Comments on: Arctic's Oldest and Thickest Ice is Melting Away http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:15:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Kevin http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-2/#comment-48098 Kevin Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:38:06 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-48098 Western scientists are crazy. I have basically sopped listening to them on everything. There is always a different view of what they say (except on global warming - what a joke). Read this on Global Cooling: http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf Western scientists are crazy. I have basically sopped listening to them on everything. There is always a different view of what they say (except on global warming – what a joke). Read this on Global Cooling:
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

]]> By: Joel B http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-31452 Joel B Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:41:14 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-31452 Question: my son-in-law says that the arctic was free of ice in the early 1920's. I have read or heard of nothing that suggests it has ever been free of ice in human history. Is there any historical data to support his claim? JB Question: my son-in-law says that the arctic was free of ice in the early 1920's. I have read or heard of nothing that suggests it has ever been free of ice in human history.

Is there any historical data to support his claim?

JB

]]> By: Krazikemist http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16080 Krazikemist Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:40:04 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16080 Does anyone else see Heisenberg's uncertanty principle at work here? The satelites are beaming down microwaves (in the article) to measure ice thicknesses. Everyone knows that microwaves melt ice and heat water. The microwaves change the amount of ice as it is measuring it! OF COURSE THE ICE THICKNESS IS CHANGING!!! Does anyone else see Heisenberg's uncertanty principle at work here? The satelites are beaming down microwaves (in the article) to measure ice thicknesses. Everyone knows that microwaves melt ice and heat water. The microwaves change the amount of ice as it is measuring it! OF COURSE THE ICE THICKNESS IS CHANGING!!!

]]> By: Gary http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16065 Gary Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:56:42 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16065 The human factor in global warming is very small to none. CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas when compared to water vapor and we live on a planet 70% covered with water. Global warming does not correlate to increased use on fossil fuels. On the contrary global warming tracks solar activity and no amount of lifestyle change will change the sun. See the article on atmospheric CO2 I reference in my previously input. The human factor in global warming is very small to none.

CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas when compared to water vapor and we live on a planet 70% covered with water.

Global warming does not correlate to increased use on fossil fuels. On the contrary global warming tracks solar activity and no amount of lifestyle change will change the sun. See the article on atmospheric CO2 I reference in my previously input.

]]> By: UkMan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16038 UkMan Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:12:42 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16038 No matter how much we don't want to change our lifestyle - we are causing global warming. Thats a fact. The melting of the polar caps is not a natural event. Some of this ice is a million years old - long enough for polar bears to adapt to live there. The probability that the polar cap melts 150 years after the industrial revolution is statistically highly unlikely. No matter how much we don't want to change our lifestyle – we are causing global warming. Thats a fact.

The melting of the polar caps is not a natural event. Some of this ice is a million years old – long enough for polar bears to adapt to live there.

The probability that the polar cap melts 150 years after the industrial revolution is statistically highly unlikely.

]]> By: Frank Lansner http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16031 Frank Lansner Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:38:46 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16031 Northwest passage open for first time in 2007??? Hoe about 1903, 1904, 1905 (Gjøa/Roald Amundsen) + 1940, 1941,1942 og 1944 (St. Roch).??? Please check that information.. And we came back from that "Point of no return" in no time. Besides, OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE from eyes whitnesses and and states that the Greenland Glasiers where FURTHER BACK just 60 years ago! And we came back from this without anyone noticing a problem. If you read danish (?!) read further down on these 2 pages... : http://www.2waz.com/fg51/klima/indlag/grønland.pdf http://www.2waz.com/fg51/klima/indlag/grønland1.pdf It also states that the fish for warm waters where seen much further north thatn thet are today. In USA: If you only pick the 5 weather stations that are furthest away from urban areas you will see that not only was 1935 the hottest year of the 20´th century but the whole period 1930.50 was warmer than today, matching very fine with the situation in Greenland in that period. Is it a bagatel that glaciers where further back in the 1940´ties??? Anyway the people of Greenlan enjoyed that period!!! Thanks for reading Northwest passage open for first time in 2007???
Hoe about 1903, 1904, 1905 (Gjøa/Roald Amundsen) + 1940, 1941,1942 og 1944 (St. Roch).??? Please check that information..
And we came back from that "Point of no return" in no time.

Besides, OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE from eyes whitnesses and and states that the Greenland Glasiers where FURTHER BACK just 60 years ago! And we came back from this without anyone noticing a problem.

If you read danish (?!) read further down on these 2 pages… :
http://www.2waz.com/fg51/klima/indlag/grønland.pdf
http://www.2waz.com/fg51/klima/indlag/grønland1.pdf

It also states that the fish for warm waters where seen much further north thatn thet are today.

In USA: If you only pick the 5 weather stations that are furthest away from urban areas you will see that not only was 1935 the hottest year of the 20´th century but the whole period 1930.50 was warmer than today, matching very fine with the situation in Greenland in that period.

Is it a bagatel that glaciers where further back in the 1940´ties???

Anyway the people of Greenlan enjoyed that period!!!

Thanks for reading

]]> By: marcellus http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16010 marcellus Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:01:57 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16010 My dear Nicoleta, I would like to volunteer my services as an English tutor. I THINK you may have some interesting ideas. My dear Nicoleta, I would like to volunteer my services as an English tutor. I THINK you may have some interesting ideas.

]]> By: Nicoleta http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16005 Nicoleta Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:43:53 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16005 And about the ice ages before usually happen like an effect of old colisions (Earth with other objects), collision that changed spin of earth.Think that lv that reaches CO2 nowadays never was reached before (:D or almost never cause some say when dinosaures died was cause of an impact that reached in air tones of dust making a cloud that made impossible of sun light came and overheated the Earth) And about the ice ages before usually happen like an effect of old colisions (Earth with other objects), collision that changed spin of earth.Think that lv that reaches CO2 nowadays never was reached before (:D or almost never cause some say when dinosaures died was cause of an impact that reached in air tones of dust making a cloud that made impossible of sun light came and overheated the Earth)

]]> By: Nicoleta http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-16002 Nicoleta Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:37:41 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-16002 In ocean water lives a lot of creatures that trappes CO2.Usually they live in cold water.If tempreture rise most will die.Means more CO2 in atmosphere a cloud of CO2 can stop sun light and cause the over heat effect. Don't treat like a little worm is not so bad think what effect will have on 90% of creatures that live with a certain amount of CO2. In ocean water lives a lot of creatures that trappes CO2.Usually they live in cold water.If tempreture rise most will die.Means more CO2 in atmosphere a cloud of CO2 can stop sun light and cause the over heat effect.
Don't treat like a little worm is not so bad think what effect will have on 90% of creatures that live with a certain amount of CO2.

]]> By: steven mosher http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15996 steven mosher Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:48:03 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15996 hi Kim, Cryosphere hasnt updated in DAYS, I bet we break 14M in the artic. it will be close. hi Kim,

Cryosphere hasnt updated in DAYS, I bet we break 14M in the artic. it will be close.

]]> By: marcellus http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15994 marcellus Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:37:42 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15994 Say "AMEN brother!" to XLBREW. This indeed is a coherent, carefully thought out and civil response to a potentially contentious story. I think the bottom line is that mankind just doesn't have enough data to put forth a long term forecast on "Climate Change". Say "AMEN brother!" to XLBREW. This indeed is a coherent, carefully thought out and civil response to a potentially contentious story.

I think the bottom line is that mankind just doesn't have enough data to put forth a long term forecast on "Climate Change".

]]> By: XLBREW http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15984 XLBREW Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:54:30 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15984 Wow!! That's one of the clearest thinking threads I've ever read concerning a matter like this. Nice job all !!! Wow!! That's one of the clearest thinking threads I've ever read concerning a matter like this. Nice job all !!!

]]> By: Vladimir K. http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15983 Vladimir K. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:57:07 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15983 Do not forget that Greenland was indeed green land 1000 years ago and nothing bad happened. Moreover, it happened Little Ice Age afterward. Do not forget that Greenland was indeed green land 1000 years ago and nothing bad happened. Moreover, it happened Little Ice Age afterward.

]]> By: NeoGuru@aol.com http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15982 NeoGuru@aol.com Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:43:46 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15982 The warming trend's been going on for well over 10,000 years and will continue for a few thousand more. Recall that Canada was covered with ice 10,000 years ago - now it's not. Check on Malankovitch Cycles. Cold snaps do occur, but warming's been good to us so far. The warming trend's been going on for well over 10,000 years and will continue for a few thousand more. Recall that Canada was covered with ice 10,000 years ago – now it's not. Check on Malankovitch Cycles. Cold snaps do occur, but warming's been good to us so far.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15981 Andrew Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:43:45 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15981 To answer a question posed above: global warming should raise sea levels through two processes: melting glaciers, adding to the total amount of water, and warming ocean water, and making virtually any substance warmer increases it's volume. To answer a question posed above: global warming should raise sea levels through two processes: melting glaciers, adding to the total amount of water, and warming ocean water, and making virtually any substance warmer increases it's volume.

]]> By: Gary http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15970 Gary Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:22 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15970 The article makes an unscientific assumption and somewhat misleading statement when it say "At the same time, the area of perennial ice decreased to an all-time minimum." Without written records of past artic ice coverage how does anyone know that the artic ice is at an “all-time minimum”. The article gives the idea that artic ocean has always had the same consistent ice coverage for which we have recoded observations. This is an assumption that cannot be proved scientifically. Kim, interesting point about ocean cooling. The problem with global warning is the both scope of data and the length of observational time. When only the 20th century observations are included there appears to be global warming problem, but when the time frame is extended out that problem negligible. For more incites on issues with global warming read “Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide” at www.oism.org/pproject/review.pdf originally published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The article makes an unscientific assumption and somewhat misleading statement when it say "At the same time, the area of perennial ice decreased to an all-time minimum." Without written records of past artic ice coverage how does anyone know that the artic ice is at an “all-time minimum”. The article gives the idea that artic ocean has always had the same consistent ice coverage for which we have recoded observations. This is an assumption that cannot be proved scientifically.

Kim, interesting point about ocean cooling. The problem with global warning is the both scope of data and the length of observational time. When only the 20th century observations are included there appears to be global warming problem, but when the time frame is extended out that problem negligible.

For more incites on issues with global warming read “Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide” at http://www.oism.org/pproject/review.pdf originally published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

]]> By: Eric http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15956 Eric Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:41:04 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15956 Kim, I saw that NPR article and it left me scratching my head. With what's said in the media and by many scientists, I don't know where to go on the issue. I do believe that there is a change for all kinds of ice to be melting, but something isn't right with what's being reported. Kim, I saw that NPR article and it left me scratching my head. With what's said in the media and by many scientists, I don't know where to go on the issue. I do believe that there is a change for all kinds of ice to be melting, but something isn't right with what's being reported.

]]> By: kim http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15954 kim Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:54:29 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15954 Oh yeah, I know 'NASA says' this and that about old ice. The AO has flipped and wind is variable. And how about that NPR article that shows the atmosphere and the oceans cooling, but explains it with 'We just don't know where the warmth is going'. Yeah, right. Watch Cryosphere Today for the tremendous recovery of northern and southern hemishere sea ice extent. Watch dxlc.com/solar for the quiescent sun. We are cooling, folks. For how long, even I don't know. ========================== Oh yeah, I know 'NASA says' this and that about old ice. The AO has flipped and wind is variable.

And how about that NPR article that shows the atmosphere and the oceans cooling, but explains it with 'We just don't know where the warmth is going'. Yeah, right.

Watch Cryosphere Today for the tremendous recovery of northern and southern hemishere sea ice extent. Watch dxlc.com/solar for the quiescent sun.

We are cooling, folks. For how long, even I don't know.
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]]> By: Nuno http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15944 Nuno Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:10:33 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15944 Allan: a little warming causes violent changes... Global warming doesn't end life on Earth, but will cause plenty of suffering. Furthermore, the melting of the Glaciers (although not this case) will rise ocean water levels afecting a lot of people (humans tend to live near the seas). Nuno Allan: a little warming causes violent changes…
Global warming doesn't end life on Earth, but will cause plenty of suffering.
Furthermore, the melting of the Glaciers (although not this case) will rise ocean water levels afecting a lot of people (humans tend to live near the seas).

Nuno

]]> By: Allan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15936 Allan Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:14:47 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15936 Maybe more glacial and other non sea-ice is melting, but why should the sea levels rise ???? Global warming means just that , and because of a warming trend there must be a greater amount of evaporation which will offset any rise in levels and then fall as rain many thousands of miles distant and in many instances just where it is needed....Who said that a trend towards a warmer planet is a bad thing ?????? Maybe more glacial and other non sea-ice is melting, but why should the sea levels rise ???? Global warming means just that , and because of a warming trend there must be a greater amount of evaporation which will offset any rise in levels and then fall as rain many thousands of miles distant and in many instances just where it is needed….Who said that a trend towards a warmer planet is a bad thing ??????

]]> By: kim http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/comment-page-1/#comment-15930 kim Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:30:18 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/19/arctics-oldest-and-thickest-ice-is-melting-away/#comment-15930 If perennial Arctic sea ice reached a minimum last September, and it's defined by ice older than six years, how was it supposed to increase with this winter's impressive sea ice gains? This looks like old news repackaged as new. What up with that? =============================== If perennial Arctic sea ice reached a minimum last September, and it's defined by ice older than six years, how was it supposed to increase with this winter's impressive sea ice gains?

This looks like old news repackaged as new. What up with that?
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