Comments on: Building a Moon Base: Part 2 – Habitat Concepts http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/ Space and astronomy news Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:07:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: b clark http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-2/#comment-43172 b clark Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:08:08 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-43172 It seems to me the tempature verance between the light side of the moon and the dark could be uesd in some way to allow for energy production.what do you think... It seems to me the tempature verance between the light side of the moon and the dark could be uesd in some way to allow for energy production.what do you think…

]]> By: Bill Clinton http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-40731 Bill Clinton Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:14:37 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-40731 giggity giggity goo alright, underground bases is what I always wanted! giggity giggity goo alright, underground bases is what I always wanted!

]]> By: alan newhouse http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-18694 alan newhouse Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:42:15 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-18694 when will the subject of electric power be described? when will the subject of electric power be described?

]]> By: g-man>>>Gary Searles http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-16152 g-man>>>Gary Searles Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:36:52 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-16152 To Jerry, the Okie Now that's somthun, ya'll Okies mak'n fun from us here in L,A! it's a switch aint it? cus ya'll all>........Of course I'm just kidding! ************************************************* I have very high levels of confidence, that the result of "Human Curiosity" we will venture into whatever it takes to allow us to continue investigating "The Infinite Universe!" After all, we have no real truthful and factual evidence that let's us know, where we are and what we are for that matter! All of the ideas above are very interesting concepts! It's quite possible that small parts from each concept will provide....maybe little more than clues, that will direct us to the Answer! As long as we continue to explore. What sickens me is that, at 68 years old, I will be prevented from knowing the answers that will come to be! Even worse, not being able to actually be working in some capacity. ************************************************* I was born too soon! Damn! Respectfully, Gary Searles To Jerry, the Okie
Now that's somthun, ya'll Okies mak'n fun from us here in L,A! it's a switch aint it? cus ya'll all>……..Of course I'm just kidding!

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I have very high levels of confidence, that the result of "Human Curiosity" we will venture into whatever it takes to allow us to continue investigating "The Infinite Universe!" After all, we have no real truthful and factual evidence that let's us know, where we are and what we are for that matter!

All of the ideas above are very interesting concepts! It's quite possible that small parts from each concept will provide….maybe little more than clues, that will direct us to the Answer! As long as we continue to explore.

What sickens me is that, at 68 years old, I will be prevented from knowing the answers that will come to be! Even worse, not being able to actually be working in some capacity.
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I was born too soon! Damn!

Respectfully,
Gary Searles

]]> By: Jerry, Washington OK http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-13820 Jerry, Washington OK Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:18:53 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-13820 To All, I love your comments, but being an Okie I don't understand much of what your saying. However it's facinating to read and much more original that Hollywood. Keep it up. To All, I love your comments, but being an Okie I don't understand much of what your saying. However it's facinating to read and much more original that Hollywood.

Keep it up.

]]> By: Mike Quilty http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-13669 Mike Quilty Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:00:47 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-13669 How about producing building blocks out of compressed or cast regolith. after stacking your blocks to make your structure spray the inside with Rhinoliner or Line-ex type bed liner material. The military is using this to help bomb prof structures in Iraq. The spray on liner both bonds the blocks together it seals in your atmosphere. Add airlocks shipped in from earth or removed from old landers and you have structures that can be built with very little in the way of heavy equipment. It is the adobe village of the 21st century. How about producing building blocks out of compressed or cast regolith. after stacking your blocks to make your structure spray the inside with Rhinoliner or Line-ex type bed liner material. The military is using this to help bomb prof structures in Iraq. The spray on liner both bonds the blocks together it seals in your atmosphere. Add airlocks shipped in from earth or removed from old landers and you have structures that can be built with very little in the way of heavy equipment. It is the adobe village of the 21st century.

]]> By: Universe Today » Building a Base on the Moon: Part 3 - Structural Design http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-13329 Universe Today » Building a Base on the Moon: Part 3 - Structural Design Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:20:07 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-13329 [...] and manmade, associated with a human presence on the lunar surface. In response, we already have some habitat structures in mind - ranging from inflatable structures to underground burrows inside ancient lava vents. Now it is [...]

[...] and manmade, associated with a human presence on the lunar surface. In response, we already have some habitat structures in mind – ranging from inflatable structures to underground burrows inside ancient lava vents. Now it is [...]

]]> By: “Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 - Habitat Concepts” - Out of the Cradle http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-12984 “Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 - Habitat Concepts” - Out of the Cradle Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:09:47 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-12984 [...] Ian “Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 - Habitat Concepts” Universe Today [...]

[...] Ian "Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 – Habitat Concepts" Universe Today [...]

]]> By: Jack Dixon http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-12151 Jack Dixon Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:44:39 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-12151 How about this for temporary habitat? An inflatable dome with self sealing (like aircraft fuel tanks) that, once inflated is covered with reinforcing wire and foamed. The foam may be augmented with local materials. A final covering of regolith would protect against radiation. The best solution for long term habitat would be underground, with excavation by semi autonomous robots. The robots would be needed anyway to gather raw materials for making solar panels and other amenities. It will certainly make things easier if ice is found around the poles. That will also make low cost fuel available for deep space missions (Mars and beyond). Some form of mobile facility would be good for exploration, but only a fixed base will offer practical long term self sufficiency. How about this for temporary habitat? An inflatable dome with self sealing (like aircraft fuel tanks) that, once inflated is covered with reinforcing wire and foamed. The foam may be augmented with local materials. A final covering of regolith would protect against radiation.

The best solution for long term habitat would be underground, with excavation by semi autonomous robots. The robots would be needed anyway to gather raw materials for making solar panels and other amenities. It will certainly make things easier if ice is found around the poles. That will also make low cost fuel available for deep space missions (Mars and beyond).

Some form of mobile facility would be good for exploration, but only a fixed base will offer practical long term self sufficiency.

]]> By: Chris http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-12009 Chris Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:15:33 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-12009 Isn't it possible that there are already sizeable settlements in these lava tubes, that may be hostile. Undetectable in their safe underground homes? Isn't it possible that there are already sizeable settlements in these lava tubes, that may be hostile. Undetectable in their safe underground homes?

]]> By: Homefire http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11982 Homefire Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:26:13 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11982 # Jim Baerg Says: February 11th, 2008 at 9:24 am "BTW I've never be quite sure why 1/5 atm of pure O2 wasn't used. " Jim, Apollo 1, in which astronauts Chafee, Grissom & Young were burned alive in pure Oxegen is the reason. Homefire # Jim Baerg Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 9:24 am

"BTW I've never be quite sure why 1/5 atm of pure O2 wasn't used. "

Jim,

Apollo 1, in which astronauts Chafee, Grissom & Young were burned alive in pure Oxegen is the reason.

Homefire

]]> By: Alex http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11979 Alex Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:46:10 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11979 Yes radiation would be a HUGE concern. Underground would be needed, as would digging I am sorry to say. This amount of work calls for a nuclear power plant, or many RTGs (probably a combination). In many ways Mars would be safer, just so much harder to get there. Yes radiation would be a HUGE concern. Underground would be needed, as would digging I am sorry to say. This amount of work calls for a nuclear power plant, or many RTGs (probably a combination). In many ways Mars would be safer, just so much harder to get there.

]]> By: Jim Baerg http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11976 Jim Baerg Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:24:35 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11976 If you want a base at some place that lava tubes aren't available, how about making a quonsit hut type of structure, burying it under regolith & putting an inflatable inside. Also, wouldn't it be better to use less than 1 atm pressure inside the habitats? IIRC the Apollo project used pure O2 at about 1/3 atm pressure. This would save on importing nitrogen to dilute the oxygen & eliminate problems with the bends in going to lower pressure space suits. BTW I've never be quite sure why 1/5 atm of pure O2 wasn't used. Since the partial pressure of O2 at sea level is 1/5 atm, I would expect that pressure to.suffice. If you want a base at some place that lava tubes aren't available, how about making a quonsit hut type of structure, burying it under regolith & putting an inflatable inside.

Also, wouldn't it be better to use less than 1 atm pressure inside the habitats? IIRC the Apollo project used pure O2 at about 1/3 atm pressure.

This would save on importing nitrogen to dilute the oxygen & eliminate problems with the bends in going to lower pressure space suits.

BTW I've never be quite sure why 1/5 atm of pure O2 wasn't used. Since the partial pressure of O2 at sea level is 1/5 atm, I would expect that pressure to.suffice.

]]> By: Peter K http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11974 Peter K Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:01:42 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11974 Nitrogen Narcosis, Laszlo? Isn't that when your air is under pressure? It isn't as if the Lunauts would be pressurizing and depressurizing, and the only atmosphere they would experience would be at normal earth pressure. And that goes for plant life and any animals as well. With total recycling going on, there would be a use for everything used up there. That would include sewage, which is already used as fertilizer here on terra firma. That would introduce loads of bacteria and organic matter to any soil. Also, a few million introduced worms and bacteria and they'd multiply til the moon cows came home! I agree, inflated rooms covered in regolith and dust sound great. Lava tubes would be amazing but unlikely that they could be found in just the right places. Nitrogen Narcosis, Laszlo?
Isn't that when your air is under pressure? It isn't as if the Lunauts would be pressurizing and depressurizing, and the only atmosphere they would experience would be at normal earth pressure. And that goes for plant life and any animals as well. With total recycling going on, there would be a use for everything used up there. That would include sewage, which is already used as fertilizer here on terra firma. That would introduce loads of bacteria and organic matter to any soil. Also, a few million introduced worms and bacteria and they'd multiply til the moon cows came home!
I agree, inflated rooms covered in regolith and dust sound great. Lava tubes would be amazing but unlikely that they could be found in just the right places.

]]> By: Simon http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11959 Simon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:03:34 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11959 Why not build a Biosphere in orbit first, or Antartica? Why not build a Biosphere in orbit first, or Antartica?

]]> By: Greg http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11917 Greg Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:49:01 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11917 One major disadvantage to an underground settlement is that suitable locations may not be available where you want your activities to take place. Also to find and explore lava tubes will require a ground presence first. There is no reason a colony could not be made self-sufficient and grow its own food. One concern that I have is lunar quakes, engineers will have to be sure to build structures sturdy enough to withstand them when they occur. One major disadvantage to an underground settlement is that suitable locations may not be available where you want your activities to take place. Also to find and explore lava tubes will require a ground presence first. There is no reason a colony could not be made self-sufficient and grow its own food. One concern that I have is lunar quakes, engineers will have to be sure to build structures sturdy enough to withstand them when they occur.

]]> By: alan http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11916 alan Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:30:32 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11916 I agree with A, underground solves a lot of problems. So why not an inflatable base then bury it? I agree with A, underground solves a lot of problems. So why not an inflatable base then bury it?

]]> By: Laszlo http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11812 Laszlo Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:51:25 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11812 Will we depend on earth for food or grow our own biosphere? To build soil requires live humus teeming w microbes. Minerals form the base of our enzyme system. Weathering & microbes free minerals from bedrock several feet beneath soil, that or glaciers. Also mites & insects important for breaking down organic detritus; takes much longer w microbes working alone. No one talks about nitrogen narcosis. Are we confime to pressurized suits? What @ other fauna or flora, could they adapt to expanding gases insides their cells/vacuoles? How many times can we recycle water? Man does not live by cheese alone. Les Will we depend on earth for food or grow our own biosphere? To build soil requires live humus teeming w microbes. Minerals form the base of our enzyme system. Weathering & microbes free minerals from bedrock several feet beneath soil, that or glaciers. Also mites & insects important for breaking down organic detritus; takes much longer w microbes working alone.
No one talks about nitrogen narcosis. Are we confime to pressurized suits? What @ other fauna or flora, could they adapt to expanding gases insides their cells/vacuoles? How many times can we recycle water? Man does not live by cheese alone. Les

]]> By: Ciencia Kanija » Blog Archive » Construir una base en la Luna: Parte 2 – Ideas de hábitat http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11795 Ciencia Kanija » Blog Archive » Construir una base en la Luna: Parte 2 – Ideas de hábitat Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:42:10 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11795 [...] donde quisieran por el paisaje lunar. Autor: Ian O’Neill Fecha Original: 9 de febrero de 2008 Enlace Original Articulos RelacionadosConstruir una base en la Luna: Parte 1 – Retos y peligros Así que queremos [...]

[...] donde quisieran por el paisaje lunar. Autor: Ian O'Neill Fecha Original: 9 de febrero de 2008 Enlace Original Articulos RelacionadosConstruir una base en la Luna: Parte 1 – Retos y peligros Así que queremos [...]

]]> By: Universe Today » Building a Base on the Moon: Part 1 - Challenges and Hazards http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11785 Universe Today » Building a Base on the Moon: Part 1 - Challenges and Hazards Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:01:48 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11785 [...] an eye open for Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 - Habitat Concepts (posted February [...]

[...] an eye open for Building a Base on the Moon: Part 2 – Habitat Concepts (posted February [...]

]]> By: Al http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/comment-page-1/#comment-11782 Al Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:36:36 +0000 http://www.universetoday.com/2008/02/09/building-a-base-on-the-moon-part-2-habitat-concepts/#comment-11782 Why not underground? Protection from radiation, meteorites, solar flares, temperature variations etc etc. Why not? Why not underground?
Protection from radiation, meteorites, solar flares, temperature variations etc etc.
Why not?

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