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	<title>Comments on: Plans for a &quot;Doomsday Ark&quot; on the Moon are in the Works</title>
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		<title>By: Utnapishtim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utnapishtim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris said on May 27th, 2008 at 1:44 am
&quot;You are all so stuck on yourselves it&#039;s nauseating. Every one of you love to hear yourself speak. You think you are so intelligent. First of all Utnapishtim, stop referring to GOD as ET. If you would read your bible you would see that all of this is an incredible and unfortunate waste of time. I truly hope you all find GOD and get saved before it&#039;s too late. There is an eternal burning hell that GOD wants to save you from but most of you are too &quot;SMART&quot; to accept that.&quot;

Yes Chris I imagine that intellectuals would make some envious of their own gaps in life. But that can be fixed by reading and continuing your education. Yes I do like re-reading my stuff sometimes. Sometimes I think it is inspired, but is probably just me.

No Chris GOD is an ET. Look up the phrase ET. It means Exists Above The Earth. How does that not refer to God? Yes the Ark Project is a major waste of time as I hinted at in my posting.

Yes READING the Bible with discernment (as Apostle Paul suggested) you may learn MANY things you never knew before. Like what? Like there is no such thing as an &quot;eternal burning hell&quot; or hellfire. That is just one of MANY organized Christianity (Catholic/Protestant) myths. Hades or Hell is just a common condition of non-existence or death NOT a place of conscious torment. Also the devil temporarily lives right here on Earth with us NOT in Hell; and as Paul said is the god of this system of things.

Fortunately God will soon retire this old system of things with its false misleading god/teacher; and then issue a new system of things. Burroughs and Burke IMHO are two victims of this false god&#039;s demonic &#039;last days&#039; inspirations and teachings.

The introspective question needs to be asked: &quot;Will I be there?&quot; and &quot;What do I need to do NOW to get on the CORRECT path to there?&quot;

BTW God appreciates &quot;SMART&quot; - He gave King Solomon that most cherished gift! Think about it Chris.

Google my moniker/handle to see who Utnapistim was in history. You&#039;ll find it very interesting.

Boargenes AKA Utnapishtim

Boargenes = &quot;Sons of thunder&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris said on May 27th, 2008 at 1:44 am<br />
&#034;You are all so stuck on yourselves it&#039;s nauseating. Every one of you love to hear yourself speak. You think you are so intelligent. First of all Utnapishtim, stop referring to GOD as ET. If you would read your bible you would see that all of this is an incredible and unfortunate waste of time. I truly hope you all find GOD and get saved before it&#039;s too late. There is an eternal burning hell that GOD wants to save you from but most of you are too &#034;SMART&#034; to accept that.&#034;</p>
<p>Yes Chris I imagine that intellectuals would make some envious of their own gaps in life. But that can be fixed by reading and continuing your education. Yes I do like re-reading my stuff sometimes. Sometimes I think it is inspired, but is probably just me.</p>
<p>No Chris GOD is an ET. Look up the phrase ET. It means Exists Above The Earth. How does that not refer to God? Yes the Ark Project is a major waste of time as I hinted at in my posting.</p>
<p>Yes READING the Bible with discernment (as Apostle Paul suggested) you may learn MANY things you never knew before. Like what? Like there is no such thing as an &#034;eternal burning hell&#034; or hellfire. That is just one of MANY organized Christianity (Catholic/Protestant) myths. Hades or Hell is just a common condition of non-existence or death NOT a place of conscious torment. Also the devil temporarily lives right here on Earth with us NOT in Hell; and as Paul said is the god of this system of things.</p>
<p>Fortunately God will soon retire this old system of things with its false misleading god/teacher; and then issue a new system of things. Burroughs and Burke IMHO are two victims of this false god&#039;s demonic &#039;last days&#039; inspirations and teachings.</p>
<p>The introspective question needs to be asked: &#034;Will I be there?&#034; and &#034;What do I need to do NOW to get on the CORRECT path to there?&#034;</p>
<p>BTW God appreciates &#034;SMART&#034; &#8211; He gave King Solomon that most cherished gift! Think about it Chris.</p>
<p>Google my moniker/handle to see who Utnapistim was in history. You&#039;ll find it very interesting.</p>
<p>Boargenes AKA Utnapishtim</p>
<p>Boargenes = &#034;Sons of thunder&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s say this happens good and well. What if though, the asteroid that destroyed us had also taken out the moon before taking us out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#039;s say this happens good and well. What if though, the asteroid that destroyed us had also taken out the moon before taking us out?</p>
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		<title>By: Someguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree. This is lame. How about we stop being lazy fools and try working on saving humanity instead of having a reset button. Lazy bums. It really is disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree. This is lame. How about we stop being lazy fools and try working on saving humanity instead of having a reset button. Lazy bums. It really is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Pidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will we do if the Earth blows up and destroys the moon?</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 08:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all so stuck on yourselves it&#039;s nauseating. Every one of you love to hear yourself speak. You think you are so intelligent. First of all utnapishtim, stop referring to GOD as et. If you would read your bible you would see that all of this is an incredible and unfortunate waste of time. I truly hope you all fing GOD and get saved before it&#039;s too late. There is an eternal burning hell that GOD wants to save you from but most of you are too &quot;SMART&quot; to accept that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all so stuck on yourselves it&#039;s nauseating. Every one of you love to hear yourself speak. You think you are so intelligent. First of all utnapishtim, stop referring to GOD as et. If you would read your bible you would see that all of this is an incredible and unfortunate waste of time. I truly hope you all fing GOD and get saved before it&#039;s too late. There is an eternal burning hell that GOD wants to save you from but most of you are too &#034;SMART&#034; to accept that.</p>
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		<title>By: H2O</title>
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		<dc:creator>H2O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all the wisdom that those in power have attained to this point,  they still refuse the oldest wisdom that has in times past changed the World we live on.

The real point is will the GOD of heaven allow this ?

I do not think GOD will allow this.

I mean sure we may put a survival bank on  the Moon, but, It is not going to work out like the powers that be, here on Earth desire.

Besides all that, The whole idea is less important, than the problems we have right here on Earth.

Lets not start spreading are genetic modified  un-tested and pollutions else where.

Lets instead clean up Earth, and let GOD decide if we deserve to remain. 

You know we have not been the best caretakers of Earth, and all the children. So much killing and suffering, all at the hands of the World ruling class, and their dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all the wisdom that those in power have attained to this point,  they still refuse the oldest wisdom that has in times past changed the World we live on.</p>
<p>The real point is will the GOD of heaven allow this ?</p>
<p>I do not think GOD will allow this.</p>
<p>I mean sure we may put a survival bank on  the Moon, but, It is not going to work out like the powers that be, here on Earth desire.</p>
<p>Besides all that, The whole idea is less important, than the problems we have right here on Earth.</p>
<p>Lets not start spreading are genetic modified  un-tested and pollutions else where.</p>
<p>Lets instead clean up Earth, and let GOD decide if we deserve to remain. </p>
<p>You know we have not been the best caretakers of Earth, and all the children. So much killing and suffering, all at the hands of the World ruling class, and their dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Eschatology. &#187; We&#8217;ll Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eschatology. &#187; We&#8217;ll Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Silver Thread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silver Thread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&quot;The construction of such a &quot;doomsday ark&quot; was presented last month by William Burrough and Jim Burke at a symposium on &quot;Space Solutions to Earth&#039;s Global Challenges&quot;]

Actually the Idea was Presented in the Movie Titan AE in 2000. Life apparently follows Art in this case. The Idea of an Ark is Novel, but it&#039;s akin to building a Minivan when you need a Freight Train. Why settle for building a fall back plan? What is needed is a Self Sustaining Human Colony with a Good Wireless Connection and Up to Date Backups of all of Google&#039;s Servers. 

The Idea of a Global Catastrophe is not conjecture, it is inevitable. If we are to prevent our species from vanishing into the long night of extinction we absolutely must sever the umbilical cord with this planet. 

Humanity is more and more like the 18 Year old child, nearing the end of primary school. It is time to find a job and to start looking for an apartment of our own. We can visit our Parents house any time for dinner, but we need to move on so our siblings have room to grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>["The construction of such a "doomsday ark" was presented last month by William Burrough and Jim Burke at a symposium on "Space Solutions to Earth's Global Challenges"]</p>
<p>Actually the Idea was Presented in the Movie Titan AE in 2000. Life apparently follows Art in this case. The Idea of an Ark is Novel, but it&#039;s akin to building a Minivan when you need a Freight Train. Why settle for building a fall back plan? What is needed is a Self Sustaining Human Colony with a Good Wireless Connection and Up to Date Backups of all of Google&#039;s Servers. </p>
<p>The Idea of a Global Catastrophe is not conjecture, it is inevitable. If we are to prevent our species from vanishing into the long night of extinction we absolutely must sever the umbilical cord with this planet. </p>
<p>Humanity is more and more like the 18 Year old child, nearing the end of primary school. It is time to find a job and to start looking for an apartment of our own. We can visit our Parents house any time for dinner, but we need to move on so our siblings have room to grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the longevity of electronic equipment it sounds like an immense waste of time, effort and money to me. It would be a lot cheaper to set up multiple sites on the Earth and write it on stone- a truely long lasting recording method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the longevity of electronic equipment it sounds like an immense waste of time, effort and money to me. It would be a lot cheaper to set up multiple sites on the Earth and write it on stone- a truely long lasting recording method.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven Guudenbionker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven Guudenbionker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember what the Voyager probes had on them in respect to info about our planet?  Gold records with pretty and fluffy sweet pictures and recordings and ... half realistic stuff about this planet. 
And we assumed they could already play a record with technology we no longer need, use, or want .  We&#039;ve already assumed whomever finds traces of our existence will be technically light years ahead of us.

Would they even bother to spend the time and investigate what they were looking at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what the Voyager probes had on them in respect to info about our planet?  Gold records with pretty and fluffy sweet pictures and recordings and &#8230; half realistic stuff about this planet.<br />
And we assumed they could already play a record with technology we no longer need, use, or want .  We&#039;ve already assumed whomever finds traces of our existence will be technically light years ahead of us.</p>
<p>Would they even bother to spend the time and investigate what they were looking at?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting viewpoint Utnapishtim.  I did have to look up antediluvian in the dictionary though!  One more word for the vocabulary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting viewpoint Utnapishtim.  I did have to look up antediluvian in the dictionary though!  One more word for the vocabulary.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe it would be best to not put the plans for nukes up there,  that way maybe the new earthlings wont make the same mistake that wiped them out to begin with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe it would be best to not put the plans for nukes up there,  that way maybe the new earthlings wont make the same mistake that wiped them out to begin with</p>
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		<title>By: Burzycki.org - Tech and Interesting Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burzycki.org - Tech and Interesting Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Plans for a &#8220;Doomsday Ark&#8221; on the Moon are in the Works    March 13th, 2008 &#124; Category: Astronomy, Contributors    Let&#039;s say something terrible happens to your computer, like it crashes or you drop it. All of those movies you bought online are toast, as is your address book and most of your work. It&#039;s always a good idea to have a backup somewhere else, right? Having a backup of your computer is handy, but having a backup of the entire progress of human civilization is even more practical. If a major catastrophic event like nuclear war or an asteroid strike wipes out most of the humans on the planet, it would be helpful for the survivors to have a record of all the accomplishments we&#039;ve made in the past few thousands of years to help rebuild and repopulate the Earth. (moreâ€¦) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Plans for a &#034;Doomsday Ark&#034; on the Moon are in the Works    March 13th, 2008 | Category: Astronomy, Contributors    Let&#039;s say something terrible happens to your computer, like it crashes or you drop it. All of those movies you bought online are toast, as is your address book and most of your work. It&#039;s always a good idea to have a backup somewhere else, right? Having a backup of your computer is handy, but having a backup of the entire progress of human civilization is even more practical. If a major catastrophic event like nuclear war or an asteroid strike wipes out most of the humans on the planet, it would be helpful for the survivors to have a record of all the accomplishments we&#039;ve made in the past few thousands of years to help rebuild and repopulate the Earth. (moreâ€¦) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal Dunderhead?  I think not.  I stated my comment on the basis of keeping partisan Bull *poop* out of it.  I am not doing the Al Gore style of fear mongering with climate change.  Hell, I thought &quot;An Inconvenient Truth&quot; was a comedy, personally.

Bottom line is this.  I would like to also teach the new civilization about consequences too.  This way we don&#039;t have a new civilization that does very stupid things like adding radioactive material to toothpaste, and such.

No guilt was intended.  So drink your coffee already ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal Dunderhead?  I think not.  I stated my comment on the basis of keeping partisan Bull *poop* out of it.  I am not doing the Al Gore style of fear mongering with climate change.  Hell, I thought &#034;An Inconvenient Truth&#034; was a comedy, personally.</p>
<p>Bottom line is this.  I would like to also teach the new civilization about consequences too.  This way we don&#039;t have a new civilization that does very stupid things like adding radioactive material to toothpaste, and such.</p>
<p>No guilt was intended.  So drink your coffee already <img src='http://www.universetoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh as I sit around my smouldering campfire eating a rat I am sure I will want to backup my PC with files from yesteryear and I will find it easy to get them back FROM THE MOON, oh come on. But wait isnt there a similer thing in greenland? Well cool I will go there. HOHO its every man for himself.

Alternative Three is what an early post was describing...

http://www.thule.org/alt3.html

I just been reading about it.

good luck every one

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh as I sit around my smouldering campfire eating a rat I am sure I will want to backup my PC with files from yesteryear and I will find it easy to get them back FROM THE MOON, oh come on. But wait isnt there a similer thing in greenland? Well cool I will go there. HOHO its every man for himself.</p>
<p>Alternative Three is what an early post was describing&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thule.org/alt3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thule.org/alt3.html</a></p>
<p>I just been reading about it.</p>
<p>good luck every one</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: MAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The retreval of the information would be a simple matter of robotic landers with basic information and possibly seeds and anything else that might be considered useful as it will be cheaper to launch these from the moon so weight shouldn&#039;t be a problem.  We have seen the dooms day devices in the popular media and this sort of feature could be included in the lunar base if a signal from earth is stopped then the system would start looking for active settlements.   Should the system find these it could then send a lander to the area in question.  It would need some sort of voice recognition software and a method of projecting images.

The problem as I see it would be then these &#039;bots would become the &quot;gods&quot; of any society that sprang up even if they had limited AI.  Also the poster that suggested that rogue nations would hit the moon with a nuke that wouldn&#039;t happen you need a high level to tech to build a nuke and the delivery system.  It is much cheaper and easier to develop chemical and bio war.  For example the smallpox blankets that were given to the North American natives and the mustard gas from WW1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The retreval of the information would be a simple matter of robotic landers with basic information and possibly seeds and anything else that might be considered useful as it will be cheaper to launch these from the moon so weight shouldn&#039;t be a problem.  We have seen the dooms day devices in the popular media and this sort of feature could be included in the lunar base if a signal from earth is stopped then the system would start looking for active settlements.   Should the system find these it could then send a lander to the area in question.  It would need some sort of voice recognition software and a method of projecting images.</p>
<p>The problem as I see it would be then these &#039;bots would become the &#034;gods&#034; of any society that sprang up even if they had limited AI.  Also the poster that suggested that rogue nations would hit the moon with a nuke that wouldn&#039;t happen you need a high level to tech to build a nuke and the delivery system.  It is much cheaper and easier to develop chemical and bio war.  For example the smallpox blankets that were given to the North American natives and the mustard gas from WW1.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Lunan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Lunan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madhu Thangavelu advanced this idea previously in Appendix Q of &quot;The Moon, Resources, Future Development and Colonization&quot;, by Shrunk, Sharpe, Cooper and Thangavelu  (John Wiley &amp; Praxis, 1999).   Reviewing it for &#039;Space Policy&#039;, I pointed out that the same aim had been intended for the millenial library at Alexandria, but it had been restricted to Islamic texts only in reponse to threats of destruction, just like the last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madhu Thangavelu advanced this idea previously in Appendix Q of &#034;The Moon, Resources, Future Development and Colonization&#034;, by Shrunk, Sharpe, Cooper and Thangavelu  (John Wiley &amp; Praxis, 1999).   Reviewing it for &#039;Space Policy&#039;, I pointed out that the same aim had been intended for the millenial library at Alexandria, but it had been restricted to Islamic texts only in reponse to threats of destruction, just like the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Utnapishtim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utnapishtim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire discussion is very curious to me - if not just basically sad. The author of this arguably ill-fated project uses a Hebrew loan word from the Bible. That word originally used by an ostensibly extraterrestrial (i.e. ET) omnipotent deity-entity who historically brought the first tactical (albeit corrective)  global disaster - due to His FMA (i.e. free moral agent) disobedient antediluvian human subjects and FMA disobedient metaphysical emissaries. Yet allowed an &quot;ark&quot; rescue plan for 8 human FMA survivors. 

These human survivors did historically and in fact repopulated the Earth but did not require any such human-built/designed  &quot;archive&quot; as this ET deity-entity provided real-time technology transfer via His FMA and O-B-E-D-I-E-N-T metaphysical messenger/emissaries. 

It seems to me that if this particular ET entity decides to bring a SECOND doomsday it will be for equally corrective reasons. It stands to reason that He would provide the SAME metaphysical emissary infrastructure He did circa 4,000 years ago in the aforementioned feared future post-apocalyptic period. Yes there&#039;s room on T-H-I-S &quot;ark&quot; for many FMA human survivors here on Earth not up there in space (aka heaven) somewhere!!!

It appears to me that we humans should be putting our loyalty or allegiance to Him rather than to imperfect man-made archives which could plausibly contain many &#039;bad&#039; things; such as: racist, and arguably hidden-agenda-esque books like: &quot;The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.&quot; 

Food for thought: Exactly W-H-O decides who the FAVORED RACES are? Think about who&#039;s metaphoric table you will dine at by the last day? This Divine deity-entity ET or the quintessential slanderer/resistor muse of  William Burrough&#039;s and Jim Burke&#039;s arguably ludicrous and intrinsically flawed concepts of Divinely-initiated-doomsday survival.

(BTW this particular ET would never allow a &#039;doomsday scenario&#039; unless He initiated it. That&#039;s academic / historical my dear Watsons!) 

Boargenes AKA Utnapishtim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire discussion is very curious to me &#8211; if not just basically sad. The author of this arguably ill-fated project uses a Hebrew loan word from the Bible. That word originally used by an ostensibly extraterrestrial (i.e. ET) omnipotent deity-entity who historically brought the first tactical (albeit corrective)  global disaster &#8211; due to His FMA (i.e. free moral agent) disobedient antediluvian human subjects and FMA disobedient metaphysical emissaries. Yet allowed an &#034;ark&#034; rescue plan for 8 human FMA survivors. </p>
<p>These human survivors did historically and in fact repopulated the Earth but did not require any such human-built/designed  &#034;archive&#034; as this ET deity-entity provided real-time technology transfer via His FMA and O-B-E-D-I-E-N-T metaphysical messenger/emissaries. </p>
<p>It seems to me that if this particular ET entity decides to bring a SECOND doomsday it will be for equally corrective reasons. It stands to reason that He would provide the SAME metaphysical emissary infrastructure He did circa 4,000 years ago in the aforementioned feared future post-apocalyptic period. Yes there&#039;s room on T-H-I-S &#034;ark&#034; for many FMA human survivors here on Earth not up there in space (aka heaven) somewhere!!!</p>
<p>It appears to me that we humans should be putting our loyalty or allegiance to Him rather than to imperfect man-made archives which could plausibly contain many &#039;bad&#039; things; such as: racist, and arguably hidden-agenda-esque books like: &#034;The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.&#034; </p>
<p>Food for thought: Exactly W-H-O decides who the FAVORED RACES are? Think about who&#039;s metaphoric table you will dine at by the last day? This Divine deity-entity ET or the quintessential slanderer/resistor muse of  William Burrough&#039;s and Jim Burke&#039;s arguably ludicrous and intrinsically flawed concepts of Divinely-initiated-doomsday survival.</p>
<p>(BTW this particular ET would never allow a &#039;doomsday scenario&#039; unless He initiated it. That&#039;s academic / historical my dear Watsons!) </p>
<p>Boargenes AKA Utnapishtim</p>
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		<title>By: RO</title>
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		<dc:creator>RO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be much cheaper and much more accessable if the data were kept on Earth. We could make and distribute hundreds of arks across the planet for less than what it would cost to place a single copy on the moon. 

As many have already said, if the civilization is so damaged that you need this information you would have to recreate most of it just to be able to get off the planet (and get back) in the first place.

I&#039;m all in favor of going to the moon but this isn&#039;t the reason to do so. Now if we happen to get there taking along a copy of the ark would certainly be a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be much cheaper and much more accessable if the data were kept on Earth. We could make and distribute hundreds of arks across the planet for less than what it would cost to place a single copy on the moon. </p>
<p>As many have already said, if the civilization is so damaged that you need this information you would have to recreate most of it just to be able to get off the planet (and get back) in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#039;m all in favor of going to the moon but this isn&#039;t the reason to do so. Now if we happen to get there taking along a copy of the ark would certainly be a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: marcellus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcellus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a very good idea, a &quot;fail safe&quot; in case anything catastrophic happens. The technology developed to make the ark and the colony to preserve it would benefit those of us on Earth, even if no catastrophe happens.

As for us preserving the means to protect &quot;the slow destruction of our planet&quot;, I think Curtis and the other liberal dunderheads are reaping the benefit of a very comfortable life here on good old Planet Earth. No guilt with my morning coffee, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very good idea, a &#034;fail safe&#034; in case anything catastrophic happens. The technology developed to make the ark and the colony to preserve it would benefit those of us on Earth, even if no catastrophe happens.</p>
<p>As for us preserving the means to protect &#034;the slow destruction of our planet&#034;, I think Curtis and the other liberal dunderheads are reaping the benefit of a very comfortable life here on good old Planet Earth. No guilt with my morning coffee, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we really do wreck the face of the earth. Life will continue. Underground bunkers will persist. I don&#039;t know of anything we have threatened ourselves with that would destroy each and every earthly stronghold. Taking it to the moon is romantic, possibly prophetic...but maybe just a little over the top.
If we are headed so much in the wrong direction (and we usually make it out of most of our scrapes...) then really, who needs an ark to remind us of how foolish we were? And if we&#039;ve really messed up the earth so badly, there probably won&#039;t be any point in trying to salvage what we had. Let&#039;s blast off to that solar system described elsewhere in today&#039;s entries, on a colony ship like that in the movie Titan A.E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we really do wreck the face of the earth. Life will continue. Underground bunkers will persist. I don&#039;t know of anything we have threatened ourselves with that would destroy each and every earthly stronghold. Taking it to the moon is romantic, possibly prophetic&#8230;but maybe just a little over the top.<br />
If we are headed so much in the wrong direction (and we usually make it out of most of our scrapes&#8230;) then really, who needs an ark to remind us of how foolish we were? And if we&#039;ve really messed up the earth so badly, there probably won&#039;t be any point in trying to salvage what we had. Let&#039;s blast off to that solar system described elsewhere in today&#039;s entries, on a colony ship like that in the movie Titan A.E.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at it sort of from an I.T. point of view, I guess there should be a backup of our civilisation (or &#039;ark&#039;) &#039;onsite&#039; (i.e. on the Earth) as well as a backup &#039;offsite&#039; (i.e. on the moon).  The onsite (Earth) ark could be accessed for partial catastrophe&#039;s, while the offsite (Moon) ark could be accessed for total catastrophe&#039;s wiping out civilisation on Earth.
Obviously an offsite backup is only useful if you can get access to it.  So in the case of a total catastrophe wiping out Earth, there would obviously need to be Humans living on the Moon with ready access to the backup.

Another issue, if the Earth is wiped out and becomes totally inhospitable, techniques such as &#039;smelting metal, planting crops and building houses&#039; would be useless, as humans would now need to make the Moon home, and therefore those techniques would need to be properly studied and researched for inclusion in the ark, such that they can be applied in a lunar environment also.

Also some previous comments assume that all of humanity will be wiped out, or those that are left will have no knowledge of the world&#039;s existing state of affairs.  Clearly any surviving adults would be able to take the knowledge from the &#039;ark&#039; and apply it appropriately to rebuilding civilisation, by taking advantage of &#039;green&#039; technology from the start etc etc.

My final point is security.  Any existing space faring nation would pose a huge security risk for the &#039;offsite&#039; ark on the Moon.  For example, if they were capable of wiping out all humans on Earth (by WMD etc) then they could send humans from their nation to the moon to take control of it, then wipe out all remaining humans on Earth.  That nation would then be the only surviving human nation, and would be starting up the next era of humanity, and basically in control of the entire World!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at it sort of from an I.T. point of view, I guess there should be a backup of our civilisation (or &#039;ark&#039;) &#039;onsite&#039; (i.e. on the Earth) as well as a backup &#039;offsite&#039; (i.e. on the moon).  The onsite (Earth) ark could be accessed for partial catastrophe&#039;s, while the offsite (Moon) ark could be accessed for total catastrophe&#039;s wiping out civilisation on Earth.<br />
Obviously an offsite backup is only useful if you can get access to it.  So in the case of a total catastrophe wiping out Earth, there would obviously need to be Humans living on the Moon with ready access to the backup.</p>
<p>Another issue, if the Earth is wiped out and becomes totally inhospitable, techniques such as &#039;smelting metal, planting crops and building houses&#039; would be useless, as humans would now need to make the Moon home, and therefore those techniques would need to be properly studied and researched for inclusion in the ark, such that they can be applied in a lunar environment also.</p>
<p>Also some previous comments assume that all of humanity will be wiped out, or those that are left will have no knowledge of the world&#039;s existing state of affairs.  Clearly any surviving adults would be able to take the knowledge from the &#039;ark&#039; and apply it appropriately to rebuilding civilisation, by taking advantage of &#039;green&#039; technology from the start etc etc.</p>
<p>My final point is security.  Any existing space faring nation would pose a huge security risk for the &#039;offsite&#039; ark on the Moon.  For example, if they were capable of wiping out all humans on Earth (by WMD etc) then they could send humans from their nation to the moon to take control of it, then wipe out all remaining humans on Earth.  That nation would then be the only surviving human nation, and would be starting up the next era of humanity, and basically in control of the entire World!</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the general ideas is more likely to leave a stone mark in the history of evolution.
I a major diisaster occurs, and survivors will be able to get to the moon (or elsewhere) they might use that &quot;ark&quot;.
Surely people that will reach that situation will be more or less able to do aniithing as thay will be probably scientist and big minds of our society.
If case no one will be able to escape, we will leave anyway a record of our civilization that extraterrestrial beings might be able to read and eventually put them at good use to restore (maybe or maybe not) mankind.
The technology we have today was unthinkable decades ago so it&#039;s very likely that another civilization that evolved in a different environment might be able to work something out.
It&#039;s more or less like a job or reverse engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the general ideas is more likely to leave a stone mark in the history of evolution.<br />
I a major diisaster occurs, and survivors will be able to get to the moon (or elsewhere) they might use that &#034;ark&#034;.<br />
Surely people that will reach that situation will be more or less able to do aniithing as thay will be probably scientist and big minds of our society.<br />
If case no one will be able to escape, we will leave anyway a record of our civilization that extraterrestrial beings might be able to read and eventually put them at good use to restore (maybe or maybe not) mankind.<br />
The technology we have today was unthinkable decades ago so it&#039;s very likely that another civilization that evolved in a different environment might be able to work something out.<br />
It&#039;s more or less like a job or reverse engineering.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ciencia Kanija &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Los planes para un â€œArca del Juicio Finalâ€ en la Luna estÃ¡n en marcha</dc:creator>
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