Comments on: Spies Caught Selling Shuttle Secrets to the Chinese http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:25:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chinese spies in the West - Page 2 - World Affairs Board http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-19023 Chinese spies in the West - Page 2 - World Affairs Board Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:34:49 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-19023 [...] with 8 counts of economic espionage, conspiracy, and making false statements to FBI investigators. Spies Caught Selling Shuttle Secrets to the Chinese | Universe Today Want some more so as to scuttle the thread, which is your [...]

[...] with 8 counts of economic espionage, conspiracy, and making false statements to FBI investigators. Spies Caught Selling Shuttle Secrets to the Chinese | Universe Today Want some more so as to scuttle the thread, which is your [...]

]]> By: sarah tan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-16846 sarah tan Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:48:50 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-16846 The view of the US that China as a threat is plainly overreacting. China is too busy with its own domestic problems to do anything threatening US interests. The US is just trying to maintain its position as a democratic superpower, thus is afraid that China would influence US ideology. But if the US is that strong, what does it need to fear? The view of the US that China as a threat is plainly overreacting. China is too busy with its own domestic problems to do anything threatening US interests. The US is just trying to maintain its position as a democratic superpower, thus is afraid that China would influence US ideology. But if the US is that strong, what does it need to fear?

]]> By: Rafael http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-13261 Rafael Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:59:29 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-13261 The sad truth is that all countries maintain and seek out spies around the world - including our own USA. Don't you guys watch the movies? The sad truth is that all countries maintain and seek out spies around the world – including our own USA. Don't you guys watch the movies?

]]> By: Tech Roach http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12838 Tech Roach Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:20:03 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12838 I'm not American but I'm not a big fan of China anyway. Spying is really bad. Chinese aren't smart enough to do anything on their own without a DIY from US ?! I heard India is developing a new kind of space vehicle. They claim it is safer and has some new technologies. I'm not American but I'm not a big fan of China anyway. Spying is really bad. Chinese aren't smart enough to do anything on their own without a DIY from US ?!

I heard India is developing a new kind of space vehicle. They claim it is safer and has some new technologies.

]]> By: JUAN http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12531 JUAN Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:28:59 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12531 WELL MAYBE THE MEXICANS CAN MAKE A SHUTTLE WITH CANS OF TECATE BEER, THATS DANGEROUS FOR U.S.A, AS YOU KNOW WE ARE, AS MEXICANS, VEEERY INTERESTED IN DECLARING WAR TO THE UNITED STATES, THATS A STUPID ISSUE. WELL MAYBE THE MEXICANS CAN MAKE A SHUTTLE WITH CANS OF TECATE BEER, THATS DANGEROUS FOR U.S.A, AS YOU KNOW WE ARE, AS MEXICANS, VEEERY INTERESTED IN DECLARING WAR TO THE UNITED STATES, THATS A STUPID ISSUE.

]]> By: Phan An http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12465 Phan An Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:11:14 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12465 More thing : This world has enough damage from weapons . So , USA , China or others don't need to create them more . More thing : This world has enough damage from weapons . So , USA , China or others don't need to create them more .

]]> By: Phan An http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12441 Phan An Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:14:29 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12441 We , human , live together in a same planet , together make a same world . No one , no country could survice lonely . All your fears are about that China can overcome USA , aren't they ? You are being selfish if you think only the maker have the right to use the product . If you are smart , rich and strong , please help the other who are poor , weak all over the world . About the Chineses , I don't stand by them . If USA made something China wants , the China have to get the permision of USA to use it . But , as we all know that spies are what any country have , and spies's jobs are not allowed in any country , so if someone is captured , we just can consider it unlucky. USA wants to keep the secrets for their military and strenght in space , China want the secrets for the same ones . None of them really wants something good to all the world . But , however , USA don't let those kind of secrets fall in Chineses ' hands again , I especially don't trust them . finally , unfortunately and sadly , most of us want to rule the others with iron , blood and even smart which should be used for helping . We , human , live together in a same planet , together make a same world . No one , no country could survice lonely .
All your fears are about that China can overcome USA , aren't they ? You are being selfish if you think only the maker have the right to use the product . If you are smart , rich and strong , please help the other who are poor , weak all over the world .
About the Chineses , I don't stand by them . If USA made something China wants , the China have to get the permision of USA to use it . But , as we all know that spies are what any country have , and spies's jobs are not allowed in any country , so if someone is captured , we just can consider it unlucky. USA wants to keep the secrets for their military and strenght in space , China want the secrets for the same ones . None of them really wants something good to all the world . But , however , USA don't let those kind of secrets fall in Chineses ' hands again , I especially don't trust them .
finally , unfortunately and sadly , most of us want to rule the others with iron , blood and even smart which should be used for helping .

]]> By: RUF http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12420 RUF Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:39 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12420 Lawrence said: ...their Asat tech is 20 years behind... and our Shuttle tech is from the 1970's. That's 30 years behind. Apparently, this puts them 10 years ahead of us. Lawrence said:
…their Asat tech is 20 years behind…

and our Shuttle tech is from the 1970's. That's 30 years behind. Apparently, this puts them 10 years ahead of us.

]]> By: Alex http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12409 Alex Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:00:41 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12409 Hang em! Hang em!

]]> By: The Scott http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12342 The Scott Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:28:32 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12342 We're doomed. China is going to build a shuttle. And then it will be just a dumb an idea as it was for us, and then their shuttle debris will impact our cities. Maybe that's their plan... I detect alot of cold war fervor in this thread. so, what's the order? Is it Mexicans, Germans, Japanese, Germans, Russians, Chinese? Soon we'll be looking at the Mexicans again... oh wait that's right. I think it's a little late to worry. I think we should have worried back when we found out the chinese were stealing our nuclear secrets. The shuttle tech is not going to help them, except to show them that they shouldn't waste their money on it... That should make us about even then, eh lawrence? We're doomed.

China is going to build a shuttle. And then it will be just a dumb an idea as it was for us, and then their shuttle debris will impact our cities. Maybe that's their plan…

I detect alot of cold war fervor in this thread. so, what's the order? Is it Mexicans, Germans, Japanese, Germans, Russians, Chinese? Soon we'll be looking at the Mexicans again… oh wait that's right.

I think it's a little late to worry. I think we should have worried back when we found out the chinese were stealing our nuclear secrets. The shuttle tech is not going to help them, except to show them that they shouldn't waste their money on it…

That should make us about even then, eh lawrence?

]]> By: Wes Lambert http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12340 Wes Lambert Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:17:17 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12340 According to domestic theory, The US is no.1 in military tech and could do a lot of damage to an asian or middle eastern adversary. The only problem with that concept is numbers. For instance China wants territory, resources and warm bodies to do the dirty work/labor etc. The US could not defeat China if engaged in an all-out war. The time honored rule of warfare for conquest is that technology can take territory. but it takes mass amounts of troops to hold it with copious amounts of reserve forces to hold it against counter-attack. We don't have those kind of numbers. I believe our days at the top of the heap are sorely numbered. Our politics are corrupt, our foreign policies are ridiculous, our country and it's people are going broke while enriching certain industrial interests. Our enemies, and they are many, are watching the good ole' US of A slide slowly into the event horizon of history's version of a stupormassive black hole. We are certainly not unique. Cultures, civlizations and their various governments have been doing this since the first few idiotic hominids decided that living on the ground, walking upright and making tools, was a better idea than sitting in a tree and peeling the occasional banana. According to domestic theory, The US is no.1 in military tech and could do a lot of damage to an asian or middle eastern adversary. The only problem with that concept is numbers. For instance China wants territory, resources and warm bodies to do the dirty work/labor etc.
The US could not defeat China if engaged in an all-out war. The time honored rule of warfare for conquest is that technology can take territory. but it takes mass amounts of troops to hold it with copious amounts of reserve forces to hold it against counter-attack. We don't have those kind of numbers.
I believe our days at the top of the heap are sorely numbered. Our politics are corrupt, our foreign policies are ridiculous, our country and it's people are going broke while enriching certain industrial interests.
Our enemies, and they are many, are watching the good ole' US of A slide slowly into the event horizon of history's version of a stupormassive black hole.
We are certainly not unique. Cultures, civlizations and their various governments have been doing this since the first few idiotic hominids decided that living on the ground, walking upright and making tools, was a better idea than sitting in a tree and peeling the occasional banana.

]]> By: lawrence mccurrach http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12331 lawrence mccurrach Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:04:53 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12331 idd, the chinese are now enthusiastic and clever capitalists. They are still quite a long way behind the US though, weapons tech wise at least. They are slowly catching up in terms conventional weapons like aircraft, but their space tech is lagging quite far behind, their Asat tech is 20 years behind, and once the US get their BMD up it will be very very hard for the chinese to catch up... idd, the chinese are now enthusiastic and clever capitalists. They are still quite a long way behind the US though, weapons tech wise at least. They are slowly catching up in terms conventional weapons like aircraft, but their space tech is lagging quite far behind, their Asat tech is 20 years behind, and once the US get their BMD up it will be very very hard for the chinese to catch up…

]]> By: Johnny Blues http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12326 Johnny Blues Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:02:58 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12326 Embracing Capitalism? I doubt it. They watched the Russians play at Capitalism and saw how readily open the "arms" of the USA widened. But Putin has no finesse. The Chinese have infinite finesse and will milk their "reconstruction" for all its worth. When China has caught up and surpassed the US technologically (they already sell more military weapons than any other country with missles being the backbone of their product line) we will see that China has used Capitalism to further its tyrannical aims. Embracing Capitalism? I doubt it. They watched the Russians play at Capitalism and saw how readily open the "arms" of the USA widened. But Putin has no finesse. The Chinese have infinite finesse and will milk their "reconstruction" for all its worth. When China has caught up and surpassed the US technologically (they already sell more military weapons than any other country with missles being the backbone of their product line) we will see that China has used Capitalism to further its tyrannical aims.

]]> By: Dave http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12274 Dave Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:37:30 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12274 Out with "Cold War" In with the "Fortune Cookie War" The way the "ChiComs" are embracing "capitalism" with the same fervor they did when absorbing Communism. This event would be more on the line of "Industrial spying" that any geo-politcal-miltary intent. Out with "Cold War"
In with the "Fortune Cookie War"
The way the "ChiComs" are embracing "capitalism" with the same fervor they did when absorbing Communism. This event would be more on the line of "Industrial spying" that any geo-politcal-miltary intent.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12267 Nathan Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:47:58 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12267 Alas, you are right. We really need to do something about the chinese. We all have our spying but the chinese are known to be ruthless. And thats just the tip of the iceberg!! Alas, you are right. We really need to do something about the chinese. We all have our spying but the chinese are known to be ruthless. And thats just the tip of the iceberg!!

]]> By: Astrofiend http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12256 Astrofiend Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:46:20 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12256 Hmmm. China is a worry, not just due to this but because of the utter ruthlessness with which the Chinese regime seems to pursue it's goals and interests. And it seems they will eventually achieve their goals, whatever they may be... Hmmm. China is a worry, not just due to this but because of the utter ruthlessness with which the Chinese regime seems to pursue it's goals and interests. And it seems they will eventually achieve their goals, whatever they may be…

]]> By: Vera http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-12234 Vera Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:46:26 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/13/spies-caught-selling-shuttle-secrets-to-the-chinese/#comment-12234 Alas, spies should take care! Esp. you joined the other citizenship... Alas, spies should take care! Esp. you joined the other citizenship…

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