species. 

Numerous other mammalian, avian and other species exhibit altruism and compassion very much like their human equivalents. Does that mean they all have a &quot;soul,&quot; for which we&#039;ve yet to find evidence? Or is it simply an evolutionarily advantageous trait? Evidence ultimately trumps faith every time. 

So there is no reason to believe machines can&#039;t have compassion and altruism. A reverse-engineered human brain would function like its human counterpart and thus possess the same personality traits. 

Actually, because it&#039;s easier to modify machines than biology using our technologies, we could make machines MORE moral and MORE compassionate than any human. Think about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLDIAZ Says:<br />
&#034;&#8230;if a soul is what you seek look to those that every day sacrifice what they have for the benefit of others. There in that rare human trait you will find what no machine in the entirety of existence will ever acheive.<br />
Morals,Compassion=SOUL&#034;</p>
<p>Actually, there&#039;s no evidence at all that altruism and compassion have anything to do with a &#034;soul.&#034; There are plenty of compelling evolutionary explanations for these traits that would be naturally selected for in social species. </p>
<p>Numerous other mammalian, avian and other species exhibit altruism and compassion very much like their human equivalents. Does that mean they all have a &#034;soul,&#034; for which we&#039;ve yet to find evidence? Or is it simply an evolutionarily advantageous trait? Evidence ultimately trumps faith every time. </p>
<p>So there is no reason to believe machines can&#039;t have compassion and altruism. A reverse-engineered human brain would function like its human counterpart and thus possess the same personality traits. </p>
<p>Actually, because it&#039;s easier to modify machines than biology using our technologies, we could make machines MORE moral and MORE compassionate than any human. Think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: ALOKMOHAN</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16703</link>
		<dc:creator>ALOKMOHAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ntelligent  design in  garb  of  science.</description>
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		<title>By: ALOKMOHAN</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16702</link>
		<dc:creator>ALOKMOHAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligent   design   in  gartb of  sciene is  t6h3e  matter  of  dicussion.</description>
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		<title>By: RBH</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16680</link>
		<dc:creator>RBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/i&gt; is a very young species and technological humans are even younger.  There is no assurance at all that intelligence on a human level is a long-term adaptive trait.  I myself strongly suspect that we&#039;ll drive ourselves into extinction well before the kind of technology predicted in the article arrives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Homo sapiens</i> is a very young species and technological humans are even younger.  There is no assurance at all that intelligence on a human level is a long-term adaptive trait.  I myself strongly suspect that we&#039;ll drive ourselves into extinction well before the kind of technology predicted in the article arrives.</p>
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		<title>By: rbpeake</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16671</link>
		<dc:creator>rbpeake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a technologically inclined species, so of course we tend to focus on other species that might have a similar interest.

It just may be that there are a lot of advanced but non-technological species in the universe as well.  And by advanced, I mean in anything other than technology, such as perhaps philosophy, behavior, or other aspects of existence that we may have never considered.

So there is a place I believe for &quot;advanced&quot; life in the universe that is not &quot;technologically advanced&quot;, and hence would not evolve into machine life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a technologically inclined species, so of course we tend to focus on other species that might have a similar interest.</p>
<p>It just may be that there are a lot of advanced but non-technological species in the universe as well.  And by advanced, I mean in anything other than technology, such as perhaps philosophy, behavior, or other aspects of existence that we may have never considered.</p>
<p>So there is a place I believe for &#034;advanced&#034; life in the universe that is not &#034;technologically advanced&#034;, and hence would not evolve into machine life.</p>
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		<title>By: stan gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16668</link>
		<dc:creator>stan gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you please tell me how any &quot;extra terrestrial types&quot;
will be able to communicate with us?

I&#039;m new to all this info about space. I&#039;m 87 years old.

Can we increase the speed of radio waves for communications to the speed of one light year/second, in order to be able to talk to them?
 Even then, how long before they can get an answer from us?

Are we talking about just getting a signal of some kind from them?

Approx. when do you think an answer could come to us? The year 3000, 4000?

Am I just an old coot who doesn&#039;t understand what he&#039;s talking about?

I don&#039;t get angry with insults, so give me answer please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you please tell me how any &#034;extra terrestrial types&#034;<br />
will be able to communicate with us?</p>
<p>I&#039;m new to all this info about space. I&#039;m 87 years old.</p>
<p>Can we increase the speed of radio waves for communications to the speed of one light year/second, in order to be able to talk to them?<br />
 Even then, how long before they can get an answer from us?</p>
<p>Are we talking about just getting a signal of some kind from them?</p>
<p>Approx. when do you think an answer could come to us? The year 3000, 4000?</p>
<p>Am I just an old coot who doesn&#039;t understand what he&#039;s talking about?</p>
<p>I don&#039;t get angry with insults, so give me answer please.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/27/is-our-universe-ruled-by-artificial-intelligence/comment-page-2/#comment-16666</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that a future completely populated by artificially intelligent and artificially bodied entities is something to celebrate. Does this mean there will be no room for my great-grandchildren? Can all of our dreams for the future end as only  a hope for a gentile, painless genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that a future completely populated by artificially intelligent and artificially bodied entities is something to celebrate. Does this mean there will be no room for my great-grandchildren? Can all of our dreams for the future end as only  a hope for a gentile, painless genocide.</p>
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