What was Before the Big Bang? An Identical, Reversed Universe

Current observations indicate that our universe is expanding at an increasing rate. Unless something (we don’t yet understand) stopps this, I’m not quite sure how you get a bounce out of that. Nevertheless I look forward to tea at the restraunt at the end of the universe.

umm…so what existed before the pre-bounce universe? did matter just POP into existence and then beginning counting down and compressing until the post bounce?

If the universe is the result of a big bounce, then where did the pre-bounce universe come from? What caused it to contract?

What came before that? Still another universe that was expanding? That begs the question, what stopped the expansion? Is there some form of a cosmic stopwatch that reverses time every now and then?

It’s an interesting thought experiment, but it can only be added to the pile of other pre-big bang theories, as there is no way to prove any of them. Asking what came before the big bang is like asking what’s north of the north pole, according to Hawking.

This makes me wonder, is this pre-big bang universe simply a mirror image of our own? How would we know the difference?

See what Brian Green has to say in “The Elegant Universe” about quantum geometry, t-duality and the garden hose universe model. String theory gives a result that sounds very similar.

This is like my own pet theory of everything. I’ll have a crack at explaining it here although I’m not sure if I’ll do it justice.

All matter in the universe tends toward accretion. Super clusters of Galaxies are made up of smaller clusters. Galaxies have discs made of stars who’s discs it seems, often turn into planets, some of whom have rings and moons – anyone see a pattern here?

It doesn’t make sense that everything in the universe is clumpy, rather than just being a bunch of individual grains of dust expanding away from each other on divergent paths. Imagine a bag of flour exploding in deep space, flinging it’s grains in all directions faster than the escape velocity for the flour ‘system’. How long would it take before you’d expect the grains of flour to clump together forming even small conglomerations of flour grains? That’s right – NEVER – each grain is on a divergent path, never to meet again. If the universe is really an ‘open’ one it should be composed only of molecules or subatomic particles or pure energy.

So if this clumpy universe of ours really did expand from a singularity, why, that sounds pretty much like a black hole running backwards, doesn’t it? Matter being regurgitated from a singularity. Given the fact that matter in our universe seems to like to clump together, eventually the fate of all matter must eventually be to get sucked back in to a singularity (black hole). What’s left of the earth will surely eventually go down that big ol’ gurgler at the middle of the milky way – and then what? Oops, there goes the Magellanic clouds. And Andromeda got a bit too close – oops there you go! And so on and so forth…

So I’m thinking here that the universe just vacillates back and forth. Singularity in forwards time is just called a black hole, singularity in reverse time is called a big bang. Everything starts with one and ends with the other. Whether you’re traveling ‘forwards’ or ‘backwards’ through time is simply a matter of perspective. Same way a particle in forwards time behaves exactly the same an anti-particle in reverse. It’s all just a matter of perspective.

There are two places we’ll never be able to see, no matter how good our telescopes get – the edge of our universe, and beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

I’m thinking maybe they’re the same thing. Matter falls into the black hole. That matter can no longer see anything of the universe from whence it came because of the event horizon now enclosing it. Relativity predicts an equal and opposite parralell universe inside a black hole with a second singularity with of exact opposite characteristics – a white hole where matter can only escape (in other words a big bang that can only exist with in the confines of the black hole’s event horizon).

If our universe were born from a white hole singularity inside a black hole, it would look essentially the same, as we cannot see beyond the edge of our event horizon. As our black hole / universe absorbs more matter, the event horizon expands, which is analogous to the expansion of the universe itself.

It’s already been theorized that micro black holes could behave exactly like normal atomic particles, as both are simply singularities. Perhaps they are the same thing and our universe is simply a seething mass of singularities of various scales moving in opposite directions on a timeline – one way for matter, the other for antimatter (or normal matter who’s time happens to be running backwards).

This would also explain the rate and direction of time flow as experienced by us – it’s a function of the mass contained within the event horizon of our universe/black hole. The more mass our universe accumulates, the slower time goes and the more the universe seems to accellerate in it’s expansion.

It makes sense to me anyhow. I’m sure someone will shoot me down.

Cheers

-Markus

Great opening Ian,

thanks for pointing to my client’s idea of mirrored universe:
http://www.spacemirrormystery.com/

Keep up speculation Ian. we love you.

Tony, So where did the first matter come from? Exploding Over and Over just prolongs the same question in my humble opinion. Have a little grudge against Christianity?

Interesting research, but as others have said this has as much credence as monkeys partaking in flight from unspeakable areas.

It seems to me that people are mis-using the word theory. Here is the definition:
A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
My question is what observations were made of this “other universe”? This seems more like a hypothesis at best.

For that matter where did anything come from? How did anything start exsisting?

I don´t understand the picture above, is same like a filter, if the big bounce was that, i need to get same more deductive picture to turn possible understand the picture