If ET Calls, Would We Be Told?

by Nancy Atkinson on April 7, 2008

SETI
If a verified message from aliens is ever received, would the public be told about it? SETI — the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence – does have an international protocol that if an alien signal is ever received, it would be disseminated among the astronomical community and made public. And of course, says Mac Tonnies at the SETI Blog, “international cooperation might be necessary in order to distinguish a legitimate alien signal from any number of phenomena capable of generating false alarms.” But what if the signal is more than just extra-terrestrials saying hello? Tonnies believes SETI’s plans for full disclosure only makes sense if the message is fairly benign. If the signal was a notice of impending doom from a black hole, supernova, or alien invasion –something we on Earth had little power to do anything about — Tonnies questions whether governments would choose to make such information public. But could something of this magnitude really be kept under wraps?

Frankly, I hadn’t really considered this scenario. When I think about SETI and the possibility of communication with an alien species, I envision, perhaps naively, what Tonnies calls the “lofty, abstract dialogue immortalized by Carl Sagan.” But of course, we have no idea of what any alien intelligence would like to say to us. If it was bad news, would governments of the world elect to withhold the information from the public?

Intrigued by Tonnies’ blog post, I contacted him to ask that question.

“I think it’s a very real possibility that generally goes unspoken,” said Tonnies, an author, essayist and blogger. “In the event of a bona fide signal, the public may only be made privy to part of it. It depends on the content and context of the message.”

Tonnies questions whether governments would elect to gamble with their respective economies and socio-political agendas for the sake of imparting knowledge that might only cause mayhem.

But wouldn’t governments want the people of the world to know so that intellectual resources could be pooled to try to find a solution to the problem? And what about the concept of an alien message bringing the world together?

“I think uniting the people of the world is the last thing governments want,” said Tonnies. “A rush to counter some cosmic threat is likely to have a war-time character, at least among scientists. And this is assuming that the threat we’re being warned about is something that can be acted upon with the technology available to us. If we happen across a generic warning, there’s no promise we’ll have the savvy to do anything about it given our level of development. If that’s the case, why would we expect prompt disclosure?”

Logically, however, it seems unlikely that aliens would call just to tell us we’re doomed. “It’s pretty foolish to expect aliens to conform to our definition of altruism — although I’m drawn to the idea of a ‘Galactic Emergency Broadcast System,’” said Tonnies. “Maybe ETs feel compelled to give less advanced civilizations a “heads up” in the event on some interstellar crisis because we might make for meaningful companionship a few million years from now.”

Maybe I’ve watched too many movies, but I’m still doubtful that an alien message, whether good news or bad, could be withheld from public knowledge. It would be too big, too transformational, too altering an experience not to be shared.

Original News Source: SETI BLog

  • Jamie KItchen

    Assume they are a few million years more advanced than us. They wouldn’t bother to contact us since they would be capable of simulating us so completely, they would know anything we would be likely to do. In such a case its pointless, like playing tic-tac-toe, you know the outcome before you even start. You can plan through all moves. Humans are very predictable.

    If they wanted someone interesting to talk to, they would have created such a creature themselves, as we may perhaps do and call it the son of man

    I agree. If the past 100 years shows us anything, it is how poor we are at imagining how technology will evolve and how it will affect our development, cultural norms etc.

    Even if the rate of computer development slows by a factor of 4 or 5, we will still have computers hundreds of thousands of times faster than what is curerntly state of the art by the end of this century.

    Bio engineering is just starting and what do we concern ourselves with now?? Aurguments about God, morality etc. In other words, our social and cultueral development lags behind the technology. This is the same screen we use to interpretate what we see. In thousands of years, we will be immortal and have intellectual capabilities many magnitudes greater than we have now along with the greatly advanced way of intereptating what we see as a by product of this development

    Do you think you’re cat ponders what it would be like to have a technology as great as ours?

    Jamie

  • http://www.cplire.ru/html/ra&sr/index.html Alexander Zaitsev

    Five years ago I wrote:

    “…To me, the main goal of our messaging is to bring to extraterrestrials the long-expected message that “You are not alone!”. And if everybody in the Universe would follow this moral goal, than is a hope that someday we shall get a message, too.

    It will not be a reply from our proposed correspondent, but from some other one.”

    http://www.spacedaily.com/news/seti-02b.html

  • Genesis

    Well, um, like any other group of people, there will be good and bad ET, if they exist at all. After all, space and time are infinite… how could we possibly be alone?

    No doubt they are hovering around the world, watching to either help us or take advantage of our mineral and other resources. Just like we do to other countries. Or maybe both.

    And if they can hover around in space (as i’m sure we can – maybe do – as well) then i’m sure there is probably little we can do to stop them.

    Unless we’re kick ass like in Stargate!

  • Luis T

    It’s all fun and games until the Vogons come rolling in…

    Wouldn’t it be something else if our first contact told us that all we had to do was send CW out into space? Here we are sending laser discs, am, fm, shf, uhf, vhf, ehf, etc radio signals and video, microwave and all other types of signal. But have you ever noticed that the majority of the time the Foo Fighters were around when we had to communicate with CW? There is something about those dots and dashes, hmm…

    Anyway, had they (ET’s) wanted to comunicate it would of happened many times in different places in different ways, not just on a CB saying “Breaker, breaker, what’s your handle big buddy?”

    Have we demonstrated the sofistication required for such a meet? Regardless of our society, I believe the first contact will be based on our display of knowledge and nothing else (Mystery Theatre? Ouch).

  • Dave Stump

    The aliens have been here for some time. They work in carnivals upon first arrival. With more experience they are promoted to Cirque du Soleil.

  • Gray Goo Lovechild

    Tailrod: are you a representative of the Flat Earth Society?

    Hypothesis: We are the greatest living organisms in the universe because…

    –Earth is flat. We are special because we’re on it.

    False. Earth isn’t flat.

    –Ok…Earth is round. But Earth is surrounded by 7 layers of crystal which decorate the heavens(Aristotle) for us, because we’re special.

    False. The sky isn’t made of crystal. Those are other stars and a few nearby planets.

    –Ok… earth has to share the universe with other stars and other planets. But they all revolve around earth because earth is special because it has humans on it.

    False. They don’t revolve around earth.

    –Ok… they have their own systems but everything in our system revolves around us (geocentric model). Furthermore, while those systems have their own central planets, all those systems orbit earth his earth is the center of the galaxy.

    False. Earth is orbiting a star involved in its own orbit around the galaxy.

    –Well, dammit, our star is special. It’s the center of the galaxy. It serves us because we’re special.

    False. Our star system is an intergalactic trailer park on the outer third spiral of a 100,000 light year wide galaxy.

    –I don’t see anybody else. If anybody else could contact us, they would. People need to stop assuming other intelligent life is better than us and wake up to the fact that humans are the best of the best of the best.

    In short, Tailrod, you’re a medieval ignoramus. Thank you for attempting to advance humanity.

    Please try again later.

  • Joseph H Guth PhD

    When Aliens Call

    Regarding the subject of whether an alien message received by a governmental research project would be released to the world’s peoples, none in the current SETI blog discussions (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/07/if-et-calls-would-we-be-told/) has addressed the more likely possibility that the message could be one that alerts us to the fact that the aliens themselves are of an aggressive or militant nature or simply looking to conquer new worlds for food sources, additional living space or other needed resources. This has been the most common theme of science fiction since it began over a century ago.

    If a civilization is compelled to develop interstellar space flight, it has an instinct to survive and propagate. If it has those instincts, then it would have developed both defensive and offensive weapons, tools and tactical knowledge just as Man and other life forms on earth have done. Darwinism would be at work anywhere in the universe. If that were the case, we should be holding our right hand out in friendship and reserving our left hand for possible defense with a very big stick. In any case, it has been very imprudent of us to have been broadcasting our presence to the universe over the last 100 or so years through the radio and microwave spectrum without considering and preparing for this possibility. We should be watching any potential alien explorers or conquistadors from a well-concealed location to see what their real intentions are before we attempt to contact them. Only after assurances that they are benign and not bringing any alien infection with them should we actually establish communications and contact with them. Otherwise our world’s civilizations should adopt a stealth defense and be invisible to the rest of the universe.

    It is true that most governments would have more reasons not to share such information with their populations than reasons to actually do “the right thing”. But when have governments ever done the very best for those who live under them? Never. It would be foolish in the extreme if the peoples of the world continued to think that nation identities, national boundaries, national economies, national histories, ethnicities, languages, racial differences, organized religions and other human constructs that keep us divided and at odds and pitted against each other would continue to exist unchanged into the indefinite future. The world is finally crowded enough like an overgrown Petri dish as per Thomas Malthus for globalization to bring down all of these dividers one way or the other. And one of the overriding ideas and needs that most people intrinsically feel is a need to have themselves respected, recognized and their voices heard. That is human nature. That is the underlying psychological reason for the idea of a pure democracy.

    When a group of people come together to live in close cooperation, ground rules must be established. Those ground rules are like Rousseau and Locke’s Social Contract. Each gives up some of their own power of self determination in exchange for a harmonious and just way of working together, enjoying the rewards of joint efforts and balancing their own self-interests against the interests of the greater good. Outlaws and outliers are “culled from the herd” through law enforcement and judicial review. In such a Utopia, all finally gain the maximum benefit of being a part of the greater group’s efforts. Each can specialize in their work and contributions and have access to the same from all others. That is where globalization, education and economic development is directing us to evolve. Wars and mass conflicts will cease once the benefits of peace outweigh the short term gains of continued competition, conflict and conquest. The efforts of the majority would be constructive rather than the historical sad mix of constructive and destructive cycles.

    Population control will be mandated to keep everything in balance with our energy and resource supplies, and with our ability to perform end-product recycling. It will keep Man in balance with his finite living space. But that will only happen if either all of those divisional institutions fall or are cast by the wayside or if a strong enough uniting reason comes from elsewhere. Space is unimaginably immense. Most stars are now thought to have material bodies and planets revolving about them. The laws of probability counsel us to expect that life, and in particular, intelligent life will have sprung up in uncountable numbers of places. The currently developing future-view is that there are limitless numbers of alien races out there and not all of them are friendly. Thus it behooves us to begin working on getting rid of those dividing institutions as quickly as possible to clear the way to our next stage of development, a democratically-run society based on one-world identity, one-world government and one-world economy. National currencies will be replaced by a single world currency that will eliminate the instability of money-changing. Trade between different regions would allow unfettered access to all the world’s different regional needs to be fulfilled. Worldscale projects like freshwater redistribution systems would eliminate droughts, crop failures, and bring industrial development and improved living conditions to the entire planet. We would actually be able for the first time to terraform our own planet with a single development plan. This would teach us how to accomplish that ultimate feat for the time we have to emigrate and colonize new and pristine worlds.

    Knowledge breeds success. Fear and ignorance breeds failure. Education and rational philosophical doctrine are the delivery systems and a peaceful world with the ability to survive, prosper and defend itself from external threats is the prize. It is time we all began to prepare for this eventuality.

  • Emission Nebula

    Dave Ocame,

    I apologize for what I said. When I read this article I had just woke up. And Ive never liked the idea of “radio waves” being the only thing SETI was looking for.

    I hadnt thought it through. Im glad that SETI is using more advanced means, and searching for different things then just radio.

    I guess I said what I said in ignorance of what SETI is actually up to these days.

    I truelly hope SETI finds what its looking for. It would be a great thing indeed.

  • JLP

    Bridventure, we wouldn’t transmit just in English, we transmit in English French German Spanish everything, but they are just standard greetings. What SETI transmits are: prime numbers, mathematical algorithms and …Radio waves. All of which are signs that we are intelligent life.

    We send radio waves because its basic. If we assume that people on other planets are looking for us much in the way we do for them, they are probably looking for radio too… even if their much more advanced.

  • Teabinge

    After a fairly short amount of time, an advanced civilization would ask itself: What if…the others, out there, aren’t nice people?

    And they would develop communication systems that does not result in leakage of “vital” information into space. Maybe they would listen, for instance on us, but not respond.

    That would be the safest thing to do.

    What GOOD would come out of some interstellar communication??

    Even if they would not come to eat us, the impact of such a contact could be rather devastating in a number of ways, foremost psychological-cultural. Our self-esteem would go havoc. We would feel like infantiles and react to that in some contra-productive way.

    How could we ever trust a superior race just because they seem “nice”?? Lots of us would be in grave fear.

    It would be a lot of turmoil and crisis.

    The only probably nice type of contact I can imagine is with a culture that is very much at the same ladder of development as we are, or maybe a bit behind us, in the “1930-1960″ range.

  • William

    While not a government program, SETI operates in the same way. Once set up it is self perpetuating in somuch that that it obsorbs vast amounts of money, and at best is not really expected to show any progress. It does give a lot of work to those who otherwise woul be unemployed with very little prospects of gainful employment elsewhere.

  • ScepticTim

    If we accept the assumption that any civilization having gone through the bottle necks of overpopulation, pollution, and overexploitation of natural resources, would develop and keep the habit of moderation, one can assume that the universe could be filled with very advance star faring civilizations and the reason we don’t see a trace of them is because they are a bunch of immortal tree hugging hippies.

  • marcellus

    The people that think SETI is a waste of time remind me of the Global Warming fanatics. They are just sitting around waiting for the end to come. In effect, they are already dead.

    Get out there. Live your life. If you think global warming is real, plant some trees (a lot of trees) to absorb carbon dioxide. If you think the future is real, look for confirmation of that in the radio spectrum of the skies.

    SETI is NOT a waste of time. Believing in gloom and doom is.

  • Emission Nebula

    “Immortal tree hugging hippies”?

    So theyll live forever hugging trees? lol :)

  • ringo

    Hello, open your eyes.. they hd already contact us,,, have you heard of Crop circles?
    look on youtube for videos..do you think men are actually doing this…?

  • Kevin M.

    If there are more intelligent species, then they already know we are here, and are clearly avoiding contacting us directly, which would only harm us.

    Can encountering someone far less or far more developed than us really be considered “contact”, or just domination or exploitation?

    Someone on our own level would be the only peoples worth “contacting”, and it will then occur to us that they are just more people like ourselves.

    Advancement of any society must involve a long-term development of an “ethics of contact” for handling encounters with less-developed peoples.

    Meanwhile, the reality of scale which we are slowly grasping is that we are too far away from anything to travel or even pick up the rarest of signals. We may soon grasp that space exploration is largely futile and unaffordable,

    If we do pick up a “signal” it will be controversial and take us centuries to decipher, much less respond to.

    Based on our current progress, it seems that we will have to expand very far before we can reasonably expect any meaningful contact. We may well colonize our own corner of the galaxy before that happens.

  • Toolman59

    The political pond life that we are cursed with would be sure to screw it up somehow. If they told me that the Pacific ocean contained saltwater, I would still want a second opinion from an independent source.

  • rpdelgado

    Hello all,

    Where can I download the image above (VLA), in a higher resolution ?

    Thank you all.

    rpdelgado@gmail.com

  • alokmohan

    I hope ETs speak in bengali.

  • Teabinge

    Any sane civilization would HIDE fron potential alien nazis.
    I would not be surspised if some out there are listening to our radio transmissions, judging us to better be unresponded to.

    This greedy, violent, immature race of homo sapiens could possibly in a few centuries or millenia pose a threat to other civilizations (if they exist).

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