Comments on: The Ultimate Fund-Raising Scheme: Transmit Adverts To Aliens http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:14:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Astroengine.com Roundup and Opinion » astroengine.com http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-17277 Astroengine.com Roundup and Opinion » astroengine.com Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:35:52 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-17277 [...] NASA is going to burn tattoos of corporate sponsors into the surface of Mars. This came from the recent story about the UK’s STFC funding problems and the closure of the Jodrell Bank Telescope. The [...]

[...] NASA is going to burn tattoos of corporate sponsors into the surface of Mars. This came from the recent story about the UK's STFC funding problems and the closure of the Jodrell Bank Telescope. The [...]

]]> By: alphonso richardson http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15477 alphonso richardson Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:33 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15477 Great. I wonder if SETI have to wade through infomercials to find transmissions of intelligence? Find out after this break when we learn which star is the first t obe elimated from 'SETI Idol!!' Great. I wonder if SETI have to wade through infomercials to find transmissions of intelligence?

Find out after this break when we learn which star is the first t obe elimated from 'SETI Idol!!'

]]> By: Sakib http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15194 Sakib Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:13:35 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15194 I think if this idea catches on, then adverts are gonna need to be bigger! How about a guy tapdancing on the Sombrero Galaxy to advertise a hip hop album. I think if this idea catches on, then adverts are gonna need to be bigger! How about a guy tapdancing on the Sombrero Galaxy to advertise a hip hop album.

]]> By: Chuck Lam http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15171 Chuck Lam Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:55:50 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15171 Transmit (42) light years via EISCAT! Are these quys nuts? Who ever dreamed up this fantasy should stop smoking their funny little cigarettes. If they're joking, then OK, it's a good scam.. If they're serious, shame on them. Radio frequency anything regardless of the highest level of power they can manage, directed or undirected, modulated or unmodulated piss' out to virtually nothing after a couple light years of travel. Do the math. Transmit (42) light years via EISCAT! Are these quys nuts? Who ever dreamed up this fantasy should stop smoking their funny little cigarettes. If they're joking, then OK, it's a good scam.. If they're serious, shame on them. Radio frequency anything regardless of the highest level of power they can manage, directed or undirected, modulated or unmodulated piss' out to virtually nothing after a couple light years of travel. Do the math.

]]> By: David Brin http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15170 David Brin Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:35:48 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15170 There are very serious reasons not to do this foolish thing. In fact, many of us are trying to organize an international conference to discuss the issue. Distinction has long been made between SETI - passive listening with radio telescopes - and METI or actively transmitting “Messages to ETI.” Lately, groups around the world have laid plans to transmit powerful, persistent signals, with a goal of dramatically altering the Earth’s radio brightness, hoping to draw notice from civilizations beyond the Solar System. These groups plan to alter our planet’s visibility, suddenly and unilaterally, by orders of magnitude, without prior discussion in open scientific fora. Unexamined assumptions underly these endeavors, e.g. that altruism must be a universal emergent property of high intelligence. Eminent critics of this postulate include Jared Diamond, George Wald, and Freeman Dyson. Even SETI pioneer Carl Sagan came to generally oppose transmitting messages from Earth into space. Despite vast distances and relativistic travel limits, plausible bad outcome scenarios merit open discussion. Lessons from both human and biological history, here on Earth, suggest caution toward “first contact.” As newcomers in a strangely quite cosmos, shall we shout for attention? Or is it wiser to continue quiet listening? This uniquely interdisciplinary symposium will be the most eclectic and inclusive forum, by far, to deliberate the METI issue. For detailed discussions, see: http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2702529.ece http://www.thespacereview.com/article/902/1 and a more vivid take on it: http://lifeboat.com/ex/shouting.at.the.cosmos.small With cordial regards, David Brin http://www.davidbrin.com There are very serious reasons not to do this foolish thing. In fact, many of us are trying to organize an international conference to discuss the issue.

Distinction has long been made between SETI – passive listening with radio telescopes – and METI or actively transmitting “Messages to ETI.” Lately, groups around the world have laid plans to transmit powerful, persistent signals, with a goal of dramatically altering the Earth’s radio brightness, hoping to draw notice from civilizations beyond the Solar System. These groups plan to alter our planet’s visibility, suddenly and unilaterally, by orders of magnitude, without prior discussion in open scientific fora.

Unexamined assumptions underly these endeavors, e.g. that altruism must be a universal emergent property of high intelligence. Eminent critics of this postulate include Jared Diamond, George Wald, and Freeman Dyson. Even SETI pioneer Carl Sagan came to generally oppose transmitting messages from Earth into space.

Despite vast distances and relativistic travel limits, plausible bad outcome scenarios merit open discussion. Lessons from both human and biological history, here on Earth, suggest caution toward “first contact.”

As newcomers in a strangely quite cosmos, shall we shout for attention? Or is it wiser to continue quiet listening? This uniquely interdisciplinary symposium will be the most eclectic and inclusive forum, by far, to deliberate the METI issue.

For detailed discussions, see:
http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2702529.ece
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/902/1

and a more vivid take on it:
http://lifeboat.com/ex/shouting.at.the.cosmos.small

With cordial regards,

David Brin
http://www.davidbrin.com

]]> By: korak 12 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15164 korak 12 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:20 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15164 Hey Bobart - You better hope our descendants don't invent time travel, because if our actions create problems for their era, guess who they are going to come back to and "fix"? Hey Bobart – You better hope our descendants don't invent time travel, because if our actions create problems for their era, guess who they are going to come back to and "fix"?

]]> By: von Dawson's Express http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15148 von Dawson's Express Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:17:40 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15148 Is this what UK Science has been reduced to? Its pathetic. There was a stupid proposel to 'project adverts' on to the moons surface years ago and like all crack pot scheme's ended up in the bin. I have just looked at ESA's press kit for the ATV that is to be launched this weekend. there's a map of Europe showing who spend's what, the UK is missing... I guess this sums up the stupidity of our governments when it comes to science... Is this what UK Science has been reduced to? Its pathetic. There was a stupid proposel to 'project adverts' on to the moons surface years ago and like all crack pot scheme's ended up in the bin. I have just looked at ESA's press kit for the ATV that is to be launched this weekend. there's a map of Europe showing who spend's what, the UK is missing… I guess this sums up the stupidity of our governments when it comes to science…

]]> By: bobart http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15147 bobart Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:16:38 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15147 do what ever makes u feal good by the time they receive the mesage we will long gone. so do your thing. do what ever makes u feal good by the time they receive the mesage we will long gone. so do your thing.

]]> By: Dr. Alexander Zaitsev http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15124 Dr. Alexander Zaitsev Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:38:29 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15124 Again and again I see that it is a good US, UK and others Western traditions to conceal Russian's important contribution to METI: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/e... >The transmission will be invisible to earthlings and is being directed >at a solar system 42 light years away from Earth with planets that >orbit its star '47 Ursae Majoris' (UMa). 47 UMa is located in the >'Ursa Major' Constellation, also known as the Great Bear or Plough. In 2001 and 2003 we already used 47 UMa as a target star: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/IRM.html Again and again I see that it is a good US, UK and others Western
traditions to conceal Russian's important contribution to METI:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/e...

>The transmission will be invisible to earthlings and is being directed
>at a solar system 42 light years away from Earth with planets that
>orbit its star '47 Ursae Majoris' (UMa). 47 UMa is located in the
>'Ursa Major' Constellation, also known as the Great Bear or Plough.

In 2001 and 2003 we already used 47 UMa as a target star:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/IRM.html

]]> By: Yael Dragwyla http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15122 Yael Dragwyla Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:53:20 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15122 All your transmission are belong to us. All your transmission are belong to us.

]]> By: korak 12 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15080 korak 12 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:55:09 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15080 This does make one wonder - if we are already beaming messages into space and now plant to spread our adverts into the Cosmos, has anyone else done this and where is their interstellar junk mail? This does make one wonder – if we are already beaming messages into space and now plant to spread our adverts into the Cosmos, has anyone else done this and where is their interstellar junk mail?

]]> By: John Mendenhall http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15077 John Mendenhall Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:59:09 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15077 You are the lucky 999,999 star to be beamed to! Send your latest technology to us and receive your prize! You are the lucky 999,999 star to be beamed to! Send your latest technology to us and receive your prize!

]]> By: Dark Gnat http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15074 Dark Gnat Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:10:04 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15074 Maybe they haven't contacted us because they think we are annoying. Sooner or later, they are going to get pissed at our interstellar junk mail. Then they will aim their scalar dark-energy weapons at us... Maybe they haven't contacted us because they think we are annoying.

Sooner or later, they are going to get pissed at our interstellar junk mail.

Then they will aim their scalar dark-energy weapons at us…

]]> By: Benjamin Horrendous http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15059 Benjamin Horrendous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:34:00 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15059 Would it be possible, say, to beam ads via laser at the full moon? Think how much nicer it would be if the moon reflected McDonalds golden arches or the coke logo....not! why not beam lights at the underside of clouds? a giant andrex puppy floating over head would brighten up a dull day... Would it be possible, say, to beam ads via laser at the full moon? Think how much nicer it would be if the moon reflected McDonalds golden arches or the coke logo….not!
why not beam lights at the underside of clouds? a giant andrex puppy floating over head would brighten up a dull day…

]]> By: Daily Roundup: Astronomy and Physics in the Arctic is More Popular than You Think » astroengine.com http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-15048 Daily Roundup: Astronomy and Physics in the Arctic is More Popular than You Think » astroengine.com Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:12:28 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/06/the-ultimate-fund-raising-scheme-transmit-adverts-to-aliens/#comment-15048 [...] the EISCAT system right in the middle… UK scientists want to use the EISCAT radar dish to transmit an ad campaign into space. It’s complicated, but it is basically a campaign to raise awareness for the funding crisis [...]

[...] the EISCAT system right in the middle… UK scientists want to use the EISCAT radar dish to transmit an ad campaign into space. It's complicated, but it is basically a campaign to raise awareness for the funding crisis [...]

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