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	<title>Comments on: Synthetic Black Hole Event Horizon Created in UK Laboratory</title>
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		<title>By: How to Get Six Pack Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to Get Six Pack Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The style of writing is quite familiar  . Did you write guest posts for other blogs?</description>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-4/#comment-56429</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If dark matter has a mass then does a black whole suck in this dark matter and if so then will a large black whole ever evaporate?</description>
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		<title>By: reevesAstronomy</title>
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		<dc:creator>reevesAstronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope he gets a Nobel prize before he dies.  He truly deserves it for his great contributions to science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope he gets a Nobel prize before he dies.  He truly deserves it for his great contributions to science.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-4/#comment-46982</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How big does a black hole have to be before it doesn&#039;t disappear?&quot;

Black holes will evaporate no matter what their size.  Large black holes (millions of solar masses) can&#039;t evaporate right now because the cosmic microwave background gets absorbed by them and is enough to sustain their mass.  In the far distant future the cosmic microwave background will be much weaker and won&#039;t be able to sustain the larger black holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;How big does a black hole have to be before it doesn&#039;t disappear?&#034;</p>
<p>Black holes will evaporate no matter what their size.  Large black holes (millions of solar masses) can&#039;t evaporate right now because the cosmic microwave background gets absorbed by them and is enough to sustain their mass.  In the far distant future the cosmic microwave background will be much weaker and won&#039;t be able to sustain the larger black holes.</p>
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		<title>By: flowerchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>flowerchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How big does a black hole have to be before it doesn&#039;t disappear?</description>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You idiots! This could ruin the whole world! great job at killing all of us!</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan McIlvenna</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-26643</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan McIlvenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can create all of this in a program of viruses based on math and fundamentals. A Universe, a million galaxies at the dial of a mouse.   As users of this program we can travel at the speed of whatever we feel. Gravity, magnetism, radiation, atoms, molecules. I can manufacture life that sees itself as real through the program. The animal kingdom and its instinct or the program within a program like I would like to call it could potentially grow like a mirror looking into a mirror for ever. How long could we keep the program running?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can create all of this in a program of viruses based on math and fundamentals. A Universe, a million galaxies at the dial of a mouse.   As users of this program we can travel at the speed of whatever we feel. Gravity, magnetism, radiation, atoms, molecules. I can manufacture life that sees itself as real through the program. The animal kingdom and its instinct or the program within a program like I would like to call it could potentially grow like a mirror looking into a mirror for ever. How long could we keep the program running?</p>
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		<title>By: LHC Worries are Based on Fear of the Unknown, not Science &#187; astroengine.com</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-18048</link>
		<dc:creator>LHC Worries are Based on Fear of the Unknown, not Science &#187; astroengine.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thinking. I hope we discover that Stephen Hawking was right after all, with experimental proof of Hawking Radiation (this would be a Nobel Prize discovery) emitting from micro-black holes. It would also be nice to [...]</description>
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<p>[...] thinking. I hope we discover that Stephen Hawking was right after all, with experimental proof of Hawking Radiation (this would be a Nobel Prize discovery) emitting from micro-black holes. It would also be nice to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How do you Build a Laser with a Black Hole? &#187; astroengine.com</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-16211</link>
		<dc:creator>How do you Build a Laser with a Black Hole? &#187; astroengine.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not yet proven, is probably responsible for the only emission from a black hole. It may even cause the black hole to evaporate. But what if this radiation could be used in the ultimate laser cavity? Some Scottish researchers [...]</description>
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<p>[...] not yet proven, is probably responsible for the only emission from a black hole. It may even cause the black hole to evaporate. But what if this radiation could be used in the ultimate laser cavity? Some Scottish researchers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: davidos</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-14873</link>
		<dc:creator>davidos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, cosmology is in a parlous but interesting state.
90% of mass is missing in galaxies but the &#039;universe&#039; is expanding too rapidly - hence
&#039;dark energy&#039;.
On negative mass, it seems that if a negative mass and a positive mass were in orbit around each other, they would rotate around a centre with nothing in it!. Hmmmm.
Newton shortly before his death remarked -
&#039;I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have only been like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocaen of truth lay all undiscovered before me&#039;.
- oh and by the way hospitals use positrons, ie. anti-electrons, in their PET scanners....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, cosmology is in a parlous but interesting state.<br />
90% of mass is missing in galaxies but the &#039;universe&#039; is expanding too rapidly &#8211; hence<br />
&#039;dark energy&#039;.<br />
On negative mass, it seems that if a negative mass and a positive mass were in orbit around each other, they would rotate around a centre with nothing in it!. Hmmmm.<br />
Newton shortly before his death remarked -<br />
&#039;I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have only been like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocaen of truth lay all undiscovered before me&#039;.<br />
- oh and by the way hospitals use positrons, ie. anti-electrons, in their PET scanners&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-14500</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny wrote:
&quot;The use of the letter i for the square root of minus one is due to i being the first letter of the word imaginary. That is because
â€“before the modern definition of complex numbers as ordered pairs of real numbers with a special multiplication and additionâ€“ people thought that the square root of minus one was an &quot;imaginary&quot; number.&quot;

I used to teach mathematics and I think the square root of -1 is not real ie imaginary!!! In fact, try ordering a set of complex numbers and all you get are contradictions! Real numbers can be ordered and no logical contradictions are created.

If I am not correct, please correct me.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny wrote:<br />
&#034;The use of the letter i for the square root of minus one is due to i being the first letter of the word imaginary. That is because<br />
â€“before the modern definition of complex numbers as ordered pairs of real numbers with a special multiplication and additionâ€“ people thought that the square root of minus one was an &#034;imaginary&#034; number.&#034;</p>
<p>I used to teach mathematics and I think the square root of -1 is not real ie imaginary!!! In fact, try ordering a set of complex numbers and all you get are contradictions! Real numbers can be ordered and no logical contradictions are created.</p>
<p>If I am not correct, please correct me.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mischievous Nature of Primordial Black Holes &#187; astroengine.com</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-13758</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mischievous Nature of Primordial Black Holes &#187; astroengine.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] theorized to radiate energy, they will also lose mass (according to Stephen Hawking&#8217;s theory, Hawking Radiation), small black holes will therefore fizz out of existence very rapidly. In a well known 1975 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] theorized to radiate energy, they will also lose mass (according to Stephen Hawking&#039;s theory, Hawking Radiation), small black holes will therefore fizz out of existence very rapidly. In a well known 1975 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-13691</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about black holes. Like all things black they can be sidelined or marginalized or reduced or starved out of existence by A-Holes that spend hundreds of billion on pathetic experiments to satisfy some craving for fame and to prove that their fantasies are right. 

There are only two holes of any concern. The A-Hole and the Pink Hole.  A-Holes do not get enough Pink Hole and get frustrated and contract, retaining toxic waste. This fogs the brain which becomes delusional and is unable to create an event horizon around the pink hole. The pink hole , now starved of charm retreats into a singularity and devours all that crosses it&#039;s path. A-Holes, in an effort to reduce this ferocious suction, feed the Pink Hole mega tonnes of bullshit to expand the event horizon so they have a better chance of  getting some. The more complicated the bullshit the tastier it is for the pink hole which oozes in appreciation and takes on the new spin and jumps to a brand new energy level. This in turn excited the A-Hole in new and unexplored territory where entire languages are invented to further excite the Pink Hole. 

Now it hasn&#039;t happened yet but one day the event horizon will expand to include the A-Hole in the Pink Hole territory and an explosion only measurable in Schwarzschild/Hawking cumletmefucku units will occur, obliterating all traces of the A-Hole and the Pink Hole, and sadly the poor old black holes. 

Ahhh nature - so unforgiving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about black holes. Like all things black they can be sidelined or marginalized or reduced or starved out of existence by A-Holes that spend hundreds of billion on pathetic experiments to satisfy some craving for fame and to prove that their fantasies are right. </p>
<p>There are only two holes of any concern. The A-Hole and the Pink Hole.  A-Holes do not get enough Pink Hole and get frustrated and contract, retaining toxic waste. This fogs the brain which becomes delusional and is unable to create an event horizon around the pink hole. The pink hole , now starved of charm retreats into a singularity and devours all that crosses it&#039;s path. A-Holes, in an effort to reduce this ferocious suction, feed the Pink Hole mega tonnes of bullshit to expand the event horizon so they have a better chance of  getting some. The more complicated the bullshit the tastier it is for the pink hole which oozes in appreciation and takes on the new spin and jumps to a brand new energy level. This in turn excited the A-Hole in new and unexplored territory where entire languages are invented to further excite the Pink Hole. </p>
<p>Now it hasn&#039;t happened yet but one day the event horizon will expand to include the A-Hole in the Pink Hole territory and an explosion only measurable in Schwarzschild/Hawking cumletmefucku units will occur, obliterating all traces of the A-Hole and the Pink Hole, and sadly the poor old black holes. </p>
<p>Ahhh nature &#8211; so unforgiving!</p>
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		<title>By: Technut News &#187; Synthetic Black Hole Event Horizon Created in UK Laboratory</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-13630</link>
		<dc:creator>Technut News &#187; Synthetic Black Hole Event Horizon Created in UK Laboratory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Synthetic Black Hole Event Horizon Created in UK Laboratory Researchers at St. Andrews University, Scotland, claim to have found a way to simulate an event horizon of a black hole - not through a new cosmic observation technique, and not by a high powered supercomputerâ€¦ but in the laboratory. Using lasers, a length of optical fiber and depending on some bizarre quantum mechanics, a &#8220;singularity&#8221; may be created to alter a laser&#8217;s wavelength, synthesizing the effects of an event horizon. If this experiment can produce an event horizon, the theoretical phenomenon of Hawking Radiation may be tested, perhaps giving Stephen Hawking the best chance yet of winningÂ the Nobel Prize. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Synthetic Black Hole Event Horizon Created in UK Laboratory Researchers at St. Andrews University, Scotland, claim to have found a way to simulate an event horizon of a black hole &#8211; not through a new cosmic observation technique, and not by a high powered supercomputerâ€¦ but in the laboratory. Using lasers, a length of optical fiber and depending on some bizarre quantum mechanics, a &#034;singularity&#034; may be created to alter a laser&#039;s wavelength, synthesizing the effects of an event horizon. If this experiment can produce an event horizon, the theoretical phenomenon of Hawking Radiation may be tested, perhaps giving Stephen Hawking the best chance yet of winningÂ the Nobel Prize. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.B. Altaie, a scientist at Yarmouk University in Jordan, have shown that the created particle of Hawking can only exist in a region below 1.5 times the Schwarzschild radius (in fact within a region that is 4/3 times the Schwarzschild radius), then according to general relativity such particles will eventually fall again into the black hole and none can escape. This may explain the non-existence of Hawking radiation. But the black holes may then inflate. For reference see
Hadronic Journal 26, 779-794, (2003)
also see full text of the paper at 
http://arxiv.org/gr-gc/0105024

Nada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.B. Altaie, a scientist at Yarmouk University in Jordan, have shown that the created particle of Hawking can only exist in a region below 1.5 times the Schwarzschild radius (in fact within a region that is 4/3 times the Schwarzschild radius), then according to general relativity such particles will eventually fall again into the black hole and none can escape. This may explain the non-existence of Hawking radiation. But the black holes may then inflate. For reference see<br />
Hadronic Journal 26, 779-794, (2003)<br />
also see full text of the paper at<br />
<a href="http://arxiv.org/gr-gc/0105024" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/gr-gc/0105024</a></p>
<p>Nada</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-13540</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bill,
Actually, the &quot;black hole jets&quot; are NOT caused by the singularity but by the gravitiational tidal effects. There are many types of jet like phenomena in the universe.

Try this instead:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm

It&#039;s a strong experimental observation that fits black holes and nothing else known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bill,<br />
Actually, the &#034;black hole jets&#034; are NOT caused by the singularity but by the gravitiational tidal effects. There are many types of jet like phenomena in the universe.</p>
<p>Try this instead:<br />
<a href="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm</a></p>
<p>It&#039;s a strong experimental observation that fits black holes and nothing else known.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/synthetic-black-hole-event-horizon-created-in-uk-laboratory/comment-page-3/#comment-13444</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawkins in nothing but a pure waste of oxygen. He is not alone though. Einstein, Newton, Plank et al and there idiotic ideas are not necessary for a full and happy life. There is a theory of everything and I know what is. For all you pathetic arsehole academics out there listen up ok. 

The only all encompassing theory of everything is that there is&#039;nt one. There will never be one ever! - since the theory itself will  disprove that which is not the theory. All of you lazy, useless, pasty, unfit to live on this planet measuring maniac control freaks do something useful or f off and die!! YEAH - especial you Hawkins you fame seeking bullshit artist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkins in nothing but a pure waste of oxygen. He is not alone though. Einstein, Newton, Plank et al and there idiotic ideas are not necessary for a full and happy life. There is a theory of everything and I know what is. For all you pathetic arsehole academics out there listen up ok. </p>
<p>The only all encompassing theory of everything is that there is&#039;nt one. There will never be one ever! &#8211; since the theory itself will  disprove that which is not the theory. All of you lazy, useless, pasty, unfit to live on this planet measuring maniac control freaks do something useful or f off and die!! YEAH &#8211; especial you Hawkins you fame seeking bullshit artist!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far be it to belittle the importance of math.  I will say that all mathematical results do not have physical correspondence.  There is still debate, though many will not countenance it, regarding the existence of black holes.  There are alternate explanations for the high energy phenomena such as &quot;black hole jets&quot;.  Recenty brown dwarves were found to have similar jets, and by their definition there is no singularity (nor a thermonuclear core!), so perhaps the jets need no singularity anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far be it to belittle the importance of math.  I will say that all mathematical results do not have physical correspondence.  There is still debate, though many will not countenance it, regarding the existence of black holes.  There are alternate explanations for the high energy phenomena such as &#034;black hole jets&#034;.  Recenty brown dwarves were found to have similar jets, and by their definition there is no singularity (nor a thermonuclear core!), so perhaps the jets need no singularity anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Ella Kosta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ella Kosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Jose Garcia 

The black hole will not get more massive. These virtual particles are formed from the gravitational energy of the black hole (the energy is transformed in matter). One particle falls into black hole, and one particle escapes, so the black hole will lose gravitational energy, therefore it will lose mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Jose Garcia </p>
<p>The black hole will not get more massive. These virtual particles are formed from the gravitational energy of the black hole (the energy is transformed in matter). One particle falls into black hole, and one particle escapes, so the black hole will lose gravitational energy, therefore it will lose mass.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darran,
You might be referring to a more recent &quot;all seeing eye&quot;--the masonic syncretic one on the dollar bill. But it doesn&#039;t matter.

The use of the letter i for the square root of minus one is due to i being the first letter of the word imaginary. That is because
--before the modern definition of complex numbers as ordered pairs of real numbers with a special multiplication and addition-- people thought that the square root of minus one was an &quot;imaginary&quot; number.

It has no other significance in math.

All of this is getting fairly far from a discussion of black hole horizons. So, I think I am done here. 
Sorry for the tangency--but, I was addressing the comments of others in --I hope--a helpful way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darran,<br />
You might be referring to a more recent &#034;all seeing eye&#034;&#8211;the masonic syncretic one on the dollar bill. But it doesn&#039;t matter.</p>
<p>The use of the letter i for the square root of minus one is due to i being the first letter of the word imaginary. That is because<br />
&#8211;before the modern definition of complex numbers as ordered pairs of real numbers with a special multiplication and addition&#8211; people thought that the square root of minus one was an &#034;imaginary&#034; number.</p>
<p>It has no other significance in math.</p>
<p>All of this is getting fairly far from a discussion of black hole horizons. So, I think I am done here.<br />
Sorry for the tangency&#8211;but, I was addressing the comments of others in &#8211;I hope&#8211;a helpful way.</p>
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		<title>By: Handymanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handymanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?</description>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example of my comment on &quot;a proof is a proof&quot;.
Their was a 19th century mathematician named Wronsky,
yes, the same Wronsky as in &quot; the Wronskian&quot;. 
   Wronsky believed many strange things--he was a major figure in the occult ( in fact, the teacher of Elphias Levy!), but 
--all that aside-- the theorm of the Wronsky Determinate ( aka the Wronskian) is correct and useful mathematics taught in 
a first course on differential equations to all engineers, for example.
  A theorem is a theorem, a proof is a proof, and we mathematicians don&#039;t care if the creator of the theorem and proof worshipped invisible unicorns from Mars. 
  The proof stands on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example of my comment on &#034;a proof is a proof&#034;.<br />
Their was a 19th century mathematician named Wronsky,<br />
yes, the same Wronsky as in &#034; the Wronskian&#034;.<br />
   Wronsky believed many strange things&#8211;he was a major figure in the occult ( in fact, the teacher of Elphias Levy!), but<br />
&#8211;all that aside&#8211; the theorm of the Wronsky Determinate ( aka the Wronskian) is correct and useful mathematics taught in<br />
a first course on differential equations to all engineers, for example.<br />
  A theorem is a theorem, a proof is a proof, and we mathematicians don&#039;t care if the creator of the theorem and proof worshipped invisible unicorns from Mars.<br />
  The proof stands on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to your comment on the hypersphere:

It is true that one of the main interests of occultists in the 19th 
and early 20th century was hyperdimensional geometry. That is why Flatland was written by an abbot, and why the occultist
Hinton (who was also a talented amateur mathematician) wrote a prize winning popular book on synthetic four dimensional geometry. 

However, as a multidimensional geometer (that is: as a
researcher in differential geometry), I can assure you that modern mathematical investigations of hyperdimensional geometry ( such as hyperspheres) has NOTHING to do with the occult. It&#039;s just pure math!

As to the &quot; giant atom&quot; at the center of the galaxy idea--
it is a bit odd---but, of course a neutron star is just a giant atomic nucleus.

Sometimes occult people are laughed at, and we just have to understand that some of their ideas are not totally bizarre
( though many are). For example, I have neodruid friend who is very into &quot;crystals&quot; as a source of power over nature.
I informed her that modern technology is, in fact, largely based on crystals--such as quartz crystal oscillators, synthetic ruby crystal lasers etc.

For a better understanding of gravity ( in the context
of General relativity--which does use four dimensions), a non-mathematician should take a look a &quot;Relativity for the Million&quot; and other popular classics. I cut my teeth on them as a child--shortly after reading Flatland--and just before reading HInton&#039;s &quot; The Fourth Dimension simply Explained&quot;,
which is available from Dover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to your comment on the hypersphere:</p>
<p>It is true that one of the main interests of occultists in the 19th<br />
and early 20th century was hyperdimensional geometry. That is why Flatland was written by an abbot, and why the occultist<br />
Hinton (who was also a talented amateur mathematician) wrote a prize winning popular book on synthetic four dimensional geometry. </p>
<p>However, as a multidimensional geometer (that is: as a<br />
researcher in differential geometry), I can assure you that modern mathematical investigations of hyperdimensional geometry ( such as hyperspheres) has NOTHING to do with the occult. It&#039;s just pure math!</p>
<p>As to the &#034; giant atom&#034; at the center of the galaxy idea&#8211;<br />
it is a bit odd&#8212;but, of course a neutron star is just a giant atomic nucleus.</p>
<p>Sometimes occult people are laughed at, and we just have to understand that some of their ideas are not totally bizarre<br />
( though many are). For example, I have neodruid friend who is very into &#034;crystals&#034; as a source of power over nature.<br />
I informed her that modern technology is, in fact, largely based on crystals&#8211;such as quartz crystal oscillators, synthetic ruby crystal lasers etc.</p>
<p>For a better understanding of gravity ( in the context<br />
of General relativity&#8211;which does use four dimensions), a non-mathematician should take a look a &#034;Relativity for the Million&#034; and other popular classics. I cut my teeth on them as a child&#8211;shortly after reading Flatland&#8211;and just before reading HInton&#039;s &#034; The Fourth Dimension simply Explained&#034;,<br />
which is available from Dover.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Darren,
What we mathematicians call calculus or &quot; the calculus&quot; is not the study of symbols, but the study of certain infinite limit processes.

What you are referring to is the OCCULT study of symbols--so called &quot;sacred math&quot;--which has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with &quot;the calculus&quot;. 

Fractals are in fact used by mathematicians--we call it geometric measure theory, and I have published extensively on it. Fractals are not &quot;Fractions&quot;.

Indeed the ancient Kem ( aka Egyptians) were very intested in what you describe, which is the mathematical
theory of approximation by  continued fractions. It has its uses and is mathematics. The ancient greeks tried to base
 a theory of physics on it--See the classic book &quot;Dynamic Symmetry&quot;, which can be obtained from Dover publications.
But, &quot; the calculus&quot; is a better description of physics--that is 
it predicts better and with less ad hoc assumptions.

 The &quot;all seeing eye&quot; aka the Eye of Horus has nothing to do 
--except poetically to occultists--with the square root of minus one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Darren,<br />
What we mathematicians call calculus or &#034; the calculus&#034; is not the study of symbols, but the study of certain infinite limit processes.</p>
<p>What you are referring to is the OCCULT study of symbols&#8211;so called &#034;sacred math&#034;&#8211;which has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with &#034;the calculus&#034;. </p>
<p>Fractals are in fact used by mathematicians&#8211;we call it geometric measure theory, and I have published extensively on it. Fractals are not &#034;Fractions&#034;.</p>
<p>Indeed the ancient Kem ( aka Egyptians) were very intested in what you describe, which is the mathematical<br />
theory of approximation by  continued fractions. It has its uses and is mathematics. The ancient greeks tried to base<br />
 a theory of physics on it&#8211;See the classic book &#034;Dynamic Symmetry&#034;, which can be obtained from Dover publications.<br />
But, &#034; the calculus&#034; is a better description of physics&#8211;that is<br />
it predicts better and with less ad hoc assumptions.</p>
<p> The &#034;all seeing eye&#034; aka the Eye of Horus has nothing to do<br />
&#8211;except poetically to occultists&#8211;with the square root of minus one.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Darren,
Most of your post makes no sense to me. But, I will reply to:
//Newton was a secret society club president and Leibniz was the royal family geneologist so don&#039;t believe everything they teach in engineering school.//

The point of math is that a mathematical proof is a mathematical proof and is open and accessible for checking to anyone with the intelligence to read it.

It doesn&#039;t matter what the creator of the theorem believed, what secret societies he belonged to, what his job was. All that matters is right on the page--in the proof.

Penny

p.s. Given that, yes Newton was involved in several secret societies----such as the invisible uni, which was a multinational club of scientists that cut across class lines.
It is --irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Darren,<br />
Most of your post makes no sense to me. But, I will reply to:<br />
//Newton was a secret society club president and Leibniz was the royal family geneologist so don&#039;t believe everything they teach in engineering school.//</p>
<p>The point of math is that a mathematical proof is a mathematical proof and is open and accessible for checking to anyone with the intelligence to read it.</p>
<p>It doesn&#039;t matter what the creator of the theorem believed, what secret societies he belonged to, what his job was. All that matters is right on the page&#8211;in the proof.</p>
<p>Penny</p>
<p>p.s. Given that, yes Newton was involved in several secret societies&#8212;-such as the invisible uni, which was a multinational club of scientists that cut across class lines.<br />
It is &#8211;irrelevant.</p>
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